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941  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: May 09, 2014, 10:19:24 AM
Risto, do the bears get like this every bubble?
942  Economy / Speculation / Re: CryptoWaves - Elliott Wave Analysis Blog on: May 09, 2014, 10:17:54 AM


.... and on BTC china... look at this. the lower fractals make perfect sense too.
943  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: May 09, 2014, 09:20:29 AM
off a pretty good base too. exciting stuff.
944  Economy / Speculation / Re: CryptoWaves - Elliott Wave Analysis Blog on: May 09, 2014, 09:17:25 AM


this is a possibility. any ideas? seems like the bullish reversal count is in favour at the moment.
945  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: May 07, 2014, 10:44:31 PM
hmm im not sure that was a feature of an extended down trend.
946  Economy / Speculation / Re: CryptoWaves - Elliott Wave Analysis Blog on: May 07, 2014, 09:44:13 PM


It is still a riddle to me. I think further upside is almost inevitable if this does not develop into a triangle.
947  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: May 07, 2014, 11:41:34 AM
At some point we wont need the Chinese anymore... I hope it will be soon...

It will happen abruptly at a time that is unpredicable, by nature, and the bears with shoot themselves in the foot when it does.
948  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: May 07, 2014, 11:40:19 AM
yep healthy signs at significant levels. after the weak effort from the bears in the last weeks this will do a lot of damage to the little bearish momentum that is left.
949  Economy / Speculation / Re: thinking about buying 5k in bitcoin on: May 06, 2014, 02:10:57 PM
It's a good time to buy for the long run, but keeping in mind that this asset has risen 8000% in year, we gotta be prepared for some bad volatility. no surprises if we drop 50% before up 500%.

the place is swarming with bears, let that be a comfort to you.  Wink
950  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: May 06, 2014, 09:05:33 AM
Looks like all shorts on Huobi will have to be closed, sooner or later.

May the back stabbing begin!

Why would only the shorts have to be closed?

In the statement, Leverage trading will cease. shorts will be closed on the 10th if not before.

"Close currency financing financial services implementing rules 1,5 month beginning at 0:00 on the 10th , the fire will stop currency net new financing financing currency after currency to pay off all of the facility or stopping leveraged finance transactions."

And there is no such thing as a leveraged long?

No it's a real thing they do exist.
951  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: May 06, 2014, 09:03:10 AM
Looks like all shorts on Huobi will have to be closed, sooner or later.

May the back stabbing begin!

Why would only the shorts have to be closed?

In the statement, Leverage trading will cease. shorts will be closed on the 10th if not before.

"Close currency financing financial services implementing rules 1,5 month beginning at 0:00 on the 10th , the fire will stop currency net new financing financing currency after currency to pay off all of the facility or stopping leveraged finance transactions."
952  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: May 06, 2014, 08:56:40 AM
Looks like all shorts on Huobi will have to be closed, sooner or later.

May the back stabbing begin!
953  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: May 06, 2014, 06:29:22 AM
they are bargaining with key points to reach better regulation. they have underlined the issues that the PBOC has a problem with, and are trying to assume a responsible role with a key statement. it looks good.
954  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: May 06, 2014, 06:25:19 AM
"there must be news" - exactly what a pumper wants you to think.


  从2009年比特币诞生开始,由于其思路创新、数学设计优美,比特币在世界各国都有所发展,很多人认为比特币作为一种支付技术,可以提高效率、降低成本。世界各国的监管机构出于对创新的尊重,给了比特币合适的发展空间,我国监管机构也非常睿智地给了比特币相对宽容的监管环境,并在五部委联合文件中提出自担风险的情况下可以自由买卖比特币。
  然而我们也看到比特币在中国的发展中出现了一些问题,比如价格上涨过快、庄家操盘、对散户的风险提示不足等等,导致了一些中小投资者出现了损失。作为比特币交易平台,对目前出现的各种问题,我们的确负有不可推卸的责任。目前OKCoin、BtcTrade、火币网、比特币中国、CHBTC五家交易平台经过深刻的反省和讨论,决定采取一致的自律行动,促进比特币的积极发展。


我们联合承诺:

1、做好比特币交易风险提示,引导民众正常的投资观念
2、不组织及参与大型营销性质的比特币会议或集会,引导行业会议向技术及应用创新的方向发展
3、遵守政策法规,在合法合规的框架下运作交易平台,在5月10号之前停止新的融资融币,在全部融资或融币还清后停止杆杠交易业务
4、抑制过度投机,保护中小投资者,对高频交易征收一定的手续费,五大交易平台随后会讨论出统一的费率
5、推进交易平台透明化进程,控制好清算、结算环节的风险
6、遵守国家相关部门的要求,严格进行实名制认证,可疑交易跟踪反馈以及履行反洗钱义务

7、建立健全的信息批露机制,让投资者拥有充分知情权
8、定期主动向主管部门汇报行业的最新发展、风险等

以下五家比特币交易平台自愿遵守上述约定,并同意加强磋商,积极促进公开透明的比特币交易,让比特币在中国得到健康发展,同时接受各方的监督。

联合声明成员:
OKCoin BtcTrade 比特币中国 火币网 CHBTC

Wow. Thanks for the translation.

