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181  Local / Hrvatski (Croatian) / Re: Zbirni topic za davanje merita za kvalitetne postove i za korisne informacije on: June 03, 2023, 03:12:18 PM
Evo da i ovu temu dignem iz mrtvih... Nekako je baš sve utihnulo. Kao da svi mlate lovu na BTC ordinalsima, a nitko ne želi pokrenuti temu o tome na forumu Grin

Uglavnom, napisao sam post o leverage DEX-u na ZkSync Era mainnetu pa ako ima netko tko "farma" ZkSync airdrop, a ujedno koristi i leverage trading, svakako bacite oko: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5422800.msg62331477#msg62331477

Ahh hvala ti što se trudiš oko ove teme i što si je ''uskrsnuo'' iz mrtvih  Grin
Nekada, u nekim davnim vremenima, ovo je bila najaktivnija tema dok su se neki članovi još ''borili'' za merite i viši forum rank ali sada smo se već svi ''nakrcali'' meritima, u dobrim smo signature kampanjama, mlatimo lovu na BTC ordinalsima i baš nas briga za sve, a posebno za nove teme na btc forumu.  Cheesy
I da, hvala na korisnoj informaciji, nagradio sam ju po običaju.
182  Local / Hrvatski (Croatian) / Re: Novosti on: June 03, 2023, 03:08:48 PM
Već su se mnogi do sada bavili predviđanjima kretanja kripto tržišta pa možda nije loše pogledati što kaže umjetna inteligencija, ChatGPT.
Po njemu, dogodit će se slijedećih 5 stvari:
- doći će do većeg prihvaćanja kripta od strane mainstreama
- institucionalni ulagači će više u kripto
- preferirati će se kriptovalute koji koriste više zelene energije
- doći će do ekspanzije Defi-a
- doći će do novih tehnoloških inovacija

Što mislite o ovim predviđanjima ChatGPT-a za kripto?  Grin

https://crobitcoin.com/chatgpt-predvida-5-stvari-koje-ce-se-dogoditi-u-kriptu-do-2033/

Inače, NewsCrypto predviđa da će 2023 godina biti godina oporavka ili kraj kripto tržišta.
Obožavam ovakve ''bombastične najave'' a vi?  Grin
Ako vas zanima odgovor, potražite ga ovdje: https://crobitcoin.com/2023-ce-biti-godina-oporavka-ili-kraj-kripto-trzista/
183  Local / Hrvatski (Croatian) / Re: Giveaway Hardverski Novčanik! on: June 03, 2023, 03:00:01 PM
tak da ga mozemo preimenovati u Hardverkovic :>
Čuo sam da su ga ljudi počeli zvati Sreckovic zbog Gambling sekcije  Cheesy

Razmišljam kontaktirati i neke druge proizvođače hardverskih novčanika i organizirati još neki giveaway za forum u budućnosti  (ako ima zainteresiranih).

Haha. Nemam ništa protiv nadimka Hardverković Grin

Naravno da uvijek ima zainteresiranih za giveaway. Možda bi bila dobra ideja da za neki budući giveaway (ako ga uspiješ organizirati, odnosno dobiti kakav hardware wallet) osoba koja osvoji treba napisati kratki review sa strane "običnog" korisnika. Tu prvenstveno mislim na to da ne treba opisivati je li softver closed ili open source nego kakvo je iskustvo korištenja uređaja. Vjerujem da bi na taj način i proizvođači bili spremniji na suradnju.

Zapravo su takva mišljenja korisnika, koji su isprobali određeni uređaj, ''zlata vrijedna'' i ovako nešto bilo bi obostrano korisno, i za firmu i za krajnje korisnike.
Ipak, takav bi review onda ipak trebalo podijeliti negdje na engleskom dijelu foruma, kako bi bio vidljiv puno većem broju potencijalnih korisnika tj. kupaca uređaja.
Ne vjerujem da bi netko od proizvođača bio zainteresiran za review za local board sa tako malim brojem aktivnih članova.
184  Local / Hrvatski (Croatian) / Re: Pregled Bitcointalk Signature-Ad kampanja on: June 03, 2023, 02:54:10 PM
Nakon dobrih vijesti o puno kampanja sa otvorenim mjestima za prijavu sada i malo loših vijesti:

Prva dolazi iz Flush signature kampanje:

The campaign has beeb paused for now. You can now remove the signature. I will update the sheet shortly.

Kampanja je trajala dosta dugo, ali je na kraju ipak završila.
Čini mi se da nije bilo naših članova u ovoj kampanji.

Zato u Yo!Mix Bitcoin Mixer Signature kampanji ima čak 6 mjesta slobodno trenutno:  Grin

We have 6 x Full Member slot open. Please apply.



Full memberi se plaćaju 1.60 $ po postu, maksimalno 25 postova uz moguće dodatne bonuse.

I u Stake kampanji ima mjesta:

Few spots still open!

Hero & Legendary members only.

