And, for you fucks thinking I'm posting anti-Semitic remarks, please consider that I'm Jewish, and Joshy Boy stated that he's Jewish in this YouTube video where he and Tyler destroy a Nashville Walmart: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D7Dgp43QMzc#t=148. He's also Bulgarian, so no harm there, and he lied about knowing anything about Freemasons, when in fact his daddy are one. This is just fucking sad. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D7Dgp43QMzc#t=148For those of you that haven't watched the video yet, it's the AMT founder (Joshua Zipkin) and his buddy in Wal-Mart comparing the contents of two different mountain dew cans. Yes, the same Joshua Zipkin that is responsible for our miners. I'm pretty disgusted with this jackass. +1 Phinneus |
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What worries me the most is the fact that AMT refers to receiving one of their miners as punishment  If he gets his refund, he wins. He gets to spend that money on another miner or whatever he wants after that. IMO not as big a win as getting the hardware. But that's my just me. Why would you want their miner, when you could go out NOW and buy up more hashing power for less money? Yes, that IS just you. |
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Like I said before: One of AMT's first orders of business was to turn this community against each other for a 5% discount.
5% is all it took to turn everyone against one another.
Sad state of affairs.
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Whether its a SCAM or Complete Incompetence - we get shafted in the end.
At least if it's scam, the money may still be somewhere it can be taken back from. Who knows.
Incompetence means they spent most, if not all the money on these speculative hardware configurations and failed miserably. Whether that is all returnable to get us some refunds, remains to be seen. Not sure how a chip distributor refunds someone for thousands of dollars worth of chips that have already been soldered to defective custom boards...
AMT's behavior indicates scam, yet their early Bitfury based models (poor build quality/qa) indicates technical incompetence.
It sucks when you are hoping a company you bought from is run by retards instead of being a scam.
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okay, just spoke with Josh on the phone. he said hes not going to refund my money and that now hes going to ship my miner tomorrow as punishment. lol. I told him i don't want his vaporware i want a refund. he hung up.
i just sent most of you information for the attorney im speaking with. Josh is a huge asshole and you know what? Josh actually believes he's a victim in all of this. good luck getting your money back. this man is going to fight to keep our money.
If you get your miner, take pics....not sure I would call that a punishment (if it is sign me up I want my miners more than I want the money back). If it works then you are good to go. Good luck either way. If you get your refund you win, if you get your miner, you win bigger (if it works). Honestly its all you wanted from the get go. This is why I think you're such an AMT shill and sympathizer. How has he won if he gets his miner? It's LATE and even if he runs it 24/7, it won't ROI. Not just that, but with all the hardware issues we've been discussing - who knows if they even hash at the 1.2TH promised, and at the consumption rate it was rated at. The truth is, we don't know jack shit about the miners and whether they even work or not. Not a single person has received one. So based on that, I'm surprised you'd think this can be a WIN-WIN situation for ANYONE. Even if we do get refunds, that fucker has sat on all of our funds for well over 3 months. The interest alone makes Joshua Zipkin the winner at the end of the day. P.S: We don't even KNOW FOR FACT if Joshua Zipkin is in the United States. No one has here personally met him; but let's all just ASSUME he is because it makes us feel better that he in the end that if he's here in the USA, he might be held accountable for this mess. "How has he won if he gets his miner? It's LATE and even if he runs it 24/7, it won't ROI." A: Mine altcoins. I do it now with my proof of concept setup and mine a consistent amount that converts to bitcoins. I use tomcoin at tompool. Alternativley megamultipool does the same thing. altcoins convert to bitcoin without having to have a zillion wallets. Just your bitcoin wallet. There is your ROI. This method is a bit more resilient to the difficulty issue. Not immune but it works. As for your other points you are right. We dont know. BUT if it works as the bitmine spec from all indications they are using their reference designs, then it SHOULD work. This isnt shilling I am just basing it on the facts in front of me. And the facts are that. If he gets a broken miner then he has ALL the legal ammo he needs to go after them. Their specs are +10/-10% if it performs less than that then clenell has the smoking gun he needs. clenell can confirm quite easily if he is in the US....he would not have been able to call him international. OR he would have a 3 dollar a minute charge to his calls (depending on carrier tmobile its 20 cents). Even if it was a local number. Obviously it was a domestic cell and domestic call. But once you leave the US roaming becomes an issue. I travel internationally and have had this issue with 3 of the 4 carriers (tmobile is the exception in that rule) Sorry dude, but I disagree. We shouldn't have to opt for mining alt-coins to make up for the losses we would incur by mining BTC. These were primarily sold as BTC miners, now we have to look to other avenues to ROI? Besides, there is no guarantee that mining any alternative coin will ROI. Purely speculation on your part. Do you UNDERSTAND that AMT is breaking the law by not honoring refunds? They have missed the opportunity to fulfill these orders on time, at this point all refunds should be honored. If you want to wait it out, then mine alt-coins to make up for it: that's you. Everyone else that wants a refund however, should get it. All I hear from you are "IF's" : but it's WAY too late in the game for speculation about the hardware and whether it works or not. |
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okay, just spoke with Josh on the phone. he said hes not going to refund my money and that now hes going to ship my miner tomorrow as punishment. lol. I told him i don't want his vaporware i want a refund. he hung up.
