De ce nu? Mi se pare o situatie castigatoare pe toate partile: (1) clientul e atras; (2) magazinul face vanzare si, evident, si profit (chiar daca ofera un discount, sigur scoate si profit); (3) este promovat fenomenul crypto. Intrebarea insa este unde ai vazut aceste promotii?


Ah, nu bazusem. Merci! Ce-i drept, m-am uitat si pe graba.

Aparatele acestea de care spun eu sunt in magazinele Mega Image-uri si Carrefour, tot in locul in care erau inainte ZebraPay


Da, imi amintesc. Stiu ca m-am mirat cand am vazut moneda aceea listata si m-am si intrebat cum de au ales Veros dintre toate monedele alternative. Intre timp mi-a iesit complet din minte existenta acelei monede.


Nu stiam nici ca Veros a picat. Acum am gasit (cu greu) ceva legat de treaba asta.

Ce mi se pare incredibil este ca, in ultima vreme, cand scriu in topicul acesta mai gasesc cate un roman tepar. In cazul acesta, iata ce am gasit:

- caut pe Google "Veros coin scam"
- gasesc un articol despre subiect, care il mentioneaza si pe un oarecare Critian (roman), dezvoltator al Veros, care scria si pe forum
- intru pe forum si gasesc asta:



- aparent, autorul topicului pe care intrasem mai sus este vestitul Cristian:


Oare de aici a pornit totul?

Omul a intrat pe forum in martie 2017; in iulie deja anunta Veros.

Culmea e ca a intervenit si intr-un topic de-al meu, in 2020 -- Guvernul vine! ANAF si DIICOT ii urmaresc pe traderi. A postat un link continand cartea lui Snowden. Insa nimeni nu l-a recunoscut... Fiuuu daca as fi stiu cine era l-as fi interpelat in secunda 2...


Totodata, nu pot sa nu imi strunesc mirarea fata de cate tepe romanesti tot gasim in ultimele zile...  De la saxydev la (posibil) spectrocoin si pana la acest Cristian...

I'd also like to congratulate all winners! Chapeau!

I thank to icopress for his determination in (1) creating this event, (2) reiterating it in the second year, no matter the struggles his country faces and (3) managing to hold the event for the third consecutive year! Those who did not create topics with complex BBCodes have no idea how much it takes just to create the topics he created for the contest. Even to modify them takes a lot...

I thank to everybody which was involved by any mean in organizing the event. I also thank to all which showed their support and asked if we need help. Much appreciated!

I thank to all participants and, as a consolation for those which were not able to participate due to eligibility rules I will say this as encouragement: there is enough time to earn 50 merits until next iteration of the event! Bo good forum contributors and I am sure that many of you will be eligible. One example which just comes in my mind now is the case of Gladitorcomeback, which had less than 50 merits when he voted (he had 16 merits). Yet, in just two months, when the topic was locked, he managed to earn no less than 62 merits, thus his vote became eligible! See? It's possible!

I also thank to all which came with suggestions and feedback. Their thoughts were very valuable and improved the event from year to year.

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That's an interesting idea. Maybe we can make a nomination for those which succeeded that, like there is a position inside some companies named Honorary Chairman... Like a sign of recognition.


I am very glad to hear that. It means the new (and enforced :p) rules enhanced the process.

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There was a debate inside Discussion topic, from post 368 to 423:


The outcome was this: absolutely all which offered their feedback were against this idea Oo

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Hopefully So far it was held three years in a row

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Why is that? 

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Thank you for the kind words. One mention though, you should have phrased "team icopress and GazetaBitcoin". icopress made the master plan and he recruited me :p


So now you have two families  And, as BitcoinGirl.Club anticipated, now you have even more kids  I think you had a premonition when you created your account and you wrote the plural of "family" Congrats for the triple winning!

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Looooooooool! I remember that scene, I laughed like crazy!


I think that any choice would suit you well 

See? it was a proof of obedience

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Oh boy


Loooooooooool! Yes, that was the picture ahahhahahah! Good job finding it! I will save it somewhere now to have it at hand in the future

Pai... presupun ca ei au facut platforma, nu...? Sau crezi ca au luat-o de undeva gata facuta? Ma gandesc si eu ca, chiar si daca vrei sa dai niste tepe de rasunet, tot trebuie sa bagi niste bani la inceput. Macar pentru ambalajul frumos al tepei. In cazul lor, investitia era in software, infrastructura... Partea legata de papagal era si ea musai doar ca asta nu costa nimic. Sau costa si asta, de fapt, daca angajezi pe unii care sa scrie textele sau care sa le prezinte cum trebuie. Adica sa fie intr-atat de convingatori incat sa inceapa lumea sa puna botu'. Oricum, s-au scos ulterior. S-au ales cu milarde de dolari