Feel free to drop Your applications right below! Smiley

Mora se napisati minimalno 25 postova, od toga 10 u gamblingu.
Plaća se maksimalno 10 lokalnih postova.
Plaćanje:

HERO:
♦️ Up to 25 posts: $2.00 per post
♦️ From 26 posts on: $0.75 per post + 20% extra for posts at Gambling Section (including Stake & Primedice main threads)
LEGENDARY:
♦️ Up to 25 posts: $2.50 per post
♦️ From 26 posts on: $0.90 per post + 20% extra for posts at Gambling Section (including Stake & Primedice main threads)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5400828.0


Sretno svima s prijavama!
185  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Croatian League - Hrvatska nogometna liga 2022./2023. on: May 25, 2023, 08:14:03 AM
I stumbled across this graph on Twitter yesterday and I thought it'd be pretty cool to share it here. It really puts into perspective just how crucial Livaja is for Hajduk.
Now do that same graph but without penalties  Grin

Sorry had to do it. Congrats to Hajduk for taking the cup, I just hope they will not destroy too much of my city while celebrating. Some parts of the stadium already paid the price.

Yes, Hajduk once again won the consolation prize, the Croatian Cup, while they can only dream of the title of national champion.
It's unbelievable to me that instead of enjoying football, we have to talk about the fans and the city was almost a war zone with a lot of police.
Dinamo will continue to dominate the Croatian league for years to come, and what interests me now is how much our clubs can do in the upcoming qualifications for European club competitions.
I think that only Dinamo has a real chance to get into the group stage of a European competition again.
186  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: ⚽ UEFA Euro 2024 in Germany ⚽ - Qualifiers on: May 25, 2023, 08:07:34 AM
you've made a few unverified claims, so let's talk about it.

~snip~
As I said before, Modric is/was the only ballon d'or winner I can remember, and certainly the best for a long time, I literally said it was back in the day if it ever happened. that is as old as 20+ even some of them 30+ years ago. Not denying that he wasn't good, never watched him and this is the first time I am hearing about him, he might be better than Modric, I will give you that, but you have to accept that was long time ago.

My point was that their best player for the last 20+ or so years is about to retire, probably I assume, which is a bad thing for them. Is it good that he is retiring? No. About the other matter, you can have the greatest goalkeeper in the world, and the greatest defenders in history, if you can't score, it will end 0-0, so you need scorers, even if you concede 5 goals, if you score 6, you win. That's why strikers valued more than other positions.

I hope Croatia continues their success, I really would love to see nations with not big pockets to win, it's much more fun that way, it's boring to see super rich nations win, I loved it when Argentina won over France, so I do hope you are right and I am wrong.

Ok, you're mostly right. Modric is the best footballer of this generation of Croatian footballers and it will be difficult to replace him.
I hope that in the next period Kovacic could finally become the leader of the new Croatian national team and lead it to new successes.
I think it is not fair or objective that forwards are always much more valued than defensive footballers and that defensive footballers practically have no chance of being declared the best in any election for the best footballer.
As far as Croatia is concerned, I believe that even after Modric's retirement, we will have a very young and high-quality national team that will show its strength already at the EURO next year, in the same way as after the retirement of the former stars, Prosinecki and Boban, new stars came and new quality footballers like Modric.
Throughout history, Croatia has always been a source of football talents and stars, and I would also like to mention the Croatian Drazen Jerkovic, who was the best scorer of the tournament at the World Cup in Chile in 1962, when Croatia was part of Yugoslavia, in the same way as the Croatian Suker was the best scorer of the 1998 World Cup in France. Therefore, there is no need to worry that Croatia will run out of new football talents and stars  Grin
At the EURO next year, along with France, England, Belgium, Italy and Spain, I believe that Croatia also has a good chance for a great result.
187  Local / Hrvatski (Croatian) / Re: Giveaway Hardverski Novčanik! on: May 25, 2023, 07:45:26 AM
Ma znao sam ja da je dkbit98 dobro povezan u toj industriji, sad čekam da bitbox izbaci svoj "bitbox98" kao omaž Cheesy

Bravo dkbit98, lijepo da si se sjetio nas na ovom lokalnom forumu Smiley
Pravi poklon za lokalnu kripto ekipu.
Jedino ne znam kako ćeš odabrati dobitnika jer pretpostavljam da nitko ne bi imao ništa protiv ovako praktičnog poklona.
Ako ćeš imati neko nagradno izvlačenje, možeš dodati i mene  Grin
U svakom slučaju, nakon ovih zadnjih gluposti sa Ledgerom, čini se da je vrijeme za novi Hardverski novčanik.
Proučio sam Bitbox02 hardverski novčanik i sviđa mi se ono što vidim, pogotovo što je open source.
188  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Croatian League - Hrvatska nogometna liga 2022./2023. on: May 24, 2023, 09:53:31 AM
So, before the last round of the HNL the only question is which club will finish at the third place and play in the UEFA Conference league. And it will be the winner of the match between Osijek and Rijeka. Since Osijek has 1 point advantage, they will be OK with a draw while Rijeka needs a win.

All other important places are secured so Šibenik will be relegated, Dinamo is the champion and Hajduk is the second and will play in the UEFA Conference league.

