I always considered LaudaM a trustworthy person. Now I see he only wants to punish someone for what someone else did and call it justice.
You are not the original owner of the account and that is that. Mind sharing with us why in particular you have come back now? What are the plans? Did you know that it actually takes more time to make this thread than do as I suggested in the past PM? Do you really make new threads for all private messages you get?
Yes, and I will continue to do so whenever I am attacked or when I need input from the community in such a situation. Now that you have agreed to receive the payment to the original address you were scheduled to receive payment to, I believe it would be inappropriate to continue to withhold/delay releasing the bitcoin held in escrow.
Not if the account is compromised and the current user is not the same as the one who made the loan. Quick and dirty wait to clean the account would be doing the above.
Maybe you should visit the main account @Watoshi-Dimobuto.
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A senior computer scientist and academic
Given his frivolous and unethical behaviour, he seems to be a very dumb academic if he is one (see tag on JollyGood and the endless pool of alts).  Just to make it clear, are you claiming that mhanbostanci managed an "investment pool" for his niece and his student?
I think we need to add this to alt account bingo. A senior computer scientist and academic likes to employ his students and nephew every once in a while on some errands / coding jobs for pay.
Can you try harder at making up stuff? Definitely worth a bingo update. |
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Stop going around in circles asking trivially deniable questions as the above. If the next post is another useless roundabout charade way of trying to defend the accused without any evidence, then it will be deleted.
Stop posting useless posts Blacknavy. Just to make it clear, are you claiming that mhanbostanci managed an "investment pool" for his niece and his student?
I think we need to add this to alt account bingo. |
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I'm not using different path with my relatives.
You should be tagged as somebody as a risk to deal with then. You should never ever use crypto in the way that you are. Maybe was he using Electrum?
No. I know what is derivation path.
Wrong. You think you know, but you actually have next to no idea which is a terrible character flaw.
Stop going around in circles asking trivially deniable questions as the above. If the next post is another useless roundabout charade way of trying to defend the accused without any evidence, then it will be deleted. |
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Blacknavy: I like Doge. It is raising now, aunt X, please send me a USDT address. Do you have an exchange account that you can buy Doge?
Aunt X: Kraken.
Blacknavy: I'll send you USDT to buy it.
Aunt X: I wrote the USDT address to your Telegram.
If there is a connection between my aunt's USDT address and my USDT address, does that mean that my aunt and I are the same person?
I don't know if you're really that dumb or just being deliberately obtuse. This topic is not merely about a "connection" between two addresses, e.g. funds sent between them like in your little story above. mhanbostanci's addresses are linked as inputs to the same transaction, meaning the same person has control of their private keys. There are some other highly unlikely possibilities but it's safe to ignore them seeing how the only counter-arguments (if you can call them that) so far are focused on the "friends and family" excuse and on dismissing blockchain evidence altogether. There's someone stupid here, I think it's you who try to twist my messages. Many investments of my relatives are in my hardware wallet (one seed includes milllion addresses in a same wallet as you already know). Have you managed any funds in your life? Do you know what a fund pool means, what does it mean? Or are you only interested in signature campaigns? If you use the same accounts on the same hardware wallets for many of your relatives then you deserve to be tagged for stupidity sake and to warn others that dealing with you is a risk. The same hardware wallet, being used with multiple accounts (1 account 1 relative, as it was designed to be) and used by an 10 000 relatives would never create a transaction like the one that OP and his alt did. Do you really think you understand wallets better than I do? Facepalm. Was this situation the reverse, and the thread was Lauda & some other account you would be fighting to the death, given the same evidence, to prove it was indeed an alt. Time to stop lying, and time to stop defending abusers. |
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Account in question: Watoshi-Dimobuto Link: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=119405PM log (all PMs were sent to me before I had responded to any): Hello, IIRC, in 2014 the original owner took a non-collateral loan using this account from s1lverbox, and took another collateral loan with account as collateral from another lender and defaulted both loans. The new lender paid s1lverbox to remove negative trust on defaulted collateral and after another default he bought account from watoshi. Default negative trusts were removed and account was listed for sale. As you can see from my post history, I am more a lending person than a borrowing person. I don't like to be accused for what someone else did and I want to clear my name. Takes loan : (Defaulted by Watoshi, Paid by new owner of account) Defaulted loan repaid privately : I have another user watoshi...which defaulted me but person who has that account paid me off and account is for sale as well in his thread.
