If you're not incapable of developing, why you are making random git pulls from BBR and inserting them into XMR without an idea of what the code actually does? Semi-capable might of been a more appropriate word.
Can't you see, there is (or was) lots of mutual (not really) respect between the bbr/xmr teams, because now he made the mistake of instantly appreciate what Boolberry offers you try to say a dev is not a dev? lol, very low of you, don't worry I have no doubts this mistake won't be made again. you can keep saying bbr is the best jesus coin in the world ppl will say to you its not and that monero current emission and lack of dev block is better, so deal with it. Even rpietila has said the XMR emission is not optimal. I think it's pretty clear looking at the graph that the reason the XMR price struggles so much despite all the fanfare is the money supply is inflating incredibly fast and that drives away some people who would otherwise be interested. I have nothing against XMR in general, but in anything other than a short trade during the run ups I personally find it quite hard to justify putting down money in it long term. In three or four years if everything works out the way MEW et al are predicting I'll be there money in hand as supply dries up. If XMR really does become the leader of dark liquidity world wide I think being as close to it as I am I'll be able to see it happening and have time to buy some and still make money, even if that happens in 2015. But until then the sheer amount of money it takes per day even at this relatively low market cap to sustain the price is a bit of a deal killer. I don't want this to come off as an anti-XMR post at all. But I'm just a little surprised at your defense of the emission since I thought the official line was something like 'what can you do? we didn't set it like that', which is fine considering it's the truth. |
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You clever bastards.  How many addresses did you guys post? |
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He's probably sleeping and will put it up soon.  Noashh is the one who will be putting the buy wall up as far as I know. It says upthread that he sent a small test deposit and now he'll be sending the BTC for the buy wall. edit: see above. Why are people focused on this buy wall anyway? It's unlikely to have any effect at all. The market is very unlikely to sell below the raw BTC NAV of 0.0088 considering UNITY is backed by the value of the currency it holds. Even now the market is giving a large discount to the addition of 3000 BTC worth of James' assets that he transferred over to superNET in exchange for the incentive package that was voted on. |
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Well, it isn't right...there should be a buy wall as promised.
That is my main gripe, it's been live for some time now and no buy wall as promised. The buy wall is being deposited in BTER now as it says up thread. And why does it really matter anyway? The buy wall is at what, 0.0088 or something? It's not going to make any difference at all. I've been observing and there is a massive amount of work going on behind the scenes. People selling off some UNITY to free up BTC for other purposes is not surprising really. Everyone who wanted to buy likely would have bought in the ICO. So now it's the quiet space between the ICO and the further development phase where things start to take shape. The vast majority of people still either don't seem to understand what superNET is, or what it's about. Or they're being obtuse on purpose in an effort to tune it out because it conflicts with their current portfolio. Over time as things develop people will start to understand what superNET is and what it means for the future of crypto. People are slow learners and resistant to things that are new to them. The vast majority of people here have a rejection reflex where anything that takes them more than five minutes to understand is a 'scam'. As time goes on people will see that this superNET idea didn't fade away and no one ran off with all the money. It might take a little while, but that's the advantage people get by putting in the time now to understand what they're investing in, rather then waiting until they can load up the superNET GUI themselves and use it. The risk of course is that superNET never gets built, and no one does the coding that's required to make it a reality. But anyone who's been observing can see that James has been working nonstop coding and testing with a team to get everything moving. So that risk becomes smaller by the day. I'm not too surprised that some people who bought the ICO at the start decided to sell for immediate profit. Clearly some people aren't interested in investing in the potential and are just looking to make a quick buck flipping the asset. That's not really a problem imo. But considering all the work that's going on now that James is less busy dealing with the communication side of things and is finally able to concentrate on coding superNET and associated technologies I'd say the actual value of UNITY is far higher now than it was during the ICO. How long it takes the market to reflect these events is the question. |
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If you guys are still considering new names for BBR I've been thinking of a couple of suggestions. I've been looking at Latin words for names because the Roman currency was probably the first worldwide currency to exist. Something that had value everywhere. Gold has always been scarce and valuable. Gold is mined and traded as money. The Aureus was the most valuable coin the the early Roman empire from what I understand. And the symbol for gold of course being 'Au'. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aureushttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Common_Roman_Coins.jpgVariations(note: I specifically avoid any words ending with 'o' for obvious reasons): Aureus Aureae Aureum Aureis Aurei Aurea Also, I noticed 'Secore' was one of the suggestions upthread. Going on that theme there is: Securus Secura Securum Securi Securae Securas Securis Boolberry itself is not necessarily a bad name. But I guess it depends on what your goals are and what sort of message you want to convey with the name of your currency. As a name in many contexts Boolberry could be a great name. But there's no question that some disregard Boolberry simply because they dislike the name. One reason I tend to prefer Latin roots over other names like Rune is that some people might associate a name like Rune with a 'fantasy' type image. Like something from a game, or series of novels. Again, it's a solid name, but I'm not sure if it will really click with some people. On the other hand, the Latin names might go over the head of some people as well. But with the Latin names, they're at least firmly rooted in human history and have a strong association with value and money. Just thought I'd throw my suggestions in here. I like the work CZ has been doing and I've been impressed with what he's managed to accomplish. |
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Any mayor releases in the following dates? We have major improvements everyday to marking it seems.  And that's just the public stuff that we use on slack, not the other stuff that is going on behind the scenes. Not to mention 3rd parties beginning their evaluation of becoming a marking integration. |
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Gavin is already trying to solve this with Bitcoin and any improvement could be forked over to CryptoNote.
