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1141  Other / Politics & Society / Re: The Fascists That Surround You - Part 1 on: December 05, 2012, 05:39:28 PM
Nor will I, Asshole.

Of course you will not. You are not going to admit that you made a mistake or that you were doing false allegations. Your arrogance is staggering. After all, you still think that you had earned respect by subverting definitions and user names...

Does it make you feel like a big man to attack a defenseless child who is not even part of this conversation? Seriously, Fuck you. I'm done with you for good.

I am only offering my respect for you.
1142  Other / Politics & Society / Re: The Fascists That Surround You - Part 1 on: December 05, 2012, 05:24:12 PM
I have already:
I care for textual definitions. You are producing a false relation between two different definitions.

The quote do not show any claim that I said you were equaling fascism to sociopathy. That is the post I used to answer why I was participating in this thread.

Where is the post where I suggested that you were equaling fascism to sociopathy?

Respect is earned. You have not. In fact, you have earned disrespect. You'll get no apologies from me, AugustoCrappo.

Respect is also offered. You are not offering any respect.
1143  Other / Politics & Society / Re: The Fascists That Surround You - Part 1 on: December 05, 2012, 04:47:49 PM
You're kidding, right?

I am not.

I am asking you to prove that your allegation of straw man is right, that I limited your original argument to:

Fascism = Sociopaths

All you have to do is show the quote where I suggested that. If you cannot show the quote, you should admit that I did not resort to a straw man argument.

Yes there is: your claim that what I am saying is that fascism = sociopaths. since that's clearly false, and I never claimed that, That is a straw man, that you set up so you could knock down with definitions. Unless you are just a fucking moron, and can't understand an analogy. So which is it, Straw man, or moron?

Straw man.
Which you then attempted to defeat, in typical AugustoCrappo style, with dictionary definitions.

You also should offer your apologies for the lack of respect you show. My name is very important to me and I dislike people which try to subvert my name to offend me.
1144  Other / Politics & Society / Re: The Fascists That Surround You on: December 05, 2012, 02:50:39 PM
The brain researcher mentioned at the start of part 3 is featured in this episode of Through the Wormhole:

I am still waiting you to prove that I made a straw man. Where is the post where I said you were equaling fascists with sociopath?

1145  Economy / Scam Accusations / Re: SCAMMER: caradenada on: December 05, 2012, 02:38:27 PM
In this case, you did not commit any fraud :-) It's your right as a credit card user to ask for a chargeback.

It may have worked this way even in cointell case.

It is fraud.  I got the merchandise, and a chargeback was made.  I'm now going to have to pay back the money that caradenada stole.


Where is the evidence I ask you hours ago to prove the chargeback?

If you accuse an user, you need to provide evidence to substantiate your claim.

The visa card numbers caradenada gave me began with 406742, 418044, 498401, and 498431.  Not all of the cards worked, and when I complained he gave me different ones.  Can someone with a legitimate entropay account confirm whether or not these are actual entropay card numbers?

No one can confirm this. It is just few number you post here. Without the full numbers and the formula which verify the numbers, no one can confirm anything at all.

Moreover, if you have the card numbers then why are you complaining? The chargeback will return the money for the virtual card:

https://www.entropay.com/entropay-virtual-visa-features-and-benefits

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Receive money.
Refunds or rewards can be paid back to your Virtual Visa

So, could you provide a screenshot or a message confirming the chargeback and disclose where did you made the purchase?
1146  Other / Politics & Society / Re: national minimum wage LAWS. good or bad? on: December 05, 2012, 05:46:56 AM
Myrkul is the last person on Earth who should be posting supply demand curves. He has demonstrated a total lack of understanding of their context and how to apply them. I don't think he ever advanced beyond Econ 101 theory. He doesn't understand how to apply human psychology to their interpretation.

At least Myrkul is good applying (bad) analogies...



