Any tips on what to do next? I'm still a bit fuzzy about the details. Can we blacklist those funds somehow?
Before any further steps to investigate the transactions, you have to prove that you owned the stolen funds. |
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I don't know about you, but I have coin with Usagi. As such I hope he or she improves said skills. If scammer accusations are what it takes, so be it - Usagi hasn't exactly pledged to improve his or her accounting practices.
To be fair, even if we prove nothing from this thread at least we have a place to discuss Usagi's securities. Discussion in the official threads is less-than-endorsed. If it even could be a scam, we should think and talk about it. It's called due diligence.
Bitcoin Forum > Economy > Trading Discussion > Scam Accusations ? It is up to the investors to investigate the ability of the people they employ to manage their funds: "Due diligence" is a term used for a number of concepts involving either an investigation of a business or person prior to signing a contract, or an act with a certain standard of care. It can be a legal obligation, but the term will more commonly apply to voluntary investigations.
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The term "due diligence" first came into common use as a result of the United States' Securities Act of 1933. This Act included a defence at Sec. 11, referred to as the "Due Diligence" defence, which could be used by broker-dealers when accused of inadequate disclosure to investors of material information with respect to the purchase of securities. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Due_Diligence |
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Are you assuming that we, the readers of this thread, are not using our reading comprehension with appropriate discernment to review your case? Usagi inability to handle financial mathematics is not evidence to support your defense in this thread. You are not even the original claimant of that thread. So you do not have any evidence against Usagi here, except your own misleading statements. |
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At this point, I fear this is more than just about lying and misleading, and Im beginning to fear this whole thing is a scam that goes a lot further than what I described here. I have many other red flags pointing in that direction, but I will give usagi a chance to explain first before I list them here. But IMO, the above alone would be enough to put him in jail in any regulated market.
You have only proved that Usagi needs to improve his skills with Microsoft Excel and Google Docs, as well the ability to perform mathematical calculations. |
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Usagi piggipacked his absurd demands on a buy back of BMF shares and now is accusing of a scam. He is mad at me because I and many others are not happy what is happening in BMF and in other portfolios under his management.
This seems like a valid concern. Could you elaborate on why you feel like usagi should have bought back your BMF shares above market value? Also, what value per share, exactly, do you think you deserved to be offered if these "absurd demands" weren't included? I actually never asked him to sell me the shares back. He made that offer to me, after I told him I am not happy with the current situation and he sold me the shares under the false representation of current situation in BMF. Usagi did not offer to sell any BMF shares back to EskimoBob, but to buy the shares back from EskimoBob. This is a false statement. If you read the log, I never really agreed to any of his rantings freely. He never mentioned, that his yelling of STFU, mixed with insults is some type of a contract. All I wanted now (because he made a unexpected offer) is get out of this crap called BMF and get my coin back. Get out of what? Is EskimoBob not already out? Usagi already bought back all EskimoBob BMF shares. EskimoBob once again is making a contradictory statement. EskimoBob agreed several times with Usagi terms to sell back the BMF shares: [21:53:54] <EskimoBob> yes, you can have that shit, you ling sack of shit
[21:56:17] <EskimoBob> you can have your shit. Good you remembered
[21:57:35] <EskimoBob> yes
[22:01:46] <EskimoBob> do I need to repeat that Yes?
[22:02:40] <EskimoBob> wht, 2 x Yes in not good enough?
[22:07:39] <EskimoBob> usagi: HOW MANY TIMES DO YOU NEED ME TO TELL YOU "YES"?
[22:07:42] <EskimoBob> YES When he started counting seconds, I asked, "do I need to repeat that Yes?". I had lost all the trust I in this scumbag and a liar, who has obvious memory problems (selective memory?). I wanted to sell my shares back to him and that is what my Yes stands for - Yes, I am transferring you the shares. Nothing less, nothing more.
I do not see contract here. I see just another rant of his, where he calls me with names and adds his "shut the fuck up..." or else.
I do not sell my silence, my support to some bullshit, I do not write my opinions about incompetent "portfolio managers" for coin and so on.
Usagi did not ask EskimoBob to support his business. Usagi explicitly required EskimoBob to remain neutral about his business. At no moment was EskimoBob required to write anything about Usagi's business. This is a completely redundant statement. What are people's opinions of this specific statement? I want to hear what people think, regardless of your relation to the case. Yes, even you guys that are silently lurking in this thread.
