I gotta say phin I had my issues with how you went at things at first. But I went through some of your other posts in other threads that exposed some stuff. It might be the nuclear method but it gets results. To be honest, it truly is a fault of mine, with never intending to hurt the innocent, and apologizing if such happens. My research comes for the heart and rarely for the sake of a vendetta, but AMT comes pretty close in that regard... because Josh called me an idiot.  +1 Some of you "Pro-AMT" people might say "Well what does his college degree, or his previous start-ups have to do with AMT???". Well, it's simple really: his prior actions prove intent and trustworthiness. Joshua Zipkin has a plethora of bogus start-ups, manufacturers fake social media reviews, and lies about his education: is this someone you want to buy something from, or let manage your money? Would you trust someone that lies their ass off about where they went to college? I wouldn't. This guy is your run of the mill fraudster. He thinks he can 'get rich quick' by creating a fantasy story about producing miners, when in reality he's just slapping an AMT sticker on someone else's hard work and calling it his own. These fucking clowns obviously have ZERO technical skill, or at least enough to manufacturer bleeding edge technology. I don't even trust them to RESELL hardware from another source, because I honestly believe they would fuck that up somehow. I'm glad to see AMT support is now at an all-time LOW; it gets hard to make excuses for these fuckers after all of this time and lack of updates on what's going on. Joshua Zipkin, you are a piece of shit and a detriment to this community. You take advantage of people and are the worst kind of scum on the planet. You're just a greedy thief and liar, they should lock your ass up and throw away the key. |
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You guys have done an excellent job of confusing new customers, thank you. But as we've said before, its best to be at the top of this section either way. So we appreciate your support in sending confused clients to our site and allowing us to convert them into sales. All we have to say is "read three pages of that thread and tell me that it doesn't seem a bit fishy".
We've been returning phone calls and emails, but the majority of them are asking about an updates for their order, so we'll be posting updates in the news section and we'll even start sending out emails too.
We treat our clients as investors, and with respect. We don't respect this thread despite the fact that our clients choose to come here and read this bs,. As we've said before the crap that is allowed to take place here is so bad that we don't even come around to look at it.
News flash you STUPID FUCK. This thread is full of YOUR customers. I would say that Josh Zipkin purposely let his fuckin' thread go to pot so that he could back here later, read today, and claim such. Take a look at the GAW Miners thread and see how quickly I was shut down and laid any concerns I had with them to rest. AMT had every motherfuckin' opportunity to have this thread go in the same direction with or without issues concerning their product line, but opted for chaos. FUCK YOU JOSHUA ZIPKIN! Yeah, except AMT doesn't have anything to show for what they say. If they had photos, videos or proof that the miners existed and were shipping out - they would post it immediately to defuse all of this FUD. Joshua Zipkin has a masters degree in FRAUD. |
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You guys have done an excellent job of confusing new customers, thank you. But as we've said before, its best to be at the top of this section either way. So we appreciate your support in sending confused clients to our site and allowing us to convert them into sales. All we have to say is "read three pages of that thread and tell me that it doesn't seem a bit fishy".
We've been returning phone calls and emails, but the majority of them are asking about an updates for their order, so we'll be posting updates in the news section and we'll even start sending out emails too.
We treat our clients as investors, and with respect. We don't respect this thread despite the fact that our clients choose to come here and read this bs,. As we've said before the crap that is allowed to take place here is so bad that we don't even come around to look at it.
