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1061  Local / Hrvatski (Croatian) / Re: Bitcoin - društvena igra shvaćena ozbiljno on: October 10, 2022, 09:57:04 AM
E Danjele, Danjele jesi jadan. Ti ne želiš raspravljati zato jer se bojiš istine. Tako si i onu svoju temu o Buffettu brže bolje zaključao kad ti je objašnjeno što je istina. Ti si jedna obična kukavica koja u nedostatku argumenata bježi od rasprave svrstavanjem oponenta u zavjeraša ili se skriva pod skute autoriteta.

@Policajac, vidim da polako počinješ pokazivati svoje pravo lice. Toliko o konstruktivnoj i argumentiranoj raspravi.
Yeah, tako ti to dođe kad nemaš argumente. Vrijeđanje. [reference] Wink


Upravo tako.
Kada nemaš argumenata, ostaje ti samo vrijeđanje i napadanje drugih.
Nema veze, ovo što piše ovaj lik su takve besmislice i gluposti da je sve zapravo postalo jako zabavno i smiješno.
Putin, radni logori, Staljin, Plenković kao veliki svećenik... Što je slijedeće na meniju?  Grin
1062  Local / Hrvatski (Croatian) / Re: Bitcoin - društvena igra shvaćena ozbiljno on: October 10, 2022, 08:12:15 AM
Čekam još samo priče kako taj resurs može pružiti oralni seks.
Naravno da može, što da ne. Živimo u modernim vremenima. Plaćanje seksualnih usluga i proivoda Bitcoinom i drugim kriptovalutama već postoji. Analno, oralno, ona tebe s guza, ti nju s guza... Možda si ti više ovako za vezanje i bičevanje. Pitaj djevojke, možda pristanu da te bičuju dok ti vičeš: Bitcoin je samo u vašoj mašti, sve su to 1 i 0...    

Girls Gone Bitcoin naprimjer.
Evo ti i nekoliko stranica i prodavnica koje primaju BTC preko Lightning Mreže. Pogledaj, možda ima promocija za analne čepove.

Zamisli tek koliko ćeš poludjeti kad saznaš (ako već nisi saznao) da postoji i Ligtning Network za puno brži prenos BTCa kao plod nečije mašte.
Daj mi reci, tko te to uvjerio da kad vidiš atribuciju broja svojoj adresi, to znači da je došlo do prijenosa nekakvog bitcoina? Sam nisi mogao doći do tog uvjerenja jer na vlastite oči vidiš samo tu atribuciju. Mora postojati neki viši svećenik tipa McAfee, neki medijski ili politički autoritet, starleta, lik kojem slijepo i nekritički vjeruješ, a koji te uvjerio da si dobio nekakve bitcoine u količini atribucije. Tko je taj? Onog tvog kripto druga Danijela su uvjerili političari. Tko je tebe?

Molio bih te da ne izvrćeš moje riječi.
Ja u svom postu nisam spominjao nikakve političare već sam spomenuo državne institucije u RH, HNB i Poreznu upravu, a tamo ne rade političari već državni službenici i namještenici.
Političari su predstavnici političkih stranaka koji se na lokalnim i državnim izborima svake 4 godine natječu za ulazak u općinska i gradska vijeća, te Sabor RH.
Ovo uče već djeca u osnovnoj školi pa me čudi da ne znaš razliku između državnih službenika i političara.

Sud EU je vrlo ozbiljna evropska institucija koja svoje presude ne donosi olako, već nakon pažljivog razmatranja i analize slučaja, i pri tome se savjetuje sa stotinama ekonomskih i drugih stručnjaka. Obično potraje nekoliko mjeseci do nekoliko godina dok ne donesu presudu, na temelju svih činjenica i dokaza.
Čudno da nisu tebe konzultirali po pitanju kripta i bitcoina, možda ipak nisi tako veliki stručnjak kakvim se predstavljaš.
Po njihovoj presudi trgovanje kriptovalutama se smatra financijskom transakcijom i sukladno tome, na takve se transakcije plaća porez.
Ti možeš tvrditi što god hoćeš ali nikakve se atribucije brojevima ne spominju u presudi Suda EU.

Po stručnom mišljenju Hrvatske narodne banke, koja inače ima negativan stav o kriptu i to ne kriju u svim svojim javnim nastupima, kaže se slijedeće (ponavljamo gradivo  Grin):
''Virtualne valute jesu digitalni prikaz vrijednosti i mogu se smatrati specifičnom vrstom imovine koju su njezini imatelji spremni držati i/ili elektronički razmjenjivati te se sporadično njome koristiti za plaćanja.''

Dakle, opet, nitko ne spominje nikakve atribucije brojeva, to je samo pojam u tvojoj mašti.
Da su Hanfa, HNB, Sud EU ili bilo koja druga institucija zaključili isto što i ti, kripto bi već bio davno zabranjen na području RH i EU.
Naravno da se svi slažu da je kripto visokorizično ulaganje, ali isto se može reći i za forex, tržište dionica...
Međutim, ne radi se o prevari i najvažnije sudske i financijske institucije RH i EU su dozvolili trgovanje kriptom, plaćanje kriptom, kupnju i prodaju kripta... tako da je sve legalno i zakonito.

Savjetujem ti da se više ne sramotiš ovdje sa svojim elementarnim neznanjem o osnovnim činjenicama.
Da pretpostavio sam da si ti žešće zaglibio u svoj svijet mašte. Ti čovječe sad negiraš atribuciju brojeva. A što vidiš kraj svoje adrese? Avione? Banane? Hahaha. Ovo sad već nije samo maštanje, ovo je neka psihopatologija.

