It's a completely different system at play here so I don't think we can apply those laws.
Plus, it's a voluntary act. Using Bitcoin that is.
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People worry about security and food when there is a crisis.
Doubt they care much about bitcoin.
They would care if they could buy 10 times as much food with Bitcoin over the next month when compared with holding Pesos.
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massively invest in bitcoin to avoid pesos crisis?
You can't avoid a currency (pessos) crisis by investing in another currency What? Why not? That seems like it would be the perfect thing to do? Why would you hold a hyperinflating currency?
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Is ripple gone already?
Still has a 43 million dollar market cap ... but with this announcement I'm sure Ripple prices are going to crash. I am not sure how I feel about Stellar at this point in time till I read the yet to be released whitepaper but it sure is a hell of a lot better than Ripple based upon the info thus far. Interesting, I didn't think it would make it for several reasons. I saw them set up a table at one of the Bitcoin conferences and thought it was pretty cheesy piggybacking like that. TradeFortress supported it and I never trusted him. Joel Katz always kind of creeped me out and he worked on Ripple. He hasn't done anything wrong that I know about but he kind of looks like one of one of those guys you would see hanging out on a Starbucks sofa, laying down and waiting to look up girls skirts. lol Woah, you must not have been paying too much attention to Ripple back then. Tradefortress was actually the biggest Ripple detractor by far. He paid people many BTC to edit their posts if they were on the first page of Ripple's giveaway thread to say something along the lines of "RIPPLE IS A SCAM" ect ect. Also paid people to put that in their sigs. And he also ran a literal scam where he issued 'Tradefortress' BTC backed by nothing on Ripple where at least one person lost 1 BTC. That being said I totally don't blame you for completely ignoring all that nonsense that went on during that time.
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Wow!!!
There are people in Buenos Aires selling bitcoin for ~8150 ARS or $1000!!!
$1000 if you use the government exchange rate. they are trading using the black market rate, which is the true dollar value. Yeah. If you are trading bitcoin for pesos, you have to have a nearly immediate use for a lot of pesos or you will likely be stuck holding the bag. Inflation is already high, but if it goes up from 30%+, you need some type of hard asset. Or you'll be stuck if the peso crashes more than it has due to default and other mismanagement. Wow, is it really that bad already?! That does not sound fun at all. I hope enough people there hear about Bitcoin before it's too late.
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IRC channel promotion: tipbot, quizbot, trivia, marks give-aways, irc channel promo on other channels - https://trello.com/c/3lwwcU5z/31-irc-channel-promotionGiving tips when you feel somebody has earned them (marking) by IRC sounds great. It may be a fault of mine but I see little merit in novelty things, it's good to have other people around to balance this. What benefits come from quiz bots and trivia? What benefits come from give-aways? My only point is that marks are reputation, to be earned, that gives them their value. To give them away freely (unless to enable usage), feels like it may be detrimental? Well winning them via a trivia/quiz bot would count as earning I think. And giving some away to new users would fall under the enabling usage category I think.
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If we can agree that it is good to provide, then it can be made. Then later we can see how the settings perform, and adjust it if necessary. Fair?
Sounds fair to me.
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I think I have a solution, completely optional and variable donations.
For the IPM Pool I will add the following interface instead:
percentage BTC donation to current development [slider 0-100] percentage BTM donation to future development [slider 0-100] enter btm address [ ] [ place btm order ]
This is simple.
Each person when using the IPM pool to acquire BTM at production cost, can slide a % amount to contribute - with no pressure, and anonymously - to either current development (BTC for now), or future development (BTM to the foundation)
This is not an immediate fix to pressing matters, it does potentially solve the funding issue for say next month onwards.
Sounds risky but reasonable at the same time. I agree that it's risky. I suggest making the slider a minimum of 5% as was the original intention. I do like the idea that people can contribute more than 5% though.
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... I liked how LTC was faster to send, then BTC. ...
