As amt compared them selfs with apple  and they silently admitted most of the work is subcontracted. The only hope for you is they to find right people for the job. Meanwhile time is ticktackingng away. So time will tell if they will found appropriate people at all. I am starting to wander how they were chosen to be bitmine partners because: 1. They sold zero coincraft chips 2. They have added Zero to bitmine business in terms of engineering programing or designing terms. Famous AMT engenders are josh and his father probably well known with their engineering skills 3. They have waited long enough to copy bitmine design and despite of bitmine they have not shipped a single nut 4. While all this happens china borders will flood market with miners ready to mine for 5k almost at chip price. Yeah I know the stolen/legal chip rumors but it will not stop them 5. All the above will drawn their customers and probably amt also. Roi is a fiction So who cares that reputable US company will be able to make domestic miner delivery in near feature Conclusion .... They a good at Bulgarian psychology and habits, parking tickets and a free stakes I agree, the whole 'Made in America' thing is just a marketing gimmick. At the end of the day, would you go with an "American company" if it meant your purchase took 2 or 3 times as long to arrive as the competitions' in China? Probably not, especially in a competitive and time sensitive business like bitcoin mining. Besides, when I read Josh Zipkin's post I don't think American. I think Bulgarian, using America to make money. There is very little "american-anything" about AMT and their miners. Their updates and communication has been horrid, and so has the build quality and QC of their miners. If anything, their miners look more like something made in a chinese knock-off factory. Bad business is bad business. If a company is professional and treats their customers with respect, I will give them my money: regardless of where they are located in the world (China/Europe/etc). In this case the fact that AMT is supposedly based out of the U.S.A hasn't done much to get us good updates, communication, or product delivered on time. |
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Probably not a bad idea, like YourPalToots did with the "order" thread. Maybe make an AMT Users thread for when/if people start getting their miners.
I find it disturbing that so few people (even on other fora) have confirmed getting even the bitfury units. Yeah, I know that people are not under any obligation to do so, but for just about every other mfg/brand that has shipped, there are dozens of people talking about their shiny (or not so shiny) machine. THIS is where my problme lies. The machine they gave me (for which I'm grateful) is obsolete. They should have delivered a boatload of 'em, as the price was decent for what it was and they advertised a lot. Where are the wild machines? I've seen about ten from members here, found ref to maybe ten more using google and other fora.
I would very much like to be wrong on this. I WANT AMT to be a good outfit.
Agreed, it seems like there are only a few of those models out there and in the hands of people. I tried to ask Martin how many bitfury based boards were sold to AMT, but he said he couldn't disclose that information without AMT's approval first. My guess is that it was a very low number of miners, and primarily done to rouse up buyers for the larger upcoming models. I am surprised that many buyers here are not HORRIFIED that AMT has come on here and asked for help assembling from the community. It just goes to show that they were completely unprepared for the task at hand, and every day that goes by equates to lost BTC. It's a shame, and enough for me to say "Stay away from AMT!" After all of this, and with the emerging competition of other companies building Coincraft based miners: suggesting others to buy from AMT is very unlikely. I'm sure that won't matter though, people get burned and walk away, and new customers take their place. It's like a revolving door, hopefully this thread will be a lesson to those in the future. |
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While the pictures aren't very focused, I appreciate some sort of update. Unfortunately I think by the time these things get out the door, they will be vaporware. ISAWHIM is trying to stay positive about mining alternative coins with the miner, but for most I doubt they will see a return. We still need users to receive them and run them successfully. We aren't out of the woods yet.
And Bulgaria is a very nice country and very beautiful country. we enjoyed our time there, we respect the Bulgarian people and think in the technical fields, there are some absolutely brilliant individuals that are not recognized for their greatness. The only downside in your nation, and it has always been that way, is that Bulgarians do not confirm or unit as one, they don't work together well. They are brilliant, but must do everything alone if its possible.
Their lack of unification has caused them to suffer through years of bad political choices which led to a century enslavement, communism and now, well you watch the news. Their culture almost teaches the average Bulgarian person - to not trust anyone so quick. - and even when you've known him for years, still think twice about trusting him.
But more over, why Bulgaria wins this round. It would be the social life in Bulgaria, how people relax, sit on a table for 5 hours, drink and eat, the whole European thing, that's where they got it right.
Oh and the black sea. Anywhere along the bulgarian black sea coast is worth visiting. Sozopol/Nessebur.. its a nice one.
AMT_Miners = Joshua Zipkin. |
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AMT_MINERS: Since you are on here now, why dont you post some better photos of ONE of the completed 1.2TH miners? the previous pictures you posted were terrible.
This includes photos of the boards wired up, the case, and the unit hashing if possible.
You only seem to dedicate time posting to responses about frivolous bullshit, when everyone here wants more evidence that the miners are being produced and shipped.
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Fuck AMT and their incompetence.
1> Take money from buyers
2> Provide no updates and false promises
3> Miss all estimated shipping dates
4> Come back to the community of forum members you regard to as 'liars and trolls': crying about how you are understaffed and need us (the buyers) to now BUILD the miners for you and ourselves.