I don't see how what Gavin is doing applies here. Different technologies. One Bitcoin transaction is recorded as one transaction, not n mixins. I could be wrong, but I'm pretty sure typical blockchain pruning methods that might work on Bitcoin don't work on the CN coins. The developers are going to have to invent novel ways to reduce the size. Although I've heard it mentioned that anything more than linear reduction is probably impossible, but that was a while ago. |
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I will of course feel ashamed if my attempts to find the exploit end up being duds and or if I helped to further any panic. All along I was telling everyone to be calm. Even in my PMs I was urging everyone to be calm.
I don't think you should feel ashamed if it turns out that you don't find an exploit. I'd say the value you add to the technology in general by evaluating it in a through manner adds far more long term value to it than the amount you received in the bounty. I think it's always good to poke around and try to find exploits. Strengthens the technology. Not every exploitation attempt can be successful, even trying and failing adds value. edit: Read the other posts. Yeah, definitely take some time to rest. None of this stuff is more important than your health. |
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The credibility of the website is good. But the credibility of CryptoNote and "Catherine Erwin" is most definitely not.  |
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How so quiet  Devs busy working |
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Great thread, I thought this sounded fishy from the start but now it all makes sense.
Will the average user profit from Supernet? Possibly.
Will JL777? Most certainly.
He only really profits if the share holders profit though. His bonus structure is based on him multiplying the price by either 3x or 10x. Otherwise this is actually a massive net loss for him. So I think you got that wrong. Somehow I doubt that. Ok? Have you read the agreement that was just voted on by shareholders? That's what the agreement was. |
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Yes, your own branch of the story here seems to have diverged and become it's own separate tale. It's quite possible that he was just guessing, he seems to have hinted at many different sorts of attacks so far. i 100% believe bcx was gonna attack but it was obvious from the beginning he was using anonymintfacistmind guy. bcx "i have an exploit i'm gonna steal everybody's coins" (gonna timewarp and dump on exchange) facistmind "in theory maybe if you kissed the moons butt at the right time of the right day of the right year you could steal people minds" bcx "he's the only one who knows anything ... he's getting close" it's OBVIOUS bcx is a minerhashpowerbitcoin god. but he's not a mathcryptoexpert. he was using facistmind guy to scare the *bleep* out of everyone. Even so, it's probably done a lot of good for XMR to have all this thorough inspection. Even if AnonyMint's attack vectors don't work out, it's still good to have this level of in depth analysis going on. If no attack materializes it looks like this overall situation will probably be a net benefit for XMR and BBR. And if an attack materializes and is thwarted, it could be a huge benefit. We will have to wait and see. |
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Aeh is supernet monero dead yet? Can anyone summarize for me please? I missed the last 2 days
Nothing of note seems to have happened outside BBR and XMR patching up some bugs in their code that seem to be unrelated to BCX. Would not have focused on the unmasking of the anonymity if he had not been for BCX asserting he could steal wallets. Unmasking the anonymity (if possible) reveals the i == s in the NIZKP of the one-time ring signature. So far apparently the mathematicians don't think this unlocks any vulnerability in the private keys. Question is where did BCX get this idea about the private keys and relating it to the anonymity? We are so smug but we should try to answer that question first. Maybe this story is over, but I am not 100% confident yet. Apparently there is new decentralized checkpointing code in play, so maybe any rewinding of the block chain is now impossible. Yes, your own branch of the story here seems to have diverged and become it's own separate tale. It's quite possible that he was just guessing, he seems to have hinted at many different sorts of attacks so far. |
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Aeh is supernet monero dead yet? Can anyone summarize for me please? I missed the last 2 days
Nothing of note seems to have happened outside BBR and XMR patching up some bugs in their code that seem to be unrelated to BCX. |
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Somehow I feel we are doing to XMR what we accuse them of doing to others, which is hijacking a thread about XMR (or CN coins) exploit and promoting SuperNet. Couldn't we move that discussion to an appropriate thread and provide a link?
