are urajs pools offline?
sorry just messed up with dns table, and fucked up, as soon as dns entry propagate to correct values again, it will work currently pool.burstcoin.io pointing to 104.28.22.80 while it should be 23.227.167.164 cloudflare just taking over that domain which they shouldn't
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just FYI, pool does not really suffer from network traffic, pool suffer on verfiying computation, every single nonce miner send, pool will need to do shabal256 hash ~48000 times, that is for single nonce from one miner, on one round on average there are 1500 nonces received for 100 miners
i believe you are talking about stratum protocol (by saying scrypt source), stratum was aimed to reduce traffic by adjusting pool-diff and to make miner can create his own job without need to ask pool regularly, its completely different to burst, while on PoW the more nonce you send the more reward you get, and also PoW algorithm was made to be hard to calculate and very easy to check for its validity
on burst does not like that, on burst you just need very small network traffic no matter how large your plot is, and burst mining does not really use cpu power, miner just need to do 1 shabal256 hash per nonce they have, but to verify the validity of deadline will need 48000 more power
Okay, so we really need the miner to only have to send the very best nonce deadline the miner has, no matter the plot size, and then, somehow (perhaps over a number of blocks) try to infer a reasonable estimate as to the total plot size of that miner, in order to reward fairly. the estimate only have one deadline per block per miner to work with, but over a number of blocks that might be enough to do some kind of estimate. Best thing would probably be a rolling window or something that weights most current data more than not so current data, as people can take plots online and offline. With the correct estimate function, splitting up a plot into many plots and using many addresses will not help the miner (which is what we want) The function would correctly estimate the many small plot sizes and their total reward would be the same as if it was a large plot. It isn't really important to guess the size correctly, as long as all the guesses are the correct fraction of the sum of all the guesses. that is what currently implemented, averaging on sliding window, but big miners complain that when they found a block they still get regular payout, so i create SG pool that reward them most, by rewarding more on recent score, and smaller sliding window, just more like solo mining but yeah I admit the most fair calculation statistically would be like dev-pool, summed up all submitted nonce that within deadline limit
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Hello There have been changes on the SG Uray pool? My payments have never been as bad as the last 6 days, even when I had less hdd. I win 3 times less than the number of blocks I find. The diff has not yet increased. I am the only one to notice a decrease in performance?
I have also noticed this for past 24-48 hours (not as long as 6 days !) There are many accounts getting paid with large amount even though they are not constantly submitting high shares (low deadlines) e.g. How could they get such a large payouts with those scattered pattern of low shares in between ? sometime anomaly like this could happen on fast block, while the large miners are still reading their plot, small miner already submitted their good deadline, and then new block come, large miners too late to submit their nonce or it could be their past failed payout are accumulated into balance, and when pool has funds, its going up to the queue for payout but i don't know... I admit it could be bug too... i will check for it
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illustration of what i am trying to achieve, total reward of 5 accounts still be lower than single account because single account would have better average best deadline
With some versions of gpu mining , the miner and pool negotiate (or rather, the pool instructs the miner) what is considered a deadline worthy of consideration. So a really slow miner will be allowed to send small deadlines, while a really fast miner will have a higher threshold reg. what to send. This should result in a reduced traffic, but still enough samples to figure what the power of the miner is. Given the custom deadline limit sent to the miner, and the nonces returned, the pool should be able to figre an estimate as to how much plot file has been plotted, and thus, what share of found blocks to allocate. for instance of one miner negotiates a minimum of 1000 and another a minimum of 10000 then you could "just" calculate each of the sub 1000 nonces you get with the same weight as the number of sub 10000 nonces that you would've gotten if you had allowed them to be transferred. Not sure i make myself clear, but i hope this might be of inspiration for perhaps a new miner protocol down the line - you should be able to create miner and pool that is pretty much totally fair, esp if you calculate the estimated plot size over a reasonable number of blocks. If things are dynamic enough the pool could even hike the proof-of-work difficulty to reduce traffic, and just compensate in the calculations. So you could have the pool run at a relatively stable traffic burden. You would of course have to code both miner and pool part of such a negotiation protocol, but pehaps you can be very much inspired by scrypt pool source. just FYI, pool does not really suffer from network traffic, pool suffer on verfiying computation, every single nonce miner send, pool will need to do shabal256 hash ~48000 times, that is for single nonce from one miner, on one round on average there are 1500 nonces received for 100 miners i believe you are talking about stratum protocol (by saying scrypt source), stratum was aimed to reduce traffic by adjusting pool-diff and to make miner can create his own job without need to ask pool regularly, its completely different to burst, while on PoW the more nonce you send the more reward you get, and also PoW algorithm was made to be hard to calculate and very easy to check for its validity on burst does not like that, on burst you just need very small network traffic no matter how large your plot is, and burst mining does not really use cpu power, miner just need to do 1 shabal256 hash per nonce they have, but to verify the validity of deadline will need 48000 more power