Maged, you made two important questions to EskimoBob and he was not able to answer either. Instead of EskimoBob providing a coherent answer explaining how much the shares should worth if the "absurd demands" were not included, EskimoBob decided to play the victim and write off misleading statements. EskimoBob sold back to Usagi the shares above the market price under certain conditions and now EskimoBob is afraid to return the difference. Thus, EskimoBob is trying to evade your judgement since you have already indicated that EskimoBob was overpaid by Usagi. |
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Yes, it helps, please ask him to post a good evidence that he owns the address. Before I put him into the trouble (I'm the one who made a mistake!) of signing a message with his address to prove the ownership I would like to know how this will make it possible to find the owner of that 1Nbjpo1tkeayJ28me2kNcZ3ZoqBQHJqoAx address. As you said, if this address would be yours, you would have sent those BTC back because you were "not entitled to receive 5 BTC from any source". If if turns out this address really belongs to bit-pay, I would like to see them to do the same thing. But I'm not sure if it's bit-pay. And I don't see how proofing ownership of the *source* address will help in this case. It's okay if those BTC get sent back to the source address. I will then ask the user to send those 5 BTC again, to address which I actually own. All right, that is fair enough. You do not have to really prove that for me, you can reserve the evidence for the potential new owner of your 5 BTC. |
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4.  5.  The 1Nbjpo1tkeayJ28me2kNcZ3ZoqBQHJqoAx address was used to receive funds from securities managed by the moderator PsychoticBoy (4): https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=852.msg1080485#msg1080485Normaal kreeg ik automatisch mijn ""centjes"" op mijn account bijgeschreven.
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7e7dc3df6acce036d8b7918e4b7cf2744f9e273ae426cc0161aa147cd6308ba5 2012-08-05 08:03:02
19yCdzFeWQvokkAQyAMGoPRpVm7aAQAipG
1GT6sKWGWPeKrxehyYsQpMX7gFCWE3wkCo $ 0.34
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Hoi Wasta, Je account op Bitminter zal atijd 0 blijven omdat je threshold op 0.001 staat. Als bitminter een block vindt kom jij boven die threshold van 0.001 omdat jij met genoeg Mh/s mined om 0.03 per block te krijgen, dat wordt dan gelijk naar 1GT6sKWGWPeKrxehyYsQpMX7gFCWE3wkCo overgemaakt. Groeten The user piuk also mentioned in an example an address (5) which sent funds to 1Nbjpo1tkeayJ28me2kNcZ3ZoqBQHJqoAx address: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=40264.msg862239#msg862239 |
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Your information turns the case even more difficult. You were supposed to receive the 5 BTC, but you confused the receiving address. That means the 5 BTC was owned by another user and not by you. In this case, how can you prove that? What evidence you have that the another owner should send the 5 BTC to you? If it helps anything, I could ask the other user to post here. This was part of a deal, with the 5 BTC being part of the payment. Yes, it helps, please ask him to post a good evidence that he owns the address. So the address 1JYC3GbbhHiYKkZkPV2PhsdYPPDAUjjomS is owned by you? Do you receive funds from Deepbit mining pool?
Yes it is and yes I did. Excuse me, but was has my original question (who owns this adr.?) to do with which pools I mine on? Is 1Nbjpo1tkeayJ28me2kNcZ3ZoqBQHJqoAx owned by you? It was a question just to proof your claim. No, I do not own the 1Nbjpo1tkeayJ28me2kNcZ3ZoqBQHJqoAx address, and if I did, you would have your 5 BTC back since I am not entitled to receive 5 BTC from any source. 1.  2.  3.  http://blockchain.info/taint/1Nbjpo1tkeayJ28me2kNcZ3ZoqBQHJqoAxhttp://blockchain.info/taint/1Nbjpo1tkeayJ28me2kNcZ3ZoqBQHJqoAx?reversed=trueThe address which received the funds from the another user, 1Nbjpo1tkeayJ28me2kNcZ3ZoqBQHJqoAx, is probably managed by a user which also obtain funds from the Deepbit mining pool (1). This user have already sent funds to Butterfly Labs or Bit-Pay (2): https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=90972.msg1001729#msg1001729https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=90972.msg1001850#msg1001850The address was also used to send funds to an address listed in the znort987's Bitcoin 500 richest addresses, updated often thread (3): https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=92423.msg1018953#msg101895317517.99900000 fe0c68e8a74f730aa33487958bfc923f9e6f66b5 1QAHVyRzkmD4j1pU5W89htZ3c6D6E7iWDs Thu Sep 6 04:05:37 2012 |
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Your information turns the case even more difficult. You were supposed to receive the 5 BTC, but you confused the receiving address. That means the 5 BTC was owned by another user and not by you. In this case, how can you prove that? What evidence you have that the another owner should send the 5 BTC to you? So the address 1JYC3GbbhHiYKkZkPV2PhsdYPPDAUjjomS is owned by you? Do you receive funds from Deepbit mining pool? |
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I got distracted by other projects and have since not been able to devote time or care into litecoins or alt currencies. He didn't help me enough to warrant a tip. There was no concrete amount of money for amount of work discussed. He was not hired or contracted.
