I have to admit I sorta hate this binary mindset that some people on here exhibit where someone is a scammer and someone else is a non-scammer and as if that describes accurately the world we live in.  In point of fact, there are all kinds of shades of grey and degrees of negative behavior.  Satements like "that guy is a scammer, no excuses or bullshit" seem to ignore the fact that if he pays back eventually, that is clearly better behavior than never paying back at all.  And to talk this way, as if the world is a collection of scammers and non-scammers is in fact a misleading dichotomy which only adds confusion and rankor.  If someone makes a mistake and then tries to clear it up, it's clearly better than not trying to clear it up.  I just have become quite sick and tired of this binary scammer/non-scammer thing, I just don't think it's helpful.

Maidak,

I, for one, appreciate that you gave replies on-thread to everyone's questions.  In the end, being open about your situation and making a plan to repay and sticking to it are the only options for recovering your reputation.  Anyway, I'm just glad you're still here talking to people and I hope all gets worked out soon.

I know this software is closed-source and proprietary so we can't expect a github where we can see which commits address which issues.  But I wonder if the devs could open up the issue tracker, or make a public one, so that it'll be easier to tell what issues have been reported, whether a fix has been submitted, etc.

Unless you're talking about the result of a particular match, such a question is an opinion question

Anyway, I don't know if you saw it that USA was eliminated last night by Jamaica.  So it will be Mexico v Jamaica in the final.  If, perhaps, you're wondering whether Mexico is much better than Jamaica, you'll have an answer on Sunday afternoon!

I know some threads are long and hard to read all of them.  But here you're replying to the OP of this 2 month old thread without even looking half-way down the first page:


If you want to bump a thread and give echo-like answers, at least read the first page before answering

On the other hand, the fact that he's still intending to try to climb back and pay everyone back in encouraging.  I think that's a good sign, on the whole.

It must have been a while ago, I think PD uses a fresh deposit addy for each deposit nowadays.  In any case, 0.05BTC is not dust, so I wish you luck turning it into 0.5BTC. 

I'm sorta in the opposite boat.  I wanna make an account (to claim my old sealswithclubs account) but I don't have the OS to support the client.  In either case, I hope a working browser solution can come out soon.  We're already more than halfway through 2015.  I hope I can get back to bitcoin poker before 2016.

I think you're right that they may have been a bit naieve about what it takes to get something off the ground and running.  It does seem a little like they though that the quality of their site and an open line of communication on the forums would be enough---it's kinda a shame that it's not enough, really.  But in the end, I think you're right that they seem to have underestimated the difficulty and the crucialness of doing successful marketing.

Still, the site quality was good.  It's a shame it didn't take off.

Actually, I agree completely.  If a new owner comes in with a new plan then perhaps all will win.  The old owner for getting things started and hopefully getting a good price on a sale.  The new owner for hopefully doing a successful follow-up/reboot.  And all of us for having a browser-accessible, cross-platform bitcoin poker site.  It could be great!

I'm glad to hear from you.  I guess I'm mainly surprised that you would have taken the time to block pms from me, I don't know if I offended you ever, but I certainly have no grievance with you, as far as I know.   In fact, last time you put QS on your list I recall that you very smoothly brokered peace in this unneccesary situation very effectively.  When I saw you had QS back on your list, I was actually happy to see it was you for figuring that you would have him remove his attacks once you saw he had readded them after you had let him go the first time.  Thus my surprise at PM block.

Anyway, as I said, it seems unfortunate that we're doing this publically rather than privately, but here it is: can you talk to quickseller about how he might be appeased to remove his negative rating upon my account?  I have a long reputation of being helpful and causing no harm and the last 4 months of fighting with him over some false allegations has really taken a toll.  What can I do?  Can you help?

