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Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] HEAT: 3.0 crypto*multisig fiat*a2a hft*1000tps*DSA*PoS+PoP*e2ee chat*
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on: January 19, 2017, 07:40:02 AM
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Maybe I formulated the usage of the 606k HEAT in a confusing way - of course it's primarily supposed to be distributed to the original stakeholders. Due to exchangers being live before the mainnet, the stakeholder distribution has already been breached so we don't consider it an equally fair option to be distributed right now as a bonus at least. While being forced to consider options due to the slight technical force majeure of that calculation mismatch, it could be used to the benefit of stakeholders in some yet undecided way should any kind of consensus there be reached. The only decision we're now making is to allow time and maybe more options for the usage of that lot. The best way likely is to drop it to original stakeholders, however that can also be done a little later, still according to their original stake. There may be also be some more beneficial options available in this unexpected situation, which can only be revealed through constructive discussion with the stakeholders.
Correction - it is not the primary usage of these coins to be given to your stakeholders/ico investors, it is the ONLY usage. You had an agreement. People gave you money according to that agreement. Your investors should not care as to why you have in your possession extra coins (force major is not the reason by the way - take some responsibility to your mistakes for once). These coins belong to the people who sent you funds - they purchased these coins from you and doing anything but giving them these coins is withholding funds not rightfully due to you . It is that simple. No confusion here. Respect the agreement - your investors committed to it once they sent you money, now it is your turn to do your part in the agreed deal and give them the coins they paid for. You want to maintain a legal company? Start by abiding the law - Preventing your investors from receiving purchased coins is violating the basic agreement by which this transaction was founded on and that is illegal in any country on the planet. Talking won't change this fact and I think you want to refrain from becoming a criminal. Agree, the agreement was to distribute everything equally. It's not that hard to understand, why do devs kill their own projects before it even starts? It boggles the mind, it's business ethics 101. This project will not go too far with these idiotic business tactics. |
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Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] HEAT: 3.0 crypto*multisig fiat*a2a hft*1000tps*DSA*PoS+PoP*e2ee chat*
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on: January 17, 2017, 09:59:51 AM
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One big question:
Second round of funding for what? You live in the Finnland, lets see the valuation of the Euro vs. Dollar is about $1.00 EUR = $1.06 USDT.
Don't push your luck and greed, just deliver the product that was promised.
The second round offers company shares. IPO STOCK OPTIONS FOR HEAT TOKENS
Heat Ledger Ltd will arrange Initial Public Offering of stock equity in late 2016. 50 000 - 80 000 new company shares will be released to constitute 20% - 25% of total company equity, in order to raise between 500k to 1.5M EUR funding to further develop company operations. HEAT token holders who participate in round 1 ICO and hold their tokens will receive options that entitle for 50% minimum rebate from IPO share price. We all know the schedule has changed a bit. I've seen this scheme before, remember Alcurex? First a coin, MicroCoin, then Alcurex shares. And guess what, Alcurex is also registered. Apparently it's not that hard to pay a fee and become registered in whatever Eurpean country they operate. I'm starting to lose hope on this project, using ideas from other start ups. First a coin, then shares of some registered but non existent company in some obscure scandanavian country. Then there will be a 3rd round of funding, and 4th, etc. Just release the coin already. |
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Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] HEAT: 3.0 crypto*multisig fiat*a2a hft*1000tps*DSA*PoS+PoP*e2ee chat*
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on: January 14, 2017, 12:29:28 AM
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Definitely some infantile individuals have the tendency to provoke useless noise.
I still want to see the heat team keeping and maintaining constant founded communication with the community.
Too many bad vibes have been bounced around because of bad communication and doubts that consequently arise.
