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7581  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: March 02, 2014, 05:01:36 AM
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[Translation from the Japanese]

March 2, 2014

To anyone concerned

Mark Karpeles
Representative Director
MtGox Co., Ltd.
Shibuya 2-11-5

Shibuya-ku, Tokyo

ANNOUNCEMENT REGARDING AN APPLICATION FOR COMMENCEMENT OF A PROCEDURE OF CIVIL REHABILITATION

An overview of the situation should be published here shortly (probably on March 3, 2014 (Japan time)).

Contact information

A call center has been established to respond to all inquiries. The call center is planned to start on March 3, 2014. All inquiries to MtGox Co., Ltd. should be made to the following telephone number:

Telephone number   +81 3-4588-3921
Working hours    Monday to Friday 10am to 5pm (Japan time)

Please refrain from contacting the office of the supervisor/investigator.
7582  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: March 02, 2014, 04:32:13 AM
Billy don't be a dick (we all know you are a boy).
7583  Economy / Speculation / Re: What is your Bitcoin Faith? on: March 02, 2014, 12:07:34 AM
We need decentralised exchanges.  Badly.
7584  Economy / Service Discussion / Re: WoW I've found my coins! on: March 01, 2014, 10:00:40 PM
Whatever the source of the issue which should expect to see recent deposits funding recent withdrawals consistent with the operation of a fractional reserve.
7585  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: March 01, 2014, 12:23:56 PM
*artificial pumping = fiat shortage on Gox made people buy back coins after the April13 bubble and pumped the price in all Markets

*This* worries me.  I have thought about it before.
7586  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: March 01, 2014, 09:21:29 AM
So quiet in here, so quiet. So what do you guys think we are waiting for? Gox to come out with somekind of a statement about what they are going to do, pay back any money or btc to anyone or not? Looks like there isn't too much pressure in either way, just hanging around here in 555-590$ atm. Damn I just would like to see those days of rally again. Better rush than any drugs I've ever tried.

Gox is trying to come up with a business plan to continue operations.  We know this because of the type of bankruptcy they chose.  Mark is still hoping for a white knight.

They are not winding up at this stage.   There will be no distribution of $ or BTC to anyone in the short term.

I think it will be at least a year before anyone get anything. Probably longer.  And if the books are correct that they have $22 million in cash and $60 million in fiat liabilities then fiat holders will be lucky to get 25 cents on the dollar after Mark keeps paying himself and his staff salaries for the next 18 months. Gox coin holders are at serious risk of getting zero after 2 years.

0.03 for Gox BTC is looking pretty expensive.  Even assuming the 2000 coins in the hot wallet are distributed - 2000 / 500,000 = 0.004.  And even you would have to wait two years and have less than a 50% chance of getting them.  So on that basis I think Gox coins on  bitcoinbuilder are at least 20x too expensive and a better than 50% chance of having a nil value.

I don't have any coins on Gox but I'm severely bummed about it. I can't imagine what people who lost millions feel like.
7587  Economy / Exchanges / Re: [OFFICIAL]Bitfinex.com first Bitcoin P2P lending platform for leverage trading on: March 01, 2014, 06:17:21 AM
Why can't PWC or Deloittes audit your books on a six monthly basis and then provide an audit sign off letter?
7588  Economy / Speculation / Re: Holders, Investors, Speculators! What's your USD average per coin? on: March 01, 2014, 06:06:47 AM
Started in early December. First purchases were over $1000 USD.

Through dollar cost averaging and trading I have been able to bring my cost down into the 800s on the December crash and into the 600s on the latest crash. One more good crash and I should be under the market price assuming it rebounds into high 500s.

It's hard work chasing a market downwards when you start at the peak.  
7589  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: March 01, 2014, 04:58:39 AM
Sorry for the rant but that's my two sense on the topic.

Nice rant.  Well-taken, I hope. 

However, from the tone of this particular thread in the past week or two, all you are likely to get back is nasty, brutish and short.  The degree of solidarity and humane compassion the wall observers demonstrate through a capitulation is reminiscent of 10 crabs in an 8 crab bucket.



Not this bear. I apologised.
7590  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: March 01, 2014, 04:57:46 AM
I'm bearish because this Gox crap is going to grind on and on and on.  

