Good to know, we have a reliable contrary indicator here.

The current move is merely a tiny correction of the overheated rally of the last days. The upward movement will continue within a few weeks. Compared to previous bull runs, the current trend is strongly supported by fundamentals (namely increased demand form India and Venezuela).

So China's central banks discover the altcoin market. Great news.

Not surprising, what the central bank has to offer is simply digital fiat money under their central control. They are basically replicating PayPal as a national service. Innovation: Zero, just as the government loves it.

Of course it's marketing for his financial group, but overall it's clearly a wise decision. Stocks and bonds are overvalued, while safe haven investments are undervalued in comparison.

However I don't know why he invests in altcoins. I'm sure that a Bitcoin-only investment will have much better performance. Altcoins are very speculative. The network effect of Bitcoin attracts the best developers and ensures constant progress, while altcoins even struggle to be accepted in the real world (besides Bitcoin/altcoin-exchange).

The most important point for 2017 is SegWit activation. This is an important prerequisite for progress. Let's hope that narcissistic idiots like Roger Ver don't succeed with their evil agenda.

Provided that SegWit activates, Bitcoin's future is bright. Scaling will become possible without killing the decentralized network. The Bitconomy will continue to grow and mainstream Bitcoin awareness could see a major push in 2017 as its fiat price increases.

Ehrlich gesagt bin ich sehr überrascht, zu was für panikartigen Zuständen die letzte Minikorrektur hier führt. Selbst alteingesessene Forenmitglieder scheinen sich davon zumindest teilweise anstecken zu lassen. Für mich völlig unverständlich, zeigt der Blick in die Bitcoin Geschichte doch, dass eine echte Korrektur erst ab mindestens -80% beginnt.

Der Kurs ist in den letzten Tagen einfach viel zu steil angestiegen. Ein kleiner Rücksetzer war längst überfällig. Wer jetzt meint, unbedingt hochwertige BTC in Müll-Euros tauschen zu müssen wird sich später ärgern. Ein echter Hodler dreht sich allenfalls kurz von einem Ohr aufs andere und schläft weiter.

Das muss ich nochmal in fett zitieren, weil sehr viele es nicht kapieren und viel dabei verlieren. Das gleiche gilt im übrigen für fast alle Investitionsprojekte, die in diesem Forum rumgeistern.

Als Neueinsteiger sollte man sich auf Bitcoin konzentrieren und besser auf Zockerei verzichten. Bitcoin an sich bringt schon genug Risiken mit.

Den perfekten Kaufzeitpunkt im voraus zu wissen ist eigentlich unmöglich. Wenn man noch gar keine Bitcoin hat, kann man auf irgendwelche Strategien verzichten und jederzeit kaufen. Denn sonst wartet man nachher ewig auf den richtigen Zeitpunkt und bleibt für immer in der Sklaverei des Fiat Systems.

Actually, gold is rising today. I don't see why anything should happen when gold and btc hit parity. Platinum and rhodium already were more expensive than gold and nothing happend.

What do you expect? People throwing away their gold?

I'm sure that both gold and Bitcoin are much better than Dollars or Euros.

Nein, zuerst kommen noch mindestens 10 Threads mit Raketenfotos hier im Forum. Wobei ab Dausend vielleicht der eine oder andere Spiegel-Redakteur über das Recycling eines alten Artikels nachzudenken beginnt.


Nach dem Euro wird jetzt auch noch der Orangensaft verwässert. Man sollte besser jetzt noch schnell Konzentrat bunkern...


Nicht wirklich überraschend. Schließlich war kürzlich Weihnachten. Allerdings sind da die Kerzen meistens rot.

It's always best to buy/sell Bitcoin in person. Most exchanges are not really trustworthy - either they get ''hacked'' and/or they collect and distribute your private information to everyone asking for it or paying enough.

People who are sending copies of their passports to such exchanges are crazy imho. Identity theft and full-spectrum surveillance are only a matter of time. It's sad.

Diese ganze Chartleserei bringt kaum einen wirklichen Vorhersagevorteil gegenüber normalem Menschenverstand (soweit vorhanden). Bei Kauf- oder Verkaufspaniken kann der RSI ziemlich lange im über(ver)kauften Terrain verweilen. Die Prognosequalität ist grottenschlecht, wenn man die Signale streng algorithmisch auswertet.

Mein Verstand sagt mir wir sind jetzt im Kaufpanikmodus. Weil der Kurs steigt, fühlt sich jetzt auch die Presse wieder berufen, was zu Bitcoin zu bringen (Der Inhalt dieser Artikel lässt sich folgendermaßen zusammenfassen: "Boah ey, der Bitcoin steigt schon wieder, obwohl er zuletzt ja auch mal gefallen ist. Vielleicht steigt er noch weiter, aber Experten warnen.").