Eu unul l-as fi mirosit de la bun inceput ca e tigan cioflingar pus pe capatuiala. Dar eu am vazut multe tepe la viata mea. Ma gandesc insa ca sunt si oameni care habar n-au ce este crypto si care s-au lasat atrasi de prieteni care erau deja in sistem. Oameni care chiar au crezut in imbogatirea peste noapte sau care aveau nevoie atat de mare de bani ca au crezut in aceasta "minune". Iar prietenii care erau deja erau acolo tot pentru ca se lasasera amagiti sau din cauza lacomiei ori sau din nevoie de bani. Dar isi dadusera seama ca n-o sa scape niciodata din acel joc vicios si sperau ca, poate, daca-i mai aduc si pe altii au si ei o sansa, cat de mica de a scapa. Si asa, si-au bagat prietenii in groapa. Ca, pe cine sa sapi in ziua de azi? Normal, iti sapi prietenul, nu? /s Ca pe dusman n-ai cum, ca ala se fereste de tine. Si, uite asa, se face un carusel de piese. Si, cand a inceput prima sa cada (vezi disparitia lu' CryptoQueen) -- in sensul ca a fugit cu banii -- au inceput si celelalte, iar bietii oameni aflati deja in sistem au vazut cum raman fara niciun ban.

Okay, au intervanit Politia, Interpol-ul etc.; i-au saltat pe unii dar, dupa cum vezi, apar altii care incearca in continuare sa puna piese in carusel...

Congrats RickDeckard and o_e_l_e_o! And thank you, 1miau, for this crazy, funny and nice raffle! I also thank to hilariousandco for giving us his approval to organize this raffle here 


I will PM him today, in case he does not see the post. If he refuses it I propose to make a short raffle with the participants of the "couch raffle".


I also agree


Awww don't be sad... You are almost making me buy another couch, and make another raffle, for not seeing you sad

Kidding! Let's see the bright part though: the fun will still continue until end of February if your proposal is agreed by the majority 

I was not thinking about a hardware wallet but about a mobile wallet. Anyway, most important is to know what the law says. And even if the law would say "yes, declare crypto amounts greater than 10.000E" it's still a gray situation. Look at it in this way:

• you have an online wallet with more than 10.000E worth of BTC; as it is an online wallet, you don't have it with you. But you can still spend this amount in the country where you travel, right?
• you have a mobile wallet with more than 10.000E worth of BTC; (1) you don't declare it as you believe no custom officer would ever check your phone: if this happens (meaning your phone will not be checked) then you are free to spend the money; (2) you delete it and reinstall it once you are inside the destination country: again, nobody can stop you from spending; (3) you save wallet.dat and upload it on your email then delete the wallet: once you reach your destination you are free to spend as much as you want; (4) you delete and restore the wallet using a pass phrase etc.

In all above cases you are able to cross any border with more than 10.000E in BTC even if the law would say you must declare if you have such amount.

Now think about this: again, let's suppose the law coerces you to declare big amounts. And you declare you have 15.000E in BTC. What will happen? Or what happens if you actually have 15.000E fiat? Or 20.000E? Do they confiscate what's over 10.000E? Would they confiscate your BTC too (what's over 10.000E)?

Then about this: you have BTC worth of 9000E and the law says to declare if you have over 10.000E. In this case you don't declare anything, as you have only 9000E. But while you are in the new country BTC doubles and suddenly you have 18.000E. So you spend 18.000E maybe on some valuable physical goods and you are questioned upon returning: "how did you buy these since you had under 10.000E? Did you have more than 10.000E in BTC and you didn't declare?" -- and so on. Can you justify the provenience of the goods simply by saying that "BTC price doubled so I suddenly had more than 10.000 although on departure I had less"?

Finally, what if someone sends you BTC worth of 50.000E and you buy goods and, again, you are stopped when returning and questioned how you were able to buy the goods. What happens if you say you received this amount through a Bitcoin transaction? Will you be considered a criminal for being able to receive (and spend) such a big amount?

So you see, even if a law would say you should declare crypto amounts greater than 10.000E (and, so far, we did not find any such law), things are still in a gray area. You may easily avoid the law but even in cases where you would not avoid it you may look shady (take the case where you have 9000E in BTC and BTC price soars; you buy goods which value more than 10.000E then you are questioned how you were able to buy them since you did not declare anything upon departure, as you had less than 10.000E in BTC back then).