In fact, it doesn't matter which team will end up third and which fourth, because both teams will play in the European conference league.
Even if Sibenik beat Hajduk today in the final of the Croatian Cup, they will not play in European club competitions because they are the only Croatian first league club that did not pay for the UEFA license to participate in European club competitions.
Obviously, at the beginning of the season, the club did not hope for such an opportunity to play in the European club competition  Cheesy
So, in the round before the end in the Croatian league, everything is completely clear, Dinamo is first and will play the qualifiers for the Champions League, and Hajduk, Rijeka and Osijek will play the qualifiers for the European Conference League.
189  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: ⚽ UEFA Euro 2024 in Germany ⚽ - Qualifiers on: May 24, 2023, 09:46:07 AM
These are the 14 main players of the Croatian national team that coach Dalic will use in the EURO qualifiers and in the League of Nations (it is possible that Modrić will retire after the League of Nations).
How many old players do you actually see here? Two or possibly three, and all the rest are young players who can play for the Croatian national football team for a very long time, the next 4 or even 8 years.
I think the time has come to stop repeating the false claims that the Croatian national football team is a very old team and that it is in decline. On the contrary, we have never had a team with more young, talented and quality footballers than now.
You do realize that one of the old players is the captain of the team and the best player they have ever had on their entire history and I assume the only ballon d'or winner from their nation? Not sure if that is the case, if any other Croation won it before, and if so god knows when that was. But, we are all aware that as soon as Modric leaves, even though the team that is left is not terrible, it will not be as good as they were with Modric, that's a very important distinction.

Plus, we can't really say how good or bad they will be based on whatever we have seen previously, every single cup is a single thing we need to look at. Look at Italy, won euro and failed to qualify for world cup, it's just that simple and we need to consider that a team is as good as how good they are on that cup, not before, not after, just focus on a single tournament.

Okay, you've made a few unverified claims, so let's talk about it.
Why do you think Modric is the best Croatian soccer player of all time? Do you have any official confirmation for that? Or is that just your personal opinion?
For me personally, in the period in which I follow football, from 1980 until today, the best and most talented Croatian football player in that period was Robert Prosinecki.
With the young national team of Yugoslavia he was the world champion, with the senior national team of Yugoslavia he unfortunately lost in the quarter-finals of the world cup in 1990 against Argentina with Maradona.
He was European club champion with Red Star in 1991, and being European champion with a club from the former Yugoslavia is a much bigger success than being European champion 5 times with Real.
With Croatia in 1998, he was third in the world after an unfortunate loss to France in the semi-finals.
In my opinion, that Croatian national team was the best in history.
Prosinecki is one of the few footballers in history who played for both Real and Barcelona, and his magnificent football career was prematurely stopped by numerous injuries.

As for the choice for the best football player in Europe, how objective is that choice and based on some objective indicators and facts? When was a defensive footballer or goalkeeper declared the best in Europe or the world? Almost never, because much more is written about and attention is paid to attackers like Ronaldo and Messi, and the perception is created that they are always the best and that everything depends on them, which is not realistic, but that is the public's perception, and journalists choose the best soccer player based on public perception, not objective facts.
Personally, I think that Ronaldo and Messi have definitely been declared the best footballers in Europe too many times, and that Benzema and Lewandowski also deserved that recognition at least once in this period.
Modrić was declared the best player in Europe when the public got fed up with Messi and Ronaldo and after a fantastic performance at the World Cup in Russia 2018.

Finally, why do you think that Croatia will no longer be good and achieve top results when Modrić retires?
Other great players who were among the best in the world played for Croatia, such as Prosinečki and Boban, so Croatia did not lose its quality after their departure and remained one of the best national teams in the world.
Just these days I read some announcements that the Croatian defender Gvardiol could become the most expensive defender in the history of football and move to Manchester City for 100 million euros.
So much for the future of Croatia without Modric  Grin
190  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: ⚽ UEFA Euro 2024 in Germany ⚽ - Qualifiers on: May 23, 2023, 08:36:02 AM
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There is some truth to the "this team is on a downtrend (due to age)" quote as Croatia was the 22nd oldest team out of 32 at the World Cup. I haven't checked whether some changes have already been made, but their average age is relatively high and new players will indeed have to be integrated soon. Not every player is as crazy as Modric and can keep that level even at the age of 37. 

Average age can be quite misleading. Because you can have half a dozen 18 and 19 year old players in the bench and that will give an impression that the team is very young. There is no doubt that Croatia during Qatar 2022 had one of the most aged squads for any team. But to their advantage, they have a number of promising younger players emerging, who can replace these senior players. The situation with Croatia is different from what we have with Spain or Portugal, where the younger players are struggling to perform consistently.

I agree with you.
I suggest that we discuss the claim that the Croatian national team is old on the basis of concrete arguments and facts, not opinions. Let's take a look at all the main players of the Croatian national team who are expected to play in the Nations League and EURO qualifiers and check their age.
Livakovic, goalkeeper, 28 years old
Juranovic, defender, 27 years old
Gvardiol, defender, 21 years old
Sosa, defender, 25 years old
Stanisic, defender, 22 years old
Sutalo, defender, 23 years old
Modric, midfielder, 37 years old
Kovacic, midfielder, 28 years old
Brozovic, midfielder, 28 years old
Pasalic, midfielder, 28 years old
Majer, midfielder, 25 years old
Vlasic, midfielder, 25 years old
Perisic, striker, 34 years old
Kramaric, striker, 31 years old


These are the 14 main players of the Croatian national team that coach Dalic will use in the EURO qualifiers and in the League of Nations (it is possible that Modrić will retire after the League of Nations).
How many old players do you actually see here? Two or possibly three, and all the rest are young players who can play for the Croatian national football team for a very long time, the next 4 or even 8 years.
I think the time has come to stop repeating the false claims that the Croatian national football team is a very old team and that it is in decline. On the contrary, we have never had a team with more young, talented and quality footballers than now.
191  Local / Hrvatski (Croatian) / Re: Novosti on: May 23, 2023, 08:12:04 AM
Baš ga i ne volim jer dosta laprda gluposti o raznim stvarima. Jedino mi nije jasno zašto bi hrvatska crypto scena dobila lošu reputaciju samo zato što je jedan lik napravio prevarantsku shemu koja možda je, a možda i nije bila ponzi shema. Jasno mi je da smo mali i ovakva situacija nije baš dobra za reputaciju ali na kraju krajeva to je jedan projekt gdje je nešto pošlo po zlu. To ne znači da su svi u Hrvatskoj automatski prevaranti.