They hired a marketing guy FFS. Still there is no communication. Their last post on how they spent the ICO money revealed that they wasted shitloads of money already. I wonder what for. Still only one dev working on it. The last coding activity by de Klerk is already a week old and was just changing two version numbers. Before that nothing happened for weeks also. This is not what active development looks like. This is not how you create transparency. This is not how you revolutionize anything. This is not "crypto 3.0". You must be an insider with a new account (created on January 11, 2017)? Who is the hired marketing guy ? lol The development is on private repositories. As it has been, and put on github when released, just like the last two testnet wallet releases. Ignore it, it's probably the same high school kid that put up his lunch money into this. The kid is really bored because he keeps making new accounts. |
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Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] HEAT: 3.0 crypto*multisig fiat*a2a hft*1000tps*DSA*PoS+PoP*e2ee chat*
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on: January 13, 2017, 10:51:28 PM
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This becomes silly. I just realised that i'm comming here more for getting free entertainment than to actually beeing up to date with the release. Whining won't change anything for better or worse but feel free to still entertain ppl, you're hilarious... at least there's one plus from this storm  HEAT is no joke. These who can't wait few days to aknowledge reality and always find new holes where there are none are the real joke here. Silly, just silly. Like a little children. Devs should refund the children and distribute their shares to the rest of us who have been waiting patiently. |
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Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] HEAT: 3.0 crypto*multisig fiat*a2a hft*1000tps*DSA*PoS+PoP*e2ee chat*
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on: January 05, 2017, 07:21:18 PM
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I don't understand why is it so hard to use the funds that were given to make this a successs and pay an exchange like Bittrex for listing? Bittrex is offering a service and it's only fair in order to separate the joke from the serious projects. I'm sure most investors wouldnt mind the $3000 USD Bittrex requires as initial listing fee to be spent, it's for the best.
They already said they dont have a problem paying it and would even give you a bounty of 0.3 BTC if you make it happen. This was the point of my post ( https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1543991.msg17405775#msg17405775) It's not really for us to make it happen. The developers should make this happen, with support from the community if necessary. Exactly, we gave them the money to do this themselves. Otherwise this would be a community project headed by a group of people in the community. We can support them, but they have the funds to do this from us. edit: all the devs have to say is "We have the funds, when the time is right we will talk to (exchanges) and do whatever we have to get our project listed. This includes paying whatever fees with the community funds in order to achieve this goal." Done, everyone is happy and you can keep coding. |
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Economy / Speculation / Re: Waiting for the inevitable pull back and then Bitcoins dead again media piece :)
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on: January 05, 2017, 11:19:04 AM
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Well, we've nearly had a "dead again" story in the form of the FT hitpiece, and I expect that we'll see that pattern repeated (either Wall Street Journal or The Economist will be next in line)
But we're likely also going to see an explosion in general mudslinging and fearmongering, and that means the "lefty" outfits (i.e. the ones that "care about people") like The Guardian, BBC and NYT will get in on that particular act. "BITCOIN COLLAPSES STATE PENSION FUND, DEFENSELESS OLD LADIES COMMIT SUICIDE EN MASSE" etc
Most mainstream media is conservative, for some reason the media has effectively manipulated people into thinking other sources are "left" or "liberal". Reality is that they are owned by private interest groups who push their own agenda, most under the disguise of different networks when in reality it is all the same networks working under one corporation. |
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Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] HEAT: 3.0 crypto*multisig fiat*a2a hft*1000tps*DSA*PoS+PoP*e2ee chat*
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on: January 04, 2017, 09:16:10 AM
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Just wondering if it's even worth keeping them, will it still have support in future after HEAT launches?
Can't tell what you consider worth keeping, however the association has committed to supporting the FIMK network for at least 4 years, of which 2.5 have passed. There are currently about 10 active nodes and 15 forgers at any one time, the same average as it has been during the past couple of years. We have some low priority FIMK projects in progress. The FIMK token isn't a speculation token, however it's in our own interests to make it appreciate in value. We occasionally do work towards that goal when time allows. It's intended that FIMK would eventually become integrated into the HEAT multicurrency wallet. I never bought into it because of speculation, the inital was because it seemed like a good idea of what your team was trying to do. The whole basic income idea I liked, and this was when it was just known to be a Finnish coin. Thanks for the answer, I just kind of held on to my FIMK for 2+ years and I like the HEAT idea, I just don't know how much of the original concept is still in HEAT. |
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