The second Bitcoin becomes centralized, all those things can arbitrarily change and I have almost no doubt they would change sooner rather than latter when the government comes knocking. You seem to forget that Bitcoin offers these rules only because there are no doors for the government to come knocking on, point guns at people's faces and demand them be changed, it's just peers in a network. Not so anymore in a centralized network.
I wholeheartedly agree with you, hazek. In the worst imaginable case, the ability to validate the currency becomes more expensive, not impossible. As long as it is not impossible, Bitcoin does not become a centralized payment system and you still have sovereign control over your money. Its still peer to peer, at worse its peer group to peer group. Of course this won't happen, because the devs are well aware of the dangers and are reasonable people who continue to put the technology and its users first. Reasonable people can come to compromises that provide for the greatest benefit for all parties.
What makes you so sure that this is the case? Everyone can be corrupted. And given the personality pattern I've observed from part of the TBF members, I'd suppose they're even more prone to corruption than the average Joe. But I don't expect the majority to agree with that. I feel at some not so distant point in future I'll be forced to evaluate alternatives to Bitcoin, because Bitcoin's features I've enthusiastically embraced in the beginning will have been changed beyond recognition. |
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Alberto sent 50 additional BTC, which I will soon distribute. He asked me to relay that he is working hard on obtaining more, which I hope will soon follow.
At least he is still trying. If you are a cold blooded swindler, you could put a few hundred coins aside from your plunder to feed the claimants slowly until they get tired and lose focus. I'm not saying this is the case, but if it is, being sympathetic to his situation only helps. +1 What we've seen so far is the classical pattern of one of the most common scamming strategies: 1. Being always nice to creditors. 2. Pointing at special circumstances and extraordinary difficulties which hinder repayment. 3. Nonetheless emphasizing one's will to repay. 4. Making up stories how repayment could be accomplished. (Which never materialize.) 5. Promising to pay "soon", but never agreeing on a reliable schedule. 6. Doing minuscule repayments in an irregular fashion with increasing time span in between and decreasing amounts. All this serves the purpose for the scammer to present himself as a victim of adverse fate to prevent serious action by the creditors. At the same time creditors get exhausted crawling towards the Fata Morgana of repayment created by the scammer. Time = money. Thats a simple equation which is also valid for scammers. (In this case even more so, as the BTC debt has been converted to USD.) |
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Received. Thank you.
(Never mind the missing dividend.)
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Welcome to my ignore list.
//DeaDTerra
No problem with that. As long as my shares are correctly allocated. Otherwise -> Scammer tag. Apparently DeaDTerra is more inclined issuing new shares to maximize his profit than caring about his duties regarding his original shareholders. I can sell of your shares and take you off the share holders list. I will fully reimburse you with the current MPEX price per share. Then you can go and find yourself a new broker, are you okay with that deal? //DeaDTerra Yes that's all I want. Send refund to: ***** I think I already PM'd you my email for verification - if not please request again. Thank you. |
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Welcome to my ignore list.
//DeaDTerra
No problem with that. As long as my shares are correctly allocated. Otherwise -> Scammer tag. Apparently DeaDTerra is more inclined issuing new shares to maximize his profit than caring about his duties regarding his original shareholders. |
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Hey guys, tomorrow will be the last day for anyone who wants to switch to BTCT to do so and get their dividend without any hassle. If you claim later then tomorrow and want your dividend then please contact me and I will still honor my agreement. After the dividend has been paid, I will issue more shares on BTCT similar to what I did on BF  //DeaDTerra Just for the record: 1. I did complete the claim process to BTC-TC. 2. I did NOT receive any new information yet. 3. I contacted you and burnside via PM to resolve the problem. 4. Therefore I will not accept any kind of "hassle" for late allocation which is not my fault. If you have gone through the claim system correctly and followed the simple instructions provided. Then you are in the system and you will be added to the BTCT list, so that you can claim the shares and the dividend. //DeaDTerra In case you can't read: I DID CLAIM SHARES AND DIVIDEND. No need to be rude... I don't appreciate people being rude. If you read what I said, instead of screaming at me. If you did in fact claim your shares correctly then you should be fine and in the system before I pay the dividend. //DeaDTerra No need to be ignorant... I don't appreciate people being ignorant. Did not receive any information (except message on bitfunder website) of "being in the system", whatever "the system" is. |
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Hey guys, tomorrow will be the last day for anyone who wants to switch to BTCT to do so and get their dividend without any hassle. If you claim later then tomorrow and want your dividend then please contact me and I will still honor my agreement. After the dividend has been paid, I will issue more shares on BTCT similar to what I did on BF //DeaDTerra Just for the record: 1. I did complete the claim process to BTC-TC. 2. I did NOT receive any new information yet. 3. I contacted you and burnside via PM to resolve the problem. 4. Therefore I will not accept any kind of "hassle" for late allocation which is not my fault. If you have gone through the claim system correctly and followed the simple instructions provided. Then you are in the system and you will be added to the BTCT list, so that you can claim the shares and the dividend. //DeaDTerra In case you can't read: I DID CLAIM SHARES AND DIVIDEND. |
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Hey guys, tomorrow will be the last day for anyone who wants to switch to BTCT to do so and get their dividend without any hassle. If you claim later then tomorrow and want your dividend then please contact me and I will still honor my agreement. After the dividend has been paid, I will issue more shares on BTCT similar to what I did on BF //DeaDTerra Just for the record: 1. I did complete the claim process to BTC-TC. 2. I did NOT receive any new information yet. 3. I contacted you and burnside via PM to resolve the problem. 4. Therefore I will not accept any kind of "hassle" for late allocation which is not my fault. |
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Yea, not optimal but the best way we could solve the situation without me having to do it manually xD
//DeaDTerra
When will the transfer process to BTC-TC be completed? If it's automated I don't understand why it takes so long. Did you claim btct and not get your shares yet? If so, pm me your email and I will take a look at things from the list to see what I can do to help out. Yes I did complete the claim process. Three times actually. Claimed shares to BTC-TC. Got no new information since then. Sent PM |
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Yea, not optimal but the best way we could solve the situation without me having to do it manually xD
//DeaDTerra
When will the transfer process to BTC-TC be completed? If it's automated I don't understand why it takes so long. |
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My GSDPT shares were not allocated to BTC-TC despite having claimed so (7th of Jan).