What I mean to say is the loan defaulter also defaulted on loans taken from this account after giving this account as collateral. Please remove the negative trust. Best regards, The current Watoshi Dimobuto account holder since 5 years Hello,
None of the other accounts are/were in my control. My request concerns only this account.
I just noticed the feedback is for a 0.6 loan and the reference links to a 0.06 loan. Not that I care.
Best regards,
Watoshi-Dimobuto
Cross-referencing from the Lending section (I do not post there) and his attack on zazarb: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1318061.msg54442961#msg54442961. |
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I wrote this (it was deleted by La): Zz is a college student, and mhanbostanci is an adult. Both are known by forum members. I write on one of my accounts that I am Atatürk, and in other alt account I write that I am Nietzsche. They get connected to via wallet evidence using chain analysis tools. Will you say that this is definite proof that the other is not my alt account? You believe every word these two monkeys write and take it as evidence, while doing the opposite with people who you do not like (not even for valid reasons). Stupidity at its finest. |
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This whole drama created by a few Turkish members seems to be affecting the Local board overwhelmingly. Most Turkish users are interacting in Local and there view about Global is being manipulated by those caught in scamming activities. They are sowing general discord amongst the community with stupid conspiracy theories. I have been trying to talk with the people over at Turkish local. Here is a step-wise evolution of the matter. 1. REMOVAL OF KALEMDERThe whole thing started because Kalemder was removed from the ChipMixer campaign after he was found to have some "Mutual trust inclusion/ exclusion" affair with TECHSHARE. He says that he did it because he trusted TECHSHARE as he was speaking out against racism. You would be mistaken. This started silently when I took over the Bitmixer campaign. Only with the listed even did it become publicly significant. I will consider "understanding" your "honest intentions" when you voluntarily blacklist yourself from the DT system and as a potential merit source. Until then I have nothing to understand. This is fair according to the statement that you have just made - assuming it is honest.
They are unfair. The offer was the fairest offer ever towards the gang of Turkish baboons that you collude with. Had your intentions truly been honest as you claim, then you would have trivially just gone along with it. However, you tried to fool me but that got busted precisely with the PM. To be so abusive that I can only offer a 'consider understanding' says enough about your abuse. Published from my side for correctness sake: Hello Lauda, how are you? What do you not understand about me? Nothing I can't explain. I'm sure it's a misunderstanding. Please let me have a dialogue. Let me explain myself to you. What do you not understand? I added @Tecshare months ago. I read his positive judgments. I removed his after 2 weeks. I did not know the previous fights. I explained in detail here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5221450.msg53730500#msg53730500I am waiting for your kindly return. Hello you. You would be ill-advised to approach me this way. I am much more informed on the situation that you think. What information? I tried to explain that I am not a bad person. I have responded to the claim regarding @Tecshare. Let's talk together. Only in this way can we understand each other. I never want to fight. Diplomacy, dialogue, peace and understanding is the way I prefer. It is unrelated to the thread. It is related to what you and your Turk colleagues are doing.  What others do is their own responsibility. Your judgment should be about me. I did not harm anyone in my life. I always tried to do useful things in the forum. What have I done? I am waiting for your understanding, not your hate. You have been in this forum for many years. I think we can understand each other. I will consider "understanding" your "honest intentions" when you voluntarily blacklist yourself from the DT system and as a potential merit source. Until then I have nothing to understand. This is fair according to the statement that you have just made - assuming it is honest. Now I can finally delete this from my PM box as you have published it. Thanks. kzv 2020-03-05 Reference Publication of personal messages without consent. Be careful of private messages with this user.
