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8261  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: December 22, 2013, 09:12:37 PM
If Satoshi is exiting perhaps we should pay attention. 
8262  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: December 22, 2013, 09:31:04 AM
Wow, what just happened, from 590 to 700.  Must be pump and dump.
Bots bought due to 1 hour cross.

So another cross in five minutes and bots sell?
8263  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: December 22, 2013, 03:48:18 AM
Something wrong with my browser I am only seeing posts on wall observer at 40 minute intervals. 
8264  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: December 21, 2013, 09:07:44 PM
Switching tactics. Have sat on my hands since the crash and done nothing after buying all the way down.  Now starting to buy in little nibbles.
8265  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: December 21, 2013, 06:35:28 PM
Poor unloved wall.  230 am in china on Sat night.  Everyone has gone to the karaoke bars.  Or tucked away in bed.  
8266  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: December 21, 2013, 06:04:56 PM
Bitcoin.

Market is down 6.9% over 24 hours and everyone is bored. 
8267  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: December 20, 2013, 08:16:55 PM
822 coin dump to 650.... now below

hodl your coins or better SELL NOW! We'll go below 500$ easy!

BBBBBBUUUUUUUUUUUULLTRAP  Tongue
Time to lose some money. Haha  Grin

Maybe snack time soon. 
8268  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Official Lamborghini for bitcoin thread! on: December 20, 2013, 08:07:21 PM
They are made by Volkswagen - how bad can they be?
8269  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: December 20, 2013, 08:04:20 PM
H1 graph looking pretty grim... Sell or hodl?

We can see an obvious attempt to ignite panic, but so far it hasn't worked.   It's pretty up in the air right now.  
Chances are it will be lower at some point over the next few days.   Of course bitcoin is notorious for doing what everyone least expects . . .

I expect it to be 400s sometime between now and 4 January.  

This is what I have learned from Bitcoin this last week.  

10 percent drop is huh wat?
20 percent drop is a squiggle
30 percent drop is a wiggle
40 percent drop is an adjustment
50 percent drop is a correction
60 percent drop is a strong correction
70 percent drop is a crash
80 percent drop is time to hodl

8270  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: December 20, 2013, 07:54:55 PM
I've had three friends pull their money out and walk away from bit coin over the past few days.

Well done market makers / manipulators!

Go set aside a separate wallet for your friends with a couple beers worth of btc in it.  What you might buy them at the bar on a Friday night.  Don't tell them.  Leave it for two years.  Give it to them in 2016.  
8271  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: December 20, 2013, 07:49:26 PM
SilkRoad 2 guy arrested in Ireland. FBI got another 200k EUR worth of bitcoins.

FBI has no jurisdiction to seize coins in Ireland. Any link with specific details of the seizure please please please...?

Coins are on the interwebs not in Ireland.  Jurisdiction is irrelevant.
8272  Economy / Economics / Re: Monthly average USD/bitcoin price & trend on: December 20, 2013, 12:04:09 PM
We know Mt Gox hit 1 million users in the last week or so. 

Can we chart estimated users against price?
8273  Economy / Speculation / Re: The spec money in China has exited on: December 20, 2013, 10:01:57 AM
Ok understand. Doesn't help avoid capital controls though. If you can't wire from mainland China to Hong Long due to capital controls that model you just described doesn't help.  It only works for cross border where international wire transfers are allowed.
8274  Economy / Speculation / Re: Bitcoin will plummet to $10 by first half of 2014 on: December 20, 2013, 08:17:59 AM
Good. Gives us late entrants another shot. 
8275  Economy / Speculation / Re: The spec money in China has exited on: December 20, 2013, 07:39:35 AM
I see at least two possible outcomes (and there are many more I'm sure):

1. Cash transactions with BTC China directly in Shanghai, which means BTC China might have to setup a network of branches in the big cities, or do a deal with someone to setup branch networks.
2. Decentralised P2P or B2B exchanges being developed.

I cannot get my head around how a decentralised exchange would work - you still need to interact with fiat at some point. (And no, localbitcoins is not an exchange).  The Ripple trust model just looks a shambles to me.