Then it was a fundamental misconception about proof-of-work-based consensus blockchain systems that tripped you up. None of Litecoin's tweaks (conf time, supply, mining alg) offer any real benefit over bitcoin. They're all just irrelevant tradeoffs. Faster confs yield a chain that re-orgs more, so you need more confs to be as secure; supply magnitude is not relevant at all given divisibility; and mining algs all converge to the same long-run least-cost-producer dynamics. Forgive me, but Litecoin was attractive to a lot of people who didn't really think things through, and were primarily letting the "hey, maybe I didn't miss *this* boat!" mentality get in the way of thinking deeply about why a coin like Litecoin should or should not retain long-run value relative to bitcoin. It's a shame that it's taken this rash of new coins to make people realize that Litecoin ultimately doesn't offer very much to the crypto-ecosystem, but so be it. I think you're wrong. K. I'm not. These things are supposed to function as currencies. For someone who considers one confirmation sufficient for a regular sized transaction a short block time is much, much better than the incredibly slow configuration of Bitcoin. Waiting 40 minutes or even an hour for a confirmation is not acceptable when there are faster alternatives.
Yes, if you're buying a house you might still want to wait the same total amount of time to feel 100% secure against double spends. And yes, hashes will be wasted and blocks will be orphaned. But these things are supposed to be currencies. Currencies that are used every day to buy groceries, and pay your internet bill. One confirmation is sufficient for any transaction that's not large enough that you'll want to take extra measures.
By that logic, 0-conf is also fine for day-to-day transactions, and indeed that's what every physical btc-accepting retailer I've ever used does. I don't see a rash of double-spends against coffee shops as particularly likely. As to litecoin specifically, there's essentially no use-case where a statistical 2.5min avg conf is acceptable but a statistical 10min avg conf is not. No, because 0 conf transactions are susceptible to a whole other category of double spend attacks. (Race attacks, Finney attacks ect.) And yes, the use case is when 1 confirmation is considered acceptable. Which is the case in a very large amount of transactions. There are lots of transactions that are going to be fine on 0 confirmations. But I've waited countless times up to an hour for many transactions to complete that only require one confirmation.
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... I liked how LTC was faster to send, then BTC. ...
Then it was a fundamental misconception about proof-of-work-based consensus blockchain systems that tripped you up. None of Litecoin's tweaks (conf time, supply, mining alg) offer any real benefit over bitcoin. They're all just irrelevant tradeoffs. Faster confs yield a chain that re-orgs more, so you need more confs to be as secure; supply magnitude is not relevant at all given divisibility; and mining algs all converge to the same long-run least-cost-producer dynamics. Forgive me, but Litecoin was attractive to a lot of people who didn't really think things through, and were primarily letting the "hey, maybe I didn't miss *this* boat!" mentality get in the way of thinking deeply about why a coin like Litecoin should or should not retain long-run value relative to bitcoin. It's a shame that it's taken this rash of new coins to make people realize that Litecoin ultimately doesn't offer very much to the crypto-ecosystem, but so be it. I think you're wrong. These things are supposed to function as currencies. For someone who considers one confirmation sufficient for a regular sized transaction a short block time is much, much better than the incredibly slow configuration of Bitcoin. Waiting 40 minutes or even an hour for a confirmation is not acceptable when there are faster alternatives. Yes, if you're buying a house you might still want to wait the same total amount of time to feel 100% secure against double spends. And yes, hashes will be wasted and blocks will be orphaned. But these things are supposed to be currencies. Currencies that are used every day to buy groceries, and pay your internet bill. One confirmation is sufficient for any transaction that's not large enough that you'll want to take extra measures.
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I logged into my NXT account but It says I have no assets so where did we get the ORA asset? Anyone can help me here? You don't have any assets in your bookmark list yet. Click on "Add Asset" in the top right corner to add one. Did you wait for the blockchain to fully download?
