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1241  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Bitgold on: June 24, 2015, 06:39:27 PM
Yeah except this coin has some major fatal flaws. One if they ever get hacked and lose coins (like many exchanges have) the coin is dead. Sure they are "insured by brinks" but that is for the physical gold, if the Bitgold gets hacked they can't issue new coins without adding more gold to the vaults or forking off from before the hack with tons of transactions reversed.

Or vice-versa, if their gold bars get stolen then are their digital assets all of a sudden worth less?

From what I can tell, these bitgold people don't seem to get it that bitcoin is backed by mathematical scarcity, to toss in some minerals seems to undermine that.  That is, it either means that you're mining for free (because the value is actually in the gold, not the POW) or you're paying too much for your gold (because you have to do POW to keep the value of the digital asset, which you can spend + market rate to get the minerals).
1242  Bitcoin / Development & Technical Discussion / Re: 60% of hashrate including 2 major exchanges agree to raise block size to 8MB on: June 24, 2015, 06:30:40 PM
@DumbFruit,

I think I understand the metaphor you're using and your analysis of the costs of increased transactions to the network as a whole vs the costs to the user of a network which is very expensive to send transactions on.  However, I think you're being a little bit extreme and that it's quite possible that a lot of the problems could be eliminated by taking a middle way.  Why shouldn't block size increase a little bit?  Pruning technology should eliminate a lot of the costs to the network which are parallel to your blood swelling analogy.  If we can prune blocks and set a dynamic limit on block sizes such that a target confirmation time on a well-formed tranasaction with a "standard" fee is acheived on average, wouldn't this fit with the way we do things w.r.t. difficulty?  Other aspects of the network have these dynamic controls, it seems to me that block-size could do this as well and we'd be on the way to worrying about something else.

Sure, it's a bit extreme. It's not like increasing the block size from 1MB to 2MB will usher in Armageddon. As others have pointed out many times, the progress of economies and technology could make it so a blockchain of a larger size in the future would be less burdensome on the network than the current blockchain today.

That's all well and good, the issue that I would like to stress is that in all scenarios a centralized agency will always be better equipped to handle large amounts of transactions quickly and cheaply. Bitcoin will never be able to out-compete them on that field.
But like all things, these qualities are gradient.  If bitcoin isn't able to handle some volume of transactions for some amount of quickness and cheapness then it's going to be useless for any purpose.  I think you're corrrect to take the mentality of "don't try to be all things to all people" or "focus on your strengths", etc; but again, if we focus on our strengths to the point of ignoring our weaknesses altogether then that's not really a winning strategy either.

One thing I saw from the "stress test" was that it's far to easy for a joker to backlog the network quite a bit.  Now, as you say, increasing the block size from 1MB to 2MB certainly wouldn't risk armageddon.  But I'd go further and say that if such a small change increases the price of perpetrating armageddon (ie, a stress-test scenario) by 100%, that may be a real gain in robustness for all bitcoin users.  What I'm trying to suggest is that it seems to me that the coinwallet people were able to pull off what they pulled off far too cheaply.  I think making that kind of manourver more expensive could be a real asset to the network.
1243  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Technical Support / Re: Centos 6.5 and Bitcoin on: June 24, 2015, 06:08:08 PM
I'd like to know more generally what's going on with the berkleydb ( 4.8 ).  I was building an altcoin (a bitcoin clone) on debian the other day and I also had to jump through some hoops.  I guess I'm looking for an answer to either of these complementary questions:

1) why does bitcoin-core (and clones) use a db that's not in the repos of standard distros?
2) why do standard distros not have this db?
1244  Economy / Marketplace / Re: Cost of Bitcointalk Accounts. on: June 24, 2015, 05:24:14 PM
usually you can compare like 3-4 threads, and if their prices are all over the place then I`d say there isnt a solid price.

but if theres usually a similar figure then its what most people expect.

exactly; accounts here are only worth what people are willing to pay for them, not what sellers or other people say theyre worth.

