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601  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Investopedia wants to know if 1 Bitcoin could be worth $1 Billion USD? on: May 19, 2014, 11:01:49 AM
Predicting future bitcoin price related to fiat currencies is silly. Any value is possible, if for example USD enters hyperinflation.

It's more reasonable to relate price predictions to commodities like precious metals or basic foods (wheat, sugar...).
602  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: $100,000 Bounty for Software that Replaces the Bitcoin Foundation on: May 19, 2014, 10:45:48 AM

for bitcoin to interact with FIAT (buy and sell) you cant just pretend that you owning bitcoin means that you should avoid the owners of fiat (government)

if you want to amicably interact with fiat. then you have to amicably interact with government.

i agree that bitcoin is out PRIVATE property and out of the juristiction of governments. but by avoiding government you are avoiding the possibility of using fiat..

so lobbying is needed just to keep the peace and keep it all amicable.

lobbying not only keeps the peace to allow fiat-bitcoin trading. but also keps the peace in regards to making sure that governments do not step over their jurisdiction and try controlling what is not theirs

You can have working amicable agreements among parties of equivalent power...

The government will keep the peace as long as none of its interests is at stake (main interest: stay in power). Negotiating with government for allowing fiat-bitcoin trading is like a slave negotiating with his owner for a more humane work schedule.

You will gain nothing from lobbying for bitcoin.

Bitcoin is superior money. It will push governmental fiat aside. Governments will not like this, because it is an important source of power. Conflict can only be avoided by destroying bitcoin through allowing full "regulation". Then bitcoin will be exactly like fiat.
603  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Everybody's identity has a price. on: May 18, 2014, 07:58:45 PM
Everybody who values their's at 10 USD or less will get a great deal selling it to Circle. What's the problem with that?

And: everybody here wishing for 'mainstream adoption' should be happy as we will then finally have the opportunity to go shopping on Ebay and on apple-thingy-store and all the other beautiful places, which will of course accept Bitcoin as soon as they are being 'de-risked' and 'consumer-protected' and sent by identified users from regulated Circle wallets.

The to-be-adopted masses of shoppers will be happy, Ebay will be happy, Circle will be happy.

And if Circle protects the users from their private keys even the FED will be happy Smiley.

So, happy times ahead all around, maybe except for the to-the-moon-guy on reddit, as he's not gonna get there. But that is a small sacrifice.

Joe


edit: spelling

Thank you for speaking out.

Unfortunately many people value their identity even less than 10 USD.
604  Other / Politics & Society / Re: 90% of war deaths are civilian ; US launched 80% of armed conflicts since WW2 on: May 18, 2014, 07:44:06 PM
The US military complex employs a lot of people and war can be very "profitable" for the victorious party. So the US have good reason to stay in the intervention business.

In addition they have to protect the dominance of the USD as world trade currency which is crucial for their survival.
605  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: $100,000 Bounty for Software that Replaces the Bitcoin Foundation on: May 18, 2014, 07:25:45 PM
Based on my experience I think it is highly unlikely that this initiative will lead to any tangible benefits. Software is not some magical item to solve all problems (assuming there are problems that really need to be solved). You can have good software without anyone using it.

I also think we don't need a replacement for The Bitcoin Foundation, because TBF was not needed in the first place. TBF should be disbanded and replaced by independent developers that can self-organize to collect funds for important development goals. For collecting funds they can just post their donation address - problem solved the bitcoin way.

Believing that problems arising out of governmental interference can be solved via negotiation are short-sighted and naive. We don't need lobbying for Bitcoin, we need strong bitcoin technology that is 100% apolitical and offers cash-like privacy, easy access, high fungibility and is resilient to governmental control ("regulation").

Imho the funds would be better spend by funding a Core developer.
606  Economy / Economics / Re: Gavin Andresen: Rising Transaction Fees Could Price Poor Out of Bitcoin on: May 18, 2014, 06:25:05 PM
I'm not an expert, but increasing blocksize is not without problems, because as a result blockchain size and bandwidth requirements will grow. This will lead to a reduced number of full nodes in the network and therefore more centralization around high bandwidth, high storage capacity nodes.
607  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: PayPal could benefit greatly from providing a wallet service on: May 18, 2014, 02:38:39 PM
I think having Paypal involved is terrifying. They would define an experience that would rob normal users of any control.

PayPal are known to freeze peoples assets and refuse to return funds, I wouldn't want to hold Bitcoin with them.

I couldn't agree more. Having Paypal as an intermediary will be similar to handing your coins over to MtGox in the past. You will experience the full set of braindead KYC, AML, and Anti-Terrorist schemes to take away control of your funds.

Don't use Paypal. Bitcoin makes it obsolete anyway.
608  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: The CEO of eBay :we are considering intergrating bitcoin actively on: May 15, 2014, 11:37:28 AM
It's possible that Paypal integrates some bitcoin feature. Maybe acceptance and exchange.