Avem concurs nou!

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Este re-editarea cunoscutului concurs, cu ocazia anuntarii castigatorilor Bitcointalk Community Awards 🏆.

Se pot castiga urmatoarele: portofel rece, personalizat.


Se alege un numar intre 00 si 99 care nu a fost luat inca, iar cei care au votat in Bitcointalk Community Awards au voie sa aleaga doua numere.
Sunt acceptate doar conturi create inainte de 1 septembrie. Premiul va fi livrat in martie.

Transportul: nespecificat; dar, cel mai probabil, gratuit, daca se pastreaza regula concursurilor anterioare.

You can't create self-moderated topics in Meta.

Lol!


This remember of a guy which showed a sort of office full of muslims, saying this is how they work there and this is why they copy-paste each other or use same crypto addresses... I don't remember exactly the situation but I remember that LoyceV trolled once one of them, quoting his picture of the office and asking him if this was how his workspace looked like Maybe LoyceV remembers and shows that priceless photo It could be used here, to see how Sayeds56 was in same office with shahzadafzal. (Just kidding though.)

Now let me help you out a little about second option you gave

Good job shasan with this topic! I also had in mind to create it but I was not sure if I'll have time to take good care about it. I am glad to see you followed my suggestion and created a revamped thread for post records.  I hope you have more free time than me and be able to update it from time to time.

And, while waiting you to update OP with the screenshots from the old thread, let me be first one who posts a record inside the new thread It's a pic from my l33t moment, but which was not posted in the old thread due to OP's lack of activity.

Now you see how ironic the law is? If you want to act honestly and declare a big amount you'd look suspicious. If you don't declare it and you get caught they'll rob your money and start a criminal investigation against you. So what to do?


Loooool, according tu EU law, yes. He would have been fine also if he tried to smuggle fake gold bars or ones with only 50-60% gold, even if he was smuggling them only to scam. But they were not 99.5% so he were safe =)))

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Looool I am sure that no custom officer would ever stop to ask you at the border if you are carrying a few gold bullions. It's perfectly normal to have (at least) one in each pocket =)))

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Fast food arbitrage? =))) Now that's an appealing idea I may try once!.

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Yup, that's right. It's possible they did not update the website after last update made by European Union. Besides, the French website mentioned digital currency, not cryptocurrency... anyway this could be a debate about semantics. In any case, it seems there is no specification for declaring crypto at the border...

Umm.. seeing that he just posted below your post I believe he was not banned, or not yet. Let's see how things will develop though... If he's lucky enough he'll end up just with having one post deleted, which is not hard to live with. However, even if it will be so, I think he learned his lesson.

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Just curious though: why did you make the post? Since you had clearly absolutely no reason to vote (otherwise you would certainly spend some time to think about who to nominate) why did you make that post?

Excepting the above question, have you ever considered of implications of such behavior in case dozens of users would do it? Imagine someone would nominate multiple users which would not deserve to be nominated and after that a dozen copy-paste his vote. This could lead to (1) having an incorrect winner (or more) and / or (2) to have the one counting votes spending a lot of precious time in vain, just to analyze copy-pasted votes in order to not count them.

Seriously, why act like this? For what purpose?

I thought for a while now (while = some months) about creating a fresh topic for users offering escrow services.

I know there are already two topics on this matter -- Recommended bitcointalk escrow services and ₿ LIST ₿ Bitcointalk's ESCROW providers. However, they are not updated for months. First topic was created in 2017, while second one is from 2013. Author of first topic appears as being last active on Jan 31st but, before that, he was seen online last time in August 2022. And, even if he was online in January, he still did not make any update to his topic. Author of second topic was last seen in November 2022.

Excepting that, the lists provided in both topics are not relevant anymore. Some users are not active anymore, such as John K or bL4nkcode. Some turned into scammers, like yogg or bL4nkcode. Some simply don't want to be listed, such as Hhampuz.

Having these in mind, on Jan 19th I PMed the users from both topics to ask them if they are still offering their escrow services and, if so, to let me know about any update regarding their conditions.

I was thinking to allow a month for replying to me and, in case they would not reply even by then, this would mean that (1) the user is not active anymore, (2) the user is not interested about offering the service anymore or (3) the user does not deserve to be listed anymore. Regarding (3) my thoughts are the following: if you want to offer this service, which implies agility and being fast, how can you do it if you are unable to barely reply to a PM during a month?!