Actually you can't ignore what the sellers say either.  If seller's won't sell for less than X and buyers won't pay more than Y and X > Y then nothing will get sold and the price will be unknown.  The price isn't what buyers are willing to pay or what sellers are willing to sell for, it's both.  The price is what actually happens when those two groups meet each other.
1245  Bitcoin / Development & Technical Discussion / Re: A scaled up spam experiment : #SpamTheBlockchain As A Service on: June 24, 2015, 04:14:53 PM
Yesterday I made a few transactions with Bitcoin Core, with a moderate transaction fee ("estimated to begin confirmation within 12 blocks"). No drama whatsoever, all transactions confirmed within the next block.

I guess the network is more resilient than many think.

Did you happen to look at the size of the mempool at the moment you sent?  I'm pretty sure, based on the time in which you wrote "yesterday" that you actually missed the stress test by about 24 hours.  Nevertheless, even if you had been sending at the height of the congestion, obviously with a stochastic process your mileage may vary.  My experience, and yours, are merely anecdotal.  The big picture is what matters.
1246  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Ultimate Bitcoin Stress Test - Monday June 22nd - 13:00 GMT on: June 24, 2015, 04:09:44 PM
I think the fee should be a function of the number of unconfirmed tx at the time of sending. Would this work? Clients need to be more intelligent.


The transaction fee is totally optional. If you don't want to get enough priority and can wait for the age to be higher so it can be accepted without fees or with a low value, it's OK.

Please read: https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Transaction_fees

yes, yes of course. What I'm proposing is that in addition to the tx size, the client should also consider the size of the mempool when "proposing" a fee.

Well, the actual clients don't propose fees, they only have a fixed value on them.

Depends on your client.  I read somewhere (maybe upthread here, I can't recall, there's been a bunch of similar discussions on this) that the latest Multibit allows the user to set the transaction fee to anywhere between 1kSat and 10kSat per KB.

@DarkHyudrA: I think that it would be very good to see clients looking at the size of mempool when suggesting a fee and allowing a user to change that based on the importance of a quick confirmation for the transaction at hand.  If I'm eating at a restaurant and paying to a coinbase address, I don't really care if it confirms in 10 minutes or tomorrow, the restaurant is going to get paid and coinbase will eventually my money.  But if I'm buying into a poker game that starts in an hour and I need 2 confirmations to the join the game, that's a completely different situation.
1247  Other / Meta / Re: Activity & new membergroup limits on: June 24, 2015, 04:03:50 PM
I didn't say all members, but it's logical as time goes on that Legendary will become more and more common and as common as Hero is now and the longer time passes this becomes even more so. If the new ranks double in time every time they're added it will be fine though you could make the existing ranks longer to achieve.

Looking more closely at what you said, I'm not sure that I actually disagree with you.  My point was sort of that if you were to look at the probability mass of Hero or Legendary as a propotion of all accounts then I'd suspect they aren't actually getting more common on that metric, or at least not very much more common.  And I'm thinking that if you had only one more rank (maybe two) that you'd see those proportions stabilize due to account loss/inactivity.  Maybe we agree then?
1248  Economy / Gambling / Re: sawdice the New Age of Dice - Let's play a game. on: June 24, 2015, 03:53:48 PM

Sawdice, "enought" -> "enough".  FWIW, it's probably worth running your ad copy through a spell-checker (they're free and available everywhere!).  Spelling errors in large posters look embarrassing.
1249  Economy / Games and rounds / Re: DirectBet Soccer Prediction Game *** Win Free Bets ! *** Free to Enter ! on: June 24, 2015, 02:39:23 PM
Chile 0  Uruguay 4
1250  Other / Meta / Re: Activity & new membergroup limits on: June 24, 2015, 02:24:58 PM
New ranks can be added when and if neccesary. Eventually Legendary will become as common as Hero so something will likely have to change.