In addition on 5th of Jan three identical verification request emails were sent out to me.
This happened although I had completed verification and claim to BTC-TC on 19th of Dec 2012 following the first verification request (17th of Dec).
@DeaDTerra: You've got PM.
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He negotiated debt relief (fixed USD/BTC exchange rate) based on empty promises. If he ever pays any significant amount it will be certainly only at a much higher USD/BTC exchange rate - allowing him to retain most of his fraudulently obtained BTC.
This argument makes no sense. The USD/BTC exchange rate can either go up or down. Fixing the debt at a given USD/BTC rate is the logical thing to do, not having done that sooner was a mistake. It makes perfect sense, since Alberto did not agree or does not comply to a reliable repayment schedule. So (if he does at all) he will repay only if the exchange rate is in his favor. I will not accept this. I've set my personal deadline in this case. After the deadline without significant and reliable progress in repayment, irreversible action will be taken without further announcement.
I'm trying to work towards people getting back as much of the debt as possible. Can you explain what your proposed course of action would accomplish? I appreciate your efforts. But I think they lack effectiveness. As my expectation of repayment of any significant proportion of the funds decreases, the importance of holding the fraudster liable increases regardless of a possible influence on the chances of repayment. Alberto can still stick to his words and implement a more reliable repayment schedule. But I certainly will not watch the current delaying game go on forever. |
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As it turns out again, Alberto's word is worth nothing.
He negotiated debt relief (fixed USD/BTC exchange rate) based on empty promises. If he ever pays any significant amount it will be certainly only at a much higher USD/BTC exchange rate - allowing him to retain most of his fraudulently obtained BTC.
I will not accept this. I've set my personal deadline in this case. After the deadline without significant and reliable progress in repayment, irreversible action will be taken without further announcement.
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To sum up the current situation:
The scammer Alberto Armandi got effective debt relief from Meni by negotiating a fixed BTC exchange rate at $12 on his promise to pay back funds on a reliable schedule.
The scammer Alberto Armandi promised on or before 5th of December to repay BTC 200 within a week.
The scammer Alberto Armandi has payed BTC 100 so far.
The scammer Alberto Armandi has promised to pay a further BTC 150 within a few days.
Until now, the scammer Alberto Armandi has not payed.
The scammer Alberto Armandi threatens to use funds owed for his legal defence.
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Lowest fees should never be the main reason. Usability, functionality and trustworthiness are way more important.
That's true. As it was not apparent from my previous comment: All of these platforms are equally untrustworthy for me. (So I'm not descriminating against a particular platform.  ) Assuming this, I'd simply go for the one with the lowest fees. If you are the operator of one of these platforms: Please don't take this personally. I appreciate all business iniatives. But nowadays trust is hard to earn in the Bitcoin community. Edit: Or, alternatively go for the one with the best liquidity and reasonable fees. |
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I have been contacted by the BF owner,
I wanted to check what your opinions are off moving GSDPT to BitFunder?
//DeaDTerra
With both platforms having highly questionable TOS (= basically no responsibility for anything) it all boils down to the question of who has the lowest fees. |
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50 BTC more received, 0.01 BTC per bond sent (counts as $0.12). PS. To all whom it may concern, 17mE6CjNxCKn51yAQuVx3ERq1qT5uYyRLr is an address in my Bitcoin-qt wallet and the main address I use to receive payments from Alberto. I send funds from Bitcoin-qt (not necessarily the same coins) to my blockchain.info address 14ubeus6MbjWqy13x2uFPS6XFUyE92ty96 to be used with sendmany. Thanks for handling this, Meni! Nevertheless I remain highly skeptical if this is the beginning of a happy end to the whole story. Too many broken promises by A.A. in the past. |
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(Unfavorable comments regarding Alberto which were here earlier were removed at his request. I'll wait some more before bringing up the heat.)
Looks like another payment extension for Alberto Armandi, our Sardinian scammer from Carbonia. What was his promise / threat? |
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