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The only thing that Evan was guilty of is being excited, enthusiastic, and lacking foresight about what he was doing. You have to understand the timing as well. This was a time when several coins were hitting the market every day. Evan was excited about his creation and wanted to launch as soon as possible. His enthusiasm can be seen in the post you quoted.
He still has that enthusiasm to this day, and it's evident with every new groundbreaking idea he comes up with, and every innovation he articulates. He is a visionary, and he's leading a passionate, devoted team. This is where I see the difference in Dash. Building the Internet of Money will not be easy, and it's wonderful to see this team work together. If you don't believe me, just hang out at DashTalk for a while.
Thank you for sharing your opinion, however.
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Sorry, not buying it. There hasn't been a shred of evidence, a "smoking gun" if you will, to link Evan to any bad intent. There were mistakes that happened, to be sure, but to say that Evan knowingly perpetrated a scam is preposterous without cold hard indisputable facts. There is tons of documentation as to what happened that day, but none of it proves that it was done intentionally.
I maintain that Evan is a fine, professional individual who is doing a great job leading the team building the Internet Of Money. I read all of your threads, I'm still here. And Dash isn't going away. We are focused on the future, and building a medium of exchange that's private, instant and easy to use for everyone.
Those are the facts, and they are undisputed. I just don't need 20 threads to tell people. This one will do fine.
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Well, not to worry honestly Dash can never be accepted mainstream the start is just too bad. Google is your friend. I mean anyone wanting to invest will check google first. That brings up like 20x dash/dark scam threads. Threads all started by folks who have a clear bias toward competing coins. People with a seeming obsession to discredit Dash so that their coin can succeed. That's not the way to compete. If you spread negativity for too long, it can backfire on you. It's already starting. My article has been read close to 2000 times with 30 Facebook likes at the moment. Not to mention all the hits to the other Dash related content I host there. That's the real world, my friend, and it's where Dash is shining and offering a true alternative to Bitcoin, and the leading candidate to be the Internet Of Money. |
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I would like to take this opportunity to thank all of you reading this thread. The Dash project is exciting, and is not a scam like some people would have you believe. All it takes to know this is to hang around Dash Nation for a while. The level of professionalism and cohesiveness is unparalleled in crypto. I didn't always believe this, I had to be convinced. If you are dissatisfied with Bitcoin, Dash gives you a fantastic alternative, which has a way faster improvement plan.
Once again, thanks for your time.
Tao (Dash Nation Campaign Founder)
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Excellent. You don't know when to quit! I love it.
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In the last half hour, I got 20 more visitors to www.rebelmouse.com/dashnation. Thank you to all who read this. I look forward to meeting all who decide to join Dash Nation. You will be part of a positive, professional, ambitious community which seeks to build the Internet Of Money. It's very exciting to be a part of. Good night all, and gentlemen, please continue to tell your stories and send people to my site. Cheers, Tao |
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The lower emission now is a good thing no? Less inflation. Someone buying Dash now would be secure in knowing that their funds will not rapidly devalue due to many coins being produced.
Thank you for making me feel even better about my investment! On top of all the other cool stuff, now I can mention that to newcomers as well.
This conversation has been invaluable to me. I hope more of you show up with good news...
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Hey, I heard that you can break InstantX. When can we expect that to happen? I will personally tip you if you do it. Don't disappoint me. Generalize this said you could.