--TSP

You don't mix things, MZ.  I admited that I was experimenting with bots using TFs approval and help.  I admited that there were a million bots on that site and that I was merely one of many people experiminting and learing about the API. I admitted that it was my first time dealing with asynchronous code and that I made mistakes.  I never found out if or how much I might have gotten from any mistakes because TF was making up numbers (lying!) about how much he wanted repaid.  If he had been more reasonably, it's completely possible that I owe him 10Ksat or something like that.  However, he wouldn't be talked to about it.  He merely said PAY BACK X OR BE BANNED.  And every time he said X it was different.  His first X was like 1.5 bitcoin which I didn't even have at the time (it was waaaaay more than I had withdrawn from his site, ever), then he started picking other numbers but wouldn't say how he was generating them.  Sounds a lot like a scammer himself, right?  Well, what has history shown us here?  And what would you do in such a situation?


You have no idea what happened on that site or what my motivations were and neither does QS. That is the whole issue here, QS has spammed my trust rating with 3 separate acccounts (trust abuse?) over something which is merely an unsubstantiated allegation from a completely discredited source.  You don't know anything about that site or it's rules and neither does he.  He just found something which he thinks is okay to make some kind of smear attack on me with and he's clinging to it for months now as he tries to do as much damage to me as possible.  He goes on and off of default trust because of these vendettas and anger-sessions.  XinXan, if you want to participate in this topic helpfully, try to stick to things you have first hand knowledge of.  When you spread a lie started by TF, echoed by QS, echoed by QS's alt, echoed by you (are you one of QS's alts?) then that's a rumor mill and it has nothing to do with the truth.

I could.  But I think it's only fair to contact them first, since what they said to me was that they don't want to be associated with criticizing him.  I would only reveal these people if they okayed it explicitly because they clearly told me they didn't want to speak up for fear of negative repurcussions.  I hope you understand.


I find it extremely surprising because I don't know tomatocage well at all, I have posted the entirety of my conversations with him above, and as you can see there was nothing but a short and civil exchange.  That he would have added QS to his list and then immediately blocked me seems weird to me.  For a moment I thought that perhaps he was pm blocking everything and simply looking for correspondence with email.  I emailed him at that moment but haven't heard back.  I don't want to start to many rumors, but there was this weird thing where QS was selling a default trust account, it seems too "conspiracy theory"-like to be true, but notice:

1) QS selling default trust account
2) QS making a public threat to "stop me" in a thread three days ago
3) TC readding QS and blocking pms from tspacepilot just after.

I would love it if anyone who does have contact with TC could confirm that he's aware of this situation and perhaps pass along some rationale about why he wouldn't like to discuss it.  I'm just finding his closed-door suspciously different from what happened last time I contacted him.


If I have trolled QS, it was only in defense of my own reputation, which he made threats against and trolled using many accounts across many threads for months.  If I were to document all of the insults and threads in which he or an alt of his has attacked me it would fill more a small book at this point.   He's not only trolled me, but cost me money now on more than one occassion.  We know that when I admit he has cost me money he sits back and laughs, because his ultimate goal here is to cause me pain because for some reason he has chosen that I am some kind of mortal enemy to him.  Belive me, I really just want the harrassment and lies against me to end.  And I am finding it shockingly unbelievable that someone who behaves this way is getting trusted by the real TC.

What can I do here, people?  How long can this kind of randomly stupid abuse be allowed?

Could be, I'm not an expert at this stuff although I do have a little bit of experience.  Anyway, it looks like it's just a warning, did you try to run it on the computer you compiled on?  If that's the target machine, it might not matter at all that what you've compiled isn't portable.

Thanks for weighing in, BB.  I guess I'm kinda shocked to find that he's ignoring me given our very short and cordial conversations in the past.  I think there's nothing personal in here, so I want to go ahead and publish it.  This is the entire contact history between me and tomatocage:




And the next morning:


We haven't spoken since.  Isn't it a little weird that he would have preemptively blocked me from asking him about this situation before adding QS back to his list.  It may be that when he added QS, QS told him that he had re-burned tspacepilot and that he wouldn't be changing it this time, I don't know.