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Never really tested it out or tried to calculate it, but I've always guessed that under uray's system, more smaller addresses work better. I figure that since it only takes one deadline per id per block, for any given scenario, if part of plots it is using were plotted to another id, you'd get credit for an additional deadline in addition to the same one as earler, leading to more segmentation always yielding more credit. This is why my pools take have target deadlines, and take all deadlines under it, although people generally don't seem to like deadline limits that well.
you might be correct, and also note that reward does not linear to the best deadline submitted on my system, and also reward distribution is "skewed", thats why it has different curve between US, EU and SG each of them tuned to favor different type of miners capacity. on SG pool you might be get less payout if u are using 1000 accounts each of 1GB capacity instead of 1 account of 1 TB capacity, but on US pool its yet to be checked does thousands of small account result to better payout, while on EU pool you might not get payout at all by using 1000 accounts each with 1GB size i dont see this as disadvantage for miners, because it give them options to choose pool, each pool can have unlimited different characteristic instead of just PPLNS, PPS or Prop like on conventional pool Yes I've seen the curves. I'm not trying to say that more but lower quality deadlines would yield more, but that your best deadline on average would still be of the same quality regardless of how much you segment things out. Your best deadline on average for a 1TB plot file to one account should be on average the same as your single best deadline for 1TB made of 10 plots to different ids of 100GB each, and on normal solo mining both scenarios should be able to mine the same amount of blocks. The difference only comes into play when using a pool that takes 1 best deadline for each id, since the single best deadline for each scenario should be of the same quality, but the segmented setup allows 9 extras to be tacked on along with it. yeah I understand your point, to make it simple : (accountId+NonceNum) == ActualNonce, so statistically for (1 + 1000) which is single account with large nonce would be equal to (1000+1) which is 1000 accounts with small nonce, so it would be better to choose (1000+1) since 1000 account with bad deadline (which no problem because of no deadline limit) would be added up into cumulative reward. but the actual calculation does not end up there, there are some "distribution window" which is when pool found a block, the reward is distributed into past-blocks allocation and future-blocks allocation, what I am trying to do with this is, to get some "averaging" so that if you have large variance on deadline you still get low reward because on average your scores still bad, but if your variance is good (which is low) the reward is high. now if we try to use 1000 accounts with small plots, all those 1000 accounts will have high variance on deadlines, and what i am to achieve with curve is, if we summed up all of those 1000 accounts reward it would be less or equal than 1 account with low variance i know its complicated and i can't really proof it if it works, i am open for suggestion if anyone have better idea, the point i want to achieve is : if possible we shouldn't need deadline limit, because we are using pool to reduce variance, no matter how small your plot, you want to get stable earning, even if its very small, if we have deadline limit the payout will be irregular because in most of the blocks your deadline will be higher than limit and it does not counted and then if we does not use deadline limit, miners can just send all nonce they have and pool would be dead to verify all of those nonces, so we do need deadline limit (which what dev-pool did) or we just say it each account can only send one of their best nonce (which what my pool did) and then we have a problem again, what happen if miners would just create a lot of account with small plot for each of those account, so each of the account can send its best nonce, by doing this they can summed up their total earning. up to now, my solution is to use averaging, you are rewarded by your average best nonces up to 100 blocks, by doing this miner would only need to send one of their best nonce per block which will reduce computation on pool and (should) reduce traffic, and also very small capacity miners still be counted up every block for any deadline they have illustration of what i am trying to achieve, total reward of 5 accounts still be lower than single account because single account would have better average best deadline
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Never really tested it out or tried to calculate it, but I've always guessed that under uray's system, more smaller addresses work better. I figure that since it only takes one deadline per id per block, for any given scenario, if part of plots it is using were plotted to another id, you'd get credit for an additional deadline in addition to the same one as earler, leading to more segmentation always yielding more credit. This is why my pools take have target deadlines, and take all deadlines under it, although people generally don't seem to like deadline limits that well.
