Are you even cognizant of the fact that you're exploiting a piece of reverse-troll propaganda and thus in actuality yourself trolling? Do you condone Dash trolls, or are you in denial that such a thing exists? I wasn't talking to you here, I was asking a question to Riccardo. I have nothing to do with this OP caper, I just know that this whole thing is getting both sides nowhere fast. So I'm not trolling. I do not condone trolling from either side. I also do not condone censorship over legitimate debate and criticism from anybody in Dash. While I can't control anyone and can't stop them from doing these things if they wish to, I've been abundantly clear where I stand on these issues. I'm simply asking a respected member of the Monero community where he stands on them, and I'm still waiting for an answer. Silence speaks volumes... |
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The actions of some individuals in one social media site does not equate to Dash suppressing free speech. I can't speak for the individual you speak of (I would need examples) but I can for myself and I am perfectly OK with criticism and debate. Dash.org, the Dash ANN, the Dash Nation thread are all either unmoderated or slightly moderated for BS like spam. Plenty of avenues to get valid opinions and criticism in.
First up, the reason you had "crickets" from me was because I was asleep. I'm sorry I chose to sleep at 3am instead of continuing this discussion. I find it's always best to remember that people live all over the world, and long-form discussions don't need to occur when you happen to be online. Now to the point: your quoted post is incredibly hypocritical. You're calling on me to speak for some individuals on one social media site, because apparently their actions equate to Monero's actions. Pot. Kettle. Black. Not really. I'm going on record as saying that I don't condone censorship, people getting banned because someone doesn't agree with a post on Reddit. My position on this is clear. Enough of the bullshit and let's get on with the business at hand of making the future currencies of the world. I've asked you before, and I will ask you again, do you or do you not condone the actions of the Monero trolls? Do you think that trolling other coins is a good way to gain publicity? Are you happy that people think of this when they think about Monero? I'm still waiting for an answer, Riccardo. |
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Who's suppressing free speech? The Dash ANN is unmoderated, as is the Dash Nation thread. I got ambushed by 5 or 6 detractors over there all at once, and debated them all on Dash's merits and shortcomings. Debate and crtiticism is what leads to a stronger coin and we welcome it in Dash. Unlike the Dash Nation Civil War thread, which I have had my posts deleted from...
You know full well that /r/Dashpay bans anyone that the moderation team doesn't agree with, as well as censoring material it doesn't agree with. You can't just turn around and distance yourself from the Dash subreddit just because you're not in charge. If you're going to attack isolated trolls as being representative of the entire Monero community, then at the very least show some backbone and take responsibility for the actions of your fellow Dash administrators. The actions of some individuals in one social media site does not equate to Dash suppressing free speech. I can't speak for the individual you speak of (I would need examples) but I can for myself and I am perfectly OK with criticism and debate. Dash.org, the Dash ANN, the Dash Nation thread are all either unmoderated or slightly moderated for BS like spam. Plenty of avenues to get valid opinions and criticism in. I ask you to show me a post where I celebrated his endeavor. I merely said earlier that the force is strong with him as he saw an opportunity to make a point, and followed through with it. And there you go with your incessant "scam" mantra. I'm still waiting for facts in the Dash Nation thread, and am still hearing crickets, surprise, surprise. Don't make me post the Allen Iverson video again...
So you are condoning it? And at the same time asking Fluffy to renounce critics (who mind you, never asked for a dime from the dash community). Do I need to spell out the H word for you? Also, a scammer is someone who passes themselves, a product, or a business KNOWINGLY as something it is not--so, TAO, when I write that TheDashGuy is a scammer for pretending to be a Monero convert and asking for donations, I can assure you that the English language agrees with my usage. But thanks for illustrating again that you have no idea what a scam is or when you are actively condoning one. No, I'm not condoning it. The actions of The Dash Guy, while solely for the purpose of turning the tables on people who have been attacking Dash mercilessly for years, might not have been the best way to get his point across. As far as the "scam" comments, just so we're clear, I'm talking about your "house of scammers" comment, which would certainly imply the whole Dash project. So I understand fine the meaning of your previous comment, and that is the one I took exception to. Always nice to debate you, I always had a soft spot for you... |
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I'm still waiting, Riccardo. Ok, fair enough. Let me ask YOU this, then. Do you condone the behaviour of these individuals? Do you think that is the direction that Monero (and crypto as a whole) should be taking? I've got my Twitter account waiting for your answer, either way...
