The only thing I don't like about green addresses is that as a recipient if I refuse to take the money and send it back, it is not charged back to the person that sent it to me.

I had a discussion about donations to a political party as it might turn out to be very funny with the laws in place in Germany:
Parties are not allowed to take anonymous donations above 500€.
Immediately returning the money counts as not taking it.
If they can't refuse to take them (as they went to them cash in an envelope/in a mail with a bitcoin wallet attached/sent from a green address) they have to give the money to the president of the German Bundestag.
I would love to see what this guy dues with bitcoins

lol

I would assume that a 5% of all bitcoins transaction would not cause such a big disruption but sure, some would wonder. I would guess that by that time, there would also be enough people around to stabilize the prices so volatility will be less and less of a problem.

Hi guys,

back from Iran I'm happy my thread got some attention and yes, I hope the bitcoin project gets more aware of how accessible it is around the world.

In Iran people use proxies to see the internet without censorship. I will try to find an Iranian proxy so I see the internet through their eyes and get more aware of what websites not to use to stay visible for the people there.

Else: Go visit Iran! I never experienced more hospitality. Maybe 2% do speak some English but I travelled via couchsurfing.org and so I had great contacts - and now friends in all the cities I've been to. Worst thing that happened were people charging me twice the regular price.

somehow this discussion got back to "with the right key any sequence of bits can be illegal".

Guess this is pointless as it is possible for sure to get any data into the chain. Just donate x satoshi to the faucet every hour with x being the ascii value of a letter of for example the "satanic verses". 8bph is slow. 2 months per page. but who would stop you? Later you announce that transactions from this one address form the satanic verses if read in sequence of their occurrence. No way to remove. Easy to decode. No bogus one time key needed.


the other thing was: if i open a letter with child porn/get such stuff smuggled into my browser cache ... no: those are examples where you don't know of the illegal content. this thread is about what if you know it is there and know how to decode but don't want it? so the analogy with the newspaper would rather be: what if somebody gets miniature child porn into a magazine add? the answer is quite clear: the magazine would not be allowed for sales from the moment they know about it.

i still see this could be a serious problem that might require drastic measures at some point like "genesis block 2" with all the balances but without the transactions to clean up the mess and i see no way to prevent such data from getting in. in some countries judges might be relaxed about it but some might make bitcoin illegal for such illegal content in the chain.

gah, guys!

this is not only about if and how could i get hands on bitcoin now but also generally about how will it ever be successful in iran and cuba where there would definitely be a need for bitcoin.

and no, the bitcoin download is not blocked by the iranians but by sourceforge and google code. they point me to these documents:
http://sourceforge.net/apps/trac/sitelegal/wiki/Terms_of_Use#ProhibitedPersons
... oh, actually the desktop client is on github which is accessible but due to limited bandwidth there is little point in getting it up and running for me now anyway ...

and no, it has nothing to do with sha256 as all of sourceforge and google code is blocked here. sorry but that is a reason for me to use other hosters. too general embargoes are always evil.

Hi

I'm traveling in Iran at the moment and there is a good reason for using bitcoin here:
Due to embargo there is no international credit card you could use in Iran. Business men told me that their transaction costs are 8% when dealing with the USA as they have to send the money via Dubai.

Unfortunately using bitcoin is not possible for several reasons:
"High speed internet" is available to every Iranian in cities. Unfortunately high speed internet is limited to 128kb/s wich is a problem when downloading the block chain.
The bigger problem arises from the embargo though: many sites block Iranian requests including the sourceforge downloads for the client, google code for the source etc.
I could not find a link to download the bitcoin client here. Could you please add trustworthy mirrors for Iran, Cuba, etc. or just straight stop using pages that block the spreading of FOSS to such countries??

Regards,

giszmo

In BitCoin there is no encryption involved. Only signatures. It may be the same field of research but there are no secrets transmitted in the blockchain so most likely those censorship laws don't apply to bitcoin.

thanx for a reply. ok then only the most notable articles? with original point of views? for me it is also noteworthy to see the first article in a new country etc.
the forum is no good place for presenting articles. only for collecting them.

Thanx.

