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1561  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: ETH to DAO swap at Bittrex on: May 05, 2016, 09:26:08 PM

and "terms of any contract" would be proposed and up for discussion in the two weeks prior to voting?

really curious how a proposal would be put forth and how much legalese could be disseminated by the crypto community.


That's a more important question and we are still waiting to see exactly how it will be done.  I think part of the problem is it has never been done on this sort of level before - normally it would just be up to a handful of people to analyse the contract and make a decision.  Due to the scale with the DAO and it being a new process I think this will definitely require some experimentation and iteration.  I think the only way to be sure if it will work and how it will work is to actually start the process.
1562  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: ETH to DAO swap at Bittrex on: May 05, 2016, 05:42:19 PM
I think it is a valid concern considering that the DAO has little legal recourse or protection. What would happen if say Samsung just came in and bought out Slock.it next year? The DAO has no equity, so they would not benefit like a traditional VC would in the case of a buyout.

Who told you that?  The DAO has the same legal recourse and protection as any international company.  Why would you assume differently?  Even if Samsung bought out Slock.it they would still have to fulfil the terms of the contract or face legal sanction.
1563  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] FACTOM - Introducing Honesty to Record-Keeping on: May 05, 2016, 05:35:40 PM

tyz, I already have more than 4% of the total amount factoids. I think that I have enough of what I have and do not plan to buy more. Thank you.Wink

If you need someone to help you look after them I'm happy to take care of 50% of those for you.
1564  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: ETH to DAO swap at Bittrex on: May 05, 2016, 12:24:10 PM

Thanks for the explanation.

There seems to be a potential problem with this approach though. What happens if after a successful startup, the DAO funded company walks away with the idea(s)/IP and builds it into a wealthy company via a more traditional route? It would seem like DAO based investors are SOL. How would breach of contract be pursued? What exactly do the DAO funders own? How is any agreement drafted in accordance with business contract law? Claiming that the DAO holders can fund the next MS, GOOG, or FB is a bit of a stretch because someone could come in and skim off the cream.

Not really a problem.  There would still be contracts just as with any business deal and if the company broke the contract the DAO or someone elected by the DAO could sue them.  Same way any company or corporation takes another entity to court.
1565  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] FACTOM - Introducing Honesty to Record-Keeping on: May 04, 2016, 11:46:43 PM
The Volume has to do with Lending and Margin-Trading. It's possible for Factom and some others:

https://poloniex.com/lending  (list is on the right side)
https://poloniex.com/marginTrading#btc_fct

It's not possible for NEM/XEM.

Yes.  I just permanently keep my Factom lent out.  That way it is at least slowly growing as opposed to doing nothing.
1566  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: THIS Proves Craig Wright Created Bitcoin and is Satoshi Nakamoto on: May 04, 2016, 08:14:54 PM
I now believe that this is the finest piece of video in Bitcoin history.  We must create a religion around it!
1567  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: ETH to DAO swap at Bittrex on: May 04, 2016, 05:21:32 PM
I am looking at thin DAO thing more like contract simple contract rather than usaul coin with value in both short term and long term. Somebody have explained that DAO tokens are like voting rights in the companies which will addapt DAO in their system or something. Still more need to know about this but for sure this is helping ethereum to roar more than it could have without it. Power of DAMPP or Smart contracts is taking action  Grin Grin

I would recommend listening to the latest episode of the Bitcoin Podcast (here: http://thebitcoinpodcast.com/episode-57/ , also available on Itunes). 

I was also very skeptical about the DAO but after reading more about it and hearing Stephen Tual (creator of Slock.it) talk about it on the podcast I really began to understand it better.  One way of thinking about the DAO (assuming I'm not misunderstanding) is a bit like a Venture Capital firm operating on the Ethereum blockchain. 

The holders of the DAO tokens get to vote on the important decisions (like the board of a VC company) and decide which companies to invest in.  Those companies then use the investment to create their business and the DAO (comprising of the DAO token holders) share in the profits from those companies, raising further capital which can then be reused to invest in other new companies. 

Although there is no guarantee of success it is interesting to imagine what would happen if one of the companies that the DAO invested in became the next Facebook, Google or Microsoft. 

It is also quite feasible that Vitalik and his cohorts will go with a private for profit foundation for the next iteration of Ethereum, DAO would be the perfect way to do it and note that Vitalik and the rest of the Ether team are already part of the DAO too.

Whatever happens I think this certainly has the potential to be massive considering it has almost equalled the amount of money (in dollars) that Ethereum raised, in a matter of a few days and there are still 23 days to go.  As the deadline approaches the hype will become unstoppable and more and more money will pour in due to people's FOMO.
1568  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: THIS Proves Craig Wright Created Bitcoin and is Satoshi Nakamoto on: May 04, 2016, 01:03:40 PM
"Really? Obviously...." I think everyone is trying hard to believe the announcement.
Why do u say this? U did not have watched the video, because otherwise u would know that it was a sarcastic thread and a video with craig wrigth as a clown, lol.

Yes it's a joke.  It's a newsroom error where they showed some guy dressed as a clown and proclaimed it was Craig Wright - I thought everyone would appreciate the laugh.  I certainly enjoyed it!  Even my brother who doesn't give a stuff about bitcoin thought it was funny.
1569  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Speculation (Altcoins) / Re: Ether price? on: May 03, 2016, 09:22:03 PM
Nearly 15 million dollars (1.54m in ETHER) for DAO now and 24 days to go. 

