Is it just timing, marketing or gimmicks as with doge?
Yes correct, everything is about timing in the crypto world. There are also big hands in the game, that will ultimately determine coins that you find to be scam or shit, turns out to be one of the most profitable coins of the year. Marketing has very little to do with how successful a crypto is, every shitICO with devs market their coin. The number one thing that determines value is community, and the reception of the coin. Even if a coin is a "sleeper" over years, if there is some support and the background of the coin is untainted, then it will have its time to shine at one point or another. Almost every single crypto has a point in it's life, where it gets pumped for massive returns. Patience and research is required to find these gems. |
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We are stepping a fine line here, despite BCC being a shitcoin scamcoin, there is still enforcement cracking down on a growing industry. Now regardless, it's inevitable that all crypto ICO's will be governed to some point, or made obselete by something unforseeable in the future.
But in the current direction of things, digital currencies in general are going to be a lot less interesting due to the big brothers hand. And that goes for potential returns.
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I submitted the form, but not posting my email address here, which is ill-advised by the team.
The project overall looks solid, and there is a lot of information regarding the direction you are heading. My only concerns are, like every other crypto with huge ambitions, is you're trying to takle a multi-billion dollar industry with an initial ERC20 token. No matter how hopeful the project is, no matter how great your idea may be, the coin will still be a token on the markets. There is no major connections here listed, and no discussion on how you actually are going to penetrate the industry and acquire even .0001%-.001% if that, market share.
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Don't try to pump scam ICO's here, any crypto backed by any asset is a red flag alert immediately.
There have been numerous cryptos backed by "Gold, diamonds, real-estate, even that one asset backed by cow piss, yeah that's right" and all have turned out to be scams. Don't go claiming that this is the first, it isn't and it won't be the last scam.
I would highly recommend to avoid this currency at all costs, because it's just another scam ICO, worse since they are promising an asset. Ontop of all that OP, you are promoting this scam, which was created by a new account.
Lock the thread, save yourself some dignity and go research a bit more.
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Such a relief
I was really worried about all that stuff that was going on around Bitcoin and future possible Hard Fork
and possible issues and even possible death of bitcoin itself.
Thx God they changed their mind.
No, Bitcoin will never die. But i can almost guarantee you that segwit won't be the last attempt at a new Bitcoin fork. This is the new "ICO' but for bitcoin miners/pools and big whales to play with. Forking BTC is free profit along with the major hype of buying into the markets. Everyone should be in awe that the vote, voted in favor of no fork, which means there is a much bigger story going on behind the scenes than what we know of currently. |
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A lot of people/investors were riding on the fact this segwit fork was going to happen, now, amazingly, i did not. I suspect that the markets are trying to recover losses right now, and people/big whales will be selling off their BTC within the coming weeks. The bubble of Bitcoin right now is purely riding on the strengths of Bitcoin itself and potentially the new ethereum vulnerability.
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Ethereum won't die because of this, it will correct itself and potentially another fork is under-way. Now, i'm not expert when it comes to the base of Ethereum's code, so correct me if i'm wrong. But from a market perspective, this along with segwit's cancellation is adding to Bitcoin's value, but it will not last long. Ethereum may dissipate a bit on the markets, but i suspect a big rebound is incoming sooon, since it has a lot of catching up to Bitcoin's huge valuation at this point. |
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Bitcoin will come out stronger than ever out of this recent news. I already see the markets into a new bull-rush. But, despite the Bull-rush, the sell-off is going to be huge for Bitcoin, as now the bubble is over inflating behind the value for no apparent reason, other than for the big whales to dump all their BTC onto the market. News like this gives hope for BTC, but gives it less power on the markets due to this recent rush only pertaining to the recent BTCgold fork, and no longer segwit https://coinmarketcap.com/currencies/segwit2x/A lot of people lost a lot of money trading this unreleased forked coin. |