Drugo. Ok, ti vjeruješ službenicima i namještenicima. A ja ti kažem da ti namještenici provode odluke vrhovnog svećenika - Plenkovića u slučaju RH. Plenković pak je poltron, on provodi odluke EU svećenika. Sudac će napraviti ono što mu Plenki napiše u propisu. Kao što vojnik kolje ako mu Putin tako naredi. Ili kao što je policajac uhićivao u montiranim postupcima kad je Staljin trebao besplatnu radnu snagu za svoje radne logore. Čitaj Solženjicina da shvatiš kako sistem funkcionira. Sistem je stroj koji slijepo izvršava više naloge jedne osobe na vrhu i radi to bez trunke savjesti i pameti, činilo ga sto ili milijun namještenika.

No, nebitno. Ovi tvoji namještenici kojima vjeruješ pričaju o bitcoinu kojeg nema i samo je simuliran atribucijama. Sve što postoji u Nakamotovoj igri je besplatano i dostupno svakome. A igrači se razlikuju jedino u numeričkim atribucijama. Sve ostalo je plod vaše mašte. Velim, shvatit ćete navedeno onda kad ljudima dosadi igra i prestanu se igrati. Vi kao preostali igrači shvatit ćete na teži način ono što vam piše u članku. I cmizdrit ćete kao svi luzeri s dna piramide u financijskim shemama.


Plenković kao vrhovni svećenik, Staljin, montirani procesi, radni logori, Putin....
Pa, što je ovo, neka ozbiljna rasprava o Bitcoinu ili sumanuto pisanje osobe koja očito ima nekih problema koje treba rješavati na nekim drugim mjestima, a ne na internetskom forumu?
Dakle,. Plenković, hrvatska vlada, Hrvatska narodna banka, porezna služba, cijeli EU uključujući Sud EU su se urotili da bi dozvolili korištenje Bitcoina i kripta u svakodnevnom životu?
Luđu teoriju zavjere još nisam čuo do sada.
I što bi bila svrha svega toga?
Veće besmislice u životu nisam pročitao.
Mislio sam da je ovo neka ozbiljna i smislena rasprava o kriptu ali ovo je samo besmisleno naklapanje i različite smiješne teorije zavjere.
Nema smisla zaista dalje sudjelovati u ovome i gubiti vrijeme na različite teorije zavjere i besmislice.
Kažeš: ne vjerujem vlastitim očima nego onome što mi viši svećenik kaže.

A sad kažeš: ne vjerujem vlastitim očima nego ono što mi strah od forumaša kaže.

Vidiš, ovo što si gore napisao uopće nisam rekao, i to vidiš na vlastite oči. Da nisi kukavica koja se boji istine onda bi moj upis tumačio onako kako je napisan. A napisan je tako da ti objasni da stvarnost nije ono što ti autoriteti govore nego ono što vidiš na vlastite oči.

No pošto je danas ono što se vidi na vlastite oči - zavjera, onda sam ja - teoretičar zavjere. A s takvima se ne raspravlja. To su ti isto rekli autoriteti.

E Danjele, Danjele jesi jadan. Ti ne želiš raspravljati zato jer se bojiš istine. Tako su i onu svoju temu o Buffettu brže bolje zaključao kad ti je objašnjeno što je istina. Ti si jedna obična kukavica koja u nedostatku argumenata bježi od rasprave svrstavanjem oponenta u zavjeraša ili se skriva pod skute autoriteta.


Ovo postaje sve bolje i bolje.
Savjetujem svim gledateljima da što prije nabave ulaznice i kokice, sjednu u prvi red i uživaju u showu koji nam Snowshow prikazuje.
Vrhunska zabava zajamčena  Grin
Već dugo nisam pročitao veću količinu besmislica i gluposti na ovom forumu ali dajmo čovjeku priliku da nastavi dalje i uživajmo u predstavi, dok traje  Grin
1063  Local / Hrvatski (Croatian) / Re: Bitcoin - društvena igra shvaćena ozbiljno on: October 10, 2022, 07:21:20 AM
Čekam još samo priče kako taj resurs može pružiti oralni seks.
Naravno da može, što da ne. Živimo u modernim vremenima. Plaćanje seksualnih usluga i proivoda Bitcoinom i drugim kriptovalutama već postoji. Analno, oralno, ona tebe s guza, ti nju s guza... Možda si ti više ovako za vezanje i bičevanje. Pitaj djevojke, možda pristanu da te bičuju dok ti vičeš: Bitcoin je samo u vašoj mašti, sve su to 1 i 0...    

Girls Gone Bitcoin naprimjer.
Evo ti i nekoliko stranica i prodavnica koje primaju BTC preko Lightning Mreže. Pogledaj, možda ima promocija za analne čepove.

Zamisli tek koliko ćeš poludjeti kad saznaš (ako već nisi saznao) da postoji i Ligtning Network za puno brži prenos BTCa kao plod nečije mašte.
Daj mi reci, tko te to uvjerio da kad vidiš atribuciju broja svojoj adresi, to znači da je došlo do prijenosa nekakvog bitcoina? Sam nisi mogao doći do tog uvjerenja jer na vlastite oči vidiš samo tu atribuciju. Mora postojati neki viši svećenik tipa McAfee, neki medijski ili politički autoritet, starleta, lik kojem slijepo i nekritički vjeruješ, a koji te uvjerio da si dobio nekakve bitcoine u količini atribucije. Tko je taj? Onog tvog kripto druga Danijela su uvjerili političari. Tko je tebe?