Oduvijek je laprdao, još kako je krenuo s prodajom svojih start-up ideja, Millenijuma i ostalih pizdarija koje mu nikad nisu uspjeli, ali se svejedno uspio uguziti i stvoriti platformu gdje je njegovo mišljenje bitno i može odjeknuti kroz domaće medije.

S time da sam prestao pratiti domaću scenu i nemam pojma tko je Škorić, ali se slažem s njime da je Prpić bubnuo pizdariju i po tko zna koji put ostao živ.






Čudi me da nisi čuo za Škorića i njegovu kripto firmu Electrocoin, prvu hrvatsku mjenjačnicu kriptovaluta iz 2014 godine.
Osmislili su paycek, elektronički platni servis koji trgovcima omogućuje da ponude kupcima plaćanje u kriptovalutama, imaju ugovore sa Hrvatskom Poštom, Konzumom, brojnim klasičnim mjenjačnicama, trgovcima, iznajmljivačima apartmana...
Dakle, čovjek stvarno zna što radi, aktivan je na domaćem kripto tržištu već 10 godina a sada je stvarno ''poludio'' nakon ovih bedastih izjava Prpića koji su na cijelu kripto industriju stavili stigmu velikog ponzija.


192  Local / Hrvatski (Croatian) / Re: Novosti on: May 22, 2023, 03:44:11 PM
Koliko čitam na nekim Telegram grupama, čini se da su upravo koristili tu formulaciju u ugovorima, o ulaganju na ''osobnu odgovornost''.
Sad, da li će im to pomoći ili ne, ostaje za vidjeti.
Ne znam da li netko od vas prati UBIK (Udruga za blockchain i kriptovalute) Telegram grupu ali zadnja 2 dana tamo se ''užarila'' rasprava o ovom slučaju a posebno se zaoštrilo između Nikole Škorića (direktora Electrocoina) i poduzetnika Hrvoje Prpića.
Škorić je optužio Prpića da je svojim izjavama u medijima o Bitlucky aferi vlastoručno vratio hrvatsku kripto industriju 5 godina unazad.
Škorić kaže da smo do nedavno mi bili zemlja koja radi predivne stvari u kriptu, a onda je Prpić svojim izjavama izmislio da se ovdje radi o ponziju od 70 milijuna, što su mediji odmah prenijeli kao narativ cijele priče, i tako je Hrvatska postala zemlja kripto ponzija od 70M.
Kaže Nikola da je ta izjava napravila ogromnu reputacijsku štetu domaćoj kripto industriji jer su je pročitali i svi regulatori, svi investitori, svi bankari i da su sada svi stavili znak jednakosti ispred kripta i ponzija.
Kaže da im je ova priča jako naštetila poslovanju i da umjesto da se priča o tome da je propao ilegalni kripto fond, da je direktor firme u bijegu, a iznos štete nije poznat mi sada imamo isključivo priču o 70M ponziju.

Što mislite o ovome?


Ne znam što bi mislio o ovome. Nisam toliko pratio razvoj situacije pa ne znam što je Prpić pričao. Baš ga i ne volim jer dosta laprda gluposti o raznim stvarima. Jedino mi nije jasno zašto bi hrvatska crypto scena dobila lošu reputaciju samo zato što je jedan lik napravio prevarantsku shemu koja možda je, a možda i nije bila ponzi shema. Jasno mi je da smo mali i ovakva situacija nije baš dobra za reputaciju ali na kraju krajeva to je jedan projekt gdje je nešto pošlo po zlu. To ne znači da su svi u Hrvatskoj automatski prevaranti.

Stvar ti je uvijek u javnoj percepciji nečega.
Da je propao neki klasični investicijski fond, mediji bi vjerojatno imali drugačiji narativ i ne bi pričali da je ulaganje u investicijske fondove ponzi shema već bi govorili da je propao jedan investicijski fond.
U ovom slučaju, s obzirom da već znamo da u medijima nisu baš neki experti za kripto, oni su prenijeli mišljenje tog Prpića, koji je dosta poznat u medijima i čija riječ ili mišljenje imaju određenu ''težinu'', da se u ovom slučaju radi o ponzi shemi od 70 milijuna i najednom je cijeli narativ drugačiji.
Nitko više ne govori o tome da je neka firma Bitlucky  propala, kao što bi to rekli za propast investicijskog fonda, već da se radi o ponzi shemi, čime se praktički implicira da je ulaganje u kripto općenito jedan veliki ponzi.
Tu izjavu je prenijelo jako puno medija u RH i gotovo svi su sada stavili znak jednakosti ispred kripta i ponzi-ja.
Za ostale kripto poduzetnike, poput Nikole Škorića, koji se bori da uspije na kripto tržištu i čiji uspjeh i poslovni rezultati u velikoj mjeri ovise o percepciji banaka, regulatora i tržišta o kriptu, ovo je veliki reputacijski udarac od kojega će se dugo oporavljati.