News flash you STUPID FUCK. This thread is full of YOUR customers. |
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I'm calling BULLSHIT on what AMT has posted. If they've shipped 146 miners, where is a single photo or video of one of these miners hashing? AMT_Miners: You want to call us trolls, but you dug yourself into this hole for being completely unprofessional. No solid updates, answered emails, or phone calls. You guys are so full of shit. Don't blame the users here for your shitty business ethics and lack of professionalism. Why don't you let us know who/what orders have been fulfilled? Perhaps we can get some information from those people, since you (AMT) are hell bent on not sharing any information about the miners. The only thing AMT ever posts are excuses with not a drop of usable information. We treat our clients as investors, and with respect. This is the biggest joke I've read. You must be living in some bizarro world where the word 'respect' means to ignore completely. I suspect AMT is using this kind of a message to claim to the authorities that it's on the up and up. They are complete idiots if they think a forum post with no tracking numbers or hard evidence is going prove anything and actually hold up in court. I suspect they are trying to delay once again, and possibly hold people off from filing complaints and taking action. I suggest people continue filing FTC complaints and pursuing legal action. Until we get some actual evidence of the miners going out to customers, DO NOT RELENT! AMT's word means nothing at this point. |
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AMT_Miners: You want to get out of the hole you've dug yourself into? You can start by telling us this:
Where is Clennel's refund?
It's a simple question. He would like to know, along with everyone else watching this thread.
The only thing people here know is that you (Joshua Zipkin) emailed Clennel saying you'd "ship him a miner as punishment". What's your side of the story?
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I'm calling BULLSHIT on what AMT has posted. If they've shipped 146 miners, where is a single photo or video of one of these miners hashing? AMT_Miners: You want to call us trolls, but you dug yourself into this hole for being completely unprofessional. No solid updates, answered emails, or phone calls. You guys are so full of shit. Don't blame the users here for your shitty business ethics and lack of professionalism. Why don't you let us know who/what orders have been fulfilled? Perhaps we can get some information from those people, since you (AMT) are hell bent on not sharing any information about the miners. The only thing AMT ever posts are excuses with not a drop of usable information. We treat our clients as investors, and with respect. This is the biggest joke I've read. You must be living in some bizarro world where the word 'respect' means to ignore completely. |
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Well if AMT doesn't want people posting reviews and blogs on the internet, that's exactly what we should do! We should post as many reviews and blogs as possible detailing how poor AMT is as a company. No emails, no call backs, and now no updates even? Legal action is great but in order to stick it to AMT we should shed light on the truth behind Josh Zipkin and his bogus companies created soley with the intent of stealing money. We should post so many reviews that Mr Zipkin has to go back to Bulgaria to carry on with his shenanigans. We need to make it so that Josh can no longer run these bogus start ups, and if it keeps him from acquiring a legitimate job in the process then so be it - he brought that upon himself. The truth is out greatest weapon against AMT, and sometimes the truth can be excruciatingly painful.
If you ask me, time has come and passed for apologies and acceptable "setbacks". There are people here who were promised delivery MONTHS ago and are stil left empty handed. My order is very closely approaching my two month deadline. It's time to take matters into our own hands and do the one thing AMT REALLY doesn't want us to do... Write detailed and truthful reviews about our horrific experience.
To whoever started that AMT clients blog page - thank you for that. I will be submitting my review as well shortly.
+1 - depending on how this turns out, we should make sure to document everything on blogs so that when Joshua Zipkin is googled: these blogs come up letting people know of his shady business dealings. |
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Reputation alone can hurt. At the moment its a crowded space. The only players who will win out are the ones who deliver and can provide superior customer service. This community may be a bit contentious at times, but it appears to be effective getting results from vendors. The successful ones have been the ones who have set correct expectations and have not misled their customers. My initial assessment when I came on here was that those people flaming the company were trolls. I still hold that opinion about the people who have nothing to contribute but trash talk. But there have been some who when looking further have contributed details that were relevant in outing the companies business practices. The important thing here is to sort the fact from fiction and ignore the totally useless crap. Then you get a real picture of whats going on. Misleading statements, unfulfilled promises and in that manner a consistent patter of both, that's generally the red flag.
AMT lost the trust of the community when they decided to attack it and "punish" customers from is evidenced on the emailed interactions on more than one person. Throwing customers under the bus isn't helpful. Having the support of a few people is not enough. The feedback is clear. Communicate clearly and honestly. MEET your expectations. I will repeat this in the hopes that they see it and actually deliver on that. The failure here was that AMT clearly seems to have decided to abandon communications. Now the community is starting to mobilize against them.
