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1601  Economy / Speculation / Re: Etrade Joins Increasingly Crowded Bitcoin Futures Market on: December 22, 2017, 05:42:33 PM
As long as new infrastructure enters the market Bitcoin will succeed  Smiley
1602  Economy / Speculation / Re: 45% drop - this is new territory, never seen before on: December 22, 2017, 05:40:39 PM


I believe it went from $100 to $2 once ... that would be a 5000% drop

A 100% drop means you go to zero. Clearly you have no idea of mathematics. But seems pretty symptomatic of the level of understanding many so-called Bitoin "investors" in here have.....

Good one ... You got me on the math there. Not used to calculating decrease in percentage Tongue

98% decrease Smiley
1603  Economy / Speculation / Re: Bitcoin is the most expensive vaporware in the history of software industry on: December 22, 2017, 05:35:10 PM
Bitcoin code can be changed. Fees can be changed in the code as far as I know (probably a soft fork).

The problem is that there are too many people entering bitcoin at once causing the current infrastructure to be overrun.
They will adapt and then we can go higher with Bitcoin.

1604  Economy / Speculation / Re: 45% drop - this is new territory, never seen before on: December 22, 2017, 05:31:41 PM
a few _days_ ago it gre by 1000$ in some 2 minutes. 120 seconds. Is it _really_ unseen territory?

Also, I recall a 50-some% drop smetime in 2011... guess most people don't go that far back?


Oh, not to mention the collapse in 2013?

+1

I believe it went from $100 to $2 once ... that would be a 5000% drop
1605  Economy / Speculation / Re: Best dip price to buy more? on: December 22, 2017, 05:29:35 PM
Buy dem cheap coinz!  Cool
1606  Economy / Speculation / Re: bitcoin dumps down 25% from 20k to 15k whatsup on: December 22, 2017, 05:26:52 PM
Ok lets be realistic

1 October 4200
1 November 6700
1 December 10000
20 December 19000

And we are complaining about it going back to 10000 (1 month back in time)

This is no crash. This is a correction caused by the Gold Rush Gung Ho "I needz dem Bitcornz cus me gotz to get Milionairz" investors.
1607  Economy / Speculation / Re: This time is different on: December 22, 2017, 05:21:38 PM
This is when faiiiiling will come back to haunt us  Shocked
1608  Economy / Speculation / Re: WHAT`S THE PANIC? on: December 22, 2017, 05:19:55 PM
It's Christmas everyone wants to cashout to buy stuff, it will fall even further but then it will rise again

+1

Deja Vu

Shaking out the weak hands....
1609  Economy / Speculation / Re: Time to go mBTC on trading sites on: December 19, 2017, 07:42:05 AM
I know it's an old topic.
I know it doesn't do anything to the BTC price.

I only think that it would make it easier to get BTC to match with human psychology.
We are used to owning dollars of euros. We are not used to owning fractions of things.

1610  Economy / Speculation / Time to go mBTC on trading sites on: December 18, 2017, 12:14:39 PM
With the increased volatility and price the last digits don't really seem to useful anymore.

Do you think that the time has come to start talking about mBTC instead of BTC ?

I know it's a cosmetic thing but I think it could break some psychological barriers.
1611  Economy / Speculation / Re: Bitcoin Stabilizing At $20K on: December 18, 2017, 12:10:58 PM
Looking at the absurd increases and mega volatility in the last days .... how can you call this stabilization !??!  Roll Eyes
1612  Economy / Speculation / Re: How high do you think bitcoin will go in the next year? on: December 18, 2017, 12:07:59 PM
Looking at increases of previous years the following possibilities could come true

(2012-2013) 37k
(2013-2014) 1385k
(2014-2015) 7k
(2015-2016) 27k
(2016-2017) 45k
(2018-2018) 444k

I personally like the 1385k and 444k prognosis  Cool

45k would be the most likely
1613  Economy / Speculation / Re: 30,000 for the brilliant end of 2017? on: December 18, 2017, 11:56:44 AM
Let's maintain the current growth instead of a bubble-crash/correction....

End year will be 20-25k (most likely 21k)
1614  Economy / Speculation / Re: Bubble will occur or Correction...! on: December 18, 2017, 08:29:46 AM
Just HODL... seriously.
Everyone wants to pretend they are good at calling tops and bottoms, fact is, probably only 1% of population is good at that.

HODL is the best... keep your coins away from the internet Smiley
1615  Economy / Speculation / Re: Will Bitcoin ever be $5,000 again? on: December 18, 2017, 06:58:11 AM
no
1616  Economy / Speculation / Re: South Korean gov't holds emergency meeting re curbing cryptocurrency speculation on: December 14, 2017, 07:28:53 AM
CHINA BAN REVISITED #128292  Roll Eyes
1617  Economy / Speculation / Re: Is it too late, to invest? on: December 13, 2017, 05:14:06 PM
We are at the begin of the mania phase in my books.
- Institutional Investors [CHECK]
- Media Attention [CHECK]
- Public [CHECK]
- Enthusiasm [CHECK]
- Greed [Coming]
- Delusion [Nope]

So plenty of room for growth  Cool

to be honest i do not think we're moving like that chart,
because that chart only works for Bubble assets and in my opinion Bitcoin is far from Bubble,at least it's not the bubble at this moment.
lately we're seeing a lot of massive run due to japanese positive move and also other news that we're currently waiting for.

it's never late to invest our money into it because it still has a lot of room to grow in the future.
it has not implemented yet fully in our life but the demand ridiculously high,
which mean whenever it started to do it and successfully implement it,does not that mean the price will be increasing a lot in the future?


Fair point but I do believe the public and investors entering the game will cause a "gold rush" before we stabilize.
Everyone at my work is buying hardware wallets, buying altcoins, doing crypt... all with $$$$$ in their eye....

So a bubble and a wither down to stability is my guess.
1618  Economy / Speculation / Re: Total crypto market is now worth HALF A TRILLION dollars on: December 13, 2017, 09:56:24 AM
I still dont get why the call BTC a ponzi or a pyramid scheme. If it was a pyramid you would need to "recruit" your friends, or things like that. And a ponzi scheme will see BTC paying dividends or returns to initial investors. The lack of knowledge is the biggest enemy, they blindly follow media and dont do their own research. I really like blockchain technology and what can bring to financial securities. As a real use, I use it all the time to send money to my country without high fees (even higher than BTC miners fees)

In a sense it is a pyramid scheme and there's nothing wrong with that.

Ask new investors the following.
- Did you buy Bitcoin to use it as a payment system?
- Did you buy Bitcoin to profit from the crazy price increase?

People talking about Bitcoin makes others want in on the deal. This is how a conman gets people on board.

But then again this "pyramid scheme" brings a valid technology to the table (Blockchain).
This will ensure the bubble won't pop but wither down into a stable state.

Once things settle down Bitcoin will be a stable currency used to buy stuff.
1619  Economy / Speculation / Re: Will Bitcoin Reach $120,000 Billionaire Says YES! on: December 13, 2017, 09:46:03 AM
I think you make profit on ads  Cool
1620  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: December 13, 2017, 09:45:05 AM
Bitstamp BTC276 wall is now down to BTC198 .... price is being manipulated!
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