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781  Other / Off-topic / Re: Name that flame warrior! on: December 08, 2013, 01:44:50 AM
D&T?
782  Other / Off-topic / Re: Name that flame warrior! on: December 08, 2013, 01:30:34 AM
I think myrkul is most often a philosopher Tongue
783  Economy / Speculation / Re: It's over. Bitcoin is finished. on: December 08, 2013, 01:14:55 AM

Do it!  I wanna see what everyone gets Grin
784  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Libertarians and gun rights activits here is how the rest of the world sees you on: December 07, 2013, 11:40:15 PM
I've noticed this trend: people who refuse to use the edit or insert quote function and instead decide to post in succession, even up to three to four times in a row, are often in support of the state.

Why does this happen?
785  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: If all cryptocurrencies decentralized? on: December 07, 2013, 07:54:19 AM
It's all psychological; bitcoin's the big boss and if it's going down, everyone else believes the altcoins will go down too, so they sell and then it actually does go down; the same happens when bitcoin goes up, and the other altercoins go up.  I believe the reasoning is due to the altcoins being bitcoin rip-offs so there's not much use in them except for hoping and praying one makes you rich.
786  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Rest in peace... on: December 06, 2013, 08:55:30 PM
R.I.P. in peace Cry
787  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Switzerland to vote on $2,800 monthly ‘basic income’ for adults on: December 06, 2013, 07:46:03 AM
Wouldn't this push business out of Switzerland?  Let them do it.
788  Other / Politics & Society / Re: How long would it take for Anarchy to start working? on: December 06, 2013, 07:02:55 AM
According to Merriam-Webster Online, anarchy is "a situation of confusion and wild behavior in which the people in a country, group, organization, etc., are not controlled by rules or laws"

By that definition, I feel like it would be impossible to call a working thing "anarchy."

Yes, semantics are fickle; one word can hold a hundred different meanings.  In the context we're speaking of here, we refer to the political philosophy of anarchism, not the synonym of chaos, which can be briefly summed up as a society revolving around voluntary interaction:

Quote from: Wikipedia
Anarchism is a political philosophy that advocates stateless societies often defined as self-governed voluntary institutions, but that several authors have defined as more specific institutions based on non-hierarchical free associations.

This is why I don't like anarchism; not because I disagree with the philosophy, but the word is beyond repair, so much so common dictionaries fail to define it properly; here's dictionary.com's take on it:

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an·ar·chism  [an-er-kiz-uhm]  Show IPA
noun
1.
a doctrine urging the abolition of government or governmental restraint as the indispensable condition for full social and political liberty.
2.
the methods or practices of anarchists, as the use of violence to undermine government.
789  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Why do you all want to take away money from the government? Who will then build on: December 06, 2013, 06:47:18 AM
when money becomes managed by the people not the government, who will build streetlights, roads? who will maintain infrastructure and military? who will save our lives from giving us obamacare?

are you a communist or what?

I thought the government was the people.  Huh

It is; she's referring to the difference between representatives and the lack thereof.
790  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: I designed some Bitcoin t-shirts. What do you guys think? on: December 06, 2013, 01:56:22 AM
I like the third one Grin
791  Other / Off-topic / Re: Amazon drones, lol on: December 05, 2013, 11:12:03 PM
I think they're pretty neat, but I think it's going to take a lot of hardship and missing drones before they become a staple in modern delivery mechanisms.
792  Economy / Economics / Re: A Resource Based Economy on: December 05, 2013, 11:03:17 PM
Huh

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Libertarianism (Latin: liber, "free") is a set of related political philosophies that uphold liberty as the highest political end. This includes emphasis on the primacy of individual liberty, political freedom, and voluntary association.

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Anarchist communism (also known as anarcho-communism, free communism, libertarian communism, and communist anarchism) is a theory of anarchism which advocates the abolition of the state, capitalism, wages and private property (while retaining respect for personal property), and in favor of common ownership of the means of production, direct democracy, and a horizontal network of voluntary associations and workers' councils with production and consumption based on the guiding principle: "from each according to his ability, to each according to his need".

This graphic gives me a headache.  Political philosophy != economic theory
793  Other / Meta / Re: Can't set an avatar on: December 05, 2013, 10:40:32 PM
We need to hold an award ceremony for the 100th topic created about disabled avatars Grin
794  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: StormCloudsGathering on Bitcoin: "What you're not being told" on: December 05, 2013, 10:38:24 PM
"Not being told"? It has only been discusses about a 1,000 times on this forum alone Undecided

Stop spreading FUD.

Sorry if I've offended; I really wanted some insight from people highly knowledgeable about the bitcoin protocol to combat this video.  I know it's not true, but the like-bar is way too big, which would indicate that people are being misled.
795  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / StormCloudsGathering on Bitcoin: "What you're not being told" on: December 05, 2013, 09:17:54 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PfeA94BedQI

Apparently it's the bitcoin-killer Tongue
796  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Why do you all want to take away money from the government? Who will then build on: December 05, 2013, 09:12:53 PM
I think you're falling into the trap of believing everyone would be as generous (or even as well off) as you. The problem with people, is they're lazy and greedy. If some people feel they can wiggle out of paying for a road, they'll do that, even if they use it the most.

You probably feel that everyone will be fair about it. They won't.

They're lazy and greedy if they can get away with it; if your road falls into disrepair and you don't want to pay for it to be fixed, and everyone felt that way, then the roads would look like shit and that's okay since the people driving on them don't care enough to pay for it.