Roughly (and I might be explaining something you already know): you'll have a third party escrow type service who sits as a mediator.  The contract is done online. The fiat transaction is done via bank to bank wire at minimal cost.  Evidence of transfer is provided to third party, who releases BTCs to party providing evidence.  

Yes, it will add to expense.  But over time, reputations will be built.  Kind of like a credit history.

The oracle / escrow agent only can only block the bitcoin transaction (if it is a double public key transaction).  They can't block the flow of fiat funds.   So the escrow agent provides nil protection to the person sending the fiat.  Unless I am missing something.
8276  Economy / Speculation / Re: The spec money in China has exited on: December 20, 2013, 06:57:51 AM
I see at least two possible outcomes (and there are many more I'm sure):

1. Cash transactions with BTC China directly in Shanghai, which means BTC China might have to setup a network of branches in the big cities, or do a deal with someone to setup branch networks.
2. Decentralised P2P or B2B exchanges being developed.

I cannot get my head around how a decentralised exchange would work - you still need to interact with fiat at some point. (And no, localbitcoins is not an exchange).  The Ripple trust model just looks a shambles to me.
8277  Economy / Speculation / Re: The spec money in China has exited on: December 20, 2013, 06:54:39 AM
I see three green candles so in my book it looks like an uptrend is coming, hope it pulls through.

I want to shout this again "TO DA MOOOOOOON!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!" Cheesy

Yeah, it may bounce a little higher....for now, but it will be temporary.

China is clearly winding up any open dealing of Bitcoins. BTC China was the last time I checked responsible for 44% of the entire Bitcoin trade volume. There are still lots of Bitcoins in China and these people need to cash out.

Nothing could be more clear regarding Bitcoins near term future and could well be remembered as a near death experience.

"TO DA FKN BASEMENT!!!!!!!!" Cheesy

I honestly can't see why Btc china cannot restart in HK or Macau? Anybody want to chime in with some inside info?

Because it doesn't help mainlanders.  Hong Kong and Macau are basically foreign countries (you need a type of passport to visit them) and you cannot freely transfer fiat to them.

Last I checked, gambling revenue in Macau was still rising.  Also, I see plenty of rich Chinese hanging around HK and Singapore.

Sure but the rich Chinese in HK and Singapore dont need BTCC.  They already have access to international markets.  BTCC gives access to the middle class (dont get me wrong - there is no shortage of whales on there but I do wonder how many of the whales are actually Westerners in disguise).  
8278  Economy / Speculation / Re: The spec money in China has exited on: December 20, 2013, 06:07:23 AM
I see three green candles so in my book it looks like an uptrend is coming, hope it pulls through.

I want to shout this again "TO DA MOOOOOOON!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!" Cheesy

Yeah, it may bounce a little higher....for now, but it will be temporary.

China is clearly winding up any open dealing of Bitcoins. BTC China was the last time I checked responsible for 44% of the entire Bitcoin trade volume. There are still lots of Bitcoins in China and these people need to cash out.

Nothing could be more clear regarding Bitcoins near term future and could well be remembered as a near death experience.

"TO DA FKN BASEMENT!!!!!!!!" Cheesy

I honestly can't see why Btc china cannot restart in HK or Macau? Anybody want to chime in with some inside info?

Because it doesn't help mainlanders.  Hong Kong and Macau are basically foreign countries (you need a type of passport to visit them) and you cannot freely transfer fiat to them.
8279  Economy / Speculation / Re: Are we back in a bull market? on: December 20, 2013, 05:59:08 AM
More to come.  Market is very fragile. 
8280  Economy / Speculation / Re: A possibility in China on: December 20, 2013, 03:42:22 AM
Right, remember now: the guy who in the wall thread argued that the PRC is still a "communist state" in any meaningful sense.

It is a communist state in the meaningful sense that it is run by the Chinese Communist Party according to socialism with Chinese characteristics. 

Any deeper analysis is just semantics.
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