I would love to "work it out with QS" but he's really not offering any chance to do so.  (1) He's appearing in this thread above, literally mocking me and teasing with money for someone who can "convince him" but it's clear that's an impossible task; (2) It's not even clear what he wants (except to cost me money and to hurt me)---he has no involvment or knowledge of the original situation he claims to be defending.  If he would come out with some list of things he wants in order to forgive, I'd try to do them.  I dunno, it's hard to imagine paying a bribe to make him leave me alone, but I really cannot figure out how he will be satisfied beyone my death or something.  Curiously, only a few days ago he was issuing threats to me on another thread about "making sure I would be stopped".  Do you guys need me to quote this stuff for you?  Maybe I should before he edits it, but I'm just not as workaholic at trying to bring down quickseller as he is at bringing down me.  I don't have any issues here except this dude attacking me.  Why can't I get anyone to at least justify the attack.

What your negative rating by someone on default trust?  Were you kicked out of a signature ad campaign?  Were you being smeared endlessly for months over something you didn't do?  If so, then I admire your ability to "walk away and start again", but after 3 years on this forum with absolutely no issues, I just can't accept that QS can walk up and start making up lies and take away my income.  That seems completely unjust.  And I think you know it.

What's terrible is this, I keep getting PMs in the last few days from people saying that they're sorry about what I'm going through with QS and this default trust nonsense (again!)---that they appreciate me standing up to QS.  When I say to them, why don't you speak up in public if you've got an issue with him, they just write that there's no way they'd cross him in public because they see what he's doing to me.  That he is online writing hundreds of posts per day and will take them down just like he's taking me down.  Basically, dude is about as big a bully as you can imagine, people are scared to speak up to him.  Worhipper was neg-repped merely for refusing to do business with him.  ndnhc was false accuse and possibly framed by him.  I am still being attacked by him.  He's neg-repped me with up to 3 alts (isn't this against the rules?).  What can we do to end this nonsense?

It's a strange distraction from you that you're offering some kind of bounty to "convince" you when we all know that you are unconvincable on this issue.

A major starting point if you actually wanted to work this out would be for you to admit that you have no direct knowledge of what happened at coin chat and that you are siding with a known liar in trying to defame me.  You should admit that you made a mistake when you tried to take discredited lies as evidence against someone.  You have now neg-repped me with three separate accounts, you should own up to this as trust abuse and remove the negative ratings.

With respect to tomatocage, it's not very clear to me why wouldn't hear a PM.  I won't post his private communication with me here unless he give me permission to do so, but the gist of it was that he would try to get you to change your rating to a neutral, given the ancientness of the mud you were trying to dig up and the lack of any firsthand knowledge by of you the situation.  Presumably you did this as he wrote to me the next day saying, "ratings changed to a neutral, please adjust your ratings", which I did.  I have not written to him since then.  I think it's not unexpected that I would write to him seeing that (1) you've changed your feedback back to negative---ie, undoing the peace he brokered (2) he's readded you to his list --- making your false accusations = real damage.  Why he wouldn't answer me is not something I can speculate about.  My guess/hope is that he merely has everyone PM blocked and wants communication through email.  I dunno.

Here's the thing, you started trolling me nearly 4 months ago now, and as far as I can tell, this was only motivated by the fact that you didn't like that I called you out for your hot temper.  At each stage in this saga, I've resisted, told the truth, made public what you were doing to me and at each stage of this saga, your reputation has gone down accordingly.  You keep getting taken back off these trust lists that you so dearly want to be on because you're needlessly fucking with me (and how many others?).  If you could calm down and focus on actual scammers instead of personal vendettas you might actually be able to achieve this power play you keep on trying for.

Me?  I keep wishing the damn thing was over.  How long do I have to be trolled by you and by how many random accounts?  When are you going to finally be either off of the default trust for good or be finally done with your needless  persecution of me.