193  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: ⚽ UEFA Euro 2024 in Germany ⚽ - Qualifiers on: May 22, 2023, 10:31:36 AM

Many members in this debate overemphasize team spirit as the main reason for Croatia's success in recent years at world cups.
However, many other national teams have a strong team spirit, but they do not achieve nearly as good results as Croatia.
Was Croatia second and third in the last 2 world cups solely due to luck or team spirit? I think that's really an exaggeration.
In order to continuously achieve good results in the biggest world competitions, you must have quality players, and be on the same level as other top national teams in the world, such as Brazil, France, Argentina, England etc.
Ignoring this fact and trying to find other reasons for Croatia's continued success at major competitions in recent years simply does not make sense and leads to wrong conclusions.
Simply accept what is an obvious fact, that Croatia is one of the best national teams in the world, with some of the best players in the world.



@Daniel91 you are repeatedly bringing up that someone is saying Croatia is winning due to luck. May I ask you again to quote that line where someone said that Croatia is only winning due to luck? I never said it and I can't find any post stating that Croatia is just lucky. Please, quote that line for me so we can have a discussion based on equal information. Right now it seems you are including some weird interpretations or misunderstandings of yours


Your deep dive into team analysis has my soccer brain doing the wave! It really does shine a spotlight on that age-old wisdom, "the collective juggles the ball better than the lone striker." Or something to that effect. However, I've got a penalty to shoot your way. Are we getting a bit too caught up in the highlight reels and top ten plays? Like when you dribble down memory lane with France's superstars. Undeniably gifted, but do their individual shiny medals automatically make a winning team? What about those sleeping giants Belgium and Portugal, their golden boys still yearning for their trophy-laden dreams?

You've pointed out Brazil’s recent string of misses. But, could it be they're just taking a breather, a tactical pause or perhaps just reassembling their squad? History tells us, even the most robust defensive lines need patching up sometimes. When we flip the soccer coin to Qatar, we open up another can of worms – or should I say, a new set of goalposts? Sure, they've drafted in some high-ranking players. But does that magically blend into a unified team pulsating with a shared sense of purpose for the nation they represent? It's not just about rating teams based on their current form or individual flair. It's about the whole stadium - the chants, the scarves, the locker room camaraderie, the strength to rise from the ashes of defeat.


No, I haven't pointed it out. Someone else did and I continued the conversation.

@slapper you also include words I have never said. Neither did I say that Croatia is a lucky team as @Daniel91 repeatedly says while ignoring the facts of the conversation, nor did I say that " individual shiny medals automatically make a winning team". In fact, this is what I said:

There are games where the individual strength of a single player can be the foundation for the team's success, but usually it is the other way around. The team's strength is the foundation for the individual success.

You guys seem to like it to give specific twists to other peoples' sentences. Tongue



mv1986, I gave a general answer to all participants in the discussion in the last post and not just to you, so there is no need for you to take my answer too personally. If you took it personally, as if I were responding only and directly to you, I apologize.
Have I specifically mentioned you anywhere as someone who considers Croatia's success in football to be luck? Of course I'm not and I'm not claiming that, I'm just generally responding to everyone.
And where did my mention of the luck factor come from?
Honestly, when you come across a post like this, you can't understand it any other way than that someone thinks that the Croatian national team is not good enough and that it achieves its success for some other reasons, such as luck:

First of all thanks for the detailed reply. Excellent analysis, I should say. I don't know whether I will agree with the last sentence though. Winning the Euro Cup in 2024 will be a huge achievement, but I don't know whether I should consider them as one of the favorites. I went through your reply a few times, and then asked this question to myself - why not Croatia? When we talk about teams that are considered as the favorites to win Euro 2024, we always talk about France, Italy, Spain, England and even Germany. Croatia has been pretty consistent over the last decade or so, but a lot of people have difficulty in placing them at the same league as the other favorites. And I suspect this has to do with issues other than football. Croatia is a small country with 4 million people. It is difficult to imagine that they can perform at the same level as France or England.
I think the analysis forgets the fact that the names he replaced are much better than the players that they have now. Sure they have some good players, but to say Livakovic as one of the best goalkeepers in the world now? That seems like overrating him a bit, maybe barely top 10, but that's it.

To say the least, they have a roster value that is matching teams that are not even in the world cup, surely they played better than their roster value but that is exactly the reason why they are doing good. They do not have great players, they never did, they had a few here and there, but none of their players were stars aside from Modric, who is the sole ballon d'or winner during Ronaldo/Messi domination period, but this game is played with 11, so they had 10 other players who were not really finalist level good. The thing that makes Croatio good is not the players, it's the team spirit they play with.

and this post for example:

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In my opinion the second list is more accurate. Of course, I also disagree with such a low assessment of Croatia and I think that Croatia, Denmark and the Netherlands should be quoted equally. Otherwise, everything is more or less fair, especially given the randomness of what is happening in the playoffs.

