So then - lets start with the cage.

Come more pics:

Cages ready to go:

Something as simple as an Order # and the guy can't even reveal it!

Total B.S.

Waiting for the next plant to show up.

Then had to stop to take two shits from something I ate. In fact, I'm in McDonalds now typing this on my laptop on my...wait for it...lap, while taking a shit.

one thing i did notice, the tplink firmware flash and the hexminer software both have addresses in them, but both of those come from Technobit.  The addresses being there was part of the basis for my assumption, but its a false accusation if those are the only facts being presented.

I do remember seeing addresses in my 80GH rig, before i flashed it, and Jim told me those were to test the unit.  

So, which is the truth?  The rig obviously wasn't tested beyond "Yup, it has lights.  ship it"   In fact, it didnt even have all of the lights flashing that it should have, if it had been assembled correctly.  Still can't see how a rig that has 2 boards, ships with 1 not hashing, and the other having a non-hashing chip.

who knows....  and just about to the "who cares" point.

one more thing.  my rig brings in .008btc/day if i mine btc directly.  seeing as i didnt have it for the first month of my 6 month ROI period, that equates to about $732 at current difficulty.  I think it was getting .01/day at the previous diff.  which still would have left me about $500 short of just making my investment back.  I think when i calculated it would have been somewhere between $900 and $1000, over the 6 month period.

IF this is indeed what is happening (as has been suspected of other companies as well) the only way is to prove it. This way they can be held to account. Honestly the company that plays straight in that regard is the one that asks for your wallet receive address and requests a worker config during the order process. That would demonstrate they are testing your hardware and are prepping it for shipping. Its also a little bit of free hosting in a way. But yea I gotta agree. I think its pretty widespread that companies use the hardware to mine until they ship it out. Might be easier to find out if we know the wallet addresses they use and then trace it along the blockchain.

Probably explains why so many of them are late to deliver too. Greed really messes with people.

Also show us stats, if it actually is running at 1.2Ths or better? Since there were claims it was supposed to be 1.5, its unclear what we were getting. But yea pics or it didnt happen lol. Keep the exif data intact to validate.

As I am too a BFL customer as well....do you have a product?

While I agree they do well on communication. And the coupon crap is just another way to get another sale, they arent upgrading customers who they said they would upgrade. They have consistently lied also. My miner was originally supposed to ship in January according to them.

With AMT I was hoping (I was wrong) that I would get my miner by end of March. So far noone has reported getting 1.2THs miners even though there is an alleged group of orders that went out.

Again I do hope they are transparent with Phin and there is information that can put us at ease (Or make sure we take the action we need to take).
Not going to insult, constantly call and email as that obviously is not getting results. I think we all know what the next step has to be if they choose to not respond to THEIR CUSTOMERS.

100+ emails a day 100+ phone calls a day - everyone saying the same thing. Whats more important, good customer service comforting you to wait (BFL nowadays) or miners in peoples hands while we sacrifice some customer service. Think about it.

Oh I agree, they should be paying back the people they said they would. They have shown they are not good with their word. Consistently. Which is why I think it makes even more sense we have someone go out there and check it out. If we are getting miners there should be a huge pile of miners being built there. Phin will see that and can report on that. Also he might get a picture of things that we simply just arent getting through this forum. Trying to play devils advocate here to a point. But I am looking at it objectively. Those requesting refunds have an absolute right to have gotten that money back despite their "policy" change that they just announced. Its not in their legal terms so that is not valid until it is.

But getting Phin out there IMO is the best thing to sort out some things. I think he would best represent us out there. I dont believe anything anyone tells me. But when someone who comes on here once every 10 pages says a couple things and then dissapears only to inject some more unsubstantiated nonsense, yea I gotta question that. Hence why I asked if he was one of the black PR people. They do exist. That much I know. In this thread thats another story. But there are people who are paid to do specifically that to other companies. Its actually quite a standard practice in Chinese markets. But it doesnt hurt to ask the question when its clear that something doesnt fit. And Augusto Croppo popping up suddenly and stating like admiral akbar "its a trap!" just seems really off. Fact is they set themselves up in a bad way if they did set some kind of trap.

I actually think Augousto is talking complete sense here. I don't believe AMT for a second, and I have a feeling you're playing right into their hands.... Remember, as consumers, we hold the power.  They may think they can get away with taking money from us, but in the end, they will get what's coming to them by due process. Don't take their bait Phin... I don't think it will end well (and I'm saying this with the understanding that I will now be flamed as an AMT "paid slander-er" - but my two cents cannot be swayed by such quips). At least take a step back and think about what you're getting into here...

Regardless, I appreciate what you have been doing for us. You've shed light on the fraud that AMT is turning out to be, and for that I thank you. I still have a modicum of hope for delivery of my two 1.2's... but I have already accepted the reality that legal course of action is most likely the way to go to get my money back - or at the very least, stop these fraudsters from stealing other people's money.

Something tells me you are the black PR they are referring to. You seem to be the only person posting here that is against this. FYI I think its been REALLY well established I am not from AMT. Or one of their shills. Even the people who initially thought that including Phin have pretty much been convinced of that. I even provided some info that has started a snowball of info that others have provided. Who are you anyway? You seem to jump into this topic every 10 pages or so and say something completely useless.

Thats trolling. Provide him a very compelling reason to not go. Otherwise go away. AMT is footing the bill for this so its on their dime. He will obviously know the second he has the plane tickets that its legit since he is going to need them to get there. So at least they are making the effort. But I am wondering about you specifically since you seem to actually just pop in randomly and say nothing of value.