Molio bih te da ne izvrćeš moje riječi.
Ja u svom postu nisam spominjao nikakve političare već sam spomenuo državne institucije u RH, HNB i Poreznu upravu, a tamo ne rade političari već državni službenici i namještenici.
Političari su predstavnici političkih stranaka koji se na lokalnim i državnim izborima svake 4 godine natječu za ulazak u općinska i gradska vijeća, te Sabor RH.
Ovo uče već djeca u osnovnoj školi pa me čudi da ne znaš razliku između državnih službenika i političara.

Sud EU je vrlo ozbiljna evropska institucija koja svoje presude ne donosi olako, već nakon pažljivog razmatranja i analize slučaja, i pri tome se savjetuje sa stotinama ekonomskih i drugih stručnjaka. Obično potraje nekoliko mjeseci do nekoliko godina dok ne donesu presudu, na temelju svih činjenica i dokaza.
Čudno da nisu tebe konzultirali po pitanju kripta i bitcoina, možda ipak nisi tako veliki stručnjak kakvim se predstavljaš.
Po njihovoj presudi trgovanje kriptovalutama se smatra financijskom transakcijom i sukladno tome, na takve se transakcije plaća porez.
Ti možeš tvrditi što god hoćeš ali nikakve se atribucije brojevima ne spominju u presudi Suda EU.

Po stručnom mišljenju Hrvatske narodne banke, koja inače ima negativan stav o kriptu i to ne kriju u svim svojim javnim nastupima, kaže se slijedeće (ponavljamo gradivo  Grin):
''Virtualne valute jesu digitalni prikaz vrijednosti i mogu se smatrati specifičnom vrstom imovine koju su njezini imatelji spremni držati i/ili elektronički razmjenjivati te se sporadično njome koristiti za plaćanja.''

Dakle, opet, nitko ne spominje nikakve atribucije brojeva, to je samo pojam u tvojoj mašti.
Da su Hanfa, HNB, Sud EU ili bilo koja druga institucija zaključili isto što i ti, kripto bi već bio davno zabranjen na području RH i EU.
Naravno da se svi slažu da je kripto visokorizično ulaganje, ali isto se može reći i za forex, tržište dionica...
Međutim, ne radi se o prevari i najvažnije sudske i financijske institucije RH i EU su dozvolili trgovanje kriptom, plaćanje kriptom, kupnju i prodaju kripta... tako da je sve legalno i zakonito.

Savjetujem ti da se više ne sramotiš ovdje sa svojim elementarnim neznanjem o osnovnim činjenicama.
Da pretpostavio sam da si ti žešće zaglibio u svoj svijet mašte. Ti čovječe sad negiraš atribuciju brojeva. A što vidiš kraj svoje adrese? Avione? Banane? Hahaha. Ovo sad već nije samo maštanje, ovo je neka psihopatologija.

Drugo. Ok, ti vjeruješ službenicima i namještenicima. A ja ti kažem da ti namještenici provode odluke vrhovnog svećenika - Plenkovića u slučaju RH. Plenković pak je poltron, on provodi odluke EU svećenika. Sudac će napraviti ono što mu Plenki napiše u propisu. Kao što vojnik kolje ako mu Putin tako naredi. Ili kao što je policajac uhićivao u montiranim postupcima kad je Staljin trebao besplatnu radnu snagu za svoje radne logore. Čitaj Solženjicina da shvatiš kako sistem funkcionira. Sistem je stroj koji slijepo izvršava više naloge jedne osobe na vrhu i radi to bez trunke savjesti i pameti, činilo ga sto ili milijun namještenika.

No, nebitno. Ovi tvoji namještenici kojima vjeruješ pričaju o bitcoinu kojeg nema i samo je simuliran atribucijama. Sve što postoji u Nakamotovoj igri je besplatano i dostupno svakome. A igrači se razlikuju jedino u numeričkim atribucijama. Sve ostalo je plod vaše mašte. Velim, shvatit ćete navedeno onda kad ljudima dosadi igra i prestanu se igrati. Vi kao preostali igrači shvatit ćete na teži način ono što vam piše u članku. I cmizdrit ćete kao svi luzeri s dna piramide u financijskim shemama.


Plenković kao vrhovni svećenik, Staljin, montirani procesi, radni logori, Putin....
Pa, što je ovo, neka ozbiljna rasprava o Bitcoinu ili sumanuto pisanje osobe koja očito ima nekih problema koje treba rješavati na nekim drugim mjestima, a ne na internetskom forumu?
Dakle,. Plenković, hrvatska vlada, Hrvatska narodna banka, porezna služba, cijeli EU uključujući Sud EU su se urotili da bi dozvolili korištenje Bitcoina i kripta u svakodnevnom životu?
Luđu teoriju zavjere još nisam čuo do sada.
I što bi bila svrha svega toga?
Veće besmislice u životu nisam pročitao.
Mislio sam da je ovo neka ozbiljna i smislena rasprava o kriptu ali ovo je samo besmisleno naklapanje i različite smiješne teorije zavjere.
Nema smisla zaista dalje sudjelovati u ovome i gubiti vrijeme na različite teorije zavjere i besmislice.
1064  Local / Hrvatski (Croatian) / Re: Novosti on: October 10, 2022, 05:58:44 AM
Bitcoin je, uz to što je revolucionaran financijski mehanizam, isto i vrhunski psihološki test društva u kojem živimo.

Nudi nam se decentraliziran financijski sustav na dlanu a mi ćemo ga, nezadovoljni trenutnim bankarskim sustavima, staviti na raznorazne platforme koje su ništa drugo do moderne verzije tih istih prokletih banaka.

Moj BTC je na Electrumu, pa nek razmišljaju čiji je. Poslao ga je tamo cryptofrka s Bybita, Kucoina i Binancea, bez KYC-a. Na exchangeove je poslan s walleta od lika koji mi ne zna ni ime ni prezime, čisti cash deal.