Do you condone trolling of other coins by members of your community? Is that what you want Monero to be known for? Take a stand, man! *crickets* Is this the caliber of people you would like to invest in? If not, there's room for you in Dash Nation: www.dash.orgwww.dashnation.comHow is anyone supposed to participate in Dash Nation if you suppress free speech? TheDashGuy enjoyed the freedom to roam around the Monero subreddit to pull off his little prank. That is not possible to do with Dash because of their policy on speech restrictions and banning dissent. Who's suppressing free speech? The Dash ANN is unmoderated, as is the Dash Nation thread. I got ambushed by 5 or 6 detractors over there all at once, and debated them all on Dash's merits and shortcomings. Debate and crtiticism is what leads to a stronger coin and we welcome it in Dash. Unlike the Dash Nation Civil War thread, which I have had my posts deleted from... I am amazed, the Dash turned out to be an absolute gutter of a community.
Btw Technically sound individuals wont be impressed by soda selling machines
Respectfully disagree on that one. The InstantSend technology that goes into the machine's software prevents double spends, and can be used in situations where the object being purchased costs far more than a can of Mountain Dew. It's just the showcase. Merchants can adopt it, and not be in fear of double spends, while the customer can pay and go. Dash truly is digital cash. I look forward to Dash's peer-reviewed white papers that contain no mathematics. And I look forward to Monero's leaders standing up and publicly denouncing the wretched behaviour of their band of trolls that serve to make all of crypto look bad, not to mention hold Monero back. Alas, that will never happen either. We need to end this. I'm definitely not the only one who feels this way. I hope you are in agreement on that point. I will absolutely not denounce anyone. They are intelligent individuals who are welcome to say whatever they want. If I am to denounce them because they are critical of some other project, where does that end? What if some community members decide they don't like sushi, which I love - should I denounce them too? What if they have different moral beliefs, or religious beliefs, or they don't love dogs as much as I do? Your call for "Monero's leaders" (such as they exist) to denounce members of the community for this is a disgusting attack on free speech. Ok, fair enough. Let me ask YOU this, then. Do you condone the behaviour of these individuals? Do you think that is the direction that Monero (and crypto as a whole) should be taking? I've got my Twitter account waiting for your answer, either way... Have you denounced TheDashGuy? No, you celebrated his pretending to be someone else and taking people's money based on this false information. Once a house of scammers, always a house of scammers. I ask you to show me a post where I celebrated his endeavor. I merely said earlier that the force is strong with him as he saw an opportunity to make a point, and followed through with it. And there you go with your incessant "scam" mantra. I'm still waiting for facts in the Dash Nation thread, and am still hearing crickets, surprise, surprise. Don't make me post the Allen Iverson video again... |
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I'm still waiting, Riccardo. Ok, fair enough. Let me ask YOU this, then. Do you condone the behaviour of these individuals? Do you think that is the direction that Monero (and crypto as a whole) should be taking? I've got my Twitter account waiting for your answer, either way...
Do you condone trolling of other coins by members of your community? Is that what you want Monero to be known for? Take a stand, man! *crickets* Is this the caliber of people you would like to invest in? If not, there's room for you in Dash Nation: www.dash.orgwww.dashnation.com |
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Ok, fair enough. Let me ask YOU this, then. Do you condone the behaviour of these individuals? Do you think that is the direction that Monero (and crypto as a whole) should be taking? I've got my Twitter account waiting for your answer, either way...