You know I keep hearing reading a lot of statements like this. Please keep in mind that real people lost incredible amounts of money either due to theft or incompetence. Some of these people lost a good portion of their bitcoin investment, others lost their entire life savings, and some lost more than you could dream of making in a lifetime. This is not just some more bad news, some whale shit crap, some media hype. This is a real and very unfortunate event that took an insanely large amount of money from the members of this community. Whether the were "newbies" who "deserved it for not securing their assets" or "traders" or "old money that trusted the oldest exchange to handle their coins". Please have some respect for the fact that this was absolutely detrimental to a large group of investors, investors and community members that support(ed) bitcoin and put their hard earned money into it. Could you imagine the agony you would feel if you lost the kind of money these guys did? Some of you couldn't stomach the agony of losing 5 bitcoins, let alone a few hundred bitcoins. I have spoken to some of these people first hand, I am one of those people who also lost some coins, I will tell you this; speaking with a long time bitcoiner and hearing his voice crack and crumble as he comes to terms with the fact that he lost more money then he earns in 10 years worth of paychecks is heartbreaking. It is not "Gox crap"

Sorry for the rant but that's my two sense on the topic.

My apologies it was a thoughtless remark. I should know better (I do know better).

You have my sympathy. If anything it was an expression of anger because I have some knowledge of how the Japanese bankruptcy system works and it simply is not up to Western standards.  I am angry that Mt Gox has gone for bankruptcy protection and that management is permitted to remain in place.  I am also angry that for the moment it appears that no detailed balance sheet will be forthcoming and no decent explanation of the theft will be provided because the Japanese system is built around saving face and sweeping everything under the carpet.  Mr Karpeles could not have picked a better country to blow up an exchange if he had tried.

Regarding the time frame please take it as an observation that the bankruptcy proceedings will continue for one to two years and that this will invite extended media coverage particularly if Mr Karpeles is jailed which is a distinct possibility.  Putting two members of the Bitcoin Foundation Board in jail *cough Shrem* for financial fraud would not be good for image particularly as Mr Nakamoto would be one of the few remaining members and he does not attend board meetings for some reason.  

The Bitcoin Foundation had to be dragged kicking and screaming to get Karpeles to resign and some of them are still in denial that he was running a ponzi scheme.   Right now I am starting to feel like the entire Bitcoin Foundation board is a pack of crooks.  which means the Bitcoin Foundation Board needs a serious kick up the ass but I have too many other projects on the go to devote time to that.  

Nonetheless my anger at Gox and the Bitcoin Foundation for actively defending him despite serious evidence of wrong doing does not detract from my sympathy for the clients of the exchange who got done over by one of the biggest financial frauds this decade.  
7591  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: March 01, 2014, 03:08:28 AM
I'm bearish because this Gox crap is going to grind on and on and on. 
7592  Economy / Speculation / Re: Here comes dat fear on: March 01, 2014, 03:02:42 AM
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Kraken is a good option in the U.S. They have not much volume, but the organization seems fairly high level.


Have you seen the bid depth for the USD XBT pair?  You could easily rip a $50 hole in the book with a 10XBT market order sell.  Only the EUR pair is usable.  
7593  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: March 01, 2014, 12:19:56 AM
Guess the bottom? I say 480īs

Sentiment is weak. I'll go big and say retest 400.  

*disclaimer.  I have nfi.
7594  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: March 01, 2014, 12:11:22 AM
It's going down. I'm calling timber.
7595  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: March 01, 2014, 12:07:19 AM
I'll start buying when 500 breaks
7596  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: February 28, 2014, 10:26:33 PM
NOTE: An advantage of a flat prediction is that is irritates the bulls and the bears, equally.

No one can complain they have been unfairly treated then.
7597  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: February 28, 2014, 12:22:13 PM
Obviously they are not counting BTC liabilities if they say only $64 million in liabilities but 720,000 missing coins.

Which suggests fiat getting paid out but not coins...
7598  Economy / Speculation / Re: Mt. Gox has filed for bankruptcy protection on: February 28, 2014, 12:03:17 PM
Price will crash in a few hours

You still hope for $250? Sorry mate, not gonna happen.

$100 on BTCE two weeks ago not good enough for you?
7599  Economy / Speculation / Re: High frequency traders want to speculated on bitcoin? on: February 28, 2014, 11:15:29 AM
Limit orders don't care about no HFT. 
7600  Economy / Economics / Re: China Currency Plunges Most In Over 5 Years, Biggest Weekly Loss Ever: Yuan on: February 28, 2014, 10:58:17 AM
2% swing. In a single week ! Such wow ! So amazing ! Such profit !
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