I'm not sure that's completely true.  We have to assume that some accounts are abandoned, lost, etc.  You may be right that Theymos may add more ranks, but I think that as long as some group of people quit and never come back (at each rank) then successively harder ranks should become rarer and rarer.  At this moment a lot of the older ranks are merely here because they got started before more recent accounts.   But eventually, if you add enough ranks, the attrition rate should mean that you could have a top rank which had a stable portion against lower ranks merely because of the fact that some people are going to quit,lose their account, or die.
1251  Other / Meta / Re: VOD should be removed from default trust for systematic abuse of his position on: June 24, 2015, 06:05:29 AM

If you would consider you helping me to prove I'm not an impostor by (a cited, uneditable) sig and do something positive for flawed the system (plausibly staff would remove it then since you are a respected member of the community), I'd appreciate it.

PM me if you would do that for me.

LaudaM is a respected person, but staff is not going to remove feedback from your account.  Their stated policy is that they don't get involved in such matters.  On my own account I have several feedbacks which are pure nonsense and there's nothing I can do about it.  A lot of members have nonsense feedback on their accounts.  The best you can do is try to get the person who left it to remove it,  barring that you can put your proof in a public place and link to it (as a reference, say, in a counter feedback on the person who left the nonsense).  Then anyone who sees what that person said about you will scroll down and see what you said about them and that you've posted proof that their claim isn't correct.

Good luck!
1252  Bitcoin / Development & Technical Discussion / Re: A scaled up spam experiment : #SpamTheBlockchain As A Service on: June 24, 2015, 05:20:14 AM
Queueing, but no catastrophe so far...

Most of the craziness went down yesterday.  I got caught in it and a standard transaction (with a standard fee) took 8 hours to confirm.  I read that these guys are planning on doing this again next Monday.  I, for one, will be avoiding sending transactions this next time and will enjoy it on the sidelines, with popcorn, where I should have been last time.
1253  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: MicroGuy's Altcoin Pick of the Week (Inside Scoop) on: June 24, 2015, 05:18:16 AM
Is Navajocoin related to Mazacoin? I see they share the same "folk" approach with a indigenous sonding name. I remember investing in MZC, something like 0.2, and I got burned, the thing crashed the next day, Payus sort of dissappear.. with time it just went to a few hundred satoshis. It was souding good with all those official papers of it being accepted by a tribe as the official currency, but it all ended up in nothing, I have no idea if some other devs picked the project up or something. I still got them lol, they show up on my portfolio trading for 67 in Cryptsy... great deal.

Navajo does use the indigenous sounding name but because of WW2 cryptography (wiki code talker).  Not some wishy washy thing like Maza which was built on lies that confused and ultimately exploited investors.  Especially those in Europe and Asia who are ignorant about the internal matters of the US and bought the claims that there was a sovereign Maza nation and/or  that indigenous poverty can be solved by their own currency (false - a start to fixing that would be the restoration of the hereditary system and land redistribution of the tribal lands, because the status quo means nobody can use it as equity to take out loans and access to capital is a necessity in capitalism to prosper).

It's important to recall that the Navajo are now just code talkers from WW2 but a contemporary nation of people with rights.  It's really a shame that NAV is perpetrating more of the historical abuses of indigenous peoples by failing to recognize that the only people who have the right to call themselves Navajo (and to make money from this name) are the Navajo and anyone that they've contracted with for use of the name.  It's doubly a shame because the NAV team really wants to honor the Navajo, I think. But you can't honor someone by using their name without permission.
1254  Economy / Service Discussion / Re: Is this user cheating coinomat ? on: June 24, 2015, 05:09:06 AM
EDIT: Are embedded images also counted as characters? How about URLs? If they are counted then it's possible that someone could insert 1x1 pixel images or single character hyperlinks to their posts to make it look as though it's longer than it actually is.

The thing is that people who do this aren't really going to last long at it.  Sooner or later someone is going to hit "quote" and then "WTF are all these images?" and then busted.  And then you're going to be in a lot of shit because you're clearly trying to game the system.  It's really pretty foolish, IMO.  I mean you may get away with this silliness for a little bit of time but in the long run it's clear that it's going to cost you a lot when you consider all you could have made by not getting negative trust and removed from the campaign and labelled as a cheater.

Any technique that relies on putting weird stuff into a post so that a bot will read it is going to fail in this way as soon as someone clicks the quote button.
1255  Bitcoin / Project Development / Re: BitcoinTalk game on: June 23, 2015, 07:17:46 PM
You can also fight various bosses like Dooglus

When can I pre-order? I'm extremely interested in being able to play this game for...ehm...educational and testing purposes...