Ethereum raised 18.5 million total and by the time they exchanged their bitcoins it was a lot less (in dollars). 

Whatever you think of the long term or technical aspects of DAO it's inevitably going to be huge and the hype is only going to keep increasing as the deadline for the sale approaches.  FOMO is gong to create a massive amount of hysteria about this particularly once the mainstream media cotton on to it. 

I think the final figure could easily be double what it is now.  That can only be good both for those investing in the DAO and the value of ether (due to the significant number being removed from circulation).
1570  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] NeuCoin - Easy to use, free to try, focused on micropayments - Official on: May 03, 2016, 09:11:45 PM
This was the one big crowd sale that I lost money on.
1571  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: THIS Proves Craig Wright Created Bitcoin and is Satoshi Nakamoto on: May 03, 2016, 05:11:56 PM
Best laugh I've had in ages guys!  It's so perfect I think the spirit of Hal Finney or the real Satoshi (if conspiracy theories are true) must have had a hand in it.
1572  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / THIS Proves Craig Wright Created Bitcoin and is Satoshi Nakamoto on: May 02, 2016, 09:53:34 PM
Apologies if this has been posted before but if you want REAL proof this youtube video proves it:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H2euMNmsb_s

Don't believe it?  Watch it and you'll understand.
1573  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Speculation (Altcoins) / Re: Ether price? on: May 02, 2016, 05:25:56 PM
Could be more shenanigans. Does anyone have a link to somewhere that tells how much DAO is being sold?

https://daohub.org

12.85 million dollars/1.31 million ether right now.
1574  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [PRE-ANN] WAVES. Ultimate crypto-tokens blockchain platform. on: May 02, 2016, 04:50:27 PM
I can confirm that the team member know as Yuri Gagarin is actually Satoshi Nakamoto.  I will not be providing proof.
1575  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [PRE-ANN] WAVES. Ultimate crypto-tokens blockchain platform. on: May 02, 2016, 04:32:04 PM
I am selling my WAVES ico account.

0.72 btc were deposited on the first day for the 20% bonus. It will also get the newsletter, twitter, and facebook bounties.

I am willing to take 0.72 btc for it. PM me if interested. Escrow only.

http://prnt.sc/azb0l1

Curios... why are you selling your account?

To make those with weak balls panic.
1576  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Speculation (Altcoins) / Re: Ether price? on: May 02, 2016, 04:25:32 PM
I suspect the current pump will last until the end of the DAO sale then there's a high probability it will start to fall again until the next Ether innovation (pyramid scheme) when it will undoubtably pump again.
1577  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] FACTOM - Introducing Honesty to Record-Keeping on: May 01, 2016, 09:13:31 PM
I think, at least it's safe to say that it won't be boring.

Another interesting article about a great potential use case:

The Future of Medical Records: Two Blockchain Experts Weigh In

(...)

Peter Kirby, CEO of Factom, a company that employs blockchain technology to change how businesses manage data and keep records, describes the medical records space as “one of the biggest, hairiest record keeping problems on earth, especially in the U.S.” In fact, Factom just brought in a VP of Products who is a former medical records professional.....etc

https://btcmanager.com/news/the-future-of-medical-records-two-blockchain-experts-weigh-in/

This would be even more relevant to the UK.  There is a big problem with the medical records system and there was a scandal a few years ago with a new NHS computer system having to be scrapped after spending several hundred million pounds when it failed to meet expectations. 

The NHS is still crying out for a modernised (single) system which is both secure and standardised - at the moment each hospital trust has it's own completely different system with incompatibilities between hospitals, primary care and different regions being a daily hurdle.

With a centralised NHS and a government that is highly enthusiastic about the blockchain Factom would be a perfect fit here.  I suspect it is only a matter of time before some blockchain company (even if it isn't Factom) wins that contract and it would dwarf (in monetary and adoption size) any previous blockchain achievements.

This kind of stuff is part of the reason I'm so enthusiastic about Factom.  They seem to be talking directly to the big players and doing the big deals already, whereas other blockchain companies/cryptocurrencies are just making great pronouncements about the future - including Ethereum and especially those involved with Bitcoin development who seem to be big on making speeches but seem to bring very little to actual fruition. 

I would not be surprised if in a year's time Factom is more valuable than Ether.
1578  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] FACTOM - Introducing Honesty to Record-Keeping on: May 01, 2016, 08:55:58 PM
Does anyone else get the feeling that Factom is in some sort of unannounced partnership with IBM?

They have already been working with IBM in a roundabout way (see earlier news post) so it would make sense.  Obviously we would only here about it once everything was finalised and then it would be too late to profit!
1579  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] Syscoin-FINAL BETA LAUNCHED! *ENCRYPTION, MARKETPLACE, BTC INTEGRATION* on: May 01, 2016, 04:17:41 PM
SYScoin 2.0 officially live according to Twitter.

https://twitter.com/syscoin/status/726807145937797120
1580  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] Syscoin-FINAL BETA LAUNCHED! *ENCRYPTION, MARKETPLACE, BTC INTEGRATION* on: May 01, 2016, 03:25:42 PM
From Twitter:

Quote
Syscoin 2.0 Block explorer is alive at https://chainz.cryptoid.info/sys2/
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