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A BIG THANK TO defc0de for the post: I did quick math of the new model for airdrop distribution as there where many others complaining about the unfair system. I used the average of around 7.6% rate of drop for the main airdrop participants (not the Deep points one) and used the data of the 16th round distribution for my calculations from this thread: https://deeponion.org/community/threads/some-interesting-numbers-for-todays-airdrop.6228/#post-92779 (Some Interesting Numbers For Todays Airdrop) Number of Payouts: 368 Sum Airdrop Amount: 225,000 ONIONS Average Payout: 611.4130434783 ONIONS Highest Airdrop Payout: 7,644.36458134 ONIONS (1250% of avg.) Lowest Airdrop Payout: 7.6283368673 ONIONS (1.25% of avg.) Number of Participants above avg.: 117 Number of Participants below avg.: 251 < SNIP> I hope the mods and people here in the DO community can shed light to this. Hoping the best for you all. Thank you for reciting this post. Sadly, I dropped out of DO Application for the first time and do not intend to buy 100 Onions just to take part at the airdrop. This is quite unhealty for the future of the coin, but I guess it will still gain a big value because of the already existing amount and the signature bounty. Good luck with deep Onion for the future! You could easily earn 100 Onions on the Deeppoints airdrop on Sunday. It is too late for tomorrow airdrop but if you actively participate in the community for a week, you can earn 100 Onions easily. The top performers this week are about to get over 500 onions in this airdrop. There are also a lot of people who will get 200 Onions easily. I tried myself, I wasnt too active but I am expecting 75-100 Onions tomorrow. I would request you to keep the mods and the supporters out of this distribution and the recreate the whole calculation The reason for asking to analyze dat that way is 1) Mods and supporters put daily 6-8 hours in this community to make sure that everything is on track 2) You can consider Mods and supporter share as a "salary" than just an "airdrop" 3) Mods will lose all of their privileges if their balance goes < 10K at any given time 4) Same is true for supporters 5) Without higher benefit for the higher balance/holders there will be no incentive to buy onions from market 6) without increasing price there will not be any interest in holding onions which will spiral into the death of a wonderful project 7) By giving higher rewards to holders who have the highest power to dump the price to zero, we keep their interest in the project so the project and the holders have multually beneficial relationship which is necessary for any business Once again, I thank you for a good analysis. I would just like to see a revised version of the analysis and your response to reasonings above. If you have suggestions please let us know. We are always there to hear you out I agree with those points but i still believe there is something wrong with the way mods are calculated, takes these 2 cases: Take a very active mod (5x, not sure how many receives this or how much work it relates) with 30k coins gets a weight of about 5x10k + 20k*1.2 = 74k Now a normal user that received the same amount 30k (theres not alot of those yet) 10k + 20k*1.2 = 34k Now lets put that in the spreedsheet (cant remember who shared it), the results are like this: Mod: 465k at the end of the airdrop Normal user: 213k Thats a difference of 250k onions, for the 25 weeks that is left. At current price of 0.65$, thats is 250k$! For 25 weeks of work. If this is a salary, i think its a hell of a salary (avg of 10k$/week). If you think ive miscalculated some part, let me know, its possible that i dont grasp the whole situation. If im right, then im sure i wont be alone to think that this might be too much... I believe the heart of the problem is the support factor (because its non linear), i like the new formula and its weight concept thou since i think its an elegant way to fix the multiple accounts problem, preventing account harvesting... These are the types of calculations that were needed to shed some light on this matter. I didn't really take the time and effort to do such an investigative work for my post yesterday, but i think it basically ties in nicely to the thread i posted yesterday. There are those of you who guard and shield this coin and hold it sacred, then there are those of us who are shedding the real-world perspective on this coin. DeepOnion is a great coin, but with flaws that are hurting its future. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2006010.msg23996415#msg23996415We aren't here to hurt DeepOnion devs/mods, we are shedding light on what's incorrect and what will stop DeepOnion from being great coin, not an OK coin. Instead of agreeing with someone who shares the same views/ideology as you, read the comments and negative responses and address them appropriately, which has not been done once, to my knowledge; other than maybe correcting the former airdrop rules? |
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Bitcoin whales have found a new way to suck the wealth from alt coiners now by making all of these forks btc gold 2x and bitcoin cash.
They are automatically receiving the huge lions share of all these new ALTS (the forks of btc) for simply holding their BTC there is no risk to their huge stashes of BTC they are simply going to get it all for free. You will get nothing (much except some crumbs ) for free you will be forced to buy from them from now on if you want any of this junk.