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1147  Economy / Scam Accusations / Re: SCAMMER: caradenada on: December 05, 2012, 04:50:10 AM
The payments went to 1LkHDNFqv1DR1yUmbMDncjdwciG3rqfM5k and 1JVn66Sq4EHSSE1NhjdD9G7v9PrB26Dz1a

He seems to have re-used the addresses, and received money from many different people.

https://blockchain.info/address/1LkHDNFqv1DR1yUmbMDncjdwciG3rqfM5k
https://blockchain.info/address/1JVn66Sq4EHSSE1NhjdD9G7v9PrB26Dz1a

That's a lot of money.  I don't understand how he got away with this for so long.

The first address did not receive any BTC on 09 October 2012.

The second address only started to receive BTC on 10 November 2012.

What are the transactions ID of the BTC sent to him?
1148  Economy / Scam Accusations / Re: SCAMMER: caradenada on: December 05, 2012, 04:00:28 AM
Apparently he defrauded Internet users before:

http://www.cashvouchers.net/en/market/product/529.html

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Client feedback
About: 25.00 UKASH EUR German GERMAN UKASH VOUCHER 633718025
2011-10-30 10:04:35 This voucher not real! Fraud.

prelihector. replied:
2011-10-30 13:28:30 The voucher is valid, i bought from other seller here in the wbe, but is a german voucher, and theres many sites where you cant use that voucher, thats why im reselling it, and thats why the low price too. But voucher is valid and never been used. If you want an euro or gbp voucher, i have in stock too, but at a higher price.

http://www.cashvouchers.net/ru/market/product/528.html#fb525791

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Customer    replied:
2011-11-01 11:19:49 Dear Cashvouchers,
I tried to help the seller man and use the voucher but more than 15 web sites didnt accept this voucher because the voucher " Not valid voucher or voucher used" Also I tried in the web site www.ukash.com to convert the voucher to another currency but the convert failed the reason " Voucher not valid or voucher used" Also I tried to split the voucher to small amount but split transaction failed the reason "Voucher not valid or voucher used" Because of this Cashvouchers, please send me my money back and put the seller in the black list seller and not trusted seller list and please protect your customers from this kind of sellers.
Kind Regards
1149  Economy / Scam Accusations / Re: SCAMMER: caradenada on: December 05, 2012, 03:31:04 AM
On October 9, I bought a virtual credit card (VCC) from Cara de Nada (see https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=116960) and used it to purchase something online.  On November 16, the merchant complained of a chargeback.

I contacted caradenada and asked him to withdraw the chargeback.  He repeatedly denied making the chargeback.  The chargeback was not resolved.

On December 4, I received another chargeback notice for a different purchase.

It is now apparent that caradenada is a scammer, and has no intention of repaying the people he stole from.


Disclose the address you used to transfer him the 150 BTC and the messages confirming the chargeback. With this evidence he will be quickly tagged.
1150  Other / Politics & Society / Re: What is the opposite of "Fuck you, got mine?" on: December 05, 2012, 12:41:59 AM
Because when you cut down a few trees, immediately replace them with new saplings, and don't affect the overall surrounding forest or the forest as a whole, it still conserves the local nature, biodiversity, or what have you. In the same way that recycling is a form of conservation.

The company which you used as example does not cut just few trees. It is necessary a great quantity of trees to produce paper and pulp. You are also not aware that certain trees needs more than a century to grown and replace the cut tree. Moreover, you presume that when a tree is cut the biodiversity will not be affected while the new tree develops.

http://www.junglephotos.com/amazon/amplants/trees/trees.shtml

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Trees are the basis of the forest as we experience it. Tall columns of gray and brown, some covered in white patches of lichen, surround us as we stroll along a trail. Innumerable hues of green light filter through their foliage. From their leafy crowns come the calls of various birds that forage among the rich bounty of freely provided fruit. Broad branches, in of themselves big enough to be a respectably sized tree, spread out from the trunk, shading the canopy below. On these boughs hundreds of feet above the ground live communities of abundant epiphytes—forests within a forest. These in turn provide microhabitats for animals that spend their entire lives in the canopy—birds, lizards, tree frogs, insects, and countless unknown smaller animals.

http://www.globalchange.umich.edu/globalchange2/current/lectures/deforest/deforest.html

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Forests harbor tremendous biological diversity, and have the potential to provide us with new crop varieties and medicines. A good example of medicinal use of tropical rain forest plants is the success of the drugs vincristine and vinblastine, developed over the past 20 years from a wild periwinkle found in the forests of Madagasgar. These drugs dramatically improved the effectiveness of treatments for leukemia and other forms of cancer, Since fewer than 1% of tropical plants have been screened for possible use to medical science, ongoing deforestation results in the permanent loss to science of other species before their value can be recognized.  The winged bean is a new food crop whose value has only recently has been recognized.