I didn't get *any* feedback on my effort to bring all these references to the wiki Press page.
I would continue by adding this one, too but somehow feel like I'm the only one that thinks it is a good idea to have screen shots and some meta data.
Sorry for bringing this up again but if there is no reaction at all I would assume it is a waste of time but telling me "hey, it is a waste of time" would help big deal.

(As I don't understand Swedish and now see the need to have an english excerpt in the template, I'm bringing this up, now.)

I'd like to invite you to use the wiki. I just wrote a template for this. This thread is nice but a some more condensed form might be better.

I integrated the template in Press Wiki Page for 3 sources to firstly showcase the difference it could make and secondly to improve on it.
Press will love to get a condensed view of other press articles so a good overview will help to get press again I guess.

I hope I can motivate others to join in this slight extra effort

(edited: integration in Press article)

how do others handle this? you can always generate illegal content where numbers are involved. a bank would also not rearrange transactions just because they represent evil data although that evil data would end up at the recipient of the payments and stay stored at the bank.

Ja was zum Geier! Seit wann kann ich bei doodle die anderen Teilnehmer editieren? Egal. Glaub, ich hab's wieder rückgängig gemacht

Also mein Haken ist nur ein halber Haken, weil ich da Wiegenfest hab und evtl. ... aber man weiß es noch nicht ...

ähm ... ja. Das ist richtig. Mit einer 1kw-Heizung im Zimmer die nicht heißer als 90°C werden sollte, wird die Freundin nicht happy sein. Bau ne Hundehütte und stell die Kiste auf den Balkon. Das wäre mein Plan B gewesen, wenn ich nicht in nem "Serverraum" Unterschlupf gefunden hätte. Also für den Server. Nicht für mich.

Also wir haben rigs mit 4x 5850 und das geht wunderbar. Nimm halt Lüfter, die lüften und nicht nur blinken und takte unbedingt den RAM runter, dann geht das mit Luft einwandfrei. Bis auf eine Karte, die nen Schlag haben muss, sind alle unter 80°C bei Volllast. Durchschnittliche Hashperformance der letzten 7 Tage: 353 bis 359Mh/s auf jeder Karte. Im Desktop hab ich ne 6970er die mehr als das Doppelte gekostet hat und auch nur 400Mh/s schafft.

yes, scrolling is broken. you can scroll by marking the text and within a certain range by using the mouse wheel.

@OP: total crap, sorry. so it defaults to 32% per what? day? 10 days? 2016 blocks? the output is also rather useless. If I hit calculate for 180 days I am not particularly interested in day #111. reduce the output to 10 lines at max. with something like: 1st week you will stay above 0.02BTC/day, 1st month above 0.015BTC/day .... and in the end you will have 0.532BTC. (there is no point in giving more than 3 digits precision. Neither for difficulty nor for results as I doubt you will achieve more than 1.5 digits precision at predicting the network growth rate.

voting the winner will be a problem when money is involved. make it per user and they will register users to grab the check pot. make it per bitcoin and somebody will just vote x+1BTC to his own video to get the winning vote.
screw democracy in this case, make the jury public, make videos of a jury debating the best entries and attribute the winner with reasoning and fun in the show.

urgs böses halbwissen. der dampfkochtopf hat im wesentlichen keine "bessere wärmeleitung" sondern gart bei höherer temperatur. unter druck steigt der siedepunkt des wassers.

Well if this is your scenario then why wouldn't they just decide to make the reward 10k per block as of today? Yes they could fork the chain but those blocks would not get accepted by the rest of the bitcoinDs. So you mine BTC' that will not comply to BTC. Guess that's a stupid plan. Exchanges and honest users would not accept those.

Better they start a new chain then ...

bitcoin wallet keeps eating wallet files and is not a functional wallet yet. unfortunately that is true for the other app as far as i read here on the forum. some guy got the same issue with persistent crashes at startup that i know too well from bitcoin wallet.

i hope that bitcoin wallet stays as honest as it was and sticks with testnet for the time being as i so far lost all my test coins i used to show it to my friends. if the trouble is due to bitcoinJ@android then bitcoin wallet was the first to receive a reward in my eyes but bitcoinJ deserves its share as well once the issues are solved.