They clearly are not a scam just apparently horribly mismanaged from a public perspective, but they are in sore need a of a PR person to handle communications. A social media community manager. They have a facebook, twitter and even a skype account. And their own blog. None of which are being used to full effect in my opinion.
This situation now has everyone watching them and putting them under the microscope. Sadly tho with some people this needs to happen to get them to right themselves. There was plenty of feedback early on that might have helped avoid all this.
Look into Joshua Zipkin's other start-ups, and how he's manipulated their social media pages to look favorable with fake likes and +1's. With that said, I wouldn't trust much from AMT in that respect. And, if you recall, I was the only one pointing out that Joshua Zipkin sold such a service on at least one of his super-duper sites where he acts as its Jewish Bulgarian Freemasons' CEO. Marketing major my ASS! What kind of marketing is it to bloat a companies' social media pages with complete utter fakery? The only companies that would engage in this kind of marketing strategy are likely to be illegitimate ones. The IBM's of the world aren't exactly lining up to have Joshua Zipkin manage their social media for them. |
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They could be mining for our refunds. Let's hope that isn't the case.
Giorgio from Bitmine hasn't been much help. I PM'd him asking for an order list of what AMT has purchased from them. They wouldn't disclose that information without AMT signing off on it. Wouldn't it be something if Giorgio informed us that AMT only purchased the chips shown in the pictures?
(Insufficient amount to fulfill what was ordered from AMT).
Perhaps it's time we put some pressure on Bitmine. If they sold chips to AMT who isn't delivering or communicating, they should step up and inform the investors (us) about what was bought from them. It is their product on the line anyways, and the video of Josh and Giorgio talking about how "AMT IS THE OFFICIAL BITMINE DISTRIBUTOR FOR THE USA" ties Bitmine to this debacle.
In other words, once Giorgio decided to star in a video with Josh claiming this: he essentially vouched for Josh to the community. Now that Josh appears to be fucking us over, Giorgio needs to step up and do the right thing.
How much would it cost me to purchase a lot of obsolete chips and have my logo stamped on them so that I would have something real to show for a photo shoot or to some walk-in? For a video presentation, I could show some device with a fan operating on it with the wires leading up to a monitor, but what's really connected to the monitor is some other functioning miner. Any stats displayed could be easily altered, with or without any device connected, with the fan noise in the background completing the illusion. If you are referring to his bitfury miner demo video on youtube - watch it again, you'll notice the video cuts shot when he shows the laptop monitor hashing. Therefore one can argue he could of had anything hooked up to the screen. Regardless, we aren't disputing the hasing of the bitfury based miners : there is no evidence thus far of the 1.2TH model hashing at all.  |
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Reputation alone can hurt. At the moment its a crowded space. The only players who will win out are the ones who deliver and can provide superior customer service. This community may be a bit contentious at times, but it appears to be effective getting results from vendors. The successful ones have been the ones who have set correct expectations and have not misled their customers. My initial assessment when I came on here was that those people flaming the company were trolls. I still hold that opinion about the people who have nothing to contribute but trash talk. But there have been some who when looking further have contributed details that were relevant in outing the companies business practices. The important thing here is to sort the fact from fiction and ignore the totally useless crap. Then you get a real picture of whats going on. Misleading statements, unfulfilled promises and in that manner a consistent patter of both, that's generally the red flag.
AMT lost the trust of the community when they decided to attack it and "punish" customers from is evidenced on the emailed interactions on more than one person. Throwing customers under the bus isn't helpful. Having the support of a few people is not enough. The feedback is clear. Communicate clearly and honestly. MEET your expectations. I will repeat this in the hopes that they see it and actually deliver on that. The failure here was that AMT clearly seems to have decided to abandon communications. Now the community is starting to mobilize against them.