LOL.. Croatia is far ahead of the other two. When was the last time that Danmark performed well in a major international tournament? The same goes for Netherlands as well. These two are dying teams within the UEFA confederation. Danmark failed to win even a single match during FIFA World Cup of 2022. They lost to Australia and France, and then were held by Tunisia for a goalless draw. Netherlands somehow managed to get to the round of 16, partly due to their karate and MMA skills on field. But in the quarter-finals, they got destroyed by Argentina.

You keep being biased against Argentina  Wink "Destroyed" by Argentina is that what they call a miserable lottery win now?  Grin
Regarding Croatia, I think the bookies rate them so low because this team is on a downtrend (due to age), while the Netherlands, on the contrary, have a young team and theoretically they should be getting stronger. I can’t say anything about Denmark, but the fact that they haven’t won anything for a long time is not an argument for European teams - there is too much competition and even top teams can be without titles for decades.

However, I have to admit that I love arguing with you and I hope you won't withdraw from this discussion now and take this all too personally. That was not my intention.
194  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: ⚽ UEFA Euro 2024 in Germany ⚽ - Qualifiers on: May 22, 2023, 08:30:17 AM
Regrettably, you snipped the part where I said that I have a lot of respect for the Croatian team and you gave some reasons why. Everything you said is true and it is definitely worth a discussion, but it is different from the assessment as to which is the better team playing under a certain national flag. Croatia is a great soccer team and I follow their games at the big tournaments with a lot of excitement. Generally, I have a lot of respect for smaller nations competing well at international tournaments. Or countries that are not at all favorites like Morocco eliminating Spain and Portugal at the World Cup in Qatar. I am all for surprises like that.

But when it comes to a comparison, I can only consider the facts that are relevant to the game itself. Whether those facts are based on shortcomings or injustices isn't relevant for that question alone. Take as an example Qatar at the handball World Cup in 2015 when they naturalized players from abroad in order for those players to become part of the Qatar handball team. That is ridiculous. But when someone asked me whether I think that "Qatar" is going to beat team X, I have to accept the fact that some names on the Qatar squad are there, even if they shouldn't be under normal or fair circumstances.

If I had to choose the team that is better in my opinion, I would choose France over Croatia and I am not saying that France is like vastly superior and the odds are 90:10 in favor of France in any game. But I would say that France is stronger and in a long term battle would probably win more games than they tie or lose against Croatia.
I think it is important to remember that a teams success doesn't mean that it will continue to do that neither. Look at Brazil, could anyone tell me that Brazil is a bad team? Obviously not, they are one of the best rosters in the whole world but they are failing, they are getting results worse than Croatia, does that make them worse than Croatia? To me it doesn't, they are still a better team. Just put the rosters side by side and check the results, you will see that it is not going to be the same thing at all.

However, the results mean that the managers and the team doesn't play the way they should and that's the reason why they are getting worse results. So, it is not about which team is better, it is about which team is more of a team.

Then we fully agree I guess. But there are a few exceptions I think. Usually it is true that a real team that acts like a unit can outcompete a group of players playing under the same national flag but does not act like a team. That is possible and I believe in team play a lot. But when you see how the last World Cup went and you would take out Mbappe for example in the final against Argentina, France would have been a much different, weaker team. I doubt that another striker would have scored three goals in that game alone plus a penalty in the shootout. There are games where the individual strength of a single player can be the foundation for the team's success, but usually it is the other way around. The team's strength is the foundation for the individual success. Haaland would be a good example with Norway. If the team as a whole can't significantly improve, it doesn't matter how many goals Haaland will score.

The example you gave about Croatia and Brazil is a good one. Brazil can't get back to the level as a team that they have been known for for so long, whereas Croatia frequently delivers as a strong unit on the pitch. That makes a huge difference. But France has a lot of players with strong individual abilities that allow them to play some razor-sharp soccer without even spending much time with each other in a club. Whereas Croatia is putting more of their hearts into the game for each other while also having some great players like Modric who is no worse than any French midfielder. Croatia has a great combination of players. I think France could be lacking a bit of the team spirit and the willpower to fight when technique doesn't solve all their problems on the pitch.

Many members in this debate overemphasize team spirit as the main reason for Croatia's success in recent years at world cups.
However, many other national teams have a strong team spirit, but they do not achieve nearly as good results as Croatia.
Was Croatia second and third in the last 2 world cups solely due to luck or team spirit? I think that's really an exaggeration.
In order to continuously achieve good results in the biggest world competitions, you must have quality players, and be on the same level as other top national teams in the world, such as Brazil, France, Argentina, England etc.
Ignoring this fact and trying to find other reasons for Croatia's continued success at major competitions in recent years simply does not make sense and leads to wrong conclusions.
Simply accept what is an obvious fact, that Croatia is one of the best national teams in the world, with some of the best players in the world.

195  Local / Hrvatski (Croatian) / Re: Novosti on: May 22, 2023, 08:17:07 AM
Da, zaista nije realno da u svakom trejdu pogodiš i imaš zaradu.
U jednoj Telegram grupi netko je podijelio odgovor koji je dobio od vlasnika Luke, na pitanje da li se radi o ponzi shemi.
On je naravno odgovorio da se ne radi o nikakvoj prevari, da je sve jako transparentno, da on redovno šalje sve izvještaje tako da svatko može vidjeti svoju situaciju.
Tvrdio je da je ljudima ostvario profit od 300-400 % na btc i eth a da je svaka investicija u kripto dobra i da se trejdanjem može dobro zaraditi.
On naravno govori da ne misli nigdje pobjeći i da je tu da zaradi za sebe i klijenta, da zna da idu u dobrom smjeru, da imaju iskustva i znanja...