i just sent most of you information for the attorney im speaking with. Josh is a huge asshole and you know what? Josh actually believes he's a victim in all of this. good luck getting your money back. this man is going to fight to keep our money.
Funny how AMT_MINERS (aka: Josh Zipkin) posted so adamantly from the beginning about how AMT_Miners WAS NOT solely Joshua Zipkin, and that Josh played a smaller role in the company. Remember him saying that multiple AMT workers posted here to this thread under that account? Now, all of a sudden: Josh is the only person responding to all these inquiries; and making decisions for people (shipping you a miner as punishment). Ridiculous. Like I said from the start, Joshua Zipkin is the CEO and ultimately responsible for our money. He tried to downplay his involvement in the beginning, only to protect his ass. Probably was true in the beginning. based on his online profiles which have been covered in this thread, he does have his hands in various business ventures not at all unusual for an entrepreneur. He probably gives the day to day ops to someone else. This is normal with CEOs. But you are right on one point. He is ultimately responsible as he is the CEO and owner of the company. From a legal standpoint shipping the miner allows him to fulfill his obligation to clenell and now clenell has no claim to sue. It is strategic. The preorder thing still applies here as it was technically sent to him by the 31st (assuming it gets to him by then bottom line it matters WHEN it was sent not when it got there). From a legal side this is sort of a punishment. Can't go after him any more after that without it turning into actual harassment (altho he is toeing the line on that one now and it could come back to bite him in the ass, no offense meant just a fact). Agh keep saying I am going to leave the thread but I am bored to tears at the moment. Read back and do some digging into Joshua Zipkin's other "business ventures". They are all bullshit start-ups with fake reviews and no real substance. These were the original warning signs for AMT.Thanks to Augusto, Phin and the others that dug deep. Many of you said they were jerks for 'making it personal' but I believe that once you engage in a business agreement with someone, their business history is fair game. We should also think about JIM BROWN who is in on this and has a lot of information about what is going on. He should also be held accountable for his actions and involvement. |
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okay, just spoke with Josh on the phone. he said hes not going to refund my money and that now hes going to ship my miner tomorrow as punishment. lol. I told him i don't want his vaporware i want a refund. he hung up.
i just sent most of you information for the attorney im speaking with. Josh is a huge asshole and you know what? Josh actually believes he's a victim in all of this. good luck getting your money back. this man is going to fight to keep our money.
If you get your miner, take pics....not sure I would call that a punishment (if it is sign me up I want my miners more than I want the money back). If it works then you are good to go. Good luck either way. If you get your refund you win, if you get your miner, you win bigger (if it works). Honestly its all you wanted from the get go. nothing josh has said has ever come to fruition. i mean this when i say this... NOTHING AMT SAYS IS TRUE. he has promised me updates, he has promised me delivery dates, he has promised me multiple refunds and nothing has ever been true. Josh wouldn't know the truth if it fucked him in the ass. i wouldn't take 1000:1 odds josh delivered a 1.2TH miner tomorrow. he is plain and simple... a con artist. Agreed. He sounds like your typical run of the mill, compulsive liar and con artist. I also agree with your assesment that he probably thinks he's a victim in this charade. It's the typical behavior and defense mechanism from those who make a living ripping other people off. |
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okay, just spoke with Josh on the phone. he said hes not going to refund my money and that now hes going to ship my miner tomorrow as punishment. lol. I told him i don't want his vaporware i want a refund. he hung up.
i just sent most of you information for the attorney im speaking with. Josh is a huge asshole and you know what? Josh actually believes he's a victim in all of this. good luck getting your money back. this man is going to fight to keep our money.