They clearly are not a scam just apparently horribly mismanaged from a public perspective, but they are in sore need a of a PR person to handle communications. A social media community manager. They have a facebook, twitter and even a skype account. And their own blog. None of which are being used to full effect in my opinion.
This situation now has everyone watching them and putting them under the microscope. Sadly tho with some people this needs to happen to get them to right themselves. There was plenty of feedback early on that might have helped avoid all this.
Look into Joshua Zipkin's other start-ups, and how he's manipulated their social media pages to look favorable with fake likes and +1's. With that said, I wouldn't trust much from AMT in that respect. |
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They could be mining for our refunds. Let's hope that isn't the case.
Giorgio from Bitmine hasn't been much help. I PM'd him asking for an order list of what AMT has purchased from them. They wouldn't disclose that information without AMT signing off on it. Wouldn't it be something if Giorgio informed us that AMT only purchased the chips shown in the pictures?
(Insufficient amount to fulfill what was ordered from AMT).
Perhaps it's time we put some pressure on Bitmine. If they sold chips to AMT who isn't delivering or communicating, they should step up and inform the investors (us) about what was bought from them. It is their product on the line anyways, and the video of Josh and Giorgio talking about how "AMT IS THE OFFICIAL BITMINE DISTRIBUTOR FOR THE USA" ties Bitmine to this debacle.
In other words, once Giorgio decided to star in a video with Josh claiming this: he essentially vouched for Josh to the community. Now that Josh appears to be fucking us over, Giorgio needs to step up and do the right thing.
My guess is that Giorgio is also getting fucked by amt in this whole thing by accoiation. He can't make amt communicate and we don't have any express ed contract with him.I don't know if there is any implied contact with him as chip designer if it's the chip that is defective. We definitely need to figure out how to tie Bitmine.ch to this mess. I mean, if you vouched for AMT as "exclusive distributor for U.S.A": We’re happy to announce that Advanced Mining Technology Inc. has been awarded an exclusive distribution contract for Bitmine’s CoinCraft A1 based products in the USA! Customers from the US can finally purchase miners based on the industry leading CoinCraft A1 technology directly from AMT, a local manufacturer of Bitcoin miners. Then Bitmine should have some responsibility if they don't deliver. This is a bit complicated because it spans different countries. It's simple. If Bitmine wants to "do right", Giorgio will cooperate with us and let us know how much hardware AMT purchased from them. If we knew that, then we could find out if AMT even bought enough hardware to fulfill all of the orders placed for miners. Maybe we can also find out if AMT has returned any hardware and what they have brought to Bitmine in terms of build/manufacturing issues. It would be a good starting point. If Giorgio doesn't want to cooperate with the community, well then Bitmine's name will be smeared along with AMT's. This isn't a threat, just the reality of what happens when you associate with a fraud, and not try to make things right after learning this. I nominate you to figure out these details! Best of luck!! I'll PM him to visit the thread and ask if he can help us out with information. Don't hold your breath. |
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They could be mining for our refunds. Let's hope that isn't the case.
Giorgio from Bitmine hasn't been much help. I PM'd him asking for an order list of what AMT has purchased from them. They wouldn't disclose that information without AMT signing off on it. Wouldn't it be something if Giorgio informed us that AMT only purchased the chips shown in the pictures?
(Insufficient amount to fulfill what was ordered from AMT).
Perhaps it's time we put some pressure on Bitmine. If they sold chips to AMT who isn't delivering or communicating, they should step up and inform the investors (us) about what was bought from them. It is their product on the line anyways, and the video of Josh and Giorgio talking about how "AMT IS THE OFFICIAL BITMINE DISTRIBUTOR FOR THE USA" ties Bitmine to this debacle.
In other words, once Giorgio decided to star in a video with Josh claiming this: he essentially vouched for Josh to the community. Now that Josh appears to be fucking us over, Giorgio needs to step up and do the right thing.