If analysis of history serves any good, we should expect that the next big drop will correct around 60-80% of the previous upward movement. Probably, the correction will be a little less severe than the previous ones, because Bitcoin market cap and user base has grown significantly since then.

The next big drop will be after the next big bubble of course. That bubble is forming right now. If I had to guess, I'd predict the bubble will need at least 6 months to reach its climax.

I don't see the problem that you seem to have with SegWit - the guy is basically right. Scaling Bitcoin via increases of blocksize alone would be the end of a decentralized network. SegWit is a very important contribution to maximize resource usage and to preserve a decentralized network. Most importantly it's a precondition for Lightning Networks, which are a very good solution to enable secure microtransactions at low costs and high speed. Expecting to scale Bitcoin only on-chain is simply not feasible without putting it at risk of centralized control by a limited number of high-resource node operators.

The only thing that should be stopped is this blockchain = true innovation without Bitcoin nonsense. The true innovation is Bitcoin. The blockchain is just a tool to make Bitcoin as a form of decentralized cash possible. The banking industry can't cope with the fact, that the distributed ledger system Bitcoin could bring them out of business. That's why they focus on blockchain without Bitcoin concepts. But it won't help them.

I thought, the country coin concept has been proven to be a failure. But that seems to apply only to the Crypto scene. Governments are still within a learning process it seems.

National Crypto's are an Oxymoron. They eliminate all advantages of cryptocurrency. You don't need blockchain tech for a centralized currency. All you need is a new PayPal version, which is simply less complex and consumes less resources.

If the government would enforce using electronic fiat cash only, the formation of black markets would be the result. Bitcoin is already here and it can't be easily banned. There will always be people, who are interested in using it for P2P trade. That form of informal business will only grow, if governments impose restrictions on financial freedom.

Warum finden es so viele Menschen toll, sich in Horden an hochpreisigen, Nagelbomben-bestückten Weihnachtsbretterbuden vorbeizuschieben?

Das ist der Todestrieb der Kleinnager, der es irgendwie bis ins menschliche Genom geschafft hat.

Marx ist ein gutes Beispiel dafür, dass das Erkennen eines Problems nur eine notwendige, aber keine hinreichende Bedingung zur erfolgreichen Lösung desselben darstellt.

Ich würde bestreiten, dass ein richtig umgesetzter Liberalismus/Anarchismus zu Blutvergießen führt. Der Begriff Anarchismus bezeichnet ja gerade die Abwesenheit jeglicher Herrschaft - damit also auch die Abwesenheit von Gewaltherrschaft durch welche Personen/Gruppen auch immer. Die praktische Umsetzung ist aber in der Tat schwierig.

Ich glaube im übrigen nicht, dass eine wirklich freie Gesellschaftsform in absehbarer Zukunft eine Chance hat. Freiheit bedeutet gleichzeitig viel mehr Eigenverantwortung und Risiko für jeden Einzelnen. Dazu sind weit über 90% der Menschen aber nicht wirklich bereit.


Was den Kurs betrifft: Wir treten jetzt in eine Beschleunigungsphase nach oben ein. Kaufpanik liegt in der Luft...

Normal methods of compression are not really feasible, because the data are suitable for it (too much randomness).

Indeed, blockchain size could become a problem in future. Network bandwidth will be exhausted before HDD storage though. Imho all we can do about it is to ensure that block sizes grow slower than network bandwidth and HDD storage. That's why we need solutions like SegWit and LN to expand capacity without increasing blocksizes.

Of course. But even using hydrogen as a form of energy storage to fuel cars would be a significant steps towards using less oil. Indeed, one of the problems with renewable energy is that it often is excessively available in times of low demand (for example wind energy). So using unconsumed excess energy to produce hydrogen makes a lot of sense.

But it will be a long way before the whole car industry is running on electricity/hydrogen.

About half the population (at increasing numbers) in Germany sees this as a significant problem, while the other half opposes this view. The government and media are supporting the latter half. They are even in the process of suppressing public dissent in social networks.


Without doubt this is a problem. After imminent penalty payments, Deutsche Bank was presumably on the verge of collapse not long ago. Among others, Italian banks are also in very bad shape.


In Germany, most people do not view Russia as a threat. But the government is taking a more pro-US stance and therefore endorses sanctions against Russia, which is against German interests from my point of view. Instead, inviting Russia to participate in the European market would be the right approach. Because of history, Eastern European countries (Poland,...) view Russia as a threat indeed.


In the long term: Very likely. There's increasing resistance against the EU and its legislation all across Europe.