I kako onda dokazati podrijetlo sredstava ako su se godinama ''kiselili'' na nekom digitalnom novčaniku?  Grin
 

Pa platis porez 10% joppd do 28.02. i gotovo, eto. Porijeklo je od bitcoina, zar ne? lol

Bilo bi super da je tako jednostavno ali zaboravio si gdje živimo.
Da, ako samo trguješ Bitcoinom onda važi sve ono što si prethodno rekao.
Međutim, ljudi stječu Bitcoin i na druge načine, osim trgovanja na burzama, recimo radom na konkretnim projektima gdje su plaćeni u Bitcoinu ili drugim kripto valutama.
Evo ti primjera signature kampanja.
Već sam osobno kontaktirao poreznu upravu za pojašnjenje (imaš i cijelu temu o tome) i odgovor je da se to smatra radom i da se svaka uplata Bitcoinom mora u roku od 8 dana prijaviti poreznoj kao drugi dohodak iz inozemstva i platiti porez na drugi dohodak, plus prirez a to je puno više od onih 10% koje ti spominješ,  negdje 30- ak posto ako se dobro sjećam.
Dakle, ako je isplata sa signature kampanje svakih tjedan dana, svakih tjedan dana bi trebalo trčati u poreznu, predavati joppd obrazac i plaćati porez, Iako Bitcoini još nisu pretvoreni u kune ili drugu Fiat valutu.
Pri tome poreznu ne zanima što taj Bitcoin na početku godine može vrijediti 70 000$ a na kraju godine 16 000$ pa ako platiš porez od 30 i više posto na 70 000 na kraju godine, ako btc padne na 16 000 ti si u velikom gubitku i zapravo si više morao dati za porez nego što tvoj Bitcoin vrijedi.
A što tek reći za brojne shitcoine koji u međuvremenu mogu pasti na nulu?
Onda ti valjda ostaje da prijaviš porezni gubitak u poreznoj i proglasiš osobni bankrot lol
Razumiješ sada što je problem i zašto to gotovo nitko ne radi?
Nije problem ovdje ako se radi o manjim iznosima koje lako podigneš preko crypto kartice na bankomatu već ako se radi o velikim iznosima s kojima želiš kupiti kuću ili jahtu.
1065  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: The UEFA Nations League 2020/2021 Discussion Thread on: October 09, 2022, 12:57:50 PM
Thank you for the kind words about my national team.  Cheesy
Croatia already played in the final at the last World Cup 2018 in Russia and unfortunately lost in the final to France. We were also third in the world in 1998, so we are already used to the good performances of our national team at the biggest competitions.
Croatia also played well in the League of Nations this year, beating France and Denmark away from home and winning first place in the group.
For a long time, Croatia is not only Modric, but also Kovacic from Chelsea, Brozovic from Inter, Stanisic from Bayern, Perisic from Tottenham etc.
We had a short crisis after the World Cup in Russia 2018, but again we have a very good team and we are ready for great results  Grin
Portugal in final? Why not?  Grin

Croatia has a great team, especially with Modric in it. You have every right to be proud of your national team.

They have a great coach along with a well-balanced team that has strength, both speed and power, defense ability, and good goalkeeper. They played very well in the last World Cup and if they can play again in the same way, I think Croatia will be a strong team to look out for at the World Cup in Qatar, regardless of the fact that some of their players are aging and some young players are still inexperienced in international tournaments. But still, their team is filled with players who play for some of the best clubs in Europe, which makes them a dangerous opponent for any team that they meet on the field. I think Croatia can definitely make it to the quarterfinals and maybe even beyond that!


Thanks, I agree with you!  Grin
In fact, I think that Croatia today is a very good combination of experience and youth.
On the one hand, older and experienced players like Modric, Brozovic, Kovacic, Perisic, and on the other, young and talented players like Orsic, Guardiol, Sosa, Stanisic, Livaja...
I think we have a very well balanced team, strong in all positions in the team and I think we can expect great results again at the World Cup.
Final again? Why not?  Grin
1066  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: FIFA World Cup 2022 Group Stage Highlights on: October 09, 2022, 12:52:07 PM
~snip~
If UEFA had not started the Nations League, European teams would have played uninteresting friendlies against unattractive opponents.
Now European teams have the opportunity to participate in an interesting and attractive competition against the strongest European teams, earn good money and at the same time check the strength of their team.
I think that the concept of this competition is very well received by the public and that every year it becomes more and more popular.
Of course, it is the hardest for the players who arrive tired after a difficult club season in Europe, but it is difficult to find free time for this type of competition, especially in the year when the world cup is played.

Yeah, I think it's a good thing for European countries, but that means that there's less friendly matches between European teams and the rest of the world. So for example Argentina and Brazil don't get to play with stronger teams in their friendly matches.

Yes, you are right, but this has clearly become a question of money and profit.
UEFA recognized the opportunity to earn extra money and European teams recognized the opportunity to play against Europe's best teams for a title that means something instead of boring friendlies that nobody cares about.
However, I wouldn't be surprised if FIFA reacts and does something similar at the world level, which would include Brazil and Argentina  Grin
Don't we already have a world club championship?  Cheesy
1067  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: 2022 FIFA World Cup in Qatar - UEFA Qualifiers on: October 09, 2022, 12:45:17 PM
~snip~
To be fair to Belgium, they have some quality young players emerging as well. There are De Keteleare and Saelemeakers from Milan and Onana from Everton - all young and highly rated. Faez from Leicester as well.

Belgium still has a core of elite players playing on top of their game - they are near the top of my list of favorites to win. Croatia is good - I fancy our chances - but we'll be more of a dark horse than a serious contender.