Here you go buddy

2009-től a Bitcoin születése , mert az innovatív gondolkodás , a matematika és a gyönyörű design, Bitcoin alakult ki a világban , sokan azt hiszik , hogy a Bitcoin , mint a fizetési technológia, amely a hatékonyság javítása és a költségek csökkentése . Szabályozási ügynökségek világszerte való tekintettel az innováció , adott Bitcoin alkalmas a fejlődés, a kínai szabályozók is nagyon bölcsen adott Bitcoin viszonylag toleráns a szabályozási környezet, valamint javaslatot tesz saját kockázatukra az öt minisztérium közösen fájlba az ügy lehet kereskedni szabadon bitcoin .
Ugyanakkor azt is látni van néhány probléma Bitcoin Kína fejlődése , mint például az árak emelkedtek túl gyorsan , így a manipulátor , a hiányának kockázata kiskereskedelmi tippek, stb , oda vezetett, hogy a megjelenése számos kis befektetők elvesztették . A Bitcoin kereskedési platform , jelenleg úgy tűnik, a különböző kérdésekben , nem vonhatja ki magát a felelősséget. Jelenleg OKCoin , BtcTrade , tűz valuta hálózat bitcoin Kína , CHBTC öt kereskedési platform után mély gondolkodás és vita, úgy döntött, hogy a saját következetes cselekvés , hogy a pozitív fejlődésének Bitcoin .


Mi közös elkötelezettség :

1 , ne Bitcoin ügylet kockázatát kéri , hogy irányítsák az állami beruházási koncepciók normális
2 , nem vesznek részt a nagy marketing szervezetek és a természet a Bitcoin találkozók és összejövetelek , találkozók és iparág-vezető szerepet az irányt a technológiai fejlődés és az innovatív
3. betartása politikák és szabályozások keretében, működésének jogi megfelelés kereskedési platform , mielőtt május 10 megállítani finanszírozása új finanszírozási valuta után pénznemben fizeti ki az összes létesítmény vagy megállás tőkeáttételes pénzügyi kereskedelmi tevékenység
4 , hogy megfékezze a túlzott spekuláció és védik a kis befektetők, egy bizonyos díjat vetnek ki a magas frekvenciájú kereskedés , az öt kereskedési platform fogja beszélni egységes mértéke
5 , hogy támogassák a folyamat átlátható kereskedési platformok , ellenőrzési elszámolási , kiegyenlítési kockázat kapcsolat
6 , megfelelnek az érintett állami szervek , a szigorú valós név rendszer tanúsítás, nyomon gyanús ügyletek és hajtsa végre a pénzmosás elleni kötelezettségek visszajelzést

7. , létrehozása és fejlesztése az információk közzététele mechanizmust , hogy a befektetők teljes mértékben joga van tudni,
8. , rendszeresen megteszi a kezdeményezését , hogy jelentse a legújabb fejlesztéseket az iparban, a kockázatot, hogy az illetékes hatóságok , stb

A következő öt Bitcoin kereskedési platform önkéntes teljesítés a megállapodás , és megállapodtak abban , hogy erősítse konzultáció és aktívan elősegítik a nyílt és átlátható Bitcoin tranzakció , így a Bitcoin egészséges fejlődését Kínában, és fogadja el a felügyeletet a felek .

Közös nyilatkozat Tagok:
OKCoin BtcTrade bitcoin valuta hálózat CHBTC China tűz
955  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: May 06, 2014, 06:20:33 AM
"there must be news" - exactly what a pumper wants you to think.


  从2009年比特币诞生开始,由于其思路创新、数学设计优美,比特币在世界各国都有所发展,很多人认为比特币作为一种支付技术,可以提高效率、降低成本。世界各国的监管机构出于对创新的尊重,给了比特币合适的发展空间,我国监管机构也非常睿智地给了比特币相对宽容的监管环境,并在五部委联合文件中提出自担风险的情况下可以自由买卖比特币。
  然而我们也看到比特币在中国的发展中出现了一些问题,比如价格上涨过快、庄家操盘、对散户的风险提示不足等等,导致了一些中小投资者出现了损失。作为比特币交易平台,对目前出现的各种问题,我们的确负有不可推卸的责任。目前OKCoin、BtcTrade、火币网、比特币中国、CHBTC五家交易平台经过深刻的反省和讨论,决定采取一致的自律行动,促进比特币的积极发展。


我们联合承诺:

