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681  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: June 26, 2014, 04:08:25 AM
We currently have more market depth than we did 24 hours ago.

Where is the implosion?

I am disappoint.


It seems that the daily ichimoku cloud isn't ready to be penetrated yet. There might be another small rally before it finally happens in July.
682  Economy / Speculation / Re: Race to launch NY’s first regulated bitcoin exchange - 6/25/2014 on: June 26, 2014, 04:04:29 AM
Is there actually any new information here or are they just summarizing what occured in March-April and what the author hopes for?

Well the fact that the article says that the regulations should be out in early July is news to me.

We knew it was slightly delayed from end of June, but if thats true its great news.
There is no source for the early July target being 'news' - This is simply based on what Lawsky said in March. Since then, there has been no public information about advancements with the regulations at all.

And they should be making public updates why?
I didn't say that they should.
If you won't say it I will.  NY Dept of Financial Svces should issue updates.
Can you pronounce the word "democracy"?
That's a different topic. My point is that the reporter is representing information as if it is new when it is not new and there is no evidence of it being new.

You don't know that there isn't evidence. He sighted 4 sources.
4 old sources. Nothing new.
683  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: June 26, 2014, 02:19:51 AM
It looks like the diehard bitfinex traders are just keep taking more and more margin positions, until they all get liquidated somehow.
684  Economy / Service Discussion / Re: Best exchange for daytrade? on: June 26, 2014, 02:18:28 AM
Bitfinex currently has the highest volume of USD exchanges and offers 2.5:1 margin. The interest can get high on long positions but if you're just daytrading then it doesn't matter. Bitfinex also offers trading of litecoin and darkcoin (though the volume is low). However, there may be other factors you want consider before deciding to trade there. I cannot vouch for the trustworthiness of the exchange nor can I vouch for the trustworthiness of any other exchange. I actually wouldn't recommend daytrading at all on any exchange these days because the volume and volatility are so low that it is difficult as well as not worth the risks.
685  Economy / Speculation / Re: Stop talking about the damn SR coins - it is the LEAST significant price mover on: June 26, 2014, 01:59:26 AM
I don't usually post here but there is so much FUD spread in this post I couldn't abstain myself from commenting

The suggestion that the governement is selling coins because somehow they found an exploit in the bitcoin protocol or any of the elements mentionned after is some of the most ridiculous stuff I've had the misfortune to read on this board. Anyone even entertaining these thoughts need to get checked cause something ain't right with their heads



I'm not suggesting that any of those things are true;  I'm suggesting that those types of thoughts have affected the sentiment of buyers. The average investor is very irrational and emotional, and would think that type of thing. See my use of quotation marks in the post.
686  Economy / Speculation / Re: Stop talking about the damn SR coins - it is the LEAST significant price mover on: June 25, 2014, 11:05:37 PM
Where did they get the 500k coins?
There are silkroad's coins, Ross's personal coins, and also the coins from some other dealer they arrested. It actually might be much more than 500k. Maybe 1M.

Source? I thought it was 140,000
140,000 is just the site wallet for silkroad users.  Then there is Ross's 400k and about 400k from that dealer which occured more recently.

are you sure? isn't 30k going for sale now bitcoins from the site wallet and users and 140k is ross ulbricht personal stash?
You know what - I'm not 100% sure. My apologies if it is incorrect. Whatever the total amount is, it is much bigger than 30K. I seem to recall hearing 'The government now owns 5% of bitcoins' somewhere.

AFAIK the 30k is from the Silk Road and there is another other 140k that is from Ross Ulbricht.

This is correct. TERA is just bear trolling like usual.
You are the one trolling. This topic has no price prediction attached to it so what does it have to do with 'bear'?
687  Economy / Speculation / Re: Race to launch NY’s first regulated bitcoin exchange - 6/25/2014 on: June 25, 2014, 11:02:17 PM
Is there actually any new information here or are they just summarizing what occured in March-April and what the author hopes for?

Well the fact that the article says that the regulations should be out in early July is news to me.

We knew it was slightly delayed from end of June, but if thats true its great news.
There is no source for the early July target being 'news' - This is simply based on what Lawsky said in March. Since then, there has been no public information about advancements with the regulations at all.