I don't believe everyone is lazy or greedy; if there's anything I know about people, it's that they're very, very exhausted from work, and have very little money to work with, but perhaps I see this more often since my family has many Hispanics.  Remember that without these fees for government overhead, you become far richer; the amount of greedy people plummet, since they have no more cause for greed; they already have the things they want and need.
797  Other / Politics & Society / Re: How long would it take for Anarchy to start working? on: December 05, 2013, 09:07:13 PM
Now I have to ask you the same question that I asked here and which was left unanswered. That is, what are we going to do with those people who did not agree on the laws in the first place? Should they give in to the majority or we'd better send them to concentration camps for subsequent extermination?

You keep saying "the laws" like there's just one list of laws that everyone must follow; you've yet to understand how this works.

Lets do an exercise: name your top 5 laws you'd like to live by.  I'll list mine:

1. No murder
2. No thievery
3. No rape
4. No physical abuse, aside from defense
5. In other words, no acts of aggression

So lets compare this to the punishment you've listed:

Should they give in to the majority or we'd better send them to concentration camps for subsequent extermination?

If people willingly go into concentration camps, they'd be lunatics; to get people to get into them requires force, which violates my 4th law.  If I violate my 4th law and manage to kill people in attempting to get them into the camps, I'd violate my 1st law, as well as "exterminating" them would violate this law as well.  If I profited from this law-breaking, I'd violate my 2nd law; and I won't get into my 3rd law, as that's rather disgusting.

These punishments require me to break my own laws; I would then be a criminal.  Assuming I've broken the world's most common laws, I'll never be able to interact with popular society again; I would have to either willingly subject myself to their punishments (which likely will not include death, for I'd otherwise never see the point in it), or continue to live as an outcast until someone, who can spare the blow to their reputation by killing a man, puts a bullet in me.

If you think about it, how would you get away with crimes against humanity?  The excuse of "We're doing it to take care of criminals!" doesn't fly with anyone who is halfway awake; just look how that's working out with America and "terrorism".

Punishment works like this: if you interact with the person who has violated a popular law, you then become known for conversing with criminals; people don't want to do business with you then, lest they appear as criminals as well.  To stop this, you refuse to interact with the person, and if they're violent, ready to protect yourself if need be, or call the local hired protectors to do it for you.  The violator can't get a job; his employer, nor his employees, don't want to work with a criminal, so the violator can't make any money to make a living.  The law-violator eventually subjects himself to whatever punishment that would satisfy his peers, or tries to find an area that is more accepting of his type, if that exists, and so lives in his own personal hell.  If the violator was dangerous enough, and people agreed that he needed to be killed before he killed another, so he would be.  If they'd like to waive or reduce the punishment for the killer, that's how it goes.

There is nobody who "didn't agree on the laws in the first place" since there's no single law-system to agree upon; you have your beliefs in justice, other people have theirs, and if your beliefs clash with other people's, either they or you must adjust.
798  Other / Politics & Society / Re: How long would it take for Anarchy to start working? on: December 05, 2013, 09:19:55 AM
Ok, if the law is still compulsory for everyone, does it make any difference who specifically creates it? Actually, I don't see how this could potentially change matters in any substantial way beside what we have now. It would still be a six of one and half a dozen of the other..

There is no "the law"; you have laws which you agree with, and other people have laws they agree with, and if those laws are broken, you handle the aggressor in whichever way you've agreed on.

So what you say actually boils down to what I deemed as the only true Anarchy (and with what I entirely agree)... That is, each man is a law for himself and in himself. But this means in effect that there will be as many "laws" as there are people out there, since every man is unique and thereby is different from other people...

The most common laws rise to the top, with lesser laws, i.e. "Don't chew gum around me", tend to disappear as the person finds they're more inconvenienced by the law than if they'd just deal with it.  We generally agree on the same things: don't use aggression against me.  If we can consider our persons as our property, then we ask that no one bring harm to our property.  But if a person really wanted to enforce their no-chewing-gum law, then they'd have to do so in a way that did not conflict with laws against aggression, i.e. ostracize themselves, if nobody else found it an issue.  I think I prefer the company of people, myself.

And if you ever find a man who believes killing is moral and should be legal, let me know; I want to stay far, far away from him.

What matters here is that you have to obey the accepted law!

This is what you're missing: there's a difference between obeying a law willingly, and obeying a law unwillingly.  The anarchist society does not require you to observe any law unwillingly; the state, however, does.  This can only occur if you're not in control of law whatsoever.  When you say have to obey the accepted law, you're referring to the state; otherwise, if you agreed on that law, you wouldn't have to follow it; instead, you should obey the accepted law, which infers to anarchism.
799  Other / Politics & Society / Re: How long would it take for Anarchy to start working? on: December 05, 2013, 09:04:25 AM
Look, you just substitute law for the rulers, right? If so, what difference does it actually make then? You either have to obey by the laws set by a ruler or obey likely the same laws set by someone else. Still don't get whether it ultimately changes anything...

Who do you believe is making the laws?  God?  Law is not a magical list in the sky that people are bound to follow; when you follow a law, you either do so willingly, because you agree with the laws, or you do so out of fear, even while disagreeing with the laws.
800  Other / Politics & Society / Re: How long would it take for Anarchy to start working? on: December 05, 2013, 08:59:14 AM
Ok, if the law is still compulsory for everyone, does it make any difference who specifically creates it? Actually, I don't see how this could potentially change matters in any substantial way beside what we have now. It would still be a six of one and half a dozen of the other..

There is no "the law"; you have laws which you agree with, and other people have laws they agree with, and if those laws are broken, you handle the aggressor in whichever way you've agreed on.

The difference is in, "Killing is immoral; therefore, I will not kill," and, "You're joining the military or you're going to jail."  Clearly your government doesn't have you best interests in mind, otherwise it would not have to be compulsory; you'd already agree with everything they do.
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