Yeah, Belgium does have a pretty decent squad, and I'm sure they'll end up going to the next stage. But actually winning the world cup?, I don't think so. There are way too many better teams. Belgium would have to be extremely lucky a couple of times to actually win the tournament. But hey, you never know with football...

I think similarly to you.
Belgium is a good and experienced national team and I am almost certain that they will qualify for the knockout phase of the World Championship.
What happens after that and how far Belgium can go in the competition will also depend on the draw, opponents and luck.
However, I don't see them as one of the favorites for the World Cup and I don't think they will repeat the success of Russia, when they were third in the world.
1068  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: FIFA 2022 world cup on: October 09, 2022, 12:40:48 PM
Croatia is still in the lead in this competition. I see Luka Modric as a game creator and also the captain is still in good form. At Real Madrid he also has an important role to play in managing the defense as well as attack, how is it possible for a 37-year-old to have so much stamina and I think only Modric can do that.

For that matter Cristiano Ronaldo is also 37 years old, and he seems to be in much better shape when compared to Luka Modrić. I had mentioned this previously. This world cup will witness a number of players in their late 30s leading their respective teams. Lionel Messi is 35 years old, while his team-mate Ángel Di María is 34. Luis Suárez is also 35, and Fernando Muslera is 36. Others are Manuel Neuer (36), Karim Benzema (34) and Kasper Schmeichel (35). Goran Pandev and Zlatan Ibrahimović are the only notable omissions, as their teams failed to qualify.  

I would disagree with you.
Ronaldo is in a big crisis and hardly plays for Manchester, and his contribution to the Portuguese national team is very small this year.
On the other hand, Modric plays great both in Real and in the national team and is among the best players in both teams.
Real and the Croatian national football team simply can't play without Modric.
With such Modric, Real can once again win the Spanish football championship and the Champions League, and the Croatian national football team can once again play in the final of the World Cup.
On the other hand, Manchester and Portugal are playing better without Ronaldo at the moment.
1069  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: UEFA Champions League 2022/23 Season on: October 09, 2022, 12:33:54 PM
Graham Potter is able to change Chelsea's gameplay very quickly. Chelsea had a strong squad. However, their performances have been very poor since the start of this season. Chelsea dropped points in the first two matches of the Champions League. But their performance in the last match was very organized. Chelsea are stabilizing themselves very quickly. Graham Potter is doing a great job.

Indeed in the UCL Chelsea played well against Milan. Potter is able to display an equally good combination of attack and defense. Even They are able to make Milan players difficult. The victory leaves Chelsea still with a great chance of qualifying for the knockout phase. The difference is 1 point with Leipzig and the same as Milan's points. Previously I had a chance to worry because Potter didn't have much experience. Even the title he doesn't have much either.  But if they are able to perform like this, I think my prediction was wrong.

I watched Chelsea in Zagreb against Dinamo and they really played very badly. Without concentration and determination in defense and with constant but ineffective attacks, without a plan and vision.
After such a Chelsea game, I was almost sure that Chelsea was not the group's favorite, and that was also shown in the game against Salzburg.
Chelsea was last in the group and seemed to be in a big crisis, but the new coach revived the team and a new Chelsea played against Milan.
Now it seems to me again that Chelsea is the first favorite of the group and that the other three clubs will fight for the second place in the group.
1070  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: How do you no is a scam as a newbie on: October 09, 2022, 12:25:42 PM
We the newbies fall into victims to scammers due to the lack of idea on how to research about it or things to be considered before starting, And also scammers always rush on newbies because they can easily be deceived.




My advice to you is to never rush any serious decisions in your life, and investing in crypto is just such a decision.
Before thinking about any investment, you have to learn and analyze a lot.
Also, you should be aware of your personal situation and accordingly make a clear investment plan, after thoroughly analyzing and researching the market.
You must have a clear investment strategy and exit strategy and stick to your plan until the end.
1071  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: That one thing I like about Bitcointalk on: October 09, 2022, 12:19:00 PM
If you have to talk about the coins you are currently holding or how many btc you have in your wallet online make sure you aren't using your real picture, many people lost their lives in robbery through pictures they posted online, some mistakenly reveal their location, this is why I recommend bitcointalk to my friends, its not social like twitter where you can throw the world your handsome faces, this forum is the safest place to discuss everything crypto

We are all friends on here but I don't know how Fillippone, theymos or the_pharmacist looks like, a male or female? I don't know and I believe it's for the best.

I don't understand why you would even need to tell anyone about your crypto assets?
It's one thing to talk about cryptocurrency in general, it's quite another to share private and confidential information about how much money you have. You don't even talk about it with relatives and friends, and especially not with unknown people in public.
And why would you post your picture somewhere or give personal information, I really don't understand?
Simply enjoy this forum and never, ever, reveal your personal information.
1072  Local / Hrvatski (Croatian) / Re: Bitcoin - društvena igra shvaćena ozbiljno on: October 09, 2022, 12:10:18 PM
Čekam još samo priče kako taj resurs može pružiti oralni seks.
Naravno da može, što da ne. Živimo u modernim vremenima. Plaćanje seksualnih usluga i proivoda Bitcoinom i drugim kriptovalutama već postoji. Analno, oralno, ona tebe s guza, ti nju s guza... Možda si ti više ovako za vezanje i bičevanje. Pitaj djevojke, možda pristanu da te bičuju dok ti vičeš: Bitcoin je samo u vašoj mašti, sve su to 1 i 0...    

Girls Gone Bitcoin naprimjer.
Evo ti i nekoliko stranica i prodavnica koje primaju BTC preko Lightning Mreže. Pogledaj, možda ima promocija za analne čepove.