And they should be making public updates why?
I didn't say that they should.
If you won't say it I will.  NY Dept of Financial Svces should issue updates.
Can you pronounce the word "democracy"?
That's a different topic. My point is that the reporter is representing information as if it is new when it is not new and there is no evidence of it being new.
688  Economy / Speculation / Re: Race to launch NY’s first regulated bitcoin exchange - 6/25/2014 on: June 25, 2014, 10:57:20 PM
Is there actually any new information here or are they just summarizing what occured in March-April and what the author hopes for?

Well the fact that the article says that the regulations should be out in early July is news to me.

We knew it was slightly delayed from end of June, but if thats true its great news.
There is no source for the early July target being 'news' - This is simply based on what Lawsky said in March. Since then, there has been no public information about advancements with the regulations at all.

And they should be making public updates why?
I didn't say that they should.
689  Economy / Speculation / Re: Bitcoin Prices Down on Spike in Selling on: June 25, 2014, 10:53:59 PM
Selling? I see a lack of buying. I dont see selling. Look at the volume.
690  Economy / Speculation / Re: Race to launch NY’s first regulated bitcoin exchange - 6/25/2014 on: June 25, 2014, 10:51:31 PM
Is there actually any new information here or are they just summarizing what occured in March-April and what the author hopes for?

Well the fact that the article says that the regulations should be out in early July is news to me.

We knew it was slightly delayed from end of June, but if thats true its great news.
There is no source for the early July target being 'news' - This is simply based on what Lawsky said in March. Since then, there has been no public information about advancements with the regulations at all.
691  Economy / Speculation / Re: Stop talking about the damn SR coins - it is the LEAST significant price mover on: June 25, 2014, 10:44:02 PM
Nobody is participating in an international market manipulation conspiracy (which might not even be profitable) so that they can acquire 3,000*[1-9] bitcoins from the U.S. Marshall for their investment firm.

The selling pressure is really strong for the past 24 hours, Is it a coincidence?
Actually the selling pressure is not strong. There is a lack of buying pressure. Stamp and finex each have 10K volume and btce has 5K volume. These volume levels are very low. It is more of a reflection of a loss of faith by investors.
692  Economy / Speculation / Re: Stop talking about the damn SR coins - it is the LEAST significant price mover on: June 25, 2014, 10:37:19 PM
Where did they get the 500k coins?
There are silkroad's coins, Ross's personal coins, and also the coins from some other dealer they arrested. It actually might be much more than 500k. Maybe 1M.

Source? I thought it was 140,000
140,000 is just the site wallet for silkroad users.  Then there is Ross's 400k and about 400k from that dealer which occured more recently.

are you sure? isn't 30k going for sale now bitcoins from the site wallet and users and 140k is ross ulbricht personal stash?
You know what - I'm not 100% sure. My apologies if it is incorrect. Whatever the total amount is, it is much bigger than 30K. I seem to recall hearing 'The government now owns 5% of bitcoins' somewhere.
693  Economy / Speculation / Re: Stop talking about the damn SR coins - it is the LEAST significant price mover on: June 25, 2014, 10:32:07 PM
10 batches of roughly 3,000btc each will be auctioned.

Potential bidders of those SR coins want to buy them as cheaply as possible. So they are dumping their coins-in-hand on the exchanges, lowering the maximum other bidders are willing to pay. After the last batch of coins is auctioned, bitcoin price will start to rise again.
Nobody is participating in an international market manipulation conspiracy (which might not even be profitable) so that they can acquire 3,000*[1-9] bitcoins from the U.S. Marshall for their investment firm.
694  Economy / Speculation / Re: Stop talking about the damn SR coins - it is the LEAST significant price mover on: June 25, 2014, 10:30:08 PM
Where did they get the 500k coins?
There are silkroad's coins, Ross's personal coins, and also the coins from some other dealer they arrested. It actually might be much more than 500k. Maybe 1M.

