I still do not understand the antipathy of BTC hodlers to gold. (Of course, you can see the opposite too, look zerohedge FUD-ers)
We do not have antipathy for gold. It's mostly because of r0ach that we don't want to hear any more about it. In fact, yes, I think I have developed a little antipathy for gold due to this. But I still think its time as a safe asset for store of value is not over yet. And I reckon having some amount in gold would not hurt as it is another perfectly fine hedge asset. |
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La compra de un coche es algo a lo que hacienda tiene acceso. A menos que no lo registres a tu nombre claro. Las ventas, con plusvalía, además hay que declararlas. Y si nada de esto se declara, pasas a tener FIAT... sí, pero es B, luego has cambiado de "activo" pero sin blanquear nada. Además no olvidemos el límite de 3000€ en efectivo. Sí, yo personalmente voy a lo limpio. Una vez tengas el coche, el fiat resultante puede entrar en el banco sin problema, no tiene que ser en efectivo. (y el límite de todas formas no es de 3000 sino inferior) Eso sí, hay muchos otros activos, que pueden llegar a valer mucho más que un coche que sí se pueden comprar sin que estén en un registro.
¿Muchos? ¿Podrías citar 2 o 3, porfa? Puede entrar en el banco sí, pero no está limpio en el sentido de que: A) Si el coche no lo habías registrado a tu nombre, no puedes venderlo "oficialmente" luego el fiat resultante no puedes debes meterlo en el banco ya que no puedes justificar su origen. Está claro que si es poco dinero es casi seguro que nadie se va a dar cuenta. Pero no está "limpio" en el sentido de que no se corresponde con una operación declarada. Da igual si entra mediante transferencia o por ingresos en cash. B) Si el coche sí lo registraste sí puede venderlo oficialmente pero entonces tuviste necesariamente que comprarlo mediante dinero "limpio", osea dinero que ya se declaró en su momento a hacienda, bien sea producto de rendimiento del trabajo, capital, donación, herencia, etc.... Pero no un dinero que aparece de la nada. Esto puede parecer una tontería si pensamos en un coche de segunda mano y de poco valor... entonces claro que nadie se va a dar cuenta (en principio). Pero se supone que hablamos de bastante dinero, así que pongamos como ejemplo un Lambo de 500.000€... ¿A que ahora ya se ve más claro porqué no puedes ni comprar ni vender un Lambo de 500.000€ si oficialmente (de cara a hacienda) nunca tuviste ni de lejos una cifra cercana declarada a esos 500.000€? En el momento que lo pongas a tu nombre van a saltar todas las alarmas en hacienda. Y si no lo pones a tu nombre y lo dejas a nombre del vendedor como parte del acuerdo (esto lo hacen mucho los narcos) no puedes tampoco venderlo posteriormente e ingresar el dinero a tu nombre. En cuanto a otros activos que no llevan registro obligatorio como los coches estaría por ejemplo: - Obras de arte - Metales preciosos - Joyas - Antiguedades - etc.... Pero sólo sirven como refugio de valor, no para blanquear al menos a priori. Es decir, puedes usar un dinero no declarado y cambiarlo por ese otro activo no declarado. Osea, tampoco se está "blanqueando" nada ya que no puedes justificar la compra de cara a una posterior venta. |
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Bleh. Now that I decided to get rid of some more BSV I notice my Bittrex account (where I do "store" a good chunk of it and some other shitcoins... that's how much I care about it) has been disabled and they are requesting me to KYC.
Oh well....
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I like your analysis. Pretty clear and to the point comments. Easy to understand. Congrats!
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Yup, let's call it a daily.
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Has anybody here ever bought BSV?
Please, be honest guys. I could do with a good laugh.