Čuj, spika mu je bila jako dobra, i da sam novi kripto ulagač, bez iskustva i znanja, vjerojatno bih prihvatio ovakvu neku ponudu.
Pristup mu je bio dosta profesionalan, pripremio je jako dobre brojke i grafove i tko mu ne bi povjerovao?  Grin
Na žalost, sve ovakve priče imaju ograničeni vijek trajanja.


Na žalost, ljudi uvijek žele ići lakšim putem. Jer zašto bi trošio svoje vrijeme na trejdanje ako mogu lovu dati nekome da trejda umjesto mene za određenu proviziju. Ja moram priznati da sam i ja u početku htio uložiti u taj Bitlucky ali to je bilo tamo negdje 2018. ili 2019. kad sam prvi put imao neku zaradu od kripta. Srećom pa su me tad odbili jer sam htio uložiti (po njima) premalen iznos. Od tada sam se prilično opametio i ne dajem lovu nikome. Ako mi se trejda, onda sam trejdam i zaradim ili izgubim svoju lovu.

Jedino što Bitlucky razlikuje od onih Facebook prevaranata je da su ovi s korisnicima potpisivali ugovor. Pitanje je što piše u tom ugovoru, ali prilično sam siguran da su se ogradili od povrata izgubljenog uloga.

Koliko čitam na nekim Telegram grupama, čini se da su upravo koristili tu formulaciju u ugovorima, o ulaganju na ''osobnu odgovornost''.
Sad, da li će im to pomoći ili ne, ostaje za vidjeti.
Ne znam da li netko od vas prati UBIK (Udruga za blockchain i kriptovalute) Telegram grupu ali zadnja 2 dana tamo se ''užarila'' rasprava o ovom slučaju a posebno se zaoštrilo između Nikole Škorića (direktora Electrocoina) i poduzetnika Hrvoje Prpića.
Škorić je optužio Prpića da je svojim izjavama u medijima o Bitlucky aferi vlastoručno vratio hrvatsku kripto industriju 5 godina unazad.
Škorić kaže da smo do nedavno mi bili zemlja koja radi predivne stvari u kriptu, a onda je Prpić svojim izjavama izmislio da se ovdje radi o ponziju od 70 milijuna, što su mediji odmah prenijeli kao narativ cijele priče, i tako je Hrvatska postala zemlja kripto ponzija od 70M.
Kaže Nikola da je ta izjava napravila ogromnu reputacijsku štetu domaćoj kripto industriji jer su je pročitali i svi regulatori, svi investitori, svi bankari i da su sada svi stavili znak jednakosti ispred kripta i ponzija.
Kaže da im je ova priča jako naštetila poslovanju i da umjesto da se priča o tome da je propao ilegalni kripto fond, da je direktor firme u bijegu, a iznos štete nije poznat mi sada imamo isključivo priču o 70M ponziju.

Što mislite o ovome?

196  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: ⚽ Football Transfers Speculation, Odds and Predictions on: May 21, 2023, 12:09:11 PM
Sunday's gossip:

Tottenham have resumed talks with former Bayern Munich boss Julian Nagelsmann, although he wants to know who will be sporting director before committing.
It is obvious that after the negative experience with Bayern Nagelsmann this time wants to be sure that he has associates he can trust and who will accept his vision. Will there be an agreement?
Real Madrid manager Carlo Ancelotti has asked president Florentino Perez to sign Tottenham's 26-year-old Brazil forward Richarlison. It is obvious that Benzema cannot push the team alone as the only striker, but is Richarlison the right solution for Real?
Arsenal, Liverpool and Barcelona are interested in a summer move for 28-year-old Bayern Munich and Germany midfielder Joshua Kimmich.
Manchester City are keen for swap deal with Bayern Munich for midfielder Kimmich that would allow the German club to keep Cancelo.
Great interest in Kimmich, but what will he decide in the end?
Manchester City will offer Germany midfielder Ilkay Gundogan, 32, a new deal until 2024 with an option for a further season, amid interest from Barcelona. Does this mean that Gundogan could end his football career at Manchester City?

Source: https://www.bbc.com/sport/65658282
197  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: ⚽ UEFA Euro 2024 in Germany ⚽ - Qualifiers on: May 21, 2023, 11:59:25 AM

We are having a really interesting discussion here about Croatia and whether Croatia is on the same level as France.
Instead of guesses and speculations, let's look at concrete facts.
Croatia and France have played each other 3 times in the last 5 years and once France won, once Croatia and once their match ended in a draw.
Pure luck and coincidence, or a serious indication that Croatia may still be on the same level as France?  Grin
I want to remind you that last year Croatia beat the strongest team in France with Mbappe in Paris 1:0.
In the final of Russia 2018, we lost to France after a very dubious decision by the referee regarding the penalty and after a very unfortunate own goal by Mandjukić, in the first half in which we completely outplayed the French team.
Of course, everyone has the right to their opinion, but in the last 2 world cups, Croatia beat Argentina with Messi, England, Belgium and Brazil in a row. Have we really had crazy luck every time or is it still a matter of the great quality of the Croatian national team and the sad lack of respect for Croatia by others?