Ridiculous. This is like the screenplay to a really bad comedy.
Joshua Zipkin can go fuck himself, he doesn't deserve to be in business at all. All of you AMT cheerleaders (you know who you are) can also go eat a dick.
To even consider the thought of going to work for AMT after this shit storm, you guys are either retarded or just pathetic and desperate at this point.
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Funny how you take the time to post this TRIPE but you won't post real updates or photos when they are desperately needed. You need a lesson in how to run a business and a kick in the head. 20 Miners built a day, I'd like to see who they are going to. By your statement, you should have many miners shipped or being shipped. |
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If they have been producing at least 20 a day, where the hell are they?
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I'm waiting 48 hours before I proceed with legal action. It's the least I can do.
Keep us posted! I have requested a refund. If my request is not honored, I'm going to small claims court. No lawyer required. I doubt they want to spend their time battling out in small claims court with every customer. I hate to say it, but it sounds like you have WAY too much faith in the system. You should go back a few pages and read about AMT's business licensing (or lack thereof): I have a feeling it might be hard to nail these guys down, as their locations, business registrations, people involved --- it's just a long complicated rabbit hole. We need to act soon. By the time everyone gets their shit together, I have a feeling that Joshua Zipkin will be back in Bulgaria (if he's not ALREADY there) with the money. Then what will we do? Have him extradited to the U.S? |
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Just from a glance, those 4u miners look to have good ventilation (3x fans) and overall build quality look good. Just saying, comparatively to AMT's case. Space for 2 PSUs is a plus.
Wonder if they are legit?
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Why not save the time and expense of getting it all crammed into a case, and go the antminer route? Tying to sell them on looks alone? I would rather have something with the parts showing that works reliably, than something that looks nice and doesnt work for shit.
That is EXACTLY why. I ASSUME (yes, assume) they figured people would be "ooh'ing and ahh'ing" over the case, and not tear it open to find a clusterfuck of wires, hot glue, smeared thermal paste, and no name PSUs and USB Hubs. |
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And all I'm saying is, don't reassure people of the situation at hand: because we have legal avenues to pursue with AMT. At the end of the day, taking them to court/collections won't GUARANTEE they actually pay the judgement back.
With that said, everyone should listen to Frictionlesscoin and pursue legal action when the time comes.
You can go ahead and put me back on your ignore list.
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I am tired of your unconstructive B.S. If they don't ship, take them to court... that simple. A lot of the stuff you talk about isn't actionable information.
Yeah, it's called looking out for future investors that might get ripped off like the people in this thread. I doubt you even care about others though. It's funny, this: coming from you. You've been supporting AMT the whole time, and now look where we are. You're just sour grapes because they didn't come through and support you're fucked up logic of trusting EVERYONE on the internet without good reason. All you've been doing is trying to hawk your pre-orders since 50 pages back. I don't feel bad for you one bit. You're self interest has been very apparent this whole thread. All the garbage that you've been talking about has been entirely useless. I don't recall one post of yours that was helpful in any manner. And where is your helpful information? "Take it to small claims court?" Gee thanks. We would've never figured that one out. You must have a law degree. We'll see. At the end of the day we'll know whether you've actually helped anyone here, other than AMT: since you've already done your part to rouse up more orders for them and convince everyone they are coming through. So far (and unfortunately) you've been wrong about everything: Accept it. |
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I am tired of your unconstructive B.S. If they don't ship, take them to court... that simple. A lot of the stuff you talk about isn't actionable information.
Yeah, it's called looking out for future investors that might get ripped off like the people in this thread. I doubt you even care about others though. It's funny, this: coming from you. You've been supporting AMT the whole time, and now look where we are. You're just sour grapes because they didn't come through and therefore support you're fucked up logic of trusting EVERYONE on the internet without good reason. Besides: all you've been doing is trying to hawk your pre-orders since 50 pages back. I don't feel bad for you one bit. You're self interest has been very apparent this whole thread. |
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Very curious: if you bought with BTC and a refund is issued via BTC: will it be for the same amount?
Basically: If you bought for 5 BTC in November/December: and in April, you get your 5 BTC refund: you've basically lost money based on the value of BTC.
As I recall, people bought in while BTC value was high: it's dropped quite a bit since then.
Anyone else have some insight on this possibility?
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do you know what got their attention? my ripoffreport post. when you google amt miners for some reason that website pops up first page. they do not want the bad publicity. here is the thing... josh is trying to make me sound like im being unreasonable. all i wanted was an update! i just wanted Josh to tell me when my miner would be coming and why it was so damn late. he would NOT do it. I have exchanged a LOT of emails with AMT today. They also did not like the idea of me filing a complaint with the FTC.
