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1541  Local / Português (Portuguese) / Re: Maior Grupo de Investimento de Bitcoins fechou as portas hoje... on: August 18, 2012, 01:58:47 AM
Certeza! E isso é muito bom!

Antes, tinha muito dinheiro (Bitcoins) nas mãos do tal do "Pirate" mas, agora, tem muito mais Bitcoins espalhados pelo mundo inteiro!!!


O tal do Pirate ainda nao devolveu os Bitcoins aos creditores, entao temos que esperar e observar como ele vai devolver a imensa quantidade de Bitcoins que ele captou.
1542  Economy / Speculation / Re: [Daily Speculation Poll] :: What now? on: August 18, 2012, 01:21:19 AM
And therefore, toasters are a purple Tuesday.

Exactly what is your point? Re-read what I'm trying to tell you and you'll see what I'm trying to say.

A) The real support, people using BTC as a medium of exchange, do not care about the exchange price & buy at market.
B) Speculators do, but there aren't enough BTC on offer to support $10 million in purchases without causing an insane bubble.
C) Owing to that, if some want to buy back they will do it slowly, further supporting a solid rally, which we will have anyway.
D) If they don't buy back, we have seen the end of the BS&T impact on BTC as no more BTC will be dumped for now but trade goes on.

Need me to spell it out further for you? Huh

You are babbling... What you wrote is not based on factual data.
1543  Economy / Speculation / Re: [Daily Speculation Poll] :: What now? on: August 18, 2012, 12:06:26 AM
Unless he does pay the big investors back in USD, and they decide to buy back into BTC with it. Even then there aren't enough BTC to go around for that much cash without the price hitting the hundreds.

I thought you think that "ergo the buyer doesn't care about the exchange rate"...

 Cool



Buyers wanting to trade with it don't care. Speculators do. Keep missing that point. Cool

No, you missed your own point since you did not cited "speculators" before.

Since you admit above that "they", the "speculators", want "to buy back", you confirm that buyers do care about the price, as I had already explained before.
1544  Economy / Speculation / Re: [Daily Speculation Poll] :: What now? on: August 17, 2012, 11:56:22 PM
Unless he does pay the big investors back in USD, and they decide to buy back into BTC with it. Even then there aren't enough BTC to go around for that much cash without the price hitting the hundreds.

I thought you think that "ergo the buyer doesn't care about the exchange rate"...

 Cool

1545  Economy / Speculation / Re: [Daily Speculation Poll] :: What now? on: August 17, 2012, 11:53:16 PM
If nothing else, it was the buy-in opportunity that everyone's been waiting for. Yesterday was insane. The rally was otherwise solid IMO.

bitcoinbitcoin113's burp theory is playing out to the letter, though, I must say.

I disagree.

There will be no market for prices above US$ 15, unless more than 75% of the Bitcoins already produced are put in circulation. That is not what is happening, so the price will fall with unexpected dumps or buying pressure.

I think you will be proved wrong in the coming weeks.



More dump coming, the Mt.Gox market will not resist:

http://www.bitcoinmonitor.com/



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1546  Economy / Speculation / Re: [Daily Speculation Poll] :: What now? on: August 17, 2012, 11:47:00 PM

You missed the point. On what planet is anything being sold for a fixed price in BTC without regard to the exchange rate? A $10 pair of socks would cost 5 BTC with BTC at $2. With BTC at $10 it costs 1 BTC. It still costs $10 either way, ergo the buyer doesn't care about the exchange rate.

This is pretty basic stuff. I'm tempted to call troll.

In no planet.

...and I did not missed any point.
1547  Economy / Speculation / Re: [Daily Speculation Poll] :: What now? on: August 17, 2012, 11:41:36 PM


Remember there is only about 75k max bitcoins on the sell order book on MtGox.

He owes 500k+ btc.

Get the picture? Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes

Wow.

That is an interesting factor.

This indeed could have a strong influence on the Bitcoin network economy.
1548  Economy / Speculation / Re: [Daily Speculation Poll] :: What now? on: August 17, 2012, 11:35:10 PM

More bitcoins in circulation will result in a higher price? I think you've got that backward.

The point is that there is a market for Bitcoins as a medium of exchange, not only as a speculative instrument. People buying BTC to buy other stuff do not care what the current price is, as long as it isn't going to lose 20% of its value in the next 20 minutes. So they buy at market price. That's what we've been seeing for this whole rally. Yesterday was a mini-bubble IMO and it broke gracefully.