Zamisli tek koliko ćeš poludjeti kad saznaš (ako već nisi saznao) da postoji i Ligtning Network za puno brži prenos BTCa kao plod nečije mašte.
Daj mi reci, tko te to uvjerio da kad vidiš atribuciju broja svojoj adresi, to znači da je došlo do prijenosa nekakvog bitcoina? Sam nisi mogao doći do tog uvjerenja jer na vlastite oči vidiš samo tu atribuciju. Mora postojati neki viši svećenik tipa McAfee, neki medijski ili politički autoritet, starleta, lik kojem slijepo i nekritički vjeruješ, a koji te uvjerio da si dobio nekakve bitcoine u količini atribucije. Tko je taj? Onog tvog kripto druga Danijela su uvjerili političari. Tko je tebe?

Molio bih te da ne izvrćeš moje riječi.
Ja u svom postu nisam spominjao nikakve političare već sam spomenuo državne institucije u RH, HNB i Poreznu upravu, a tamo ne rade političari već državni službenici i namještenici.
Političari su predstavnici političkih stranaka koji se na lokalnim i državnim izborima svake 4 godine natječu za ulazak u općinska i gradska vijeća, te Sabor RH.
Ovo uče već djeca u osnovnoj školi pa me čudi da ne znaš razliku između državnih službenika i političara.

Sud EU je vrlo ozbiljna evropska institucija koja svoje presude ne donosi olako, već nakon pažljivog razmatranja i analize slučaja, i pri tome se savjetuje sa stotinama ekonomskih i drugih stručnjaka. Obično potraje nekoliko mjeseci do nekoliko godina dok ne donesu presudu, na temelju svih činjenica i dokaza.
Čudno da nisu tebe konzultirali po pitanju kripta i bitcoina, možda ipak nisi tako veliki stručnjak kakvim se predstavljaš.
Po njihovoj presudi trgovanje kriptovalutama se smatra financijskom transakcijom i sukladno tome, na takve se transakcije plaća porez.
Ti možeš tvrditi što god hoćeš ali nikakve se atribucije brojevima ne spominju u presudi Suda EU.

Po stručnom mišljenju Hrvatske narodne banke, koja inače ima negativan stav o kriptu i to ne kriju u svim svojim javnim nastupima, kaže se slijedeće (ponavljamo gradivo  Grin):
''Virtualne valute jesu digitalni prikaz vrijednosti i mogu se smatrati specifičnom vrstom imovine koju su njezini imatelji spremni držati i/ili elektronički razmjenjivati te se sporadično njome koristiti za plaćanja.''

Dakle, opet, nitko ne spominje nikakve atribucije brojeva, to je samo pojam u tvojoj mašti.
Da su Hanfa, HNB, Sud EU ili bilo koja druga institucija zaključili isto što i ti, kripto bi već bio davno zabranjen na području RH i EU.
Naravno da se svi slažu da je kripto visokorizično ulaganje, ali isto se može reći i za forex, tržište dionica...
Međutim, ne radi se o prevari i najvažnije sudske i financijske institucije RH i EU su dozvolili trgovanje kriptom, plaćanje kriptom, kupnju i prodaju kripta... tako da je sve legalno i zakonito.

Savjetujem ti da se više ne sramotiš ovdje sa svojim elementarnim neznanjem o osnovnim činjenicama.
1073  Local / Hrvatski (Croatian) / Re: Novosti on: October 09, 2022, 11:31:14 AM
Bitcoin je, uz to što je revolucionaran financijski mehanizam, isto i vrhunski psihološki test društva u kojem živimo.

Nudi nam se decentraliziran financijski sustav na dlanu a mi ćemo ga, nezadovoljni trenutnim bankarskim sustavima, staviti na raznorazne platforme koje su ništa drugo do moderne verzije tih istih prokletih banaka.

Moj BTC je na Electrumu, pa nek razmišljaju čiji je. Poslao ga je tamo cryptofrka s Bybita, Kucoina i Binancea, bez KYC-a. Na exchangeove je poslan s walleta od lika koji mi ne zna ni ime ni prezime, čisti cash deal.

Zapravo nije problem sačuvati anonimnost na Internetu i u kripto svijetu ( i izbjeći kyc) a postoje mnogi dobri načini sigurne pohrane kripta, electrum ali i mnogi drugi. Ja recimo ono što mi ne treba za tekuće potrebe držim na ledgeru.
Problem nastaje u trenutku kada imaš neki veći iznos u kriptu i želiš s tim sredstvima kupiti kuću, stan, jahtu...
Takve transakcije ne možeš obaviti anonimno, moraš dati svoj OIB a svaka transakcija iznad određenog iznosa se po defaultu prijavljuje Uredu za pranje novca.
I kako onda dokazati podrijetlo sredstava ako su se godinama ''kiselili'' na nekom digitalnom novčaniku?  Grin
 
1074  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: The UEFA Nations League 2020/2021 Discussion Thread on: October 08, 2022, 02:15:26 PM
Why can't this match be draw? although I support Spain but I want to say from my experience that this match is more likely to be draw. Because both teams are almost equally strong . i am waiting for tomorrow and curious to see what actually happens in this game
In Nations League you can expect any random result.. Best example for today is Norway vs Slovenia.
Switzerland is failing in this league while Spain is doing good, that's why most people support it. Besides odds are way in favour of Spain around 1.5 vs 6 for Switzerland.