Source? I thought it was 140,000
140,000 is just the site wallet for silkroad users.  Then there is Ross's 400k and about 400k from that dealer which occured more recently.
695  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: June 25, 2014, 10:26:10 PM
Man, this non stop dumping...
The dumping is not really that bad actually. It is the lack of buying which is causing the decrease. Stamp and finex each have about 10k volume and btce has 5k...
696  Economy / Speculation / Re: Race to launch NY’s first regulated bitcoin exchange - 6/25/2014 on: June 25, 2014, 10:19:57 PM
What is the purpose of articles where 'the author speculates something could occur based on news from 2 months ago"?  I already have the information and I can do my own speculation. I don't need to speculate based on other people's speculations and create a double speculation loop.
697  Economy / Speculation / Re: Stop talking about the damn SR coins - it is the LEAST significant price mover on: June 25, 2014, 10:14:27 PM
Where did they get the 500k coins?
There are silkroad's coins, Ross's personal coins, and also the coins from some other dealer they arrested. It actually might be much more than 500k. Maybe 1M.
698  Economy / Speculation / Re: Race to launch NY’s first regulated bitcoin exchange - 6/25/2014 on: June 25, 2014, 10:10:40 PM
Is there actually any new information here or are they just summarizing what occured in March-April and what the author hopes for?
699  Economy / Speculation / Stop talking about the damn SR coins - it is the LEAST significant price mover on: June 25, 2014, 09:56:47 PM
Everywhere I look I keep hearing people complaining about the price and blaming the auction and the auction only, and thinking that everything hinges on what price the coins are sold at. It is silly.

Right before the descent in early June, there were not one but THREE significant news events - it wasn't just the auction. There was also an article released in China by central bankers of how they were going to keep track of and close down accounts that were being used for recharge codes.  After that there was GHash.io reaching 51%. There are even aspects of the auction itself which are more significant than the coins themselves being sold. I'll explain each of these:

1. China: There was news about further crackdowns on deposit methods to Chinese exchanges including recharge codes. Now, I don't care how many times people try to dismiss China or call it 'FUD' - China is very significant. China is the world's most populated country with 20% of the worlds population, is one of the world's largest economies, and most importantly it contains the world's largest shadow currency trading market where high rollers throw around trillions of dollars on a regular basis to gamble on shadow currencies (mostly BANs - notes from banks). It is also happens to contain half of Bitcoin's exchanges which appears to do 5-10 times as much volume as the other half. There are some questions about the legitimacy of the volume but a safe guess is that the legitimate volume should be at least as much as the 'west', which is still highly significant. You can't just take something involving at least half of Bitcoin's trading economy and dismiss it. Any news about China is going to be very important for Bitcoin (in the short term at least) whether you like it or not. At the very least, it is much more significant than the auction.

2. GHash: The pool reached 51% for the first time and nothing was done about it for a while until a big player finally voluntarily pulled some power out of it.  This raised questions about the viability of Bitcoin and the nature of the community and caused some major players to become bearish. Some whales decided they were going to sell half of their holdings. The amount of bitcoins being dumped over this probably trumps the 30K bitcoins being sold at the auction. In addition, future investors have become somewhat dissuaded and there will be some degree less new investment in the future. All in all, it is a much more significant event than the auction.

3. The Auction. Even within the auction itself there are more significant things to consider than the 30k coins themselves being sold and their effect on the market.  Anything involving the government doing something adverse leaves a bearish taste in investors. "Why is the government selling? Has the government become bearish on Bitcoin?"
- "What does the government know that we don't? Have they found some exploit in the protocol? Have they run some study and found that there is no way technically or economically that bitcoin could possibly work?"
- "Has the NSA broken EC already but it is top secret?"
- "Does the government plan on banning Bitcoin?"
- "Are they going to dump their other 500,000 coins?
I'm not saying any of those are true but it might be what is running through certain people's heads which would account for a reduction in new investment which is more significant than the coins themselves being sold.

I understand many of you may object to some, or many, or all of these points, and that is fine... Maybe none of these things are really that significant in the long run. However, that is not my point. They don't have to be that important - just more important than the auction. My entire point is that there are many things that have occured lately that are much more important than the impact of 30K coins hitting that market and at what price these 30K coins are going to be bought. This is an inisificant matter and something like that wouldn't have caused a downward slide this severe and this long. 30K coins are... a mere 0.22% of coins - it is nothing. Get over it. Please stop talking about those coins.
700  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: June 25, 2014, 12:51:29 PM
Do you want to know why we bounced at $340 on Apr 13, why we bounced at $420 on May 5, and thus why this 'trendline' has held thus far? Both bounce events occured immediately when either China or the Chinese exchanges released some counter-FUD article leading us to believe some major change had occured in China and everything was going to be ok there.


I've been told countless of times that news are secondary to the market movements, or does it only apply to the dumps?
I used to think that all of Bitcoin's tops and bottoms were predetermined, but when was watching the crash at $340 (which seemed to just be getting started), and then suddenly I see the most random and largest bullish engulfing candle ever seen in my life come out of nowhere, and I find out it was seconds-minutes after a Chinese news article was released, I had to reconsider.
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