In the same way that recycling is a form of conservation.

No, recycling is not a form of conservation. The biodiversity cannot be "recycled".
1151  Other / Politics & Society / Re: What is the opposite of "Fuck you, got mine?" on: December 04, 2012, 08:28:49 PM
I am sorry for you folks, but the Brazilian state and the Brazilian people are not interested to let the private initiative take care of the rainforest's biodiversity.

In other words, "fuck you, got mine ours":

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2008/jun/12/brazil.climatechange

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Last week President Lula said that said that foreigners need to "understand that the Amazon has an owner, and that is the Brazilian people". On Monday one of Brazil's main newspapers reported that the police and intelligence services were investigating Eliasch for his claim about buying the forest and Carlos Minc, Brazil's new environment minister, said he was shocked by the report. He announced that one of his first acts in his new post would be to open an inquiry into the matter and it has also been raised within the ministry for external affairs.

(...)

Cool Earth's only real offence has probably been a marketing campaign, which might appeal to potential donors but is grossly insensitive towards the feelings of its intended beneficiaries – a bit like the "sponsor a black baby" adverts that some aid charities used to run. The reality is that the organisation could not buy up the Amazon, even if it wanted to, since much of it is already in public hands. However, as Greenpeace Brazil has pointed out, Cool Earth could actually exacerbate the problem caused by the profusion of false property titles which means that it might end up funding the grilleiros (land-grabbers) and buying lands that are already protected by law.
1152  Other / Politics & Society / Re: The Fascists That Surround You - Part 1 on: December 04, 2012, 07:25:04 PM
The Dunning-Kruger experiments (mentioned in the first video) show that people who are bad at something not only grossly overestimate their own abilities but also miss the meta-cognitive skills to recognize their mistakes and fail to recognize competence in their peers.

While the plants in the garden worship the roses, they fail to recognize the wisdom of the trees. If they did, the garden could blossom into a forest, creating a complex ecosystem where many more species could develop and thrive.

I guess the roses are not the real problem. The plants are.

Well said.

Yes, well done, the analogy became more stupid than before!

Plants do not worship roses and gardens are not made to become forests.
1153  Other / Politics & Society / Re: How Libertarianism was created by big business lobbyists on: December 04, 2012, 03:31:40 PM
It's like the One Ring: no matter your intentions, it is a thing of evil, and you'll most likely end up doing more harm than good. Monopolies are never beneficial to those they serve. Remove the monopoly. It's not rocket science.

There's only one law: No person has the right to initiate the use of force, threat of force, or fraud upon another person or their property.

One Ring to rule them all, One Ring to find them,
One Ring to bring them all and in the darkness bind them
1154  Other / Politics & Society / Re: What is the opposite of "Fuck you, got mine?" on: December 04, 2012, 02:37:15 AM
I know you are trying to pin a value on the ecosystem, or something like that, but that's also not something that is quantifiable. It's waaaaay tooooo vaaaaague.

It is not.

You should think about the human species with a historical perspective. More than 2000 thousands years ago, Brazilian lands were already populated by native tribes. They recognized wealth in the biodiversity of the environment where they lived. E.g. if a native male were able to fish a great quantity of fish, he would be a wealth man. If a tribe could obtain a great quantity of manioc, they would be a wealth tribe. The tribes lived for many years attacking each other regarding the quantity of wealth held by each. Of course this is not the only reason for the attacks. This serves to illustrate that wealth was recognized in the biodiversity before the human specie develop complex economic models.