I disagree, people do care about the current price. Bitcoin is not an independent currency, it still evaluated regarding the price of other currencies, mainly the USD. So if a buyer buy Bitcoins to buy any good or service, he/she will obviously compare the prices of the desired product in both currencies.
1549  Economy / Speculation / Re: [Daily Speculation Poll] :: What now? on: August 17, 2012, 11:15:54 PM
If nothing else, it was the buy-in opportunity that everyone's been waiting for. Yesterday was insane. The rally was otherwise solid IMO.

bitcoinbitcoin113's burp theory is playing out to the letter, though, I must say.

I disagree.

There will be no market for prices above US$ 15, unless more than 75% of the Bitcoins already produced are put in circulation. That is not what is happening, so the price will fall with unexpected dumps or buying pressure.
1550  Local / Português (Portuguese) / Re: Maior Grupo de Investimento de Bitcoins fechou as portas hoje... on: August 17, 2012, 11:06:18 PM
Caras,

 O Pirate jogou as tolhas... Nada de viver dos juros de seus Bitcoins...

 https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=50822.0

Abx!
Thiago

Interessante, talvez isto deve ser uma das causas da queda no preco do Dolar contra o Bitcoin.
1551  Economy / Speculation / Re: Crash!!!! on: August 17, 2012, 10:51:17 PM
Couldn't get money to gox fast enough to buy. Gonna leave a stash there from now on.

It is exactly that what lead to the "volcano eruption" divergence.

Mt.Gox is full of "stashes" which helps to build bottom pressure.

However, at some point, the bottom pressure is stronger than the top gravity, them the volcano erupt and the "stashes" fly over the market.

Look this:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=101203.msg1108621#msg1108621

1552  Economy / Speculation / Re: Crash!!!! on: August 17, 2012, 10:08:34 PM
looks like convergence will be $12.50ish for now

Believe me your Corpulence, this is not for long. The price will drop over the weekend till Monday, only Pirate himself knows what follows after that.

I support this prediction.

Once the buying pressure regain the up trend, the price will fall to around US$ 8.

I speculate the average price will be around US$ 10 on the next week.
1553  Economy / Speculation / Re: WE HIT $15.40!!!! on: August 17, 2012, 09:05:24 PM
Panic:

http://www.bitcoinmonitor.com/



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1554  Economy / Speculation / Re: WE HIT $15.40!!!! on: August 17, 2012, 09:02:36 PM
I warned you yesterday:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=100706.msg1103589#msg1103589

It will reach around US$ 15 at Mt.Gox market, then will blow like a true Japanese volcano. US$ 13 is just the vibration which precedes the eruption.

 Cool

http://bitcoincharts.com/charts/mtgoxUSD#rg2zig15-minztgCzm1g10zm2g25zi1gAccDistzi2gOBVzv



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1555  Economy / Speculation / Re: Crash!!!! on: August 17, 2012, 08:30:01 PM
http://bitcoincharts.com/charts/mtgoxUSD#rg2zig15-minztgCzm1g10zm2g25zi1gAccDistzi2gOBVzv

1556  Economy / Speculation / Re: Crash!!!! on: August 17, 2012, 08:24:32 PM
I warned you yesterday!

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=100706.msg1103589#msg1103589

 Cheesy


It will reach around US$ 15 at Mt.Gox market, then will blow like a true Japanese volcano. US$ 13 is just the vibration which precedes the eruption.


 Cool
1557  Economy / Speculation / Re: Who or what is behind the recent price increase? on: August 16, 2012, 06:54:35 AM
It will reach around US$ 15 at Mt.Gox market, then will blow like a true Japanese volcano. US$ 13 is just the vibration which precedes the eruption.

 Cool
1558  Local / Português (Portuguese) / Re: Associacao para proteger os interesses Brasileiros em relacao as moeda digitais on: August 14, 2012, 05:59:38 PM
Venho aqui para convidar os interessados em participar na formacao da associacao a se ingressarem no forum temporario que criei:



http://abvd.forumeiros.com/

1559  Local / Economia & Mercado / Re: Preciso de webdesign, pago em Bitcoin on: August 14, 2012, 04:43:02 PM

Não!

Sad

L.

Qual e o trabalho?
1560  Local / Mineração em Geral / Re: Ajuda numa configuração on: August 14, 2012, 04:41:58 PM
Sim, já o fiz, no deepbit

Ate onde eu entendo, quando voce mineira em um "pool" todo o ganho e centralizado em uma conta, mesmo se voce utiliza diversos computadores.
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