If you get your miner, take pics....not sure I would call that a punishment (if it is sign me up I want my miners more than I want the money back). If it works then you are good to go. Good luck either way. If you get your refund you win, if you get your miner, you win bigger (if it works). Honestly its all you wanted from the get go. This is why I think you're such an AMT shill and sympathizer. How has he won if he gets his miner? It's LATE and even if he runs it 24/7, it won't ROI. Not just that, but with all the hardware issues we've been discussing - who knows if they even hash at the 1.2TH promised, and at the consumption rate it was rated at. The truth is, we don't know jack shit about the miners and whether they even work or not. Not a single person has received one. So based on that, I'm surprised you'd think this can be a WIN-WIN situation for ANYONE. Even if we do get refunds, that fucker has sat on all of our funds for well over 3 months. The interest alone makes Joshua Zipkin the winner at the end of the day. P.S: We don't even KNOW FOR FACT if Joshua Zipkin is in the United States. No one has here personally met him; but let's all just ASSUME he is because it makes us feel better that he in the end that if he's here in the USA, he might be held accountable for this mess. |
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okay, just spoke with Josh on the phone. he said hes not going to refund my money and that now hes going to ship my miner tomorrow as punishment. lol. I told him i don't want his vaporware i want a refund. he hung up.
i just sent most of you information for the attorney im speaking with. Josh is a huge asshole and you know what? Josh actually believes he's a victim in all of this. good luck getting your money back. this man is going to fight to keep our money.
Funny how AMT_MINERS (aka: Josh Zipkin) posted so adamantly from the beginning about how AMT_Miners WAS NOT solely Joshua Zipkin, and that Josh played a smaller role in the company. Remember him saying that multiple AMT workers posted here to this thread under that account? Now, all of a sudden: Josh is the only person responding to all these inquiries; and making decisions for people (shipping you a miner as punishment). Ridiculous. Like I said from the start, Joshua Zipkin is the CEO and ultimately responsible for our money. He tried to downplay his involvement in the beginning, only to protect his ass. |
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I want someone to tell AMT to eat a bowl of dick while on the stand. I mean I really want it to happen, I want to see it happen and I want to see the look on people's faces.
I'm wondering how the people who aren't on this forum are going about thing?
That would be priceless! That would almost be worth losing, just to say it in open court  rofl... im giggling at work thinking about it. note: i just got josh to answer the phone again and guess what... he hung up like a bitch. Wheres your wire transfer refund? What else is there to say really? He hangs up on Clennel, who he said he'd wire a refund back to: but never did. It's like AMT is full of compulsive liars and it's becoming very clear that this isn't going to end well for everyone. TIME TO LAWYER UP!!! As for what was said earlier about him taking funds up until bankruptcy: well that's assuming he plans on going through Bankruptcy. For all we know, he can flee to Bulgaria with millions and never be seen again. It's not like he'll be extradited to the U.S for Fraud. |
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Personal attacks and the like re not going to help you when you go to court. It is just more for them to use against you. Yeah, I can see it now: Judge says: "Clennel, you told Joshua Zipkin to eat a bowl of dicks!? CASE DISMISSED! AMT you are free to go!" Oh right...there's that part about Josh taking millions of pre-order money from customers and not shipping a single thing. I forgot about that. They won't give 3 shits about what was said. If anything, most people would understand people being UBER pissed at losing $6,000 to AMT. Let me also remind you, that Clennel or anyone else with derogatory things to say: HAVEN'T BROKEN THE LAW. Only AMT has broken the law so far. The 3 of you guys were AMT shills this whole thread, and now the tables have turned since you see your money is gone. I hope you sleep well at night knowing you probably helped funnel more customers to AMT with your unwarranted support, and ignorance to the shady details surround AMT that were so blatantly obvious. Remember when AMT said they'd give discounts to show moral support and fight trolls in this thread? You idiots took the bait on that, and now look where you are. All part of AMT's master plan to rouse up more pre-orderers at the expense of your credibility. That said, the 3 of you should shut the fuck up because your credibility is ZERO. You have been wrong about AMT for most the thread and now you want to preach about 'acting properly'. Get real. |
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I want someone to tell AMT to eat a bowl of dick while on the stand. I mean I really want it to happen, I want to see it happen and I want to see the look on people's faces.