you might be correct, and also note that reward does not linear to the best deadline submitted on my system, and also reward distribution is "skewed", thats why it has different curve between US, EU and SG each of them tuned to favor different type of miners capacity. on SG pool you might be get less payout if u are using 1000 accounts each of 1GB capacity instead of 1 account of 1 TB capacity, but on US pool its yet to be checked does thousands of small account result to better payout, while on EU pool you might not get payout at all by using 1000 accounts each with 1GB size i dont see this as disadvantage for miners, because it give them options to choose pool, each pool can have unlimited different characteristic instead of just PPLNS, PPS or Prop like on conventional pool
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Is this a serious bug in the uray's v2 pool code or I just don't understand how it works? Sometimes my current round BEST deadline is counted in the pool as thousands of years, but it's actually a day or 7 hours. If it's an error how it's possible to stay unnoticed for so long. Almost each round I have much better deadline then the pool confirms.
block#32841 s#:2156 bt:3256928 90af85ce164f1b479a8375e2fa314f5ec83b2b7ed1a938596 8caf12672bf9efc ... XXXX-XXXX-XXXX-XXXXX dl:58 days 16:01:39 n:8098078 XXXX-XXXX-XXXX-XXXXX dl:21 days 04:00:49 n:10204459 XXXX-XXXX-XXXX-XXXXX dl:12 days 12:01:59 n:8787052 plot read done. XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX_10000001_952000_8000 = 960000 nonces submitting nonce 8787052 for XXXX-XXXX-XXXX-XXXXX {"result": "success","deadline": 1080119,"targetDeadline": 1080119} confirmed dl. for XXXX-XXXX-XXXX-XXXXX : 12 days 12:01:59 XXXX-XXXX-XXXX-XXXXX dl:10 days 01:42:09 n:1578278 plot read done. XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX_8000001_1904000_8000 = 1912000 nonces submitting nonce 1578278 for XXXX-XXXX-XXXX-XXXXX {"result": "success","deadline": 4803144336493,"targetDeadline": 1080119} No confirm dl. here, so in the pool my Current Round Best Deadline is 12 days instead of 10 days. submitting nonce 1578278 for XXXX-XXXX-XXXX-XXXXX {"result": "success","deadline": 4803144336493,"targetDeadline": 1080119} plot read done. XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX_4000001_3624000_8000 = 3632000 nonces plot read done. XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX_1_4000000_8000 = 4008000 nonces submitting nonce 1578278 for XXXX-XXXX-XXXX-XXXXX {"result": "success","deadline": 4803144336493,"targetDeadline": 1080119} ....
EDIT: And if it's actually an error then the pool is getting less blocks then it should. This will give an answer to the question why I'm getting less then 1/2 of what I should get according to the calculator. Are there privileged miners getting twice what they should?