I absolutely, 100% think that the claims of projects should be questioned. Nice dance around the subject. That's not what I asked you. The tactics used by these individuals are arguably overshadowing the technology behind your coin.  Do you condone trolling of other coins by members of your community? Is that what you want Monero to be known for? Take a stand, man! |
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I look forward to Dash's peer-reviewed white papers that contain no mathematics. And I look forward to Monero's leaders standing up and publicly denouncing the wretched behaviour of their band of trolls that serve to make all of crypto look bad, not to mention hold Monero back. Alas, that will never happen either. We need to end this. I'm definitely not the only one who feels this way. I hope you are in agreement on that point. I will absolutely not denounce anyone. They are intelligent individuals who are welcome to say whatever they want. If I am to denounce them because they are critical of some other project, where does that end? What if some community members decide they don't like sushi, which I love - should I denounce them too? What if they have different moral beliefs, or religious beliefs, or they don't love dogs as much as I do? Your call for "Monero's leaders" (such as they exist) to denounce members of the community for this is a disgusting attack on free speech. Ok, fair enough. Let me ask YOU this, then. Do you condone the behaviour of these individuals? Do you think that is the direction that Monero (and crypto as a whole) should be taking? I've got my Twitter account waiting for your answer, either way... |
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I look forward to Dash's peer-reviewed white papers that contain no mathematics. And I look forward to Monero's leaders standing up and publicly denouncing the wretched behaviour of their band of trolls that serve to make all of crypto look bad, not to mention hold Monero back. Alas, that will never happen either. We need to end this. I'm definitely not the only one who feels this way. I hope you are in agreement on that point. |
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I think both are innovative and useful in their own ways. I agree that intra-cryptocurrency trolling is counterproductive to the ideal end game.
Amen, brother. There is plenty of world GDP for a lot of currencies simultaneously. Let's not waste our resources with infighting, when there is a bigger target to conquer. One of the fundamental properties of junk mail is to ensure that it is sufficiently riddled with poor spelling and grammar, thus making only the very stupid fall for the underlying scam.
Dash kinda functions in a similar manner. If you look at the Dash userbase - that is to say those Dash users that have not deserted - it is only really the very stupid that remain.
Thus, it functions as a kind of of Hornet's Nest operation - a "Dash trap" ensuring that only the very stupid users are waving the flag, bringing new stupid users in, and consequently allowing for an environment where the userbase are prisoners of their own stupidity.
This means that the effect of their stupidity ensures that they are unable to discern the qualifications of a good/bad project, thus keeping them all trapped together in perpetuity. The plus side is though that it effectively quarantines all the unintelligent users together and keeps them from escaping into better projects where they might allow their dysfunctional idiocy to spread.
Exceptional hypothesis. Too bad I didn't understand a word of that unsubstantiated crap, as I am too stupid.  |
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Can't believe they paid TheDashGuy 300XMR to try convert him haha.
I'll start the bidding on the puppy's services at 1,000 XMR. (Monero Nation?  Nah, doesn't have the same ring to it...) |
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Time to end the XMR vs DASH battle: Confessions of a Dash supporter, troll and critic.There has long been a feud between Monero & Dash, as well as among Monero and the rest of the crypto space.. but lets take a step back. I started researching Bitcoin back in 2010, and finally jumped in mid 2011, because I saw a way to become unbanked, I saw a way to help push the world forward, and most of all, I saw a way to give children (one day) a better life than I had, with more freedoms, less taxes and more life overall in general. I'm not here to make a quick buck, I'm here to help fix the world. Let's get that cleared up right away. (feel free to verify this inside the Dash community) This was the beginning of my obsession with the crypto space, the blockchain and decentralization overall.. after a few years I realized what faults Bitcoin really had that didn't seem to be on anyones roadmap to getting fixed, so I started looking for Bitcoin 2.0, I spent quite a few months last year digging through BTCtalk, forums, social media and in IRC channels. I found quite a few wonderfully ingenious ideas that I wasn't sure would take off in the process, but at the end of it all I settled on adding Dash to my portfolio (yes I know all about the instamine, not here to discuss that, I'm here to discuss why I never found out about, nor care about Monero and why I believe that is the case). And I hope after reading this the Monero trolls will calm their asses down...because the only reason this story is being written is out of the pure hilarity of it. Otherwise I would have just kept it to myself and giggled all the way to the bank! Anyways, I'm not the best writer as you can see, so I will just jump right in to the funnies and life lessons. Trolling is bad, useless & waste of everyones time. (unless you are me)We all know Monero loves to troll the rest of the communities out there in an effort to claw up some more exposure, and while I will give them props for thier ability to mobilize quickly, I would go as far to say these tactics are harming Monero overall in the long run. Having Monero supporters planted everywhere in an almost NSA like effort to infiltrate the crowd, is NOT what crypto is about, crypto is about pushing the world forward, whether that's with Bitcoin, Monero, Dash, or even Litecoin I couldn't care less. I just want us to succeed as a whole, I want to live in a (more) decentralized world where I'm not someone's corporate slave, and sadly Monerobros, you guys are helping ruin that entire idea with your tactless trolling and attacking of anyone/everyone in this space.