Finally, your offer is a joke.  You may as well say, I'll give all my btc to the first person who convinces me to leave tspacepilot alone.  We all know you wont be convinced, so the offer isn't real and it provides some sort of strange diversion to the real issue which is this:  who the fuck do you think you are to make a 6 month mission out of trolling someone who is not doing anyone any wrong.  I hang out on the technical discussion pages and help people compile bitcoind for linux.  I write a bit in the gambling pages.  What on earth is your problem that you cannot swallow your pride and move along?

If you have a compiler, why not go ahead and build from source so that you know there's not weird files being bundled with your binary.  Or, if you don't have a compiler, maybe download one (it's not too hard).

Finally, if there's no way to build from source yourself then you could at least check the binary that it was signed by the armory people's keys.  I assume there's some kind of key-signature way to download their packages (I've never used them myself), but if a bitcoin wallet didn't have some kind of key/signing on the package I'd be very surprised.

If you don't want to rehash then you're going to have to avoid writing these kinds of half-truths which are as good as lies in that they mislead.  What I admitted to was experminting with a bot using TF's approval and knowledge, he even helped me with it.  Then him booting me and making up various and arbitary amounts that he said I owed him.  I never figured out if/whether I owed him anything because he wasn't reasonable to talk to about it.  He just said "pay back X" but everytime X was a different amount and often it was more than I had ever even owned at the time.  TF and I walked away from this 3 years ago and that was that but then QS comes along, with zero knowledge of the situation, and makes TF's false accusations his accusations.   And we all know that he did this not realizing that (1) I would make a stink and fight back on this nonsense (2) it would actually cost him reptuation points because he's siding with a known liar.  Now, 4 months later, I'm still dealing with it and you tell me what I should do MZ?  When someone falsely comes after you quoting some lies of a discredited person, are you going to roll over and delete your account?  Or are you going to stand up and say that what's going on is wrong and that you're being attacked?  I'm under attack from this dude for like 4 months now, he only last week made some threat against me.  I don't know what I'm supposed to do.
If writing to him once, receiving a reply, him replying that all is solved, I write back with "thank you for your intervention" is some kind of harrassment, then you guys are from another planet than me.

Serious answer: I seriously doubt it.  We discussed QS last time he was on his list and it was a very productive exchange of like 3 PMs where TC was able to convice QS to change his ratings to a neutral.  I would be very suprised if he decided to block me after those PMs.  Last once I received from him was saying "problem solved, please adjust your ratings accordingly" and I did so and changed mine to neutral as wellI would like to avoid that.  I found that public sparring with QS doesn't help and I'd like to resolve this nonsense.

I'll send an email.  But as for you advice that I make a thread like this one, well (t's already done!).

I'm glad you think he's generally trustworthy, and I know he often cites himself as having these 95% accuracy rates, but that info generally comes from him (or did you do some quantitative analysis of his accuracy?  if so, how did you get relevant data?).  But even if you're right that he's correct 95% of the time, I'm in the 5%.  I won't rehash the story here, but if you check into it you can see how he's been trolling me using 3 different accounts for almost 4 months now.  I don't know how to get him off my back but his only accusation on me is that he says I defrauded a known liar, and he's using the liar's word for it as "evidence".  QS is angry as fuck and vindictive as a mafioso---I've heard a lot from people in PM recently saying to me "thank you for calling out quickseller for his temper, I'd say something in public but I'm afraid he'd come after me".  Dude is a huge bully and I just want him to leave me alone.


I have now sent him an email.  I did write to him last time he had QS on his list, but only once, and then he responded.  And it actually went well because he was able to convince QS to change his ratings to neutrals---presumably he was able to show him the reason in not blindly echoing tradefortress.  But as soon as QS was removed from his list he changed the ratings back to negatives and even opened a new account and trolled me with that.  As recently as last week he was making a threat against my---saying that "I would be stopped or else!".  In any case, now that TC has added him again, I'd like to speak with TC about getting QSs lies changed back to neutral---as he did last time.