Assuming the message post by Bitsky is genuine, you did not offered him a tip. You had had an agreement with him where you stated that he would be rewarded 1 BTC if he provided a script to perform a specific action: I am unsure how to setup litecoin wallets automatically. I have full access to the server, was just hoping that there is a good online resource for this, or someone had whatever php snippet it would take to create a new litecoin address. If you can supply a script and any files needed to do this, I'll reward you with a bitcoin or equivalent worth in litecoins. In this case, if Bitsky really sent you the material, he is entitled to receive the 1 BTC you promised. |
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a big red scammer tag for moparguy would be appreciated.
Theymos, do you copy? Is anyone in charge? I guess there are various ones in charge... Just be patient, the administrators and moderators of this community are overloaded with unusual requirements to judge cases. It is a job which demands a great deal of reading comprehension. |
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So I sat down, installed Litecoin in a VM along with PHP and JSON-RPC. A few hours later, I sent you the litecoin.conf, the PHP snippet to create new addresses along with an explanation on how to use it.
If you later lost interest then that's not really my problem to be honest. You received what you had asked for. How did you sent the material to him? |
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Does anybody know?
I had some BTC sent to this address by accident.
Edit: Could be bit-pay?!
Please, show up your evidence. Information is necessary to elaborate your case. How many Bitcoins did you sent to 1Nbjpo1tkeayJ28me2kNcZ3ZoqBQHJqoAx address? Which is the transaction ID? http://blockchain.info/address/1Nbjpo1tkeayJ28me2kNcZ3ZoqBQHJqoAx |
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Do you have any reference for this chart?
If you are referring to my post, the first chart was made in the Microsoft Excel using the data published. If you are referring to the OP's screenshot, it come from the http://www.bitcoinmonitor.com/ Internet page. |
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Each one of these transactions is 44000 bitcoins. Went for more than 20 minutes. Any speculation on this?  Good shot! Well, some possible explanations for the serial transactions: 1. Automated laundry system shuffling the funds in the network. 2. Distribution of funds to arbitrage in various exchange platforms. 3. Silk Road or Mt.Gox enterprise readjusting the Bitcoin wallet storage. 4. Satoshi playing around with us.  This is part of the high volume of outputs which I documented last night: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=82626.msg1211046#msg1211046 |
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I sent BTC to SR. One hop to an address provably controlled (via input-combining) by 1Dky. End of story.
I too can provide proof of a 1 hop SR Deposit Address -> 1DkyB So, where is the evidence to back up your claims? |
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Quando os anfitrioes forem exclusivamente brasileiros, conte com meu apoio. Infelizmente o Bitinstant nao representa os interesses nacionais dos investidores brasileiros em valores digitais, desta forma o "meet up" nao merece a devida atencao que necessita, mesmo porque deveria se chamar "congresso" ou "encontro", em respeito a lingua nacional. Na proxima vez, aconse-lhe os anfitrioes a convidarem brasileiros pioneiros na rede Bitcoin para prestigiar o evento, incluindo membros empreendores ja presentes aqui no Bitcointalk forum, como o Leandro ou o Andre Horta, dois cidadoes brasileiros intimamente envolvidos com negocios em Bitcoins.
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PRIZE: 1BTC TICKETS: 10 TICKET COST: 0.105 BTC MY TOTAL COMMISION: 0.105 x 10 = 1.05 - 1.00 = 0.05 BTC or only 4.8% Prize determination:The price will go to the person purchasing the ticket # corresponding to the last # of the total number of shares it took to solve a block on OzCoin.net:http://ozcoin.net/content/block-history-bitcoinAfter all tickets are sold, the next day the first block solved will be the block to decide via the number of shares it took to solve. Tickets are numbered 0-9 TO BUY:
PM Me, I'll send you a unique address for your transactionThen PM me Transaction ID and return address so I can refund if there's any problems If any problems occur I will refund all tickets to purchases with full value. Tickets: 0: Luceo 1: Luceo 2: ZodiacDragon84 3: ZodiacDragon84 4: augustocroppo 5: augustocroppo 6: augustocroppo 7: kayrice 8: kayrice 9: kayrice you guys are maker it harder than it needs to be. First post had all info ALL TICKETS SOLDResult will be determined by september 1st according to the first block solved by OzCoin.net pool as evident on here: http://ozcoin.net/content/block-history-bitcoinNot sure what their time zone is but don't matter, as it is still not 9-1-12 I will get up between 9-11AM PST to give reward Of course anyone can figure out the winner by tomorrow if they're up first and if the winner is up just PM me your reward address and/or post here Then post here when you receive to prove I'm a legitimate raffle runner |
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