Technically, yes. When I received the BCH I started trying to extract the max I could from it. I traded some for BTC, at different prices, and also started scalping it because it was so volatile. Shitcoins are volatile, yo. Which is great for scalping. When volatility diminished I stopped and just forget about it, till better times. Then it came the Bcash fork, and with it came the BSV and a new wave of good volatility. So again I exchanged some and scalped some other. Again I got bored at the returns and stopped playing. During each of this steps my Bcash/bsv count kept being reduced as I was converting the scalping profits plus some of the principal into BTC. And now comes the third wave I was waiting for... Which I am just now analyzing to decide my next step. Probably more of the same, exchange some, scalp some. The good thing (for me) of trading/scalping shitcoins is that I feel almost completely detached from the underlaying "asset", more so if I got them for "free". So I can be more aggressive than I am with my precious BTC. Anyway... as trading/scalping involves also BUYS (even if at lower prices than the slices being previously sold) then yes. I'm guilty. Have I spent a single cent not coming from itself for any of the buys? Hell no! Are you crazy? For me it's just the "gift" that keeps on giving. |
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...there was also a note attached saying "Hi this is Dave and i'd like to say that CSW is real Satoshi and all of these BTC belong to him and i don't have a claim to any of it so my brother shouldn't even attempt to sue.  https://www.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.flsd.521536/gov.uscourts.flsd.521536.376.0_1.pdfSounds like he took his time to come up with a list of possible Satoshi's public addresses. Hopefully they'll publish it, so internetz could scrutinize them. Don't hold your breath waiting for any proof that he actually has any private keys. He'll drag this out till the end of trial, even then when he looses and ordered to pay, he has about a year to transfer all of his IP under nChain and his assets under his wife, declare bankruptcy and good luck to Kleiman trying to collect on the judgement. He's job is to keep the myth alive as long as possible, without any proof that he has access to private keys The note thing is an invention of you, right? I would inmediately recognise that comment as irony/sarcasm but with that clown you never know whats the next bizarre thing he will come up with  I am wondering something... those high stakes trials are expensive... like a lot... what will happen to kleiman legal costs when CSW claims bankruptcy? |
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/adds LFC to wrench list/
Some in this very thread with many more I guess that's why he said a "list": There are already names on it.  Now I am wondering how many Bitcoins would be needed to just don't fucking care (like at all) about everyone knowing how many you got. Maybe 10000+? A good thing about Bitcoin is that the stash is somehow a schrodinger stash... You might have had a huge stash in the past and none currently or at any given time in the future. Past stash amounts are no guarantee of future ones. |
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No puede justificar gran parte de sus compras, pues la realizó en su momento en canales turbios y exchanges extintos.
Imagino que hacienda es conocedora de esta situación. Supongo que podría declararse como que la compra se hizo a precio cero, pagar un montón de impuestos y rezar para que eso sea lo correcto. Eso puede valer para una persona normal y si la cantidad no es demasiado grande (10BTC no lo son, o al menos no necesariamente, aunque esto es relativo al poder adquisitivo y patrimonio neto oficial de la persona). Pero si eres un "conocido criminal", sin oficio (legal) conocido, sin nada a tu nombre... Absolutamente cualquier ingreso/plusvalía sospechosa será considerada de procedencia ilícita salvo prueba en contrario (sí, con hacienda se invierte la carga de la prueba). |
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Para pasar a fiat una posibilidad es comprar un coche de segunda mano con bitcoin (en España hay opciones) y luego venderlo por fiat. El papeleo del coche es una lata y hay cierto riesgo de perder algo de poder adquisitivo en el juego de precios de compra y venta, pero esta vía te permite cambiar varios miles de euros con un riesgo bastante bajo (ya que operas con una empresa, no con un particular cualquiera).