Now if you are holding a lot of alts the best thing to do
1. Remove all of your sell orders (remove 100% before the 15th)
2. Never purchase any more forks of btc not even to try to day trade
3. Re enter all of your alt sell orders 5X higher than they are now after the fork
4. Hold and do not give in. This will work if you are holding quality alt coin projects if you are not holding quality projects then start making sure you move into quality projects right now.
Even if only 25% of altcoin holders followed this protocol right now you will force an end to this never ending forking and airdrop bullshit based on BTC balances and cause huge spikes in the quality alt coin projects that btc whales want in on but want to get them for next to nothing. In fact they will probably end up getting your alt coins for free.
You think you are getting free coins. You will end up with a net loss from all of this unless you are very shrewd, very lucky or have a huge BTC wallet.
Alt coiners are getting shafted with these forks.
Now here's a smart and reputable man, with some knowledge of the markets. Cryptohunter is no novice when it comes to altcoins, he's been here for just about everything (from what i can recall), digging in his posts i can guarantee you this man was there the days when ethereum and NEM where newcomers to the scene. Regardless, after all this bullshit occurs with segwit Bitcoin will decrease, how much? couldn't tell you. But what can be said was said above about altcoins. Now, segwit is not the end to Bitcoin forks, it's only the beginning, as all the mining clubs see how successful these forks are, the hunger will continue for more free $$$$$ |
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This is a classic puppet account/bagholder trying to pump the price of BCC, and shame on anyone for looking into BCC because of this post. Misinformation and lies, is what most of these coins on centered around. Now, can you profit from BCC? Sure, maybe, but you won't be earning the big bucks like OP stated here. You will be earning tens of dollars or maybe even couple of hundred when altcoins increase after this period of Bitcoin bonanza and segwit. I did not make this image, but it sums everything up: |
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Put simply, those who had 100 Onions received 7 Onions. Sure that doesn't sound a lot but let's break it down shall we.
Currently that means you are receiving 7% per week!
After 1 month you would have 131 Onions - that's 31% more.
Please tell me of another crypto where you can earn those sorts of rewards and I'll heavily invest.
Plus, these figures are for the minimum. The more you hold the more you earn. People should invest and earn greater rewards, it really is that simple.
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1VHdlL99W7iipIcCvjZfMprvg0wXIKa3XdxhpCWVE21o/edit#gid=1397335382You can save the spread sheet and do your own numbers. This is for new guys to Onion, to calculate their total DeepOnions after airdrop 40. Feel free to make something better. Just change the 0.07 to whatever rate you want, .08 or whatever. |
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(1A) Airdrop Rounds 1-15: 3,200,000
(1B) Airdrop Round 16-40: 6,800,000
We see a figure off by nearly 2.7million deep onions. Which i assume that 2.7 million is going to be distributed further to the top 1-5% of wallets, with this mystical "facotoring on accounts. What are you taking about? Airdrop coins round 16-40 add up to 6.8m. Just add them up? Read the post again, i did the math for you. You can add up numbers, do I need to do this here for you? Round 16-30: 250,000 each
Round 31-39: 300,000 each
Round 40: 350,000 Adds up to 6.8m. Yes, correct. Whats your point than than? I corrected the thread, i made a mistake in calculating stuff. Corrected in the thread. I will still hold the entire post's weight regardless how many coins are being given. It has no reflection on what i feel about this airdrop. Those points have been removed. |
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(1A) Airdrop Rounds 1-15: 3,200,000
(1B) Airdrop Round 16-40: 6,800,000
We see a figure off by nearly 2.7million deep onions. Which i assume that 2.7 million is going to be distributed further to the top 1-5% of wallets, with this mystical "facotoring on accounts. What are you taking about? Airdrop coins round 16-40 add up to 6.8m. Just add them up? Read the post again, i did the math for you. You can add up numbers, do I need to do this here for you? Round 16-30: 250,000 each
Round 31-39: 300,000 each
Round 40: 350,000 Adds up to 6.8m. Yes, correct. |
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OMG, how much wrong infomration are you carrying together here?? Some maybe, not much. Now i quote For balance <= 10,000 ONION, equivalent ONION = factor X ONIONs in account