Another interesting example is the Brazilian Atlantic forest, which was almost destroyed by the economic progress and urbanization. What was left is protected by the state. If the state did not interfered, this peculiar kind of forest which is only located in Brazilian east coast would not exist anymore. All the potential wealth which could be obtained from that biodiversity would vanish forever. This would be catastrophic for the Brazilian ecosystem. The Atlantic forest holds a rich diversity of fauna and flora which cannot be reproduced anywhere in the world.

I recommend this article if you want to learn more about the Atlantic forest:

http://whc.unesco.org/en/list/893

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The 25 Atlantic Forest South-East Reserves contain some of the best and most extensive examples of remaining Atlantic forest in Brazil displaying the biological wealth and evolutionary history of the one of the world's richest and most endangered habitats. From mountains covered by dense forests, down to wetlands, coastal islands with isolated mountains and dunes, the area comprises a rich natural environment of great scenic beauty.

Partially isolated since the Ice Age, the Atlantic forests have evolved into a complex ecosystem with exceptionally high endemism (70% of the tree species, 85% of the primates and 39% of the mammals) and are considered to be among the world's richest forests for tree species.
1155  Other / Politics & Society / Re: NBC's Bob Costas Goes On Gun Control Rant About NFL Player's Murder-Suicide on: December 04, 2012, 01:58:09 AM
Show me the file that he did 50 states side by side. I don't think you ever opened the files due to multiple obvious reasons.

/sigh.

I guess I shouldn't expect intellectual honesty from someone with a screen name based on a word for lying. Welcome to my ignore list, asshat.

No one can provide the data that fits your requirements. Not me, not Lott. I was asking for a name of the file and clearly you cant do that. I did check all files, Lott haven't provided such data because he can't. He picked the data how he wanted to pick.

And now that you resorted to personal attacks, what would I expect from a person with your screen name?

Mendacium, welcome to the Bitcointalk forum.

Myrkul is a deceiver and dishonest user. He is unable to held reasonable debates without to resort to logical fallacies, deceitful premises and willful ignorance. When a user like you ask for data to substantiate the discussion, he proceeds to post his delusional assumptions without to provide the required evidence.

Actually, I am not welcome to do so.

"When downloading the data from here you promise not to give this data to others. If they want to obtain the data, they may simply come to this web site and download it for themselves."
http://www.johnlott.org/cgi-bin/signup.cgi

Feel free.

Do not trust in the above statement. He is explicit ignoring your request and using a fake pretext to not admit that you are right. Myrkul do not care to copy owned data:

You can't own data, and copying isn't stealing.
Yes, I can own data.
No, you can't. Data isn't property.
1156  Other / Off-topic / Re: Strange unban request on: December 03, 2012, 09:02:10 PM
I just received this unban request. Looks like Bitcoin is finally making inroads into the valuable Time Cube community!

Harvey D Norris is a 57 years old man living in Ohio, USA. He has been doing experiments before 1998. I am certain that he is only interested to share his knowledge with the forum users. Do not confuse long posts with spam. He can use the off-topic section to post his findings. He could also be a valuable source of information for miners interested to know more about electricity. Moreover, the Bitcointalk forum should never stop an old man to learn from young ideas (Bitcoin).

Let him come in.

That is how he discovered this forum:

http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/teslafy/message/3307

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I assume io9.com is the internet magazine called "Daily Explainer" that publicises far fetched stuff about space and nasa. In order to reply to their entry I found that I had to become a member of the bitcoin forum. Now here is what gets me, heres where I am listed as teslafy: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=mlist;sort=realName;start=62370

My question is what kind of forum is so important that it has 70,877 members! Yes it took me awhile to find my location!

HDN

http://profile.yahoo.com/Q6FALK4KQGF66JPC72KEEP6OOU/

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Harvey D Norris
Streetsboro, Ohio
 
Basic Information:
GENDERMale

http://www.lookupanyone.com/namelistings/harvey-norris.html

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1157  Economy / Scam Accusations / Re: The Case against Bitcoin OZ on: December 02, 2012, 11:17:02 PM
Its quite obvious there is some financial or other motivation going on and Augusto is a shill of some sort.