I found a high school level probability math error in the InstantX white paper that had been there for a guess roughly a year and nobody had done the peer review. So this tells you there is no world-class development team. The white paper was claiming astronomical odds of colluding masternodes able to corrupt the InstantX transactions. I showed the probability was much more reasonable. I forget the exact quantification, but it roughly dropped in the range of a some akair double-digit percentage of the masternodes would enable corrupting afair single-digit x% of the InstantX transactions. So the difficulty in attacking that version of InstantX (assuming it hasn't been somehow improved in some yet undocumented manner) is I need to acquire the masternodes and then I need to do the development coding. I would thus risk destroying the value of all that DRK locked up for masternodes because the price of DRK would likely plummet if I attack it. I don't know if there is any way for me to short DRK with sufficient size and liquidity and also why would I want to risk a short position on trying to prove this? I have neither the funds nor time to waste on that when working on my project is worth $millions to me in opportunity cost. I have said that in the future if Dash is not already dead and I have $millions, then I will likely pay a hacker to destroy Dash because I view it (my opinion) as an major scam that is defrauding our community. The reason the InstantX flaw (and other flaws) matter is because: 1. It exemplifies how inept the Dash development team is. There are surely more flaws lurking that no one has peer reviewed. 2. If Dash scales up, then there will be many hackers with the motivation to attack it and short it. So these flaws although not worth any of us attacking now, actually insure it is quite implausible that Dash could ever scale up to do anything in real adoption. Also the masternode scam violates the principle of trustless, non-centralization which is necessary to promote network effects (i.e. for others to invest their company in your technology). On top of that, afaics (based on limited information Evan has released) Evolution is flawed and really doesn't solve any problems of scaling. I will wait until after it is released to explain why. So that will be hanging over your head. Nice post. You know your shit. But I will tell you the same thing I told generalize this. Until someone actually attacks Dash and breaks it, these statements are conjecture. But another thing while we're on the topic... Why don't you present these findings to Dash for a reward? If you are right and this is an attack vector, I will personally submit a proposal to pay you for your trouble. See, Dash isn't all bad. And another thing. These scams that you guys are screaming everywhere about? I wasn't here for the instamine, was I scammed? If Dash's beginnings were flawed and a few people got that many coins, that means that they will work like hell to improve the project. I personally would not begrudge Evan if he becomes the next Bill Gates. There are Dash for sale right now, people that buy these Dash and join Dash Nation are going to be part of a community with leaders that are passionate, talented AND motivated. Make no mistake, it's not too late to make money with a Dash investment. I wouldn't have started the Tao Index if I thought differently. Some say scam, but where are the victims? That's where that argument fails. |
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If you need an introduction...
My name is Tao Of Satoshi, which means the way of Satoshi. That is why I support Dash, as I feel it is the true digital cash that Satoshi envisioned. Decentralized, trustless, instant and private. Bitcoin has run into problems with centralization in development and funding. Keeping things decentralized is crucial to Satoshi's vision and Dash keeps it that way with all features running through the Masternode network.
Evan Duffield, contrary to popular opinion here, is a genius in the fields of crypto and finance. He and the Dash team have served decentralization well, and will continue to do so with Evolution. No Blockstreams or MITs in the Dash ecosystem, just cold hard Dash from the blockchain.
Achieving our goal of being the Internet Of Money will be hard, but certainly attainable due to our many advantages I described in my article in the OP.
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Taoway is that you? you're the guy that first broke the darkcoin scam are you not? Are you the same person? I heard that you are.
You are the one we should all be thankful too for bringing the outright scam to our attention. You probably helped us stop Dash becoming a MUCH larger problem.
Was he bought off to stop attacking? Attack to force Evan to sell you some cheap DRK and in exchange you agree to become a pumper. Not beyond the realm of plausibility. Only they know. Gentlemen, you're losing focus! I'm Dash, remember? I'm the bad guy. It doesn't matter who I was or will be, just that here and now I represent Dash. Can we get back to the regurgitation and ad hominem attacks? It's what you guys are best at. |
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...how vertoe quit because of Dash's one-man dictatorship, etc.
Kyle Hagan (aka InternetApe) quit. Apparently vertoe is a different person. Vertoe was quoting Kyle. Eventually Dash will be taken down by one of its clones that have no scam start to forever hold it back.
Incorrect, because the only reason for Dash's existence is the scam. Clones would have nothing worth speculating on, unless they copy the masternode scam. I believe what I am working on will kill Dash and most of the other altcoins, but we will have to see if that ever comes to fruition. Dash eventually dies by eating itself. Meaning once the insiders run out of sufficient new virgins to rape, they will turn on each other. An excellent hypothesis! Please elaborate! I'm rapt with anticipation. The rumours are true, you truly are a genius! |
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...with Dash currently having the upper hand due to superior technology with self governance and funding.
Liar. Illegal hype. It's not all sunshine and roses for Dash as I mentioned. We have a huge network effect hole to climb out of. But by making crypto easier to use for the masses with Evolution, combined with future mobility to make timely decisions through the DGBB, we will continue to take bites out of Bitcoin's market cap. Hey, I heard that you can break InstantX. When can we expect that to happen? I will personally tip you if you do it. Don't disappoint me. Generalize this said you could. |
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Thank you guys so much for the free thread bumps.
You're doing me a favour, generating link clicks to an article which quite rightly describes the current state of affairs between Dash and Bitcoin, with Dash currently having the upper hand due to superior technology with self governance and funding.
All of your attempts to rehash every little negative or pseudo-negative event in Dash's history is having the desired effect for me. My website which is a wealth of information about Dash is seeing a lot of action thanks to you.
Please continue your school-boy bully tactics while I continue to interest people in Dash and Dash Nation.
Really, stand up job!