So having all these said, about end of February I would like to create this new topic. I believe it's very important to have an up to date thread, containing users with good reputation offering such services, as otherwise someone new, which does not the shady background of other users from the existing topics, may end up cheated or may end up asking for this service from someone which is not active anymore.

I created current one to explain why I intend to do this, in case some will ask why I started a new thread if there are already two ones.

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Excepting the topic about escrow services I am also thinking about launching a new for registering post records. Similar to the issue with escrow services, there is already such a topic: [WALL OF FAME] ᗌ Save your Postcount - Milestones ᗏ (UPDATED: 16. December 2021. In this case, the author -- SiNeReiNZzz -- disappeared after scamming shasan. As a consequence, nobody can update it anymore.

And, since a revamped thread for merit records was created after the original one became unavailable, I believe that a similar solution should be adopted in this case as well.

The problem is that I don't know if I'll have enough time for updating often this thread. Perhaps someone else can do it, if he is interested and has more time than I have.

Lol!


As I said in my earlier post,


So don't worry, the original poster's nominations are legit. The problem is that some are really too lazy and, for making more posts or for whatever weird reason they may have, they just copy what others nominated, without realizing that by doing so they also influence the results of the competition. And, excepting that the idea itself is weird and unethical, it may also impact some candidates which will receive multiple votes only because someone is too lazy to think about who he thinks is more suitable to a certain category.

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Thank you for the good intentions Now most of the work is done. But if there will be an overwhelming situation in the future, I'll remember your offer.

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Oooops that escalated quickly Oo I was barely trying to say something funny in my earlier post, about reporting for plagiarism, initiating of a flag and negative feedback.

Nevertheless, it actually is plagiarism, although it's a very dumb one I did not actually think to do all those actions. But anyway, it was unfair what the user did, this can't be denied. Let's see the resolution of the report now. This may create a precedent for future contests and, in case the report will be marked as Good and a penalty will be applied to the user then this may be a good incentive for everybody to avoid copy-pasting even it the context is a contest on the forum.

Hmmm nu stiam de acest Mallers... Oricum, foarte tare ce a facut! Si, din ce am vazut in articolul de pe Bitcoin Magazine, a implementat si transferurile dintre S.U.A. si Nigeria, Kenya si Ghana.


Dap, e posibil ca Mallers sa functioneze si pe post de ceasornicar fin pentru ceasurile noastre Serios acum, sa vedem cand intervine si pe piata europeana, ca, pana acum, a lucrat cu celelalte continente. Cred ca din momentul in care intra si in Europa ceasurile noastre intra in linie dreapta pana la termenul in care vor fi reparate drese cat de cat.


Cu placere Aditional, in timp ce citeam trei articole deosebit de interesante ([1], [2], [3]) am gasit intamplator un site de care nu stiam - https://coinmap.org - care arata toate locatiile care accepta BTC din fiecare tara.



Surprinzator, conform pozei de mai sus, Romania este impanzita de astfel de locatii, ceea ce este imbucurator. Mi se pare foarte util site-ul. Nu mai stiam vreunul de genul.


Asa e. Am facut acea mentiune doar ca mi s-a parut interesant. Si sa ramana undeva in arhive informatia aceasta

Hehe, este cu baietii! Foarte frumos din partea lor ca au continuat concursul! Ca si prima data, am sa fac predictiile cat mai aproape de termenele limita.

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In alta ordine de idei, concursul cinstit organizat decelcarevreasa-siachitelocuintacubtc2 s-a incheiat, castigatorul fiind ales in mod corect, corectitudinea fiind garantata de site-ul nou creat de catre bitmover, pe de-o parte, si de stapanul suprem al celor cu obraz gros, pe de alta parte. Jos palaria! Tot in acest context, organizatorul tepar al celeilalte tombole s-a ales cu recenzii negative de la mine si de la inca un membru DT.

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Mai NeuroticFish, ce sa zic -- Te felicit! Se pare ca ai o inclinatie spre predictii, reusind sa castigi la doua concursuri cu predictii deja, si asta in foarte scurt timp  Te-ai gandit sa joci si la loto? Serios acum. De acum incolo cred c-o sa-ti urmaresc predictiile si sa pun si eu niste numere apropiate de ale tale Glumesc. Felicitari inca o data, ma bucur ca ai reusit sa castigi!

Thanks for the link. However, there is no clear statement of the term cryptocurrency... In some fields (in banking, for example) it's written in plain sight that you are not allowed to use the account for incomes obtained from crypto. Therefore I'm thinking that if in some fields the term crypto (or cryptocurrency) is used, it should be also used in case it influences somehow passing the border...