The Nations League results are too inconsistent and I think I know why it is like that. It is because the League itself for this year is also inconsistent. They play in and they play out, and it happening in the year of the world Cup. Since it is world Cup season, some good teams who can do well in the world Cup are not taking the league so seriously while some who who will not do well in world Cup or who didn't qualify are taking it serious.
Well, I think that this is a way to have all the football fans waiting there, but it is as you say, the potential they have is not really shown, if they watch the games there are many new players who had not been seen before, for me this is a special opportunity to put those players that the tenciso have in their sights and see how they do with high-level games, but of course this does not guarantee anything, that is why I think that Your comments go, but even so, you can enjoy time with the stars that put them to play for a few minutes, but at least they see each other, and this is of great help to the technicians.
Firstly, this is an assumption that we cannot measure in any way, so it remains only to exchange opinions. And opinions remain only opinions, since there are no devices that accurately measure motivation and, in the end, tell who was right.
Secondly, I choose Italy because in my opinion "not winning something for a long time" is not a tragedy, but a normal state of affairs that the team is trying to overcome. But the situation that happened with Italy is a real disaster that is not the norm and thus awakens motivation.

I'm also sorry for Italy and it's really a huge shame that such a good national team, the current European champion, won't play at the World Cup, and they didn't play at the last World Cup either.
I really don't understand what happened to them in the world cup qualifiers? Overconfidence, lack of luck, insufficient preparation for qualifications etc?
Italy is a very good and experienced national team and they are always one of the favorites in every competition, but I would still give the host, the Netherlands, the small advantage in this competition.
On the other hand, I believe that my Croatia could surprise again and win this competition  Grin

Why not? If Portugal could win the League of Nations, why shouldn't Croatia?  Cool

As for Italy, this failure can be explained by separates results, but given the fact that this is the second time in a row, this (taking into account the status of Italy) is more like a curse  Grin Paradox - two failures in the qualifications for the World Cup and between them a triumph in the European Championship.

Well to tell the truth they are right, for me Italy is a country that has given us a lot in terms of football, many of us have experienced the emotions that this team always brings and awakens, I also admire their technique a lot even though they are very focused on what defensively, and for now I also think that Croatia has it all, we can't forget that they are under the captaincy of one of the best in the world and he is a player who is used to winning and he is Luka Modric, for me he is one of the best players that exist at the moment and it is as many have stated, Croatia is a team that can cause a surprise in the World Cup, it can reach the final, I would really like to see a European final even though I am South American, it is difficult to see that a Brazil not going to a final, but a final between Croatia and Portugal would be great.


Thank you for the kind words about my national team.  Cheesy
Croatia already played in the final at the last World Cup 2018 in Russia and unfortunately lost in the final to France. We were also third in the world in 1998, so we are already used to the good performances of our national team at the biggest competitions.
Croatia also played well in the League of Nations this year, beating France and Denmark away from home and winning first place in the group.
For a long time, Croatia is not only Modric, but also Kovacic from Chelsea, Brozovic from Inter, Stanisic from Bayern, Perisic from Tottenham etc.
We had a short crisis after the World Cup in Russia 2018, but again we have a very good team and we are ready for great results  Grin
Portugal in final? Why not?  Grin
1075  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: 2022 FIFA World Cup in Qatar - UEFA Qualifiers on: October 08, 2022, 02:03:49 PM
I hope the countries of Asia and Africa will make a surprise in World Cup 2022.
And there will be a new world champion beyond those who have won the world cup.
Netherlands and Belgium are my best guess Smiley

A big LOL to this. Netherlands and Belgium winning the world cup.  Grin

Belgium is essentially a one man army, and without Lukaku they don't have any existence on their own. And Netherlands players are more interested in showcasing their karate and kung-fu tactics on opposition players, rather than trying to score goals. This time both of these teams may struggle to get in to the quarter-final stage. Netherlands is placed along with Qatar, Ecuador and Senegal in Group A. I won't be surprised if they finish at the 4th position. And Belgium is placed along with Canada, Morocco and Croatia. They may finish at 2nd or 3rd position.

I would do some more research before saying stuff like this as Belgium has a lot of talented players on their team (Lukaku, Courtouis, Hazard, De Bruyne, Mertens, ...). So calling them a one man army is far from the reality. I don't think they will win the world cup but chances are pretty high that they will finish first in their group.

Belgium is a very good and experienced team, and I agree that they are favorites for one of the top two places in the group.
However, it will be very difficult for them to win the first place in the group against Croatia, who are currently playing very well and recently beat away France and Denmark in the Nations League.
At the last World Cup, Belgium was third in the world and Croatia was second, but while Croatia rejuvenated the team, older players are playing for Belgium, whose peak was at the 2018 World Cup in Russia.
I give Croatia a better chance of success at this world championship than Belgium.
1076  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: FIFA World Cup 2022 Group Stage Highlights on: October 08, 2022, 01:55:28 PM
Right, yes. The World Cup should have the highest priority.

I'm surprised that UEFA didn't schedule those matches correctly though. It's pretty obvious that all the teams will be preferring to play the World Cup than the Nations League.

Well.. I believe that it is OK to have the UEFA League of Nations at this time. After all, it gives some valuable match practice to the European teams ahead of the world cup. Most of the players are spending a majority of the time with their club sides. Nations league gives them an opportunity to build team bonding with the national players. The only issue is related to the overlap. Now UEFA needs to step in and draw a line for the clubs, and tell them not to create obstacles for the international matches.