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I want to thank those who took the time to read my article in the OP, and this thread. I have to go now, so the trolls MAY have free reign for a while. Please leave me any questions you may have about Dash, and I will answer them later when I get some time.
Kind regards,
Tao (Dash Nation Campaign Founder)
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I would prefer a fork of Dash without the instamine. dnet and others are out. These are fair(er) versions of dash. Looks for them. More will start to flow out soon I'm sure. Find the fairer clones and support them. Even dashers should realise a 0.001% stake in dash can buy you a 01% stake in the clones. Far better chance of big returns. Do they have a world-class dev team and a professional, devoted community? I'll stick with Dash. I know a winning team when I see one. Dash has a mere 28 contributors. If that's "world-class" then what are Bitcoin (325 contributors) and Monero (41)? Galaxy class? 
Does Dash has a "world-class dev team?" No, it doesn't.A "world-class dev team" doesn't royally screw up a change to Litecoin's difficulty algorithm, then deploy it without testing, then refuse to relaunch with fair notice after fixing the instamine "bug." A "world-class dev team" wouldn't rip off CoinJoin, then refuse to talk to the creator of said technique about technical matters but insist on using his name for snake-oil marketing. A "world-class dev team" doesn't offer financial advice by make rosy price predictions based on TA tea leaves, nor would they promote Masternodes using claims of high yields for an unlicensed investment product. A "world-class dev team" wouldn't make a product that actual world-class devs GMAX and PTOD refer to as "bad crypto" and "broken." Of course there's no question the DashHole community of bagholders is devoted to a cult-like level, but that's more creepy, unsettling, and (paraphrasing GMAX) depressing about the general state of humanity than a feature. The most noticeable thing about DashHoles vs Bitcoiners (and especially Monero Mustangs) is they tend to lack a background in crypto and be more towards the low-information, socially constructed reality dwelling end of the spectrum, as opposed to the uber-nerd/power-geek/egghead/cypherpunk types you find being excited about esoteric concepts like ring signatures and 100% fungibility. Dash goes out of its way to pander to the dim-witted and/or lazy thinking of those who don't understand all the technical jargon and just want to believe in a brand that makes them feel safe, while still appealing to their sense of greed by promising (or at least implying) a Business Opportunity to Get Rich Quick. When we see such blatant fraud we are compelled to cry fraud, lest we also be frauds. I feel much hate in you. I'm sorry your efforts are not going to be appreciated. Only focusing on the negative leads to health problems, and you won't get me to go down that path. We have a 5000+ thread that documents all of the positive things Dash has done, and that's where I choose to focus. Thank you for bringing that impressive, spun-to-the max list to us though, It proves that no one is perfect. What else you got? I promise you, you won't be able to control the narrative in this thread. The truth always comes out, and it's on our side. |
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I would have to say Evan is really on a different level, he brought to us Darksend, instantX, & decentralized governance and funding. No wonder the man is getting lots of crypto coverage and has like 20 clones out there using Masernodes. Can't wait for what is next actually being a crypto fan this is very exciting. Our friends here the Monero shills spamming their competitors threads like crazy everywhere fail to understand how big these achievements are because their biggest upcoming updates is a silly GUI wallet....this is their main goal and moon next right?
Where is TBTP_need_war I am still waiting for he's coin that will solve all these coins issues ....bla bla bla I am a genius with an IQ OF 160+? not sure what he said but it is something like that lol
So true, thanks for the post. I already count 4 Trolleros in less than 2 pages here. wow Let them come, they've been running unchecked for too long. They need to be put in their place. Dash is a great project, and the crypto world deserves to see it as such without the constant false narrative of its competitors. Anyone who is not convinced should spend a little bit of time on my website where they will see the truth. The trolls are helping us with our PR as well by keeping this thread bumped. Sunny ways, my friend. Combat negativity with Dash's positive energy. We have facts on our side. #DashNation |
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I would prefer a fork of Dash without the instamine. dnet and others are out. These are fair(er) versions of dash. Looks for them. More will start to flow out soon I'm sure. Find the fairer clones and support them. Even dashers should realise a 0.001% stake in dash can buy you a 01% stake in the clones. Far better chance of big returns. Do they have a world-class dev team and a professional, devoted community? I'll stick with Dash. I know a winning team when I see one. World class dev team? They chose the insecurity of x11, a second rate anonymity method, and topped it off with an instamine and emissions reduction. This level of delusion should be reserved for religions and psych-wards, not technology. Aren't you the same idiot who tweeted that Evan could cure cancer if he was locked in a room for an hour? Ad hominems notwithstanding, yes, I'm the same idiot who tweeted that, and you're entitled to your opinion. I used to be like