Most children only learn a lesson by experiencing it for themselves and extrapolating that lesson, let's apply this to Monero trolls.The Monerobros as of late have taken notice of my scolding some Dash core team members (on the Dash forums) and thought it would be a good idea to quote me and create threads about how awesomely honest I am and how they would love me in their monerobro crew.. so me being the jokester I am thought it would be funny to drop by the "Dashnation civil war" war thread and joke around, little did I know MONERO HAS THE MOST GULLIBLE CROWD IN CRYPTO! After posting my funny post, people started suggesting I was a fake and to post proof on the Monero Subreddit on TheDashGuy reddit account, so I did. Then I proceeded to play this angle for a few hours walking a very fine line between having "quit" Dash to supposedly becoming a "Monero convert", within hours I had started receive some donations and at first it was merely just fun and games, then eventually hit 9 XMR, 30 XMR, 240 XMR.. then finally 300 XMR I will be using your funds to fund DashNation content and I am super greatful some of you have such a good heart, regardless of this, I still have to make a point about how this type of attitude is being wasted in your community, you guys spend so much time arguing, shaming, bitching & trolling that you don't have anytime left over to actually grow your coin! It's craziness I tell you! Toxicity is bad for everyone. And bad for Crypto!Noone listens to you or takes you seriously anyways, I should know. And let me be clear, I have nothing against Monero as a currency, but I do despise FUD, and the general being an ass without a cause. If you have to be rude to get your point across, maybe do more research on your point and come back with a better argument? Trolling will do nothing but further ruin Monero's reputation, so get it under control or face a backlash of enormous effects from the entire crypto world when everyone collectively gets sick of this. Some screens for added effect:This is some of the $120 given out in the Dash Slack  This is some of all the lovely tips I received for "defecting from Dash" (which never happened, they just cherry picked me blowing up on core team of disagreements and quitting the Dash forums to better spend my time supporting Dash than arguing with a stupid member there all the time)  This is some of the donations about to rain on all the online members of the Slack channel! They loved it!  You guys have a very nice community aside from the trolls from what I can tell, so do something about it before those trolls take you down with them. I for one don't see a point in all this infighting between coins, we are all here for the same reason, the reason I stated I am here, to change the world. And we cannot do that divided, so stop trolling and start hugging! TLDR:If any of you are tired of the unhealthy trolling behavior, maybe look into a coin like Dash that is advancing crypto, as you guys may notice we often keep our heads down and keep marching forward, something more cryptos should be doing, not this crap. And sidenote; Monero fellas are quite gullible: Noone quit Dash for Monero, Sorry! I may have issues with certain aspects of the currency, but I'm still here, working my ass off for it. I hope to improve and fix the issues I see, not cry and bitch until I get bored and move on. We should all try being a little nicer to one another around here and stop throwing shit around all day, it stinks! Sincerely, A Crypto Evangelist since 2011 oh and here's some links for fun and historical purposes: This thread is why I did this: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1534087.0 ( I run DashNation LOL & there is no "civil war", just more trolling.) These threads were funny: https://www.reddit.com/r/Monero/comments/4qyi33/someone_owes_me_fanboy_tips/https://www.reddit.com/r/Monero/comments/4qywbx/what_are_moneros_pain_points_marketing_design/Some people inspired to participate with my funnies: https://www.reddit.com/r/Monero/comments/4r2oq9/am_done_with_dash_seriously/https://www.reddit.com/r/Monero/comments/4r0tso/i_was_into_dash_but/    Oh and go checkout DashNation the website everyone! http://www.dashnation.com/edit: Enjoy the 4th of July Fireworks everyone! Off to a BBQ I go! The force is strong with this one. Yes, Dash Nation is stronger than ever, many people interested in checking out all of the innovation Dash has to offer. The building of a strong community around Dash is my passion, and it's good to see more people contributing to the cause daily. Thanks for helping me build a nice site to cultivate my vision. |