My guess is that Giorgio is also getting fucked by amt in this whole thing by accoiation. He can't make amt communicate and we don't have any express ed contract with him.I don't know if there is any implied contact with him as chip designer if it's the chip that is defective. We definitely need to figure out how to tie Bitmine.ch to this mess. I mean, if you vouched for AMT as "exclusive distributor for U.S.A": We’re happy to announce that Advanced Mining Technology Inc. has been awarded an exclusive distribution contract for Bitmine’s CoinCraft A1 based products in the USA! Customers from the US can finally purchase miners based on the industry leading CoinCraft A1 technology directly from AMT, a local manufacturer of Bitcoin miners. Then Bitmine should have some responsibility if they don't deliver. This is a bit complicated because it spans different countries. It's simple. If Bitmine wants to "do right", Giorgio will cooperate with us and let us know how much hardware AMT purchased from them. If we knew that, then we could find out if AMT even bought enough hardware to fulfill all of the orders placed for miners. Maybe we can also find out if AMT has returned any hardware and what they have brought to Bitmine in terms of build/manufacturing issues. It would be a good starting point. If Giorgio doesn't want to cooperate with the community, well then Bitmine's name will be smeared along with AMT's. This isn't a threat, just the reality of what happens when you associate with a fraud, and not try to make things right after learning this. |
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They could be mining for our refunds. Let's hope that isn't the case.
Giorgio from Bitmine hasn't been much help. I PM'd him asking for an order list of what AMT has purchased from them. They wouldn't disclose that information without AMT signing off on it. Wouldn't it be something if Giorgio informed us that AMT only purchased the chips shown in the pictures?
(Insufficient amount to fulfill what was ordered from AMT).
Perhaps it's time we put some pressure on Bitmine. If they sold chips to AMT who isn't delivering or communicating, they should step up and inform the investors (us) about what was bought from them. It is their product on the line anyways, and the video of Josh and Giorgio talking about how "AMT IS THE OFFICIAL BITMINE DISTRIBUTOR FOR THE USA" ties Bitmine to this debacle.
In other words, once Giorgio decided to star in a video with Josh claiming this: he essentially vouched for Josh to the community. Now that Josh appears to be fucking us over, Giorgio needs to step up and do the right thing.
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Perhaps they are mining coins until the very last moment in which they can get the miners to customers without being liable, then shipping.
We'll see in another 10 days I guess.
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I think it's pretty well established what they have been doing/not doing at this point. Whatever customer support they had, really has gone out the window. They need to start showing some kind of communication to their customers. Public announcements on their website for starters. Something or a mass email to their customers detailing the reason for the delays.
The fact that Josh did not respond to any of the folks who volunteered to help in 'assembly' tells me that there's nothing left to expect from this AMT. The best we can all do now is help build our legal case against the company. Can anyone check if they are accepting new orders? I want to know that despite failure to deliver, whether AMT continues to accept new orders. I believe they are. If you look at the 'remaining inventory' left on the newer model miners (2.4/3.2) the numbers have gone down from what they previously were for what's "still avaiable to purchase for April". |
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Has anyone looked at Josh's other YouTube video?? I honestly don't understand...
What's there to understand? Other than it's worrisome that this numbnuts has everyones' money. |
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Wonder where RWMAX went? (AKA: Joshua Zipkin) Sirminesalot:
You are a joke and obviously a hired troll. Your posts are retarded, and obviously created to try and sway readers opinions of AMT. No one cares who is behind AMT or who works in their office. No one cares about corporate filings and registrations in an industry that creates a deregulated currency.
I'm a fan of AMT. I love the fact that they just get'r done. They are an unorthodox group of guys from Philly, they lack that high level of class and pr that we all know so well from so many other companies that have made us wait or havn't delivered at all. Their pricing is affordable and their legal status is unknown or possibly somewhat grey. They offer a product, we buy it and it works. If i had to compare the characteristics of AMT to anything, the first that comes to mind is simply.. Bitcoin itself.
I was hesitant at first but after receiving one of their 128's and excellent support from Jim while setting it up, I ordered three 1.2th's.