you, skeptical of Dash. But then I did more research, hung around a bit, and let me tell you, there is no more cohesive group in crypto. Everyone focuses on their strengths, and does what they can to improve the project. The points I made in my article are powerful ones, and they indicate that Dash will stand the test of time. You should do more research, then you'd realize that the flaws in dash are hardly opinion (but maybe you think Evan will magically cure them after he's done curing cancer). There are flaws in every crypto. Having the means and the talent to fix them is what separates Dash from the rest. You will start to see it more and more with increased marketcap leading to more capability to finance projects. The flaws will be fixed, but the strengths remain. Hope isn't a plan. How will the flaws be fixed? And don't sell me by the same genius who built them into the coin. Show me a plan, a white paper, anything but marketing spiel and vague promises. Amateur hour is over. I'm not hoping. I bought into the team, not the individual. The team behind Dash, including myself, is relentless and will not stop until we reach our goals. If a certain aspect of Dash threatens our survival, make no mistake, we will make every attempt and due diligence until it is fixed. There are no such flaws right now. X11 is insecure. Instanx is flawed as outlined by TPTB_need-war. Both of these flaws have been made apparent to Evan. He initially argued that one didn't exist (in the case of instantx) and stated that there was an easy fix if X11 was exploited, but when shown that his logic was flawed in both cases, he disappeared from the both conversations. So is there a plan to fix these flaws or are you maintaining they don't exist? Both of these statements will be dealt with if someone actually proves that they're a problem. If someone breaks x-11, we will fix it. If someone takes money from someone using InstantX, we will fix it. Until someone actually has the wherewithal to attack Dash and actually break it, those statements are just conjecture. Even if they were true, the attacker would be doing Dash a favour by making it stronger, and allowing our professional team the chance to improve the Internet Of Money. So please, go to your friend and tell him Tao told him to stand by his statements and break Dash. How would you "fix" an X11 exploit? Sorry if your hand waving and promises are meaningless to me. Evan's plan was to eliminate the exploited chain and roll everything back, but that's BS, and when countered on his flawed plan, he disappeared. So now the plan is to just wait and see if it happens and then fix it? How? Luck and good intentions? Your hand-waving and baseless accusations are equally meaningless to me. If you back up your statement and break Dash, we will fix it. That I promise you. I find it amazing that you are pitching this as a good investment when you can't even acknowledge a major flaw. When it breaks, it will be broken, and you won't be able to just fix it. Congratulations on your bliss, but I'd pay to see your face when you realize what it's based on. Happy trails, I'll let you get back to your little sales rally. Fair enough. Do it. Then we'll see who's right. Have a nice day, yourself! |
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Oh look, here's one of the low-information cultist types I was just talking about.  *the more Dash Bernard L. Madoff Investment Securities is attacked, the more you can be sure Dash Bernard L. Madoff Investment Securities is winning *the more Dash Lehman Brothers is attacked, the more you can be sure Dash Lehman Brothers is winning *the more Dash Paycoin is attacked, the more you can be sure Dash Paycoin is winning *the more Dash Cryptsy is attacked, the more you can be sure Dash Cryptsy is winning See how that works? It's OK to be confused, since this is probably your first encounter with factual analysis using logic.  Ah, nostalgia. The instamine. No new material for us? I'm sure anyone who is reading this has already read all of the arguments from both sides, so you are bringing nothing new to the conversation. Dash is moving forward. We have the talent, we have the personnel, we have the governance and the funding we require to achieve our goals. Living in the past will not change that fact. Watch the Tao Index over time if you don't believe me. Onwards and upwards, Dash Nation! |
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I would have to say Evan is really on a different level, he brought to us Darksend, instantX, & decentralized governance and funding. No wonder the man is getting lots of crypto coverage and has like 20 clones out there using Masernodes. Can't wait for what is next actually being a crypto fan this is very exciting. Our friends here the Monero shills spamming their competitors threads like crazy everywhere fail to understand how big these achievements are because their biggest upcoming updates is a silly GUI wallet....this is their main goal and moon next right?
Where is TBTP_need_war I am still waiting for he's coin that will solve all these coins issues ....bla bla bla I am a genius with an IQ OF 160+? not sure what he said but it is something like that lol
You are right, Evan is on another level. The amount of work he does for Dash is rivalled only by his absence from the forums. As far as competitors spamming, you can't blame them, it is competition after all. As my article shows, Dash is winning, and it is always their tactic to repeat the same things over and over to discredit Dash. But Dash has it's sights squarely on being the Internet Of Money, and that's what we will achieve. The markets will decide the winner, far away from the message boards. |
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