I would prefer a fork of Dash without the instamine. dnet and others are out. These are fair(er) versions of dash. Looks for them. More will start to flow out soon I'm sure. Find the fairer clones and support them. Even dashers should realise a 0.001% stake in dash can buy you a 01% stake in the clones. Far better chance of big returns. Do they have a world-class dev team and a professional, devoted community? I'll stick with Dash. I know a winning team when I see one. World class dev team? They chose the insecurity of x11, a second rate anonymity method, and topped it off with an instamine and emissions reduction. This level of delusion should be reserved for religions and psych-wards, not technology. Aren't you the same idiot who tweeted that Evan could cure cancer if he was locked in a room for an hour? Ad hominems notwithstanding, yes, I'm the same idiot who tweeted that, and you're entitled to your opinion. I used to be like you, skeptical of Dash. But then I did more research, hung around a bit, and let me tell you, there is no more cohesive group in crypto. Everyone focuses on their strengths, and does what they can to improve the project. The points I made in my article are powerful ones, and they indicate that Dash will stand the test of time. You should do more research, then you'd realize that the flaws in dash are hardly opinion (but maybe you think Evan will magically cure them after he's done curing cancer). There are flaws in every crypto. Having the means and the talent to fix them is what separates Dash from the rest. You will start to see it more and more with increased marketcap leading to more capability to finance projects. The flaws will be fixed, but the strengths remain. Hope isn't a plan. How will the flaws be fixed? And don't sell me by the same genius who built them into the coin. Show me a plan, a white paper, anything but marketing spiel and vague promises. Amateur hour is over. I'm not hoping. I bought into the team, not the individual. The team behind Dash, including myself, is relentless and will not stop until we reach our goals. If a certain aspect of Dash threatens our survival, make no mistake, we will make every attempt and due diligence until it is fixed. There are no such flaws right now. X11 is insecure. Instanx is flawed as outlined by TPTB_need-war. Both of these flaws have been made apparent to Evan. He initially argued that one didn't exist (in the case of instantx) and stated that there was an easy fix if X11 was exploited, but when shown that his logic was flawed in both cases, he disappeared from the both conversations. So is there a plan to fix these flaws or are you maintaining they don't exist? Both of these statements will be dealt with if someone actually proves that they're a problem. If someone breaks x-11, we will fix it. If someone takes money from someone using InstantX, we will fix it. Until someone actually has the wherewithal to attack Dash and actually break it, those statements are just conjecture. Even if they were true, the attacker would be doing Dash a favour by making it stronger, and allowing our professional team the chance to improve the Internet Of Money. So please, go to your friend and tell him Tao told him to stand by his statements and break Dash. How would you "fix" an X11 exploit? Sorry if your hand waving and promises are meaningless to me. Evan's plan was to eliminate the exploited chain and roll everything back, but that's BS, and when countered on his flawed plan, he disappeared. So now the plan is to just wait and see if it happens and then fix it? How? Luck and good intentions? Your hand-waving and baseless accusations are equally meaningless to me. If you back up your statement and break Dash, we will fix it. That I promise you. |
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wow i guess americans will soon have a real reason to move to canada  Crypto is about to become a lot more interesting...and we have lots of room up here for you if it comes to that! |
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Hey, who told you you could surf the web? Get back to coding!  |
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I would prefer a fork of Dash without the instamine. dnet and others are out. These are fair(er) versions of dash. Looks for them. More will start to flow out soon I'm sure. Find the fairer clones and support them. Even dashers should realise a 0.001% stake in dash can buy you a 01% stake in the clones. Far better chance of big returns. Do they have a world-class dev team and a professional, devoted community? I'll stick with Dash. I know a winning team when I see one. World class dev team? They chose the insecurity of x11, a second rate anonymity method, and topped it off with an instamine and emissions reduction. This level of delusion should be reserved for religions and psych-wards, not technology. Aren't you the same idiot who tweeted that Evan could cure cancer if he was locked in a room for an hour? Ad hominems notwithstanding, yes, I'm the same idiot who tweeted that, and you're entitled to your opinion. I used to be like you, skeptical of Dash. But then I did more research, hung around a bit, and let me tell you, there is no more cohesive group in crypto. Everyone focuses on their strengths, and does what they can to improve the project. The points I made in my article are powerful ones, and they indicate that Dash will stand the test of time. You should do more research, then you'd realize that the flaws in dash are hardly opinion (but maybe you think Evan will magically cure them after he's done curing cancer). There are flaws in every crypto. Having the means and the talent to fix them is what separates Dash from the rest. You will start to see it more and more with increased marketcap leading to more capability to finance projects. The flaws will be fixed, but the strengths remain. Hope isn't a plan. How will the flaws be fixed? And don't sell me by the same genius who built them into the coin. Show me a plan, a white paper, anything but marketing spiel and vague promises. Amateur hour is over. I'm not hoping. I bought into the team, not the individual. The team behind Dash, including myself, is relentless and will not stop until we reach our goals. If a certain aspect of Dash threatens our survival, make no mistake, we will make every attempt and due