Any alpha copies? Wink

Is my representation of dooglus accurate? I wasnt sure if i made him look good enough. He is not the only boss of course, you will be able to fight Vod, theymos and many others.
I wasnt sure if i wanted to make Quickseller a boss so instead i made him the merchant of the game.

For quickseller you need to also have him splitting out into many different anonymous alts.  Smiley

Looks like a fun game, I'll give it a whirl tomorrow, erm, I mean, when you release it.

You can try the super early alpha, theres a link somewhere in this thread but probably this week or maybe next week theres going to be a new version avaliable, a little bit better

I just checked and found out it's a Windows .exe file.  I guess there's two issues for me on that:

1) I don't run windows (GNU/Linux)
2) I almost never run precompiled binaries that don't also have source code available

So I'm guessing this isn't targeted at me Smiley  I had thought it was gonna run in a browser for some reason.  Let me know if you ever make a cross-platform version.

Cheers and good luck!
1256  Bitcoin / Development & Technical Discussion / Re: 60% of hashrate including 2 major exchanges agree to raise block size to 8MB on: June 23, 2015, 06:56:34 PM
@DumbFruit,

I think I understand the metaphor you're using and your analysis of the costs of increased transactions to the network as a whole vs the costs to the user of a network which is very expensive to send transactions on.  However, I think you're being a little bit extreme and that it's quite possible that a lot of the problems could be eliminated by taking a middle way.  Why shouldn't block size increase a little bit?  Pruning technology should eliminate a lot of the costs to the network which are parallel to your blood swelling analogy.  If we can prune blocks and set a dynamic limit on block sizes such that a target confirmation time on a well-formed tranasaction with a "standard" fee is acheived on average, wouldn't this fit with the way we do things w.r.t. difficulty?  Other aspects of the network have these dynamic controls, it seems to me that block-size could do this as well and we'd be on the way to worrying about something else.
1257  Economy / Gambling / Re: What is the sporting bet site with bitcoins? on: June 23, 2015, 06:49:23 PM
There are no good bitcoin sports books for proffesional betting  Angry

What could be more professional than simply sending your bets to a bet address and receiving the payout immediately with no issues?  I wish you'd say what you think is lacking in directbet.eu.  I admit that I'm not a "professional" sports gambler, but I've been more than satisfied.
1258  Economy / Services / Re: Up to 0.035 BTC weekly for YOUR SIGNATURE *New rules on: June 23, 2015, 06:29:42 PM
Im looking forward for this campaign when I'll reach Full Member in 3months lol.

But 75 characters right? How about the space in words does it count? For example :

I(space)am(space)happy = 10characters

or

I(space)am(space)happy = 8characters

Which of these is counted?

All of that counted in bot
but in manual ceck spasi is not counted

Thanks Sir. But which of those post will be paid automatically?

Dude,

l=post.length();
if(l<75) alert("you don't get paid for this");

This is the way scripts work.  They aren't thinking, they're applying rules.  If you're focused on the rules and what you will or won't get paid for then you're probably missing the point and you're going to get banned for spamming silliness around the forum.   And FWIW, it looks like https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1097344.new#new is going to mean that there's going to be further checking so the crucial point is this: write normal things that you want say to other humans and don't sweat whether you get paid.  If you take that mentality, then you'll have fun and make a little money too.  If you start counting spaces in your posts to try to game the system, you're going to end up with negative reputation or worse (banned).

1259  Economy / Services / Re: DA DICE Signature Campaign 2.O - Pay Per Post & Fixed Campaign Thread on: June 23, 2015, 02:53:32 PM
@ndnhc What's the deal with the avatar campaign?  I searched and the forum search didn't seem to be able to turn up the thread on it.  Link me?

Cheers!
1260  Economy / Games and rounds / Re: DirectBet Soccer Prediction Game *** Win Free Bets ! *** Free to Enter ! on: June 23, 2015, 02:45:29 PM
Czech 1  Germany 4
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