If UEFA had not started the Nations League, European teams would have played uninteresting friendlies against unattractive opponents.
Now European teams have the opportunity to participate in an interesting and attractive competition against the strongest European teams, earn good money and at the same time check the strength of their team.
I think that the concept of this competition is very well received by the public and that every year it becomes more and more popular.
Of course, it is the hardest for the players who arrive tired after a difficult club season in Europe, but it is difficult to find free time for this type of competition, especially in the year when the world cup is played.
1077  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: FIFA 2022 world cup on: October 08, 2022, 01:45:03 PM
I have to admit this time Brazil is a strong candidate for the world cup champion. They have a lot of talented players, especially players who each play for teams in the English league, their attack line is very strong, maybe the coach will be a little confused in making his choice. Maybe the tough opponents for Brazil are Argentina, France and Germany because they also have a lot of great players. I can't wait to see the world cup match which will be held in November.
Yeah, people keep on adding the most popular teams to the list of favourite. Think of the previous FIFA, very few were for France and none thought it would be Croatia as the opponent. This time too we can see more such unexpected teams making big performance. I find some small teams making a big moment in FIFA 2022.

Croatia is still in the lead in this competition. I see Luka Modric as a game creator and also the captain is still in good form. At Real Madrid he also has an important role to play in managing the defense as well as attack, how is it possible for a 37-year-old to have so much stamina and I think only Modric can do that.

Modric is still the leader of the Croatian team and one of the main players in Real Madrid, but Croatia is not only Modric.
Croatia has several other fantastic players such as Perisic (Tottenham), Kovacic (Chelsea), Brozovic (Inter), Gvardiol (Leipzig), Stanisic (Bayern)... and they have already shown their quality in the League of Nations, after winning  against France and Denmark and and winning first place in the group.
After a short crisis after the World Cup in Russia, Croatia is playing at the highest level again and at the World Cup it will be a tough opponent for every national team and with a little luck it can go far again.
1078  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: UEFA Champions League 2022/23 Season on: October 08, 2022, 01:33:41 PM
Things are starting to look up at Chelsea. Graham Potter and his team, who beat Milan 3-0 at home, will hopefully recover after this. It will be good for them to get at least a draw away from Milan next week. In fact, it is a group where chelsea will easily come 1st but the bad run has affected them. They still have a chance. If they win all their remaining matches, they will easily come first in the group.
In group E all teams still have a chance to qualify and only Salzburg have 5 points remaining while Milan and Chelsea have 4 points.
Next week will be another meeting for the second leg, of course with a draw it is not a good hope for Chelsea they want 3 points to look safe for a while in the group if a draw is still very likely there is a chance of qualifying but still competing with other teams but the only way is to win with Milan again I think that's what Potter needs to improve Chelsea's quality again.

Chelsea started this season very badly, both in the English championship and in the Champions League, but they are slowly raising the level of their game and I think they will almost certainly pass the group, as first or second.
The new coach has obviously done a great job.
If Dinamo beats Salzburg in Zagreb, then I think that until the end the fight for the second place in the group will be between Dinamo and Milan, and their match in Zagreb will probably decide.
I still give Milan a small advantage.
At the beginning of the qualifiers, everyone expected this to be an easy group for Chelsea and Milan, but until the end of the competition, it will be uncertain and exciting.
1079  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: UEFA Conference League 2022/23 Season on: October 08, 2022, 01:20:17 PM
There is a very interesting image in the UEFA Conference League Group G. All teams have 4 points and 0 goal average. This group is like a group of students cheating on an exam. Smiley))



Sivasspor were defeated at home by Malmö and Balkani, making it difficult for them to advance to the next round. I think the favorites of this group are Malmö and Balkani. Malmö were already natural favourites. Balkani could be the surprise of the group... Sivasspor's goal hope Mustapha Yatabare is 37 years old. Last year's star Max Gradel is 34 years old. The average age of Sivasspor team is very high. This team cannot handle the intense match tempo. I have great sympathy for Sivasspor, but I do not expect them to advance to the next round from this group.



Hi Joca97, I mistakenly wrote Malmö instead of Slavia Prague.

The most surprising result of this week was in the Sivasspor - FC Ballkani. Losing this comfortable match by an absurd scored like 4-3 must be a good lesson for them. Also ,all the teams in the group have 4 points which is pretty interesting. 

Ballkani is probably the biggest surprise in all European competitions this year.
The club from a small village in Kosovo is currently leading in its group and has a real chance of reaching the knockout stage of the competition.
This is not their first surprising result, they were very good in the first round as well, but in the last minute of the game they conceded a goal and missed the chance to win.
Now luck has returned to them what it took from them before and they achieved the first, historic victory of Kosovo clubs in a European competition.
Football always writes the best stories  Grin
1080  Other / Meta / Re: Does Forum Advertising Considered as a Formal Work? on: October 08, 2022, 01:11:28 PM
I don't see any reason why signature campaign is called as formal work? you don't need to the company at 8 AM and back to your home at 4 PM, you don't need to become a shill who promote your company etc etc. In signature campaign you just need to wear their signature and just post regularly like before you joined the campaign, if you think the rules are strict and you not comfortable, you shouldn't apply in the first place.

It may be wrong to talk about signature campaigns as a form of employment for anyone who participates in them, but I believe that there are a lot of people for whom this is the only source of income and they consider it their job. Although some will not agree that this way of earning should be considered a formal job, many people today do their jobs online, have flexible working hours and are paid for their work like someone who goes to a factory every day and works 8 hours or more.

Of course, signature campaigns are not something that should be taken as a job in the literal sense, but there are rules, pay rates, payment dates and in some countries, you even have to pay tax on this form of income if you want to do everything legally.

It can be said that signature campaigns have a lot of similarities with freelancer jobs.
So, it's about jobs that we do in our free time, when it suits us, without a specific employment contract, and that's how a lot of people on the Internet work today.
Unfortunately, this part about the obligation to declare taxes is correct, at least in my country, which really surprised me.
I thought that the tax liability only arises when btc is exchanged for fiat currency, but it is not so.
On the tax side, this is obviously a formal, real work.
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