I have a lot of respect for the Croatian national team and I would never say that a game will ever be easy for any team because it is against Croatia. Indeed, Croatia is an unpleasant, extremely tough opponent, but drawing any conclusions based on three or four games lacks a bit of substance. If you take this approach and apply it to Argentina vs. Saudi Arabia, you will get the same result. But that doesn't mean that Argentina and Saudi Arabia are equally strong and I guess you would agree.

The example is extreme and still different from France vs. Croatia, but there are probably not many people who doubt that France is the better team in regards to individual players. But still an outstanding team performance can beat France. When you want to have a look at numbers and then decide which team has been better so far, I think you could compare the number of participations in the final rounds of the World Cup and the UEFA Euro. For France it is 16 WC participations with 2 titles and 10 UEFA Euro participations with 2 titles. For Croatia it is 6 participations in each tournament and the best result was the runner-up in 2018 at the WC and two times quarter finalists at the UEFA Euro with the last one being in 2008.

I'm not comparing just a few games, but all the games at the last 2 world cups, on a sample of 14 games.
When we look at the results of all national teams at the last 2 world cups, Croatia is the second most successful national team in the world, after France.
We can go further into the past and look at all the world cups from 1998 until today and we will understand that Croatia participated in 6 world cups and won a medal in 3 world cups, in every second world cup in which it participated. No national team in the world can boast of such great success.
Before 1998, there is no point in comparing because Croatia did not exist as an independent state.
At all those world cups, Croatia defeated very strong national teams such as Germany, the Netherlands, Italy, Argentina, England, Belgium, Brazil... so I find it really funny the claims that Croatia is not at the level of those national teams, as well as the claims that all its successes in the last 6 world cups, it was the result of some crazy luck and not the enormous quality of the Croatian national team. Please show respect to Croatia and stop underestimating the Croatian national team.

198  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: UEFA Champions League 2022/23 Season on: May 21, 2023, 11:46:36 AM

We thought the same when Manchester City played their first Champions League final against Chelsea a few years ago. We all know very well how that match ended, even though Manchester City was a big favorite in the bookies.
The final of the Champions League is always a very difficult game, which is very difficult to play, and the game can very easily go in an unwanted direction.
Inter showed that they play very well and organized, especially in defense, and they should not be underestimated.
Of course, Manchester City is a big favorite, but favorites don't always win. The longer the Inter players last without conceding a goal, the greater their chances in the final will be, and the Manchester City players will be more and more nervous and the pressure on them will be increasing.
I hope that history doesn’t repeats itself this season with Inter Milan vs Manchester City in the finals. As much as Manchester City have proven to be a formidable opponent by eliminating one of the best in the history of the competition, it would be a pity to see Inter Milan winning the trophy this season.

I really don't expect to see Inter Milan winning this game because in my idea a team like Inter Milan to be in the final match and racing for the champions league title is a great achievement considering the performance they had during this season. Also, Manchester City is in good form to easily beat a team like Inter Milan.

Realistically, on paper and in the bookies, Manchester City is the big favorite, but that won't mean anything when the Champions League final starts.
Final matches in major competitions always bring a lot of pressure and no one can predict the final result in advance.
Manchester City has been trying to win the Champions League for almost 10 years and the expectations of the public and fans are huge. The players have to deal with a lot of pressure and this game will be completely different for them from other games during this season.
That's why I still think that if Inter can withstand the initial pressure from Manchester City, they will have more and more chances as the game progresses.
199  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: Whats required of me as a newbie in other to grow in this prestigious forum? on: May 21, 2023, 11:36:52 AM
What is your definition of growth on this forum and why do you really think you have to do anything publicly on this forum?
If I don't understand something enough, I simply learn from others, and read other people's posts and thoughts.
When you learn enough about a topic, you will be able to participate in the discussion and give your opinion.
There's really no need to rush, take the time you need, follow the different topics on the forum and when you've learned enough, share your thoughts with us  Grin
200  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: ⚽ Football Transfers Speculation, Odds and Predictions on: May 20, 2023, 12:24:03 PM
Saturday's gossip:

Tottenham could make a surprise move for Chelsea's Senegal goalkeeper Edouard Mendy, 31, as they look to replace French shot-stopper Hugo Lloris, 36, who is out of contract at the end of the season. Very interesting news. I don't understand why Chelsea would agree to such an offer?
Manchester United and England defender Harry Maguire could move to West Ham or Tottenham with the 30-year-old out of favour with boss Erik ten Hag. It seems that a great football career is coming to an end. This season has been disastrous for him, with too many mistakes in the game.
Manchester United could sign two strikers in the summer with Atalanta's Denmark striker Rasmus Hojlund, 20, joining Tottenham and England forward Harry Kane, 29, on the club's shortlist of targets. Manchester United is once again spending a lot of money on new players. So far, such a strategy has not really helped them return to their ''old ways of glory''.
Interim Chelsea manager Frank Lampard says he tried to sign Norwegian forward Erling Haaland during his first stint at Stamford Bridge, before the 22-year-old moved to Borussia Dortmund. Can you imagine what Chelsea would look like if that actually happened?  Grin
Paris St-Germain are set to step up their attempts to lure Jose Mourinho away from Roma, with players close to the Portuguese manager fearing he will depart the Italian club this summer. Mourinho in Paris? Is it really a winning combination and a recipe for trophies in the Champions League?  Grin

Source: https://www.bbc.com/sport/65646894
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