I'm wondering how the people who aren't on this forum are going about thing?
While on the stand? What world are you living in? This isn't an episode of Law & Order. Big deal, he called Josh's cell (afterall Josh has $6,000 of his money and hasn't given him a refund or updated him as to whats happening) - is this so far fetched for Clennel to call him? You're making a much bigger deal of him calling Josh than it actually is. I think he's within his right to call, it's not harrassment: we have OPEN ENDED business with Josh, so he's fair game. As for the bowl of dicks comments. Big fucking deal. It's the internet, shit gets said - it has absolutely no bearing on what has taken place here (money paid, nothing received). If anything, Clennel is guilty of abusing some internet etiquette. Big fucking whoop. Focus on the real issues here, not the pissed off pre-orderers. |
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Reality check: People are pissed!
Friction, Opiem and Rik want to be all calm and collected about having lost several thousand dollars, that's fine. Just don't expect others to follow suit... and PLEASE for the love of god, I'm sick of hearing how 'you think' AMT has had the customers' best interest in mind. At no point were we ever given REAL updates and progress reports with substance. Now the shit has hit the fan and they are nowhere to be found. If they really were legit and cared about their customers, AMT_Miners wouldn't of disappeared; they would of updated the community somehow, someway. Last I checked it wasn't here, phone, emails, or their website.
Josh is probably stalling so he can continue collecting money for 'April' orders. I don't think we'll be seeing him again.
If they do decide to claim bankruptcy, I doubt they will let anyone know either.
My guess is that AMT is banking on the fact that most people on the internet, take losses like this and move on without telling anybody (due to embarrassment or thinking the justice system won't work for them).
Hey Joshy boy, I hope you look good in an orange jumpsuit!
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 Giorgio Massarotto learns the Jewish Bulgarian Freemasons gesture for "We will fuck you!" Name: AMT_miners Posts: 221 Activity: 168 Position: Full Member Date Registered: September 29, 2013, 03:48:09 AM Last Active: March 11, 2014, 12:13:51 PM I'm quite sure Josh is watching the thread, just not from the AMT_Miners account. |
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so, josh texted me and said he needed my banking/wire information. I sent him the information and can you believe it... he lied again. attorney moving forward. If you want my attorney contact information let me know - they work on contingency. All of their fees will be taken from AMT's ass. They are also located in PA. If you intend on taking them to court like I am then you need an attorney in PA. Their office is actually VERY close to the AMT storefront. Think I'm gonna give Josh a call right now and see how he's doing  That is just so weird. Why bother to ask you for the wire info and then not bother to send the money? Anyway, PM me the attorney contact. delay delay delay... |
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For anybody thinking that this is just another worthless troll post from yours truly, go fuck your father in his ass, then go play with your momma's worthless tits, then go suck-off your neighbor's dog's cock!
You have a lovely way with words, its almost Shakespearian!! You do make me laugh bro, keep up the good work! +1 Friction, blackout, opiem2 - YOU guys are obviously disgruntled AMT buyers that are in denial. You want to continue living in this fantasy world where it all works out in the end, by all means go ahead: just don't take it out on the few here that are trying to keep others from going down the same path as we have. I for one feel lucky to have Phin dissecting AMT and getting us this information. There is a difference between getting us information and flooding the forum with. but thanks I love how you guys think that anyone that is vocal about the bullshit ways AMT has conducted business, is a TROLL. Hate to say it, but this isn't AMT's thread anymore (they've since abandoned us with updates here). Even so, I'm not even sure WHAT it is you guys want posted here. Helpful information? Ways to file against AMT? Everyone's positive speculation as to what will happen? How about a big circle jerk conversation about how this will all work out in the end for all of us? Maybe AMT will prove me wrong by logging in and letting us know what the hell is going on. I won't hold my breath. |
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For anybody thinking that this is just another worthless troll post from yours truly, go fuck your father in his ass, then go play with your momma's worthless tits, then go suck-off your neighbor's dog's cock!