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Masternode Setup, Buying Shares, and 'Interest-Bearing Accounts' of the Future | DASH: Detailed With a current return-on-investment of 10%+ annually, many are wondering how to launch a Dash masternode. Luckily -- unlike in the world of mining -- detailed information on how to begin is not difficult to come by. But for interested investors who don't own 1000 Dash now and won't in the foreseeable future, what is a protocol-level, decentralized solution for the long term? watch on youtube: https://youtu.be/4GRrLiTCq5MThank you @tuapoma for bringing actual real Dash info to the Altcoin Discussion board. It's a refreshing change from the endless bickering, spin and innuendo we usually see here from the usual suspects... |
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Good evening, folks. New Dash Nation member Aaron Casillas lends Dashpay Magazine his technical analysis skills in this video about Bitcoin and Dash markets: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lw4LdtG_v0IGreat job, Aaron, looking forward to more of your work. The Dash Nation project is proceeding just as I had planned, gaining new members with talents and skills to give, who support each other while we build a community around the digital cash that Satoshi envisioned, the Internet of Money. We are even inspiring our detractors, and I think that is just dandy: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=872895https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1534087.0Thanks for the validation that it is working and getting under your skin just a tad. I always knew that imitation was the sincerest form of flattery! Plenty of room to join the Dash Nation crew. Once you've tried Dash, you'll wonder how you lived without it! Cheers, Tao Informative links in the OP. |
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3:13 Something pretty interesting is getting introduced here as concept : Decentralized Masternode Shares * any amount of Dash can be used to buy / set aside these decentralized masternode (network regnoniced) shares, while being in full control of one's own private keys --> an interest bearing savings account within the wallet * masternode operators will pull these shares up (i assume to ciculate them through the network so it knows that specific amount is participating as a share) and get paid for doing that Thats gonna draw a lot of users to Dash and provide masternode operators with more rewards Its a win-win situation. Appearently it is to be introduced with protocol version 2, not sure when or where that lays in our current roadmap https://www.dash.org/forum/threads/dash-2016-roadmap.8068/ Very interesting, indeed. |
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not to troll or anything bad, there's one thing i don't get and i want just ask
i don't understand why you use the word "nation" in such a project.
i believe is a word that should belong to the old/past humans, i can only think of bad things related to the concept of nation. i believe crypto is something looking forward, that belongs to future humans, something that has no borders, no central government, no restrictions.
if you call something "x nation" then is automatically something i don't want to belong to, despite all good intentions.
maybe i'm too picky but i guess words are still important and deliver some kind of feelings with them.
Thank you for asking! I'm not sure if you follow Major League Baseball, but the fans of the Boston Red Sox call themselves "Red Sox Nation". These are among the most passionate fans in all of sport, contributing mightily to the team's bottom line. They follow the team around religiously, and lead by example to convince others to become fans as well. So, what I'm trying to create in Dash is Red Sox Nation times 1,000,000! A borderless group of progressives, passionate about Dash, spreading the message of financial freedom and empowerment and offering something to belong to, not just something to use. Dash Nation is the platform for the ideological angle, and is not meant to be taken literally. Thank you for giving me the chance to explain that. |
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