In the current block I have better best dl then the whole pool and it's not counted:block#32848 s#:427 bt:3941683 db8cbd6f3b4347af33b6c5dbd014e88886b1534c471ba44379 58111360a83697 XXXX-XXXX-XXXX-XXXXX dl:43377706 days 07:34:36 n:10000001 XXXX-XXXX-XXXX-XXXXX dl:30498843 days 14:39:55 n:10000003 XXXX-XXXX-XXXX-XXXXX dl:16280478 days 08:12:47 n:10000004 XXXX-XXXX-XXXX-XXXXX dl:10770849 days 02:47:49 n:10000007 XXXX-XXXX-XXXX-XXXXX dl:3161699 days 08:04:42 n:10000008 XXXX-XXXX-XXXX-XXXXX dl:2639299 days 10:49:14 n:10000025 XXXX-XXXX-XXXX-XXXXX dl:728431 days 11:16:32 n:10000026 XXXX-XXXX-XXXX-XXXXX dl:412278 days 10:25:49 n:10000111 XXXX-XXXX-XXXX-XXXXX dl:82368 days 11:02:34 n:10000160 XXXX-XXXX-XXXX-XXXXX dl:33784 days 04:49:14 n:10000642 XXXX-XXXX-XXXX-XXXXX dl:29179 days 04:12:27 n:10001703 XXXX-XXXX-XXXX-XXXXX dl:27550 days 14:29:12 n:10002832 XXXX-XXXX-XXXX-XXXXX dl:5362 days 14:13:56 n:10002979 XXXX-XXXX-XXXX-XXXXX dl:2021 days 19:42:54 n:10004065 XXXX-XXXX-XXXX-XXXXX dl:955 days 16:41:03 n:8005403 XXXX-XXXX-XXXX-XXXXX dl:35 days 12:32:56 n:4003615 submitting nonce 4003615 for XXXX-XXXX-XXXX-XXXXX {"result": "success","deadline": 3069176,"targetDeadline": 3069176} confirmed dl. for XXXX-XXXX-XXXX-XXXXX : 35 days 12:32:56 XXXX-XXXX-XXXX-XXXXX dl:6 days 09:57:57 n:4534359 plot read done. XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX_10000001_952000_8000 = 960000 nonces XXXX-XXXX-XXXX-XXXXX dl:5 days 03:53:01 n:5097447 submitting nonce 5097447 for XXXX-XXXX-XXXX-XXXXX {"result": "success","deadline": 1833348656611,"targetDeadline": 3069176} submitting nonce 5097447 for XXXX-XXXX-XXXX-XXXXX XXXX-XXXX-XXXX-XXXXX dl:4 days 00:42:39 n:5726669 {"result": "success","deadline": 1833348656611,"targetDeadline": 3069176} plot read done. XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX_8000001_1904000_8000 = 1912000 nonces XXXX-XXXX-XXXX-XXXXX dl:0 days 00:26:27 n:5889794submitting nonce 5889794 for XXXX-XXXX-XXXX-XXXXX {"result": "success","deadline": 4318310545714,"targetDeadline": 3069176} No confirm dl. here, so in the pool my Current Round Best Deadline is 35 days instead of 26 minutes.submitting nonce 5889794 for XXXX-XXXX-XXXX-XXXXX {"result": "success","deadline": 4318310545714,"targetDeadline": 3069176} Pool best deadline is 33+ minutes and I have a 26 minutes share...your miner submit this : XXXX-XXXX-XXXX-XXXXX dl:0 days 00:26:27 n:5889794 submitting nonce 5889794 for XXXX-XXXX-XXXX-XXXXX
pool reply with this : {"result": "success","deadline": 1833348656611,"targetDeadline": 3069176}
so the result is different, when your miner say that nonce could result in 0 days deadline after pool replot it with your submitted nocne and account id, it did not result in 0 days of deadline, so its unconfirmed deadline it could be because your plot is different than pool plot, some issue like this was happened because of plot optimizer or corrupted plot, and also because miner and pool check the nonce against different gensig due to different block height i have more than 10 miners scattered around the world on my vps, mining at my own pool but never have this unconfirmed deadlime, i would love to investigate this, but i can't reproduce it, when you encounter this can you give me: 1. your accountId 2. nonce that has unconfirmed deadline and 3. scoop number and baseTarget when this problem occured (or exact block height)
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its poloniex address whats funny is they are using same passpharase for NXT, NHZ and BURST That seems like a really bad idea to use the same passphrase.. I know there was talk of a theoretical attack that could cause some problems given this within Nxt.. won't give details publicly but I'm going to contact them about that. But the point is, I hope that nobody else uses the same passphrase for different coins, especially if they are all forks of the same coin and use the same internal structure for a transaction.. my guess is also that they use the same passphrase for all other coins as well.. which in general seems like a bad idea.. hack one passphrase and you get all of their coins. cool... lets hack this address! a lot of NXT, BURST and NHZ! writing openCL RS address bruteforcer...