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Hello everyone I Really like this project. You have done a great job so far and i am looking forward to watching Bitmark grow and flourish. As a token of my support i have made a small donation to the Bitmark foundation. Status: 2/unconfirmed, broadcast through 2 nodes Date: 31/07/2014 16:12 To: bQmnzVS5M4bBdZqBTuHrjnzxHS6oSUz6cG Debit: -150.00 BTM Net amount: -150.00 BTM Transaction ID: 4c256a5de9819e94cd8a699c73d98783324355723e4021f72fecfdc3f6eb76cd-000 Thanks Great to see continued support of the Bitmark Foundation.
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Can we agree to move forward with this?
Looks good to me. Seems to have everything we need right now. It also looks good to me...I agree that we should move forward with this. We have one issue: Mark (coinsolidation) has put all his time and effort into the creation of Bitmark - Bitmark.co & GetMarked.org. Yet, the Project Requires additional, FundingYes, I think we all know that it's in all of our best interests to do whatever we can to keep Mark working full time on Bitmark. It's a huge project with a bright future. Right now we're getting an amazing developer working non stop all day everyday for close to free. In San Francisco he could walk in the door somewhere and start out with a minimum of 120k per year(likely much more). A lot of coins do presales or IPO's to raise funds, but Mark doesn't believe in doing it that way so he's decided rely on the community instead of premining a bunch of BTM for himself. A lot of community members have been very generous so far and I hope that everyone at least considers how much value we gain by having Mark working on Bitmark and getMarked. There are some new people in the community now and there will be even more shortly. So I wanted to make sure everyone is clear that this is a donation driven project that intends to have a fully sustained Bitmark Foundation with multiple developers one year from now. In the mean time to get us to that point anyone that is interested in seeing Bitmark become what we all want it to become, I'd ask you to consider supporting the development effort. Which right now is just Mark doing it all single handedly, full time, with a family. Here is the funding BTC address: 18rai2ichzUfXG6PVmUQLNPqBjtctnVRAD (or better yet check it on the first page of this post since you shouldn't trust someone else posting a BTC address on behalf of someone else )
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Wow, that's a really good post and idea. This is a really good way to distribute stake and should solve a lot of the problems mentioned in the post. Incentives are key and I think you guys might have nailed it here.
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For regular people and real world daily use shorter block times are superior, no question about it.
If you're not comfortable making a regular size transaction on one confirmation then there are bigger problems at play.
Yes, some hash will be wasted. So the question is, what is a more important attribute for a currency? Ease of use or most efficient use of hash?
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Can we agree to move forward with this?
Looks good to me. Seems to have everything we need right now.
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Argentina is not the Cyprus of 2014. It's an entirely different situation and there is much less contagion risk for other countries. the default was expected to occur sooner or later.
The Cyprus of 2014 could happen in Portugal and Spain. These would be catastrophic events.
ya.ya.yo!
Yeah, it seems to be a completely different situation. I don't think this particular crisis could have the same obvious upside for BTC that the Cyprus crisis had.
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I always just get the coffee of the day. It's usually pretty good. Mochachino is alright too if I'm in the mood for something sweet.
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Would this be the first time that Bitshares is cloned?
Bitshares is a pretty big deal. If this can be done it would be very interesting.
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I think the illegal use of BTC is affecting the price less and less as time goes on. In the beginning, I think it actually had a positive effect because it got people talking about it.
I first heard of BTC because I heard about people buying drugs, IDs, etc, online "anonymously" I was intrigued, so I researched more and that is how I first learned of BTC
It definitely help drive the first bubble to ~$30. It was all over the news as I remember. Even congressmen were mentioning BTC. But wait, if the price hasn't ever fallen below 30$ since, are you correct in calling the increase to 30$ a "bubble"? What? The price went down to a few dollars. Ok, I think I see what you're talking about now. But again, given that prices eventually recovered and have sustained at much more than 30$, can you really say that 30$ was a bubble? I guess it depends on whether you define 'bubble' as something that inflates then pops and dies after or just the rapid run up followed by a big drop ignoring whether the asset survives after. A lot of people use 'bubble' to describe the big bitcoin run ups, so I do as well. Also, people like to call the mid 2000s housing price surge a 'bubble', and it's not like the housing market in the US is ever going to completely die.
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