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I never used a centralized exchange nor I ever will They are pure evil and you expose yourself to very high risks by using them. What I was thinking about was a possible situation when someone simply wants to have some backup money crypto with him and, in case he runs out of cash, he could go to a cash-in / cash-out crypto ATM and exchange some crypto with fiat.

The part about not going to spend funds from the wallet and if so there would not be any need to say anything to anyone -- what difference would it make even if they would question you (assuming that they (custom officers) would find out somehow that you're carrying a crypto wallet), then you'd tell them you don't intend to use it and still use it at a crypto ATM? Or at a local shop or restaurant which could accept crypto payments? Nobody would know that you made that transaction, right?

By the way, thinking about this a funny pic came into my mind:

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Just curious, what makes you feel safer in Europe, if you would be in this situation?


This would be even easier


That's a very good question... But, honestly, what do you think the outcome would be in case someone (caught by a customs officer with an undeclared BTC wallet holding more than the equivalent of 10.000E) would try to have this debate with the customs officer? It's hard to imagine the custom officer would have the necessary knowledge or the will to understand that, in fact, you don't physically have BTC, but you only poses private keys which allow you move some coins, if you want to.

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This is what I'm also thinking...

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I made some checks but not even Google is able to answer to this question. However, this is what I found about European Union Cash Controls:


(The part about gold bars may be also an answer for the example given by LoyceV about that Italian smuggling gold bars.)

From what I see, there is no reference to cryptocurrency.

However, even if there would be a reference inside the law (a law which I / we can't find at the moment) for being coerced to declare if you own BTC worth of more than 10.000E -- this would only raise more questions in my head: what happens if you have a wallet with BTC worth of -- let's say -- 8000E (thus you don't declare it when leaving the country) and, when you reach your destination, BTC price soars and your wallet is worth of more than 10.000E without you even thinking about it? They'll simply confiscate your money which value more than 10.000E due to a sudden price growth?

Loooooooool! Only if it would be that easy... heh

About plagiarism -- should I also report it in the adequate thread + give negative feedback and initiate a flag against the plagiarist?

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Umm... I think it would be a very difficult work to do it. If you take a look at the result from 2021 or 2020 you can also see that not all nominees were listed. Only those with at least 3 votes.

On the other side, I think it can be implemented a "code - /code" sequence at the bottom of the topic and list there (obviously, without hyperlinks) the names of all other nominees which are not listed in the upper part, meaning those which had 1 or 2 nominations.


Thanks, I'll do my best!

I understand that everybody is eager to see the results and I am glad to see this wish expressed   Trust me, I am also very eager to see the results posted   We are almost there! In a few days results will be posted.

Until then I will share some statistics and interesting things about current votes!

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- this year we had 166 unique users nominated for 10 categories. Excepting them, some were also nominated as being event or fail of the year Oo

- the greatest number of nominations received by a user was 87

- the biggest difference between a first place and a second place was 62 votes

- franky1 tried to abuse the system, by meriting 2 of those who nominated him as antihero, in order to have less votes at this category (facepalm)

- some users had their votes denied for breaking the "no-merit rule" (such examples are minerjones, which has 2 votes unaccounted, for giving merits to those nominating him (link 1, link 2) or ChiBitCTy, which has one vote denied, for same reason (link))

- votes of Atikah92, BTC_Mouse, burugcrypto, PaperWallet, Popkon6, halim50_ and Rbolisna were not counted, as they have less than 50 merits

- 5 votes for satoshi, 4 for Lauda and 1 for asu were also not counted, due to their inactivity

- some mentions of event / fail of the year were also not counted, as they written with words which did not make any sense ("FAILED TO EARN AND HOLD 1btc", "Situación Actual", "Cancel Culture on social media", "Some exchanges are at war", "Get Your Funds Out of Exchange", "BUY THE DIP AND HODL")

- some votes for nominees which had their name written wrong were merged together (Lafu & Lafu01, Majestic_milf & Majestic_miff, The Sceptical Chymist & The Pharmacist, Timelord2067 & TimeLord, fillippone & Phillippone etc.)

- obvious case of copy=paste votes, such as the ones from the example below, won't be counted anymore:



It's no point to be that lazy, to simply copy-paste a previous vote. Obviously, such cases may be hard to spot, especially if a voter from page 9 of the voting topic will copy someone which posted at page 1 or 2. Still, if such cases will be spotted, the one which copy-pasted will have the votes denied (the votes are still eligible for the initial poster, as this one has nothing to do with the fact that his post was copy-pasted later).

Having that said, I think that in the next few days we'll have final results!