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its poloniex address whats funny is they are using same passpharase for NXT, NHZ and BURST
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Seems to be some coordination at the exchanges also with a few buy walls, not huge but I've not seen that before:
bittrex, 1,5BTC @ 150sat and 2BTC @ 140sat poloniex, 0,75BTC @ 155sat; 2BTC @ 150 and 2,8BTC @ 140sat c-cex, 0,8BTC @ 150sat
Decent volyme too, 5th on polo last 24h.
I've noticed this happening a few times before as well. at the same hour
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Hi, Does the Burst calculator ( https://bchain.info/BURST/tools/calculator) the correct value ? I have 10TB of plot files, using the calculator I should earn 4894 BTC per day, my last days was: 2014-11-10 = 3046.74180549 BURST or 0.005 BTC or 1.67 USD or 80 RUR 2014-11-09 = 3568.72379273 BURST or 0.005 BTC or 1.95 USD or 93 RUR 2014-11-08 = 2948.54032659 BURST or 0.004 BTC or 1.61 USD or 77 RUR 2014-11-07 = 1237.77490467 BURST or 0.002 BTC or 0.68 USD or 32 RUR 2014-11-06 = 3209.12890279 BURST or 0.005 BTC or 1.76 USD or 84 RUR 2014-11-05 = 2498.09233920 BURST or 0.004 BTC or 1.37 USD or 65 RUR where is the problem ? Thanks the problem is you see it wrong, its BURST, not BTC
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we are #1 sorted by % change(24h) on coinmarket cap while on coingecko we are ranking #38 look our community rating is like a shit, because we dont use enough FB, Twitter, Reddit
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looking good here, which one is not responding, ur miner or pool website? i think i see something weird going on here on the blockchain
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looking good here, which one is not responding, ur miner or pool website?
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crap, just 15 minutes late
BurstcoinWalletReleaseParty-1.1.5-PasswordIs:VW
don't worry, somebody bot-hacked all accounts already Yup seems like it, I spent over 25 minutes trying all those combos and finally got one.... to open up to 0 balance. Like soloing and getting a 89 deadline, but someone else solve it with a 23 deadline. you need to increase your stagger size to get faster
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call me dumb, I downloaded latest wallet, and replaced pass phrase like this BurstcoinWalletReleaseParty-1.1.5-PasswordIs:v [v for letter] balance shows 0, please advice You gotta guess the two letters, so it could be aa or Aa or AA or any of the combinations from the english (I presume) alphabet. Not as easy as it sounds if you wanna try it out manually. Interesting idea though, props to Uray its just two letter, english ASCII letter, so it will be a..z,A..Z , two letters so there will be 52*52 combination = 2704 Still, too few combinations.... yeah, its just for fun and BURST-S37A-4WRB-RJ35-7WN5A just stole all of those funds ! omagad...
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call me dumb, I downloaded latest wallet, and replaced pass phrase like this BurstcoinWalletReleaseParty-1.1.5-PasswordIs:v [v for letter] balance shows 0, please advice You gotta guess the two letters, so it could be aa or Aa or AA or any of the combinations from the english (I presume) alphabet. Not as easy as it sounds if you wanna try it out manually. Interesting idea though, props to Uray its just two letter, english ASCII letter, so it will be a..z,A..Z , two letters so there will be 52*52 combination = 2704
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call me dumb, I downloaded latest wallet, and replaced pass phrase like this BurstcoinWalletReleaseParty-1.1.5-PasswordIs:v [v for letter] balance shows 0, please advice when you open the wallet with your guessed passphrase does the acoountId (public key) is same as the list ? if not, then you guessed wrong
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