Waiting on this guy to leave you a neutral rating.
I made a similar offer to another person who approached me this way. Coincidentally, their 'honest intentions' do not include blacklisting themselves from DT1 either. |
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Exclude the members including the account. |
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Self-moderating has its issues. The major one being that then people can easily obfuscate and behave like they have been wronged which implies they were "righteous" in the first place and the "authorities" fear their truth, whatever it was. Bu konuya ilk mesaji ben attim ve savundum ancak La tarafindan mesajim silindi. Yani doğru savunma yapanlarin mesajini silip, yanlis savunma yapacak olanlarin uzerinden saldiri yapacak ve kendilerini hakli çikartacaklar. Karsi taraf manipulasyon uzmani..
Translation: I posted and defended the first post on this subject but my message was deleted by La. In other words, they will delete the message of the righteous defenders, attack those who will make the wrong defense, and justify themselves. Counterparty manipulation specialist.
He is not the accused, and thus his stories are of no concern of me. If he can provide evidence for his claim, then he can post and it will remain where it is. |
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Do not trust most of the trolls here like Lauda, who are already kicked out of both DT1 by theymos and DT2 by the community. Bill is a pretty nice guy, I think you should try sending bill gator a PM, I am sure he would respond as soon as he checks his account rather than trying to remove it via admin action.
GTFO pajeet. Nobody asked you anything. Even if that is the case, I'd still like it removed via an admin. Which should be feasible given that is the case.
Highly unlikely. Admins do not do this unless there is excessive abuse. |
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I would prefer to continue the conversation here instead of in PMs but... Let's try again to have a normal discussion. The lie is the biggest sin.
Really, does he think he is the smart user around here and everyone else is stupid? |
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Does mhanbostanci or the other accused came with explanation or anything, except this info they left in the negative feedback?
The signed message is pretty strong evidence, you can't go around.
I got a PM from mhanbostanci, quoting below:
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I don't see anything stopping mhanbostanci from posteing an answer here.
I request Lauda to not moderate posts from the accused ones that are not off topic.
The accused members are free to post fully and whenever they want to. Self-mod is not for me to take away the power of the accused to defend themselves, but to protect myself from the usual trolls.
Reminder, all three accounts are apparently in DT2. |
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Apparently Roger Vermin is interested in buying the domain. Hopefully Cobra won't get tempted.
The scammer was always ready to purchase it. Despite my dislike of Cobra, I do not think that he is that dishonest. I really can't say anything about him as I barely know Cobra, but let's just say that money can easily change people's minds so let's not slash out this possibility. Speak for yourself. It can do so for weak willed people and those that were actually corruptible to begin with. Money just makes them expose their true character. |
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The user mhanbostanci has left me the following rating: mhanbostanci 2020-05-11 Reference
The real reason for the negative feedback he gave me is that he is a Turkish enemy. In this regard, the flag was opened and the subject was discussed. zz and altcoin_trader are different people I know personally. This is known in the Turkish forum and it is no secret.
You are hostile to people you don't know.
Lauda, this crypto-era version of Vlad the Impaler, is now an official enemy of the baboons. If they will ever catch you they might impale you lol. Being serious now, I see that things escalated a lot since wolwoo's revolutionary topic and I think we'll see more and more Turks involved in this war. Whatever their purpose is, I think none of them should have official positions on the forum anymore, no matter if we talk about being a mod on Turkish section, DT member or merit source. Ironic how all the claims of abuse always end up showing the true motives behind the accusers. To be called an abuser of trust, and then to get tagged by the same people for "racism". Reminder: Turkey / Turkish people =/= race. The accounts mentioned in the OP mutually added themselves into DT2 via Vispilio and others. |
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Apparently Roger Vermin is interested in buying the domain. Hopefully Cobra won't get tempted.
The scammer was always ready to purchase it. Despite my dislike of Cobra, I do not think that he is that dishonest. |
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