diligence until it is fixed. There are no such flaws right now. X11 is insecure. Instanx is flawed as outlined by TPTB_need-war. Both of these flaws have been made apparent to Evan. He initially argued that one didn't exist (in the case of instantx) and stated that there was an easy fix if X11 was exploited, but when shown that his logic was flawed in both cases, he disappeared from the both conversations. So is there a plan to fix these flaws or are you maintaining they don't exist? Both of these statements will be dealt with if someone actually proves that they're a problem. If someone breaks x-11, we will fix it. If someone takes money from someone using InstantX, we will fix it. Until someone actually has the wherewithal to attack Dash and actually break it, those statements are just conjecture. Even if they were true, the attacker would be doing Dash a favour by making it stronger, and allowing our professional team the chance to improve the Internet Of Money. So please, go to your friend and tell him Tao told him to stand by his statements and break Dash. |
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I would prefer a fork of Dash without the instamine. dnet and others are out. These are fair(er) versions of dash. Looks for them. More will start to flow out soon I'm sure. Find the fairer clones and support them. Even dashers should realise a 0.001% stake in dash can buy you a 01% stake in the clones. Far better chance of big returns. Do they have a world-class dev team and a professional, devoted community? I'll stick with Dash. I know a winning team when I see one. World class dev team? They chose the insecurity of x11, a second rate anonymity method, and topped it off with an instamine and emissions reduction. This level of delusion should be reserved for religions and psych-wards, not technology. Aren't you the same idiot who tweeted that Evan could cure cancer if he was locked in a room for an hour? Ad hominems notwithstanding, yes, I'm the same idiot who tweeted that, and you're entitled to your opinion. I used to be like you, skeptical of Dash. But then I did more research, hung around a bit, and let me tell you, there is no more cohesive group in crypto. Everyone focuses on their strengths, and does what they can to improve the project. The points I made in my article are powerful ones, and they indicate that Dash will stand the test of time. You should do more research, then you'd realize that the flaws in dash are hardly opinion (but maybe you think Evan will magically cure them after he's done curing cancer). There are flaws in every crypto. Having the means and the talent to fix them is what separates Dash from the rest. You will start to see it more and more with increased marketcap leading to more capability to finance projects. The flaws will be fixed, but the strengths remain. Hope isn't a plan. How will the flaws be fixed? And don't sell me by the same genius who built them into the coin. Show me a plan, a white paper, anything but marketing spiel and vague promises. Amateur hour is over. I'm not hoping. I bought into the team, not the individual. The team behind Dash, including myself, is relentless and will not stop until we reach our goals. If a certain aspect of Dash threatens our survival, make no mistake, we will make every attempt and due diligence until it is fixed. There are no such flaws right now. |
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Great article Tao, really shows all the properties that cryptocurrencies need to have in order to properly function as "Digital Cash" (or Internet of Money as you put it)
and explains why Dash has a clear advantage here.
Not only is Dash trying to get all those properties working through its own blockchain and its 2nd tier network, its creating a self-supporting and self-expanding ecosystem as well.
Thanks, qwizzie, you're a valued member and contributor of Dash Nation as well. Any lurkers out there are welcome to join us and help create the Internet Of Money! #DashNation |
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Bored people do crazy things, right Tão?  It's going to be a troll fest... I want a troll fest. Bring them on. I'll just keep the message positive, and then that article will continue to be bumped, with a link to my Dash Nation website which is full of useful links to learn about Dash. Or, they could ignore me, and then the point will be taken as fact. A win/win. |
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I would prefer a fork of Dash without the instamine. dnet and others are out. These are fair(er) versions of dash. Looks for them. More will start to flow out soon I'm sure. Find the fairer clones and support them. Even dashers should realise a 0.001% stake in dash can buy you a 01% stake in the clones. Far better chance of big returns. Do they have a world-class dev team and a professional, devoted community? I'll stick with Dash. I know a winning team when I see one. World class dev team? They chose the insecurity of x11, a second rate anonymity method, and topped it off with an instamine and emissions reduction. This level of delusion should be reserved for religions and psych-wards, not technology. Aren't you the same idiot who tweeted that Evan could cure cancer if he was locked in a room for an hour? Ad hominems notwithstanding, yes, I'm the same idiot who tweeted that, and you're entitled to your opinion. I used to be like you, skeptical of Dash. But then I did more research, hung around a bit, and let me tell you, there is no more cohesive group in crypto. Everyone focuses on their strengths, and does what they can to improve the project. The points I made in my article are powerful ones, and they indicate that Dash will stand the test of time. You should do more research, then you'd realize that the flaws in dash are hardly opinion (but maybe you think Evan will magically cure them after he's done curing cancer). There are flaws in every crypto. Having the means and the talent to fix them is what separates Dash from the rest. You will start to see it more and more with increased marketcap leading to more capability to finance projects. The flaws will be fixed, but the strengths remain. |