How about this? Provide a well written and detailed reason as to why you think Phin should not go. Right now all you say is they crooks and frauds....that may be. BUT That is the point. Phin was invited out to go prove exactly that. So far he has been honest with the community. See no reason why he wont be after this. Also it shows another thing. AMT is looking to clear their name at least. Their buisness practices might not be the best, but if they are now working aggressively to turn it around that would be good for everyone. Again a good reason why he should not go. They paying for it. They paying 20btc for him to just show up and put any doubts down.

If some of your other posts are any indication you are against bitcoin to begin with so why the hell are you even in this forum at all?

I also read portugese (which I notice you tend to write in at times) and about 6 other languages without the need to use google translate. All you post is scam scam scam and bitcoin is a joke. You sir are the definition of a troll. Maybe you are working for the banking cartels who are looking to undermine bitcoin? Maybe we need to start looking at you.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=457930.msg5627578#msg5627578

Seeing this statement pretty much sums up your position and should question why you are even on here at all. EVERYONE here wants to make bitcoin a success. BUT their issue is with a vendor right now. Are you concerned? Sounds like if phin proves things are legit, then there is nothing for you to stand on. I have seen some of your posts on various threads doing this exact same thing claiming its all a scam. I get there are people who have this patholgical need to be skeptical of everything. Skepticism is good to a point. I for one want the truth of this matter. And phin is the first person who has been able to get an open door invite to check things out and get the info we need.

And here you come with useless comments. Or contribute a very valid reason why he should not go.
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Each time I read your pseudonym, I'm reminded of https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wp3x6l5dZp8.

Craig,

You're refund was sent on 3/11 along with other checks for bills to vendors and what nut. The following week, you notified us that you had not received that refund. Josh responded to you in kind saying that you're miner was ready and could instead ship your miner or if you wish fedex your refund to you. You responded after a few days in a very hostile fashion, accusing us of not actually sending your refund in the first place. We responded with the same question, your miner or a fedexed check, you responded again in a hostile fashion and never actually answered the question. Then, you some how obtained josh's cell phone number and basically blew up his phone with calls from sunday to monday. Josh spoke to you on the phone and explained that the check may have actually gotten lost in the mail and that we offered to fedex you're refund in order to have a tracking number which you can track. You kept the conversation going for quite sometime until eventually Josh got frustrated and hung up.

Then you called over 20 times and left over 20 messages - some quite disturbing by all means when josh blocked your number. At that point you downloaded a spoof app which allows you to disguise your number as any other number and called josh several times from different philadelphia area codes.

At this point josh stopped picking up the phone all together - until you spoof called him from his sisters phone number and said "Is this number important to you josh, you better give me my refund".

At that point we called our laywers. A few hours later they called us back and said that we could sue if we wanted to for corporate harassment and encouraged us to file a police report to get the process in motion. You called back again and josh notified you of this possibility at which point you stopped calling. We have not filed the police report yet.

Craig... You went from begging to purchase our product with a credit card - to finally purchasing our product 6 weeks after your order was created - at which point you became a company cheerleader and praised our name - to literally being associated with our company because of the excess in which you cheered for us and the trolls actually started posting your background info - to quieting down a bit on this thread - to disliking us - and finally ranting and raving like the hired trolls - and now have evolved into a something like a stalker or something bordering that line. While also sending over 57 emails regarding updates.

All of that we could have dealt with, but in the end you really pissed josh off with the weird messages and kind of crossed the line with the whole "is your sisters number important to you" bit but overall you again handled the situation inappropriately.  

Because of you we have changed our refund policy to simply no refunds or refunds on a client to client basis, also we'll be shipping your miner today (hopefully as it wasn't a planned shipment today) and posting the fedex tracking number here on this thread. Unfortunately we're waiting on power supplies later this week so we'll be shipping your miner without a 1200w-1500w supply. We will ship you the supply when they come in. Or feel free to purchase a supply from amazon and you'll have a supply by the time your miner is delivered.

@clenell
Not defending anyone here, but if they are shipping you a miner which was the original intent why not just take it? Least you getting what you paid for. If its a matter of principle, its going to get complicated and more costly if you start getting lawyers involved. Sounds like they are getting their groove on. At the very least you can jump on and show people it works. You would be getting your hardware (better late than never). Sucks you had to go through what you did to get it. But at the end of the day you would have it and now they are also stating they will post a tracking number to show proof it is going to you. Least that way they now hold themselves accountable to their words here. We are all seeing it.

Consider that before acting out of anger and emotion. It won't serve you well in this situation. Not shilling here, just trying to help you see that you are getting the miner you deserve now vs having to go through a legally painful and expensive fight only to wind up getting the same thing and losing more in the process. Its more a logical way of thinking. Not to mention that is usually how it plays out.

with regards to refunds say i put in 8 btc at $500 a btc and paid $4000 for my machine and now the price of btc is $250  a very grey area opens. do i accept 8 btc as my refund  but thats now a value of $2000 but i put in $4000 as origional investment so should theoretically expect 16 btc as my refund as thats the going rate at which my $ value as invested is at. does that make sense. so a refund is no viable option because they will offer the btc invested back i.e origional 8btc but they just made $250 per btc or $2000 for holding on to your btc for you.... hope this makes sense and id love to see some form of heres 1000 miners set up and testing before shipment. or possibly something to show tangiable proof that these exist say a video of you guys building machines with order # and names of people expecting them...... too much to ask?