For balance above 10,000 ONIONs, the first 10,000 ONIONs is calculated as above, rest amount is multiplied by a factor of 1.2 (for everyone) to get the equivalent ONIONs. 1.2 factor, is x1.2, that means each airdrop participant that invested and bought 100 deeps, should of been awarded 120 deep onion. That's what "Multiplied for a factor of 1.2" actually means. Is it so hard to understand that you only receiv 1.2 factor for your coins ABOVE 10k?[/quote] The sentence is open for interpretation. Thus, it's considered false (from a science perspective, if anything is open for interpretation then it's not fact). You can read the jumbled mess here: https://deeponion.org/airdrop.html(1A) Airdrop Rounds 1-15: 3,200,000
(1B) Airdrop Round 16-40: 6,800,000
We see a figure off by nearly 2.7million deep onions. Which i assume that 2.7 million is going to be distributed further to the top 1-5% of wallets, with this mystical "facotoring on accounts. What are you taking about? Airdrop coins round 16-40 add up to 6.8m. Just add them up? Read the post again, i did the math for you. The dev team, and responses above create a highly negative atmosphere. Now in regards to this airdrop, you are actively having users buy in at $60-80 USD at current rates, and giving them 5-6usd per week in onions for posts, this is supposed to be an airdropped coin, these users, the extra 200 that you've acquired are supporting you guys. We are all doing the same work, noone is above anyone else. You create a negative atmosphere  This is constructive criticism, i'm sorry if i hurt your feelings, the world needs more feedback to help shit out. Non-linear distribution would be awarding the lower addresses with higher % on their onions, while the top addresses a lower, bring the top and bottom closer together, not widen the gap. We have a non-linear distribution, what you want is a linear distribution. I think the best is that you search your project, because you have disqualified yourself with this post containing so much wrong information. Re-read the post, read hard and give it some thought. Because you have no idea what i posted from this statement. |
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Thanks dev and mod team for another great airdrop! It's a pleasure to be here since the beginning.  For all the newbies: I'm sorry if you are not part of the airdrop since the beginning or you didn't find the thread before. The rules are clear. If you don't want to follow them you are free to choose another project. No ones will say you what you should do. I have lost others airdrops before like NEO and I'm not spreading FUD about that because I was not lucky. This is the same situation. You are in a perfect time to be part of a great successful project. Don't waste your chance. The dev team will note your feedback. Just wait and you'll see. By the moment work hard for the Deeppoints!  Analysis and Sentiments of DeepOnion's Airdrop #16 Oh man, fucking disappointed and feel lied to, to say the least, in the team, the airdrop and what was stated. EDIT: Post corrected on Points 3 and 4.
I corrected the thread, i made a mistake in calculating stuff. Corrected in the thread. I will still hold the entire post's weight regardless how many coins are being given. It has no reflection on what i feel about this. First - The situation was created by the devsIt's not a matter of finding this thread early on, some of us were legit and wanted to partake, and got banned due to poor management. I was in Deeponion since august, and yet only had the chance to join now because of the ridiculous regulations. Keep your pennies on deeponion, the salt regarding the airdrop is warranted here, especially if you were one of the guys who attempted to join early on. I agree with any sentiments in regards to members being disappointed by the airdrop. Leading into my second point. Second Point - MisinformationBeing lied/cheated too. Now, nowhere in the rules say 8% airdrop rate for all balances, this rule was completely negleted and left out of the airdrop rules, why? because the devs thought they could get a quick pump from all of the new users buying into deep onion, kinda like a pyramid scheme. Distribution will be based on the ONIONs you have in your account, you must have at least 100 ONIONs to qualify. Now, nowehre in this states what that is based on, we can go back and take the factor calculation since you guys specifically stated "For everyone" There is misinformation in these points. Where there is misinformation, there is blood. Now i quote For balance <= 10,000 ONION, equivalent ONION = factor X ONIONs in account
For balance above 10,000 ONIONs, the first 10,000 ONIONs is calculated as above, rest amount is multiplied by a factor of 1.2 (for everyone) to get the equivalent ONIONs. 1.2 factor, is x1.2, that means each airdrop participant that invested and bought 100 deeps, should of been awarded 120 deep onion. That's what "Multiplied for a factor of 1.2" actually means. This sentence is so fucking poor and open for so much interpretation. Get some real fucking writers who can clearly state how this shit is calculated. Overall, this is pure garbage and left people in the smoke. (EDITED IN) What algorithm are you guys actually using here? State the % of the funds. And who actually gets up to a factor of x5? What are the balances needed?