There is not. You have been exposed. You are a liar. You are looking for excuses to disguise your actions.

Pretending to know more about BitcoinGlobal than you actually do. Thats the definition of pretentious  Smiley

I do not pretended to know what you are suggesting. I caught you lying:

Fuck off weirdo.

What...

Are you lying? Usagi did not admitted what you alleged:

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<usagi> hai, stopped in to get a payment from someone and saw you here
<usagi> Mind if I ask you why you are on the warpath against me?
<usagi> I used to think we were business compatriots, you know, I supported your business and it seemed cool till you started attacking me -- Did I do something to you?
<usagi> I mean you said stuff like if I can't provide a proper accounting I/cpa must be insolvent. But it seems like your accusation is a little hollow. When you were voting on whether or not to give nefario a laptop bitcoin global's accounting was pretty shoddy
<usagi> You (you) gave him carte blanche to buy a laptop and GLBSE would pay for 50% of it
<usagi> Did you ever follow up on that? Did you get a reciept?
<usagi> I have access to the financial documents of bitcoin global from that time.
<usagi> I don't see anything about a laptop.
<usagi> You get what I am saying? I don't understand why you would say that about me when it's really the kind of thing you yourself did
<usagi> There are a lot of other examples
<usagi> I'm puzzled
<usagi> Why are you doing this to me?
<usagi> I also noticed the video you put up on your youtube channel.
<usagi> You know, the one with coinabul.com as contact info?
<usagi> Not sure what you are trying to show with that. Lol, are you trying to get fired?
<usagi> What's gotten into you man
<usagi> Well look I gotta go
<usagi> I need to talk to you about this before I go public with it
<usagi> Send me a pm about it.
<usagi> Cuz I totally don't get why you are trolling me on the forums. Bye.
* usagi has quit ()
* tsukino has quit ()

Usagi contacted me on irc and said they have access to all the bitcoinglobal meeting logs.

Moreover, you did not participate in that chat? Where is your nickname? Where is the details between the parenthesis when Usagi quit?

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1158  Other / Politics & Society / Re: The Fascists That Surround You on: December 02, 2012, 10:54:15 PM


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1159  Other / Politics & Society / Re: The Fascists That Surround You on: December 02, 2012, 10:17:57 PM
You quoted a dictionary. Good for you. That doesn't argue against the fact that you will find Sociopaths in governments, and that fascist governments provide a very tempting target for sociopaths to seek, since it offers them quite a bit of control over others, which is exactly what they like.

There is no target, there is no tempting. Sociopaths are individuals afflicted by a psychological disorder, which does affect them and the people around them. Sociopaths are not the occasional liars. Politicians are the occasional liars.

Your assertion that sociopaths couldn't get elected because they can't stop lying is particularly laughable. Plug this into Google: "How do you know when a politician is lying?"

That is the first entry...

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How can you tell when a politician is lying?
Jokes and Riddles Questions
Answers.com > Wiki Answers > Categories > Humor & Amusement > Jokes and Riddles

Best Answer
The standard answer to the joke is, "His lips are moving."

The deal seems to be that getting elected is a different job than actually being in the position. Circumstances are more real and have contraints that are not necessarily visible from outside the office.

(facebook) family feud answers:

1 eyes
2 sweating
3 stutters
4 smile
5 lips are moving (haha!)

...and that the second:

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Politicians lie because the public wants to be lied to

The reasons politicians lie is because the public doesn't want to hear the truth. People want to hear what they want to hear. When two candidates are running and one of the tells the truth and the other says what the public wants to hear, the one who says what the public wants to hear wins the election. Thus, and there are exceptions to this, if you want to win an election, you better start lying, because the guy who's telling you the truth doesn't have a chance.

Politicians indeed lie to satisfy the public and obtain an advantage over their opponents.