La compra de un coche es algo a lo que hacienda tiene acceso. A menos que no lo registres a tu nombre claro. Las ventas, con plusvalía, además hay que declararlas. Y si nada de esto se declara, pasas a tener FIAT... sí, pero es B, luego has cambiado de "activo" pero sin blanquear nada. Además no olvidemos el límite de 3000€ en efectivo. Eso sí, hay muchos otros activos, que pueden llegar a valer mucho más que un coche que sí se pueden comprar sin que estén en un registro. Pero volvemos a lo mismo, estás cambiado un activo por otro sin que en ningún caso "blanquees nada". Es decir, sin incrementar tu poder adquisitivo OFICIAL. Echo en falta en el supuesto si Bob sólo quiere convertir los Bitcoins a FIAT o si también quiere "blanquearlos". Son dos temas muy diferentes. También sería interesante saber si aparte de esto, tiene alguna actividad legal que le proporcione algún tipo de ingreso declarado o si sus ingresos oficiales son CERO... Porque si son cero, la cosa se complica... aunque siempre podría comprar algún cupón de lotería premiado. Si lo único que quiere es comprar esos ingenios caros (no necesita por tanto blanquear nada), y teniendo en cuenta que sólo hablamos de 10BTC, una mezcla de cajeros Bitcoin y OTC sería más que suficiente. |
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This is fine.
But still we need to surpass $8.7K.
What now? Moon? Why do you ask ME? I have no idea what I am doing! lol Everything is going according to the plan though. |
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Good, good. Now some sideways around here would be perfect. No need to hurry. We got plenty of time. All in all, This is Fine.  |
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Wait! What? Da fuck I just posted? lol
Sorry guys. Thanks for the correction. 56 surely looks much more bullish than if we were already at 90.
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This is fine.
But still we need to surpass $8.7K.
A page before you where Ok for 8.5K  I always need MOARRRRRRRR!!! GIMME MOARRRRRR!!! (#nohomo) |
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This is fine.
But still we need to surpass $8.7K.
That would be nice, but I don't see the significance of that price other than it being the price target of the pennant we are breaking out of. It's got something to do with the squiggly line indicator, and full moon cycles.   |
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This is fine.
But still we need to surpass $8.7K.
That would be nice, but I don't see the significance of that price other than it being the price target of the pennant we are breaking out of. It's the ceiling of the downtrend channel from $13764 (Bitfinex). According to my silly lines. Which could be perfectly wrong. Anyway, after breaking $8.5K it is almost a sure thing it will keep rising. |
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This is fine.
But still we need to surpass $8.7K.
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Finally broke out of my downward channel lines just now..
End to the bear for a while now?
I would wait till $8.7K (or at least, clearly over $8.5K) to say so. So far so good. |
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I already said I am not expecting (hoping, yes) any more 5x-10x in a single year anymore.
I believe that I understand what you are saying, bitserve, but you better tone down the bullishness a bit.  What I am suggesting is that two years in a row of 10x would still be a 100x, and even the most bullish of bitcoin prognosticators are not projecting anything like that... gosh that could put us in the $300k to $600k price range in two years (depending on foundational BTC price bouncing off point). In fact I would prefer if we reach the stage in which Bitcoin stops crazily overshooting and overdumping afterwards for a more "sane and healthy" price growth instead.
Yes.. I recognize your rhetorical point.... In other words, you don't really expect a disappearance of bitcoin price overshooting. I know that you are just making such world view assertions in order to fantasize a little. I didn't say anything about 10x two years in a row... and that's not how it works. Do a 10x one year and next one will just implode, as always. I am referring that I don't expect 5x-10x in a single year.... Which is exactly what I wrote 2x? 3x? Maybe even 4x? Yeah, why not, in a very lucky year... much more than that and there you have another bubble pop and subsequent dump. But... maybe that's exactly what will happen. Once more. But even if it does, there must be a point in which it doesn't do it anymore. And sooner or later it will come. I already said I am not expecting (hoping, yes) any more 5x-10x in a single year anymore. In fact I would prefer if we reach the stage in which Bitcoin stops crazily overshooting and overdumping afterwards for a more "sane and healthy" price growth instead.
That'll only happen once BTC's speculative nature has generally been priced in. In other words, in the "late adopter" phase. After mainstream adoption, after dinosaur institutions are balls deep into crypto, etc. Price and adoption are directly linked, so as long as most people/institutions haven't adopted it yet, it will continue being extremely speculative. Exponential adoption necessitates exponential gains. The next bubble will melt your face off. Even if I don't really expect it, I will really welcome it if it does |
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