My experience thus far:
I ordered a 128ghs in late November, I received it the first week of January. They were late with about 5 days from their suggested 4 week delivery. This was attributed to the holidays.
When I received my miner it was a bit discombobulated due to shipping and possible poor installation/mounting of the boards. I spoke with jim on the phone, he walked me through it step by step and i was mining about 30 minutes later and have been so since. Also, it was at 12:30am when he provided that support.
I felt happy, and satisfied, and the next week I ordered three 1.2's and look forward to receiving them.
Sirminesalot, your efforts to tarnish this one legitimate company are noticed by many, they see through your bullshit and they realize your a either a paid shrill or 14 year old that cant afford a miner. Please take AMT's earlier advice and just go away. No one likes you here and your ultimately not welcome.
The difference between every other mining manufacturer and AMT is the personalized approach they offer to their clients. The fact that they are even trying to give support is a plus in my book, I ordered from Hashfast and I still can't get them on the phone. AMT answers the phone when you call and returns messages when you leave them. They are one of the 4 companies in this great country of ours that manufacture these machines and we need to support them in anyway we can to help them become the empire they will become. They are still offering March delivery while everyone else offers May, its because they are real and that's the real build time based on their current orders.
I don't want a slice of credible PR followed by a bad news report or updates in my inbox regarding delays and upgrades on a minner that will never come. I dont need technical details of their miners or pics of their boards or care who's chip their using. I need a hashrate and consumption estimate. I took a gamble on this industry, on bitcoin, on the difficulty and on the guys from AMT. And how ever unorthodox they may be, they are in America and they have shipped miners.
That's all I care about, receiving my miners.
- Max order#1162 Sirminesalot:
I'm a repeat customer of AMT. My first order has been fulfilled, my second order will be fulfilled as well. If i follow this thread right, your not even a customer of AMT.
We're not kissing ass, we're just glad that there is a company that is legit, located in america, and ships miners to it's customers.
If AMT delivers, people won't care who is behind it. Just like you don't care who is behind the majority of the products you buy. When you book a plane ticket, do you care who is behind Expedia? No you don't, you simply reserved your plane ticket, and Expedia takes your money for your order.
AMT just got their chips in on Friday the 31st. They reported a problem with the boards on Wednesday, and honestly i'd be skeptical if there wasn't a problem. Ordering new boards takes time, 3 business day minimum and express prices are quite a lot in the PCB printing world. If they get their boards in this week, yes they could ship out end of the week, beginning of next week. And they have just said that they will do just that.
If they have their chips for more than a month and haven't delivered anything we will start asking questions. But as of now, if they start shipping next week, that'll actually be impressive in this industry.
Also, those that have declared ownership, paid for PR, had great reps and good backgrounds, skillsets applicable to the industry and millions to work with still have not gotten the job done. In such instances all we see is a name of a guy we don't know who made a miner that overheats. But at least we know his name, his position, his title and ownership percentage, and the fact that he probably wears his BLUETOOTH headset while he bangs the broad of the evening which has been written off as a company expense. That's really important stuff.
At this point, we'll take the shady co from Philly that sells on amazon which has already delivered a product.
Sirminesalot, I don't think you mine a lot. And again no one likes you. Name: RWmax Posts: 35 Activity: 35 Position: Jr. Member Date Registered: February 11, 2014, 07:05:21 AM Last Active: March 20, 2014, 05:35:34 PM Oh, well good to know Josh is checking the thread with THAT username at least. |
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Lying about University credentials is also very telling of his character.
If you're willing to lie about your education on several online profiles and resumes, then you probably wouldn't just stop there. I wouldn't be surprised if Joshua Zipkin has a criminal record or has committed multiple frauds in the past. I guess one benefit of doing business in Bulgaria for him is that they wouldn't check his university credentials and he can lie his ass about his education and job history in the States.
Everything we read about Joshua Zipkin is shady & negative. In retrospect, he'd be the last guy I'd trust with my money.
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