Let me tell you what AMT thinks. AMT believes we are dumb consumers who made purchases and now find ourselves in some predicament where we need the cash. Josh thinks I need the money because I have some kind of emergency. This could not be farther from the truth. At no point has it ever crossed AMT's mind that someone who gave them $6000 and never heard back from them might be concerned. No No... the dumb people out there made purchases they couldn't afford. AMT is doing nothing wrong. They are working their butts off only to please us. We should be thankful for all the hard work AMT is bestowing on us. I asked Josh if he looked down on everyone or just the people he takes money from.
These guys are so far detached from reality its disturbing. Alyssa sent me an email saying they have issued me a refund.
You know what pissed me off the most today? Josh told me i should "have a heart" when it comes to the reputation of his company. You know what that tells me? He has learned nothing from the months of begging for information I have done. It means nothing to AMT how much stress he has created for others. All he can think about is himself and/or his reputation. Did it ever cross that mind of his that "GOOD CUSTOMER SERVICE ALWAYS PAYS OUT IN THE END". he didnt issue (supposedly) me a refund because he felt it was the right thing to do. He is giving me a refund to shut me up. what is wrong with AMT? How could someone so fucking stupid be running this company? How could there be more than 1 idiot responsible for the financial well being of AMT miners? These guys will not make it to the end of the year. This attitude of theirs will show itself in the quality of product they put out. Im just glad I am not getting a miner because I'm afraid of all the trouble i would have trying to get it to run. these guys do not care about you at all - not one bit. i'm done man... put a fork in me.
You might be done, but I assure you: if the members here aren't taken care of, then we will make sure AMT goes under. As for Joshua Zipkin: we need to make sure he's discredited on the internet completely. HE IS AMT; as much as he'd love you to believe there are all these other 'founders'. I am going to make sure that JOSHUA ZIPKIN results SCAM when it comes to GOOGLE SEARCH. |
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How do u join the legal proceedings?
If no one else has already done so and filed already.. I gave them 48 hours. In the meantime I'll do the ground work to get something together, I'm not a lawyer by any means though so if there is someone that has a little more legal sense it would be great if they stepped up, but I will start the process up today and move forward with it if I/we don't hear about a definite resolution within 48 hours. Could we go to a small claims court as a group? Not sure if this qualifies as SMALL CLAIMS. Cumulatively, AMT has over $250,000 of our money. True, but each of your claims is under the limit (most likely). You ordered something, they haven't shipped it and they lied about shipping times. They will lose. Also file the actual complaints with all the relevant organizations, state AG, FTC. They won't show up to your lawsuit so you will automatically win. Then you hire a collections agency to get it for you. Even if it goes EXACTLY that way, there is no guarantee that we'll get the money back. They could claim bankruptcy or just 'disappear'. I think we'd also have to prove it was a deliberate scam: They could argue that they TRIED but had various 'hardware issues' that caused AMT to go out of business. I've seen it before with other pre-order companies. This is what I was worried about from the beginning. |
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Just to be clear, you had some confirmation that they indeed did the PCB design for AMT?
Years ago I used to build digital logic boards, back then it was quite simple to do. So I'm not really sure what the complication would be with these Coincraft A1 chips. I know the signalling outside the chip isn't that fast so I'm not sure why the PCB would be difficult to manufacture. I'll admit that I am satisfied with my findings.  (One stranger to another, in public.) Not sure, but these might be 3/4-layer boards. I would have to see them through a light-source to tell. (or at-least see the other side of the board, looking at the through-hole positions, to see if they connect to something in another layer that is not the top or bottom.) It is not that they are difficult, I imagine, but volume and limitations to the machines needed to do all the additional work... Is expensive... Silk-screening, solder-bath, SMT-screening, SMT-reflowing, then QC and QA... Still seems they have some manual soldering to do, after the reflow-process... Connectors, Leds, Wires... Those are all missing on the photo they show, of the boards they have "in hand". Not to mention the PSU change and shortages. Ok, off to work now... Going to try and locate some other stuff I saw of interest in the photo's. (I trust photo's over statements. ) P.S. I am not the only one doing this research. I have two minions by my side, who are not members here. lol. They are not that brave. I'm surprised you'd pay AMT for a miner, when you have some fairly decent technical know-how. You should of bought the chips yourself and assembled, especially since based on the photos: AMT apparently sucks at the manufacturing process and QC/QA. Also the fact that you're going to tear your device down to 'MAKE IT RIGHT'. That said, we shouldn't have to do any of that: these Miners should be ready to go. Just as we predicted, whats the whole point of wrapping it all in a case if at the end of the day, the boards need to be pulled out because the case hinders proper cooling? Decisions like these made me realize that AMT isn't as technical as people hoped. |
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How do u join the legal proceedings?
If no one else has already done so and filed already.. I gave them 48 hours. In the meantime I'll do the ground work to get something together, I'm not a lawyer by any means though so if there is someone that has a little more legal sense it would be great if they stepped up, but I will start the process up today and move forward with it if I/we don't hear about a definite resolution within 48 hours. Could we go to a small claims court as a group? Not sure if this qualifies as SMALL CLAIMS. Cumulatively, AMT has over $250,000 of our money. |
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