You have a lovely way with words, its almost Shakespearian!! You do make me laugh bro, keep up the good work! +1 Friction, blackout, opiem2 - YOU guys are obviously disgruntled AMT buyers that are in denial. You want to continue living in this fantasy world where it all works out in the end, by all means go ahead: just don't take it out on the few here that are trying to keep others from going down the same path as we have. I for one feel lucky to have Phin dissecting AMT and getting us this information. |
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Good job. I suggest everyone follow suit and do the same. If this truly does go south, you will kick yourself later for not doing this earlier. If AMT somehow manages to get everything shipped in the next week (doubtful) then it won't really matter whether you filed these complaints or not. I'd err on the side of caution and file the complaints. |
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<snip> I am inclined to believe AMT is legit. <snip> I do as well and unfortunately for them, they are as much caught in the problems BitMine's A1 chip has as we are. Actually. more so simply because while individually we buyers are currently out xxxx$, look at their position - they have scores of customers that they are obligated to. EACH who have paid them said monies. Aside from hiding & cowering in a corner like a puppy that got caught peeing on the floor AND shitting a brick in panic (making things worse):
A. From day-1 of the chips actually getting into the hands of people to test in the real world - eg, actually connected to hardware - AMT should have at least pointed people to the A1 dev thread. All the chips trials and tribulations are there to be read.
B. They damn well had better be holding BitMine.ch's feet to the fire to do something to make this right with customers. If v1 of the chip is really destined to be an albatross then it is up to BitMine.ch to perhaps setup a program to give Antminers of equal or better total hashing speed.
In the end I lay this all at the feet of BitMine.ch. They are the ones who blew it. The chips were late - fine. But these were not pre-production test sample chips sent to a very limited # of testers/build companies to be used to find if they actual work right in the Real World. BM.ch hideously oversold the chip to companies and a lot like AMT & others jumped in head first. And hit a rock...
These seem to me to be pre-production quality chips that were expected to work like the computer sims say they should. Well, as their IP design company Innosilicon and BitMine.ch themselves should know better! I have never ever once heard of a complex chip right enough to be a salable item from the very first spin. At least BitMine.ch is getting the same 'roid rage from their own miner rig customers!
Again, I am NOT defending AMT as a business. I *do* understand the mess they and other companies are in over this but: They need to TALK! Heck, at least for smaller miners AMT is a reseller - not builder. Soooo. Get some Ants to give those will take them and also start selling them for cryin'out loud. At least they could bring some some money and have a salable item...
Let's say it is BITMINE's fault : Why isn't AMT honoring refunds? AMT has given us no way out of this shit storm. |
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Considering he might have millions of dollars of customers' money, it isn't far fetched to think he'd risk everything to 'get rich quick'.
It's a LOT of money.
If he had planned a scam from day one, do you think we would even know who he is? Do you think he would take the trouble to become the U.S. exclusive distributor of Bitmain? Do you think they would even bother to work with U.S. based contract manufacturers? AMT is already receiving a ton of inquiries from law enforcement, they aren't going anywhere until they deliver. At this point there seems to be no reason to question that. Especially where wire fraud is concerned. Since the trolls here have been hellbent on trolling AMT I gave them the essential tool to do it. The press. This was mostly to call them out. There are only a couple of people here who have a legitimate claim to bitch about their miners. But then again Their attitudes don't help their case. The idea is if their claims are real and there is a real situation then guess what the news will ferret that out. If its BS then guess what, the trolls now are wide open to libel AND slander since they would have gone on TV to slander the company if what they say turns out to be bs. I am inclined to believe AMT is legit. But I figure giving the trolls the tools to actually do something instead of just talk shit and post Alex Jones type shit might help them actually accomplish a couple of things. The press will actually have the resources and connections to dig up the dirt on both sides. At least in that sense they will work mostly objectively since this is not a political issue. The press can get real information and legit info. I haven't checked but I am guessing the trolls haven't even said anything in taking actual action regarding the press. I will take that as a sign that they doubt their position and are likely just talking shit. The actual customers who feel they need to talk to lawyers should also look at this route. But again, same thing applies. If you have an inkling of doubt in your legitimate position then this should make you question your position. If you are so adamant you are in the right then contact the press let them know what is going on (remember in this they are on your side until they see the truth (if your version of it isn't the truth). But know the second they come back with the fact you are lying and have proof of it, well the jig is up. I am challenging those who are talking all sorts of smack to try to get the press involved. I am curious to see what happens. I think there are other more level headed people here who are as well. You're an idiot. I wouldn't be surprised if you were working for AMT or Josh himself. No one that shells out this kind of money for hardware, and gets nothing in return wouldn't be nearly as positive as you seem to be. Go shill for AMT elsewhere. |
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