That is occasional lying, not pathological lying:

http://goaskalice.columbia.edu/liar-liar-pants-fire-am-i-pathological-liar

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Liar, liar, pants on fire: Am I a pathological liar? | related questions
Originally Published: August 22, 2003 - Last Updated / Reviewed On: May 8, 2009

Dear Reader,

Truth be told, little research has been done on pathological lying. Though there's no exact medical definition, pathological lying is characterized by the following:

Lies are unplanned and impulsive.
Behavior is repeated over a long period of time.
Lies don't seem to exist for any external reason.
Behavior may not always be a conscious act.
Lies are admitted, changed, and/or adapted if a false story is challenged.

Pathological lying is one of the symptoms of sociopathy:

http://www.nlm.nih.gov/medlineplus/ency/article/000921.htm

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Causes
The causes of antisocial personality disorder are unknown. Genetic factors and child abuse are believed to contribute to the development of this condition. People with an antisocial or alcoholic parent are at increased risk. Far more men than women are affected. The condition is common in people who are in prison.

Fire-setting and cruelty to animals during childhood are linked to the development of antisocial personality.

Symptoms
A person with antisocial personality disorder may:

Be able to act witty and charming
Be good at flattery and manipulating other people's emotions
Break the law repeatedly
Disregard the safety of self and others
Have problems with substance abuse
Lie, steal, and fight often
Not show guilt or remorse
Often be angry or arrogant

Alternative Names
Sociopathic personality; Sociopathy; Personality disorder - antisocial

Outlook (Prognosis)
Symptoms tend to peak during the late teenage years and early 20s. They sometimes improve on their own by a person's 40s.

Possible Complications
Complications can include imprisonment, drug abuse, violence, and suicide.

Sociopathy is a personality disorder. The actions of a sociopath would not allow them to become politicians. Sociopaths are not able to develop interpersonal relationships which is an essential characteristic of  politicians. Even if politicians lie to the public, they will have to tell the truth to someone, either in the office, at home or in a private meeting. Alliances, diplomacy, agreements, requirements, etc., all this requires a certain dose of truth. Sociopaths cannot provide this necessary dose of truth.

If a politician is correctly diagnosed as a sociopath, that does not imply that all politicians are sociopaths neither that all sociopaths aspire to become politicians. There is not an exclusive relationship.

Where, exactly, did I ask the moderators to delete your threads?

At no moment did  you ask the moderators to delete threads. That is called moderation, not censorship. I did not suggest that. You started a thread in the forum section asking: 'Can we stop this sort of idiocy?'

Who is 'we'? Were you not expecting the moderators to read your humble appeal?

It's not free speech, it's trolling. And isn't Meta supposed to be about the forum, and not the forum members?

Good try.

I did explain it. Fascism attracts sociopaths. Thus, you will find sociopaths in fascistic power structures.

You did not... You did not even explain in 'great details' the small detail:

Of course they do. But where roses exist inside a garden, they are the centerpiece (leadership, in our analogy), or often the entire theme of the garden (the entire power structure, in our example). You can have a garden without roses,  but the temptation to add a rosebush is constant (Fascistic governments attract sociopaths), and once you have one rosebush, you're well on your way to having a rose garden (sociopaths tend to take over any fascistic power structure they are introduced to).

This begs the question: who is the subject under the 'temptation' to add political leaders sociopaths to the political structure? Where does this 'temptation' come from?
1160  Other / Politics & Society / Re: The Fascists That Surround You on: December 02, 2012, 07:31:03 PM
Ooooh, that's a threat. I'm scared, now. Roll Eyes Whatever will I do if you make a thread about me?

Willful ignorance, huh? Like refusing to watch a video before commenting on it's content?

Oh, my initial questions do not have anything to do with the video content, but the implication made by the original poster:

These two videos discuss the prevalence of sociopaths in society, how they disguise themselves, and the lengths they'll go to in order to avoid detection.

The Fascists That Surround You - Part 1
The Fascists That Surround You - Part 2: Sociopaths

What fascism have anything to do with sociopaths?

I required an explanation from an user and your intervened with a stupid analogy which did not explained the relationship of fascism and sociopathy. When I deconstructed your analogy, you proceeded to stir up the discussion with an allegation of logical fallacy. That means the debate is not about the video content, but about a relationship of fascism and sociopathy which you failed to explain.
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