1、做好比特币交易风险提示,引导民众正常的投资观念
2、不组织及参与大型营销性质的比特币会议或集会,引导行业会议向技术及应用创新的方向发展
3、遵守政策法规,在合法合规的框架下运作交易平台,在5月10号之前停止新的融资融币,在全部融资或融币还清后停止杆杠交易业务
4、抑制过度投机,保护中小投资者,对高频交易征收一定的手续费,五大交易平台随后会讨论出统一的费率
5、推进交易平台透明化进程,控制好清算、结算环节的风险
6、遵守国家相关部门的要求,严格进行实名制认证,可疑交易跟踪反馈以及履行反洗钱义务

7、建立健全的信息批露机制,让投资者拥有充分知情权
8、定期主动向主管部门汇报行业的最新发展、风险等

以下五家比特币交易平台自愿遵守上述约定,并同意加强磋商,积极促进公开透明的比特币交易,让比特币在中国得到健康发展,同时接受各方的监督。

联合声明成员:
OKCoin BtcTrade 比特币中国 火币网 CHBTC
956  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: May 04, 2014, 12:16:16 PM
I don't understand why people do this. They want to buy a few coins but only if it reaches 420. So they're gonna watch the price hoover around 430 for a day knowing it might very well go up again from there. So when the price does go up they either have no coins or panic buy at 440.
Is saving 10 dollars per coin really that important? Assuming the price goes up from that point you have profit either way. And if it doesn't reach 420 you messed up.

I tend to agree. It's not about a particular price, it's about high probability reversal signals. when you got the signal, just buy at a price you think you can get.

There are sometimes prices where one should expect reversals, but its usually best to wait for evidence of the reversal in that case none the less.
957  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: May 04, 2014, 11:17:18 AM
this is the first time ever I see a 1,5k Wall on Huobi.

beginning to scare me.  Sad

there, I took my walls down just for you  Wink

thank you, what a relief.  Cheesy

*buy buy buy


YES!!!!    I have been wondering how low this bear trap is going to go b/c I would prefer to buy a lil MOAR at the lowest point in this series. I was thinking that if it gets down to $420-ish in the next 24 hours... that is about as low as we can expect... absent some kind of negative news.... which negative news (or FUD) is always possible to help to drive some additional downward price pressure(s). 

In sum, I am thinking maybe to buy a little bit at $420-ish... if we get there.  I welcome to hear any other theories about the extent of downard price movement, here.

If you like EW, Grin

There are some very good counts to suggest we have hit the bottom, but they are subject to testing soon.
IF we hit 420, it is all about the way we hit 420, not the price its self. If it crawls down to 420 and the RSI gives a buy signal, then it might be a good idea to buy when it turns.
problem is though, that if we enter the range of 380-400ish there is really no price history from stopping a 320 test. 320 is a no brainer buy so you'd rather have some fiat down there.
but if we can rally past 460 in style soon, I'd go full bitcoin. thats confirming quite a strong and aggressive upside count.
so maybe I'd argue not to catch a falling knife because when you can have a high confidence trade above 420. especially when a robust H&S are set in place.
958  Economy / Speculation / Re: CryptoWaves - Elliott Wave Analysis Blog on: May 04, 2014, 10:39:02 AM
did we ever look into this as a possibility?

while the iv wave is disproportionate, how could one force the alternative C wave count to be a fiver?

959  Economy / Speculation / Re: rpietila Wall Observer - the Quality TA Thread ;) on: May 04, 2014, 09:24:58 AM

Usually TA is all abut phsycology and nothing else...

lol usually? Isn't that the entire thesis? Analyzing an manipulating herd behavior with self-fulfilling prophecies?

TA and psychology are quite seperate, unless you are talking about EW analysis which looks beyond the chart. Technical analysis only looks to the chart, and it's not practical to tell psychology from a chart alone.

.. although herd psychology is certainly key. forget the fundamentals, if you can separate yourself from the crowd, you will make money.

Yes, the "charts" are caused by massive herds of people who are "recognizing" patterns they read in a book. These patterns are there in the first place because of people looking for these patterns they read in a book, "recognizing them", trading accordingly and by doing so cause the patterns to begin with.

markets are not made to be speculative tools, most of the money moving on the market comes from commercial demand, representing fundamentals. In my experience, speculators generally dont agree on the patterns. There is always an ample supply of speculators to somehow sell into support, and buy into resistance. the patterns we see on the market are mostly caused by unaware speculators, foolishly trying to follow the "news" and such.
960  Economy / Speculation / Re: rpietila Wall Observer - the Quality TA Thread ;) on: May 04, 2014, 09:11:36 AM

Usually TA is all abut phsycology and nothing else...

lol usually? Isn't that the entire thesis? Analyzing an manipulating herd behavior with self-fulfilling prophecies?

TA and psychology are quite seperate, unless you are talking about EW analysis which looks beyond the chart. Technical analysis only looks to the chart, and it's not practical to tell psychology from a chart alone.

.. although herd psychology is certainly key. forget the fundamentals, if you can separate yourself from the crowd, you will make money.
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