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I would prefer a fork of Dash without the instamine. dnet and others are out. These are fair(er) versions of dash. Looks for them. More will start to flow out soon I'm sure. Find the fairer clones and support them. Even dashers should realise a 0.001% stake in dash can buy you a 01% stake in the clones. Far better chance of big returns. Do they have a world-class dev team and a professional, devoted community? I'll stick with Dash. I know a winning team when I see one. World class dev team? They chose the insecurity of x11, a second rate anonymity method, and topped it off with an instamine and emissions reduction. This level of delusion should be reserved for religions and psych-wards, not technology. Aren't you the same idiot who tweeted that Evan could cure cancer if he was locked in a room for an hour? Ad hominems notwithstanding, yes, I'm the same idiot who tweeted that, and you're entitled to your opinion. I used to be like you, skeptical of Dash. But then I did more research, hung around a bit, and let me tell you, there is no more cohesive group in crypto. Everyone focuses on their strengths, and does what they can to improve the project. The points I made in my article are powerful ones, and they indicate that Dash will stand the test of time. |
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I would prefer a fork of Dash without the instamine. dnet and others are out. These are fair(er) versions of dash. Looks for them. More will start to flow out soon I'm sure. Find the fairer clones and support them. Even dashers should realise a 0.001% stake in dash can buy you a 01% stake in the clones. Far better chance of big returns. Do they have a world-class dev team and a professional, devoted community? I'll stick with Dash. I know a winning team when I see one. |
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Thanks for the feedback. Love us or hate us though, we're coming. Keep an eye on the Tao Index as we progress...
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I was the author of (most of) that article, and I'm sure Evan won't mind me sharing his full comments, from which I extracted the relevant quotes: Me: "Could I get a quote from you for the article, something about how the dev team views the development of ASICs, etc.? If it is your point of view that ASICs, subject to the decentralization that you are working on, are a good thing for Dash, it would be a great contrast to Charlie Lee's comment two years ago that 'Well, we could change our algo but it'd be really hard to do, so why bother?'"
Evan: "When creating Dash originally, we wanted to create an atmosphere of innovation in the mining arena over the course of many years. This includes the first CPU miners, then GPU miners, FPGAs then even ASICs. We believe X11 did exactly what it had intended to do in this respect. As far as our opinion of ASICs overall, we believe there is no better possible technology for our network to be secured by. One thing that is not well understood in the space is the masternode network's quorum system relies heavily on the entropy generated from proof-of-work, this makes them an ideal source of security. The only concern with ASICs is due to the centralization risk that has occurred in Bitcoin and Litecoin.
Me: "There have been rumors that the dev team has an idea to combat the centralization risk you speak of. Do you care to elaborate?"
Evan: "The centralization risk comes from a problem with the alignment of incentives. These issues boil down to just a few problems in proof-of-work. Issues such as privately mining with bleeding-edge hardware before it's publicly accessible, mining at extremely low/no electrical cost and utilizing free labor. When combined these three issues become a powerful efficiency margin between you and your competitors, creating only a few places in the world that can compete on an even playing field. We have a plan to re-align these incentives under a new proof-of-work model which incorporates X11 and ASICs." So Evan has a plan that will eliminate the centralization risk while retaining the network security that ASICs provide. Before anybody asks, I have no idea what he's planning. OK, so when you think of these issues: 1. privately mining with bleeding-edge hardware before it's publicly accessible 2. mining at extremely low/no electrical cost and utilizing free labor. And the fact that we know this is the issue he has primarily been working on since coming back from the Satoshi Roundtable (a trip that inspired whatever it is he is doing) and the fact he said he's been finishing up ~ 5000 lines of code and is compiling... and he says he found a "neat way" to create a decentralized (business?) incubator... leads me to think that the budgeting system may incentivize businesses in the mining field and ASIC manufacturing field? But the following quote: "When combined these three issues become a powerful efficiency margin between you and your competitors, creating only a few places in the world that can compete on an even playing field. We have a plan to re-align these incentives under a new proof-of-work model which incorporates X11 and ASICs." leaves it so up in the air, I still can't see the whole picture. Dagnabbit, what in the world could this solution be? DASH powered Kick-starter. DASH funds held in escrow for start-up projects and then released by the blockchain on meeting fund raising milestones.. If you help in funding a project, you also get voting rights that go towards governance for decision making, change in project scope, allocation of funds and much, much more(tm) would work for crowd and private initiatives. e.g. might be just one angel investor that would hold all voting rights for governance or a crowd funded start-up with 50k people participating. All powered by DASH my two bobs  That sounds intriguing! |
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Evan's on another level... I swear you could lock that man in a room for a month and he would find the cure for cancer.
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 https://twitter.com/taoofsatoshi/status/717841574139273216All aspects of Dash are rolling now. Marketing, coding, infrastructure building, community-building, and discovery are being done simultaneously, propelling us forward in a self-reinforcing positive feedback loop!
Take the time to give yourselves a pat on the back, Dash Nation. We deserve it!
Tao. |
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