Third Point - Your Estimated value(Removed for incorrect information) I tallied 14 airdrops, instead of 24. Big mistake overlooked. Fourth Point - Total Deep onion's airdropped(Removed for incorrect information) I tallied 14 airdrops, instead of 24. Big mistake overlooked. Fifth Point - Mishandling and the FutureThe dev team, and responses above create a highly negative atmosphere. Now in regards to this airdrop, you are actively having users buy in at $60-80 USD at current rates, and giving them 5-6usd per week in onions for posts, this is supposed to be an airdropped coin, these users, the extra 200 that you've acquired are supporting you guys. We are all doing the same work, noone is above anyone else. And if you mention "oh i was here since the start" like the asshat above, i have one thing to say to you "Go fuckyourself" because since the inception of Deep, the price has actually declined by over -400% since it's peak ( https://coinmarketcap.com/currencies/deeponion/), you can thank your founding members for dumping their rich addresses on the market. You are trying to include people in deeponion, yet the devs have created a more toxic atmosphere by fucking new recruits with their dogshit multipliers, go back to your old system where you filtered out all these fucking puppets, because that was much better than this current state where you are basically just shitting on newcomers. This will be posted in the deep onion forums, to spread the word of this sentiment i have. I will wrap up with some final thoughts here. The airdrop distribution is very poor, i highly recommend doing a non-linear distribution, instead of awarding the top addresses, who hold almost 90% (Which i can't confirm due to broken shit ( http://explorer.deeponion.org/richlist) but i can guarantee you it's something like that. the top 10% of the addresses are earning probably 90% of all airdrop tokens. Non-linear distribution would be awarding the lower addresses with higher % on their onions, while the top addresses a lower, bring the top and bottom closer together, not widen the gap. This is how the most successful Airdrop coin ever is #7 on CMC, by awarding equal distributions. Yet, years later noone has learned shit from NEM and how they distributed, which i was apart of, and which is why i'm writing this post, because i see the potential here, but it's falling very short from being anything worthwhile to invest in. You want to create a large supporting community, then stop fucking new people trying to enter your coin. We get it, you want to preserve your hard work and efforts, but do so in a non insulting and reasonable manner. You the dev team are sitting on 1million onions (Founder), earn that fucking million dollars by doing something worthwhile and not fucking people who are buying your coins and funding your cars/house/retirement. Ultimately,
I've been apart of hundreds of airdrop coins, i've been scammed, i've made a lot of money, but i've never seen anything like this deeponion distribution. I love everything about this coin, except your community and airdrop management, which is the worst i've ever seen in the history of digital currencies. Edit: Another word is distasteful, which sums up this airdrop #16, from a thread nearing 1 million views, the highest watched thread on BTT in the past year. People are watching, the whales are waiting for legitimate substance and transparency, the ball is in your court devs and Mr. Founder. Get that deeponion volume up so you can cash out in 1-5 years time.
i'm not editing this for grammar, spent enough time writing this, will also post in the forums.edit: Title heading Source Links:Comparison of rich wallets: https://prohashing.com/explorer/Deeponion/https://coinmarketcap.com/currencies/deeponion/https://deeponion.org/airdrop.htmlhttp://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2006010.0http://explorer.deeponion.org/richlist |
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Bitcoin bull run is nearing its end, the steam is running out. Altcoins will rally after the fallout is all said and done.
BTC price at post $7,288
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9/10 ICO's are scams.
There is nothing to check if a coin is a scam or not, the best you can do is do some research
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None of the features matter about a coin, there is only 1 thing that matters, support and acceptance. All these shitcoins try to compare themselves with Bitcoin, when they don't even come close.
and wasn't Viacoin a scam is i recall, it's been so long i forgot why the entire market lost faith in this coin.
2 years later the updates roll in from this coin, once they see the uprising of 2014-2015 coins who remained active, finally seeing a turnaround on the markets.
There is only 1 thing that matters when u trade MOST altcoins, and that's how much more BTC you can get from it, other than trading BTC itself.
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