But in the end Bitcoin will render Paypal obsolete. So all of ebay's efforts to stay in the money transmitter business will be in vain. Of cause not before they've introduced some more annoying features that restrict bitcoins use to serve their profit.

Bitcoin will be the end of Paypal. Quote me on that.
609  Local / Altcoins (Deutsch) / Re: XRP: Der aktuelle Kursverlauf on: May 15, 2014, 11:28:46 AM
wenn Ripple Labs dicht gemacht wird und sie keine XRPs mehr ausgeben können, dann müssten eigentlich die bereits existierenden XRPs massiv im Wert steigen.  Wink
Nein, dann wären XRP seltener, Seltenheit != Garantie für Wert.

sicherlich keine notwendige Bedingung, aber hinreichend, besonders wenn alle anderen faktoren gleich bleiben

Es bleiben aber nicht alle anderen Faktoren gleich, wenn Ripple Labs dicht gemacht wird. Wieso sollte XRP ohne funktionierende Community aus der Masse hunderter alternativer CC's irgendwie hervorstechen und sich behaupten können?

Ohne massives Marketing durch Ripple Labs wäre XRP schon längst Geschichte.
610  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Evan Faggart's take on the Bitcoin Foundation on: May 15, 2014, 11:22:29 AM
Op-Ed: We Don’t Need the Bitcoin Foundation by Evan Faggart

In it he claims:

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Why do we need a centralized organization to promote a monetary system that draws people in mainly due to its decentralized nature? That seems like kind of a self-contradictory statement. Bitcoin was founded upon the principles of sound, decentralized money and respect for privacy and anonymity. These qualities are all Bitcoin needs to become successful in the future as a replacement for central banking and the overall centralized control of the global monetary system.

What do you guys think?  Is there any reason for the Bitcoin Foundation to exist?

Exactly what I was saying since the beginning of TBF.

But I would like to add: TBF is not only unnecessary - it is outright dangerous for bitcoin, because it offers a centralized access point to the bitcoin protocol. This opens the door for political / regulatory influence on the bitcoin protocol. Since TBF members are not anonymous they can easily be blackmailed or persons can be introduced into TBF to promote a political agenda.

I repeat myself here:

Ever asked yourself why Satoshi stayed anonymous?

TBF must be disbanded asap.
611  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Bitcoin changed my life on: May 15, 2014, 11:08:47 AM
Then the new rich will grow greedy and we need a new financial innovation to solve that problem. And so the cycle goes on... Cheesy
The innovation that solves greed is not a financial one. It will be an innovation of collective compassion; it will be the end of capitalism.

Greed can't be solved. Greed lies in human nature - it's driven by the desire to survive in face of competition around limited resources which is shared by all species. That's how evolution works.

Capitalism is not bad. Capitalism favors the smart and industrious over the dumb and lazy. And that's a good selection. Of cause there are cases when capitalism fails due to an abuse of rights. But overall capitalism offers much more freedom to the individual than any alternative.
612  Economy / Economics / Re: If Bitcoin was backed by Gold, how would it change its adoption? on: May 15, 2014, 10:46:54 AM
Attempting to back Bitcoin with gold would be like trying to back gold with silver. The bitcoin doesn’t need any help in the value department.

Yes it's total nonsense.  You can always ask: What's backing gold? And then you will come to the conclusion, that gold is backed by nothing else than the effort needed to extract it from rocks. Creating bitcoin requires effort (energy), too. So bitcoin mining perfectly resembles gold mining on a virtual level (hence the term "mining" is used).

The concept of backing only makes sense when you have items like paper money that you want to have high trade value but that do not need much effort to create.
Bitcoin is unlike fiat money that can be created at will. So Bitcoin does not need backing.

Bitcoin is sound money like gold.

Except BTC is code so it can also easily be altered.  51% attack and all that

There is something seriously wrong with this comment. 1. 51% attack does not alter past transactions due to checkpoints   2. The cost of 51% attack is extremely prohibitive  

The comment is not only wrong in relation to 51% attack. Even it were true it wouldn't be an argument for gold backing bitcoin, because if the system is somehow "compromised", how can you verify securely that anyone really owns the gold behind the bitcoins?

You can also produce counterfeit gold bars and coins (for example put some tungsten in it). In future gold might be produced as a by-product from nuclear reactors. So there isn't a 100% value guarantee neither.

To be clear: I'm not against precious metals. I just want to point out, that it makes no sense to back bitcoin with them (or with anything else).
613  Economy / Economics / Re: SwiftBitz to launch New line Of Bitcoin ATMs on: May 14, 2014, 02:56:20 PM
I think that ATM manufacturers will have a great impact on bitcoin adoption. I especially like the modular concept of Lamassu.

For me, adding more options to buy bitcoin is of higher importance than having a fiat-out option. If bitcoin succeeds, fiat-out will be unneccessary.
614  Other / Off-topic / Re: My Neighbor Fell for the "Grandson in Jail" Scam on: May 14, 2014, 02:25:21 PM
I've heard of similar scams targeted at elderly persons before. There's always a phone call of a fake relative that needs help in an emergency situation.

I find it especially disgusting to exploit persons by inducing worries and addressing their wish to help others.

Such deadhearted criminals deserve to burn in hell.
615  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: What's to be done when a huge quantity of bitcoins is stolen?(+1% of world btc) on: May 14, 2014, 01:50:16 PM
In my opinion, there should never be a way to blacklist bitcoins. The whole idea of Bitcoins is, that nobody controlls them, because we don't trust governments, we don't trust Banks, we don't trust big corporations.
Why should we trust any other authority(BTC-developer-Team)?
People trusted MTGox, a nice Company, that played a big part in making BTC popular. We all know what happened.
I can't think, of an example of a Person, that came to great power and didn't screw over a lot of People. Can anybody else?

Exactly. People that do not understand the fundamental importance of unhampered fungibility should use government fiat only. Blacklisting would render bitcoin unusable.
616  Economy / Economics / Re: Could take 5-8 years to shrink Fed portfolio: Yellen on: May 14, 2014, 01:38:23 PM
Kinda surprised Larry Summers withdrew.  Maybe he was too vocal and Yellen was more "safe"

No, I think he knew that there is no way out of the QE-Experiment his predecessors have started. Yellen will be the scapegoat when this giant ponzi-scheme collapses.
617  Economy / Economics / Re: If Bitcoin was backed by Gold, how would it change its adoption? on: May 14, 2014, 01:28:55 PM
Attempting to back Bitcoin with gold would be like trying to back gold with silver. The bitcoin doesn’t need any help in the value department.

Yes it's total nonsense.  You can always ask: What's backing gold? And then you will come to the conclusion, that gold is backed by nothing else than the effort needed to extract it from rocks. Creating bitcoin requires effort (energy), too. So bitcoin mining perfectly resembles gold mining on a virtual level (hence the term "mining" is used).

The concept of backing only makes sense when you have items like paper money that you want to have high trade value but that do not need much effort to create.
Bitcoin is unlike fiat money that can be created at will. So Bitcoin does not need backing.

Bitcoin is sound money like gold.
618  Economy / Economics / Re: Does anyone else feel like Bitcoin is a safe investment? on: May 13, 2014, 04:33:01 PM
Fiat is not a safe investment. Bitcoin is not a safe investment.

I'd say, there exists no such thing as a "safe" investment. Every investment involves risk.

In Bitcoin's case risk does not come from inflation but from technology/adoption. I would say Bitcoin involves a lot of risk and I would only invest what I can afford to loose. On the other hand the potential reward could be very high - so I would say one should not ignore Bitcoin as an investement either.
619  Local / Announcements (Deutsch) / Re: [ANN] Die "Deutsche eMark" - unser deutscher Altcoin - SHA256,POS&POW on: May 13, 2014, 04:19:04 PM


Wow, was für ein Investment! Jetzt ganz schnell alles Ersparte reinstecken, denn vielleicht zuckt die tote Katze noch mal.... Grin
620  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Bitcoin Foundation members are resigning! on: May 13, 2014, 04:01:18 PM
But again, look how much confusion there is. Brock was apparently "accused" of something 15 years ago, but there is no evidence or a trial or anything. Do you know something? If you do please call the police. I myself did not vote for him however an accusation is not enough to ask for his seat, which he was elected too. If something had been discovered it would be him leaving the foundation, not me.

For me Brock is mostly irrelevant (he's innocent until proven guilty), it's not about a single person it's about the very structure and central aim of TBF that contradicts essential characteristics of bitcoin: decentralized, trustless (in relation to people) and apolitical. It's the entire TBF that is ill-constructed, undemocratic and a gateway for political influence on the bitcoin protocol. Therefore the whole thing must be disbanded.

People also seem to think the foundation represents anarchists and revolutionaries.

Proof? Who thinks  that? TBF represents only itself - its board and its members. These members are certainly not anarchists nor revolutionaries but well adapted to societal norms.

In fact it represents bitcoin.

An outrageous and impertinent claim. They've enthroned themselves as bitcoin overlords with ZERO legitimacy.

Math is not moral or political and there are communists, libertarians, Jihadists, etc. using bitcoin. It is a global phenomenon and includes many people who would disagree with any of us. 

You state obvious facts which never have been disputed and are in fact a counterargument against your defense of TBF.

It is self delusion to think doing nothing will make all the regulators go away. There will be more laws the only question is what they will be.

It was never claimed that regulators would go away. They will try to enforce regulation with or without TBF. But with TBF it will be much easier for them to accomplish their destructive goals because of the central TBF-bootlicker-access-point. And when they have achieved a bit of regulation they want more...

The problem of regulation must be circumvented and made obsolete through the advancement of bitcoin technology (>> enhanced privacy and decentralization).

You can't negotiate with people that have all the power who either don't understand bitcoin, are ignorant, or are actively combating bitcoins promise for the majority. To trust in the word of such people is plain dumb.
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