Just saying.
That certainly wasn't my intention but I had considered that when I just submitted that last post. I just wanted to highlight the connection between your original post and James' philosophy in the post where I bought it up. Didn't mean to derail. So we can nip this in the bud now and move on. |
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I read it. There are a lot of new words in that document that I don't understand. Many of them are words to describe things that are planned. With that understanding, the "100% coding, 0% marketing" phrase seemed, at least that phrase, to be 100% marketing. Marketing deals with forward looking projections, plans, and public communications. As much as the plan seems a great one... Is there another communications document that only describes what exists already today? Things that exist today are the MGW( https://github.com/jl777/multigateway) and libjl777( https://github.com/jl777/libjl777). They're just elements of the whole though, there's still a lot of work to be done linking everything together and then creating a good UI. The project is just beginning and there's still a lot of work ahead, but a lot of work as been done already. I guess you could also say that BTCD, BBR, coinomat(fiat gateway), NXT AE, and BTER also exist today since they're all going to be essential elements of the network. But libjl777, MGW, instantDEX and other tech that's still in development is going to be what actually connects all these elements together. So there's been a lot of work completed already, but there's still a lot more to be done for such a large project. |
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why high diff lasts 5 days and low diff only 2,5 hours?
Difficulty changes ever 720 blocks. So when the difficulty is low lots of people point their hashing at the network making blocks go very quickly. |
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The community-at-large wants to see more "working together" and "building things" and less "turf battles" and "yo moma is a ho". Get used to it. All crypto will always be under threat. You can enjoy the comfort of knowing that the team managing the process has some quite respectable skill at doing so, thus differentiating it from the various one-man shows.
I sent a PM to rpietila thanking the MEW for paying me a bounty. I lamented the dirty tactics by the opposition that digs up dubious (there is always at least 2 sides to any story...I don't want to discuss it or dig it up) skeletons in Risto's past life. I have suggested to the MEW via Risto that they consider not being monogamously aligned with XMR and spread some token love (in the form of investment holdings) around to synergistic altcoins such as BBR. I think this would go a long way to diffusing the war attitude around here, and fostering goodwill. When pooling capital, you are a political target whether you like it not. I am suggesting how to diffuse that phenomenon and for best results on our mutual goals. To frame the goal of crypto-currency conquering fiat as divide-and-conquer war amongst the innovators seems to be less astute. We are not enemies. The only justification for such an attitude is wanting to be richer than the next guy, for bragging rights. Even if that desire remains, it can be done with gentleman's mutual respect and good will. The potential for crypto-currency appreciation is enough to make us all rich, and especially if we stop tearing each other down. The other justification would have been to not proliferate dilution of the money supply of crypto-currency, but this will happen organically if one altcoin can rise up. While Apple Pay and Paypal are off conquering the world of electronic currency adoption, we are dividing-and-conquering ourselves. We need many small fish making experiments. The big fish can swallow the best innovations, or the small fish can out race the big fish until it is bigger. The innovation and then the market's digestion of the innovation will decide any way, no amount of verbal posturing can decide it. XMR is way ahead of where bitcoin was at this age, in every reasonable metric of merit that I have considered - and I have considered many.
Selling would be foolish in my opinion. I have no qualms with MEW making XMR its #1 focus and investment. Seems rational. Should it also have a #2, #3, etc.? Monogamy has the cost that the community-at-large will always resist helping efforts that anoint themselves. I prefer a larger community of gentleman's competition, thus arriving at a greater result faster. When the winning inertia accumulates organically rather than forced from the top-down, it is accepted by the community as fair play and good will. I could do without anonymint's "if P=NP then there are many vulnerabilities" posts. He's pretty accurate and insightful, but he completely misleads most readers, and quite recklessly. Arguing math in a troll thread is asinine. I doubt that he's done more good than harm at this point.
I have a new insight into my algorithm which I think obviates that comment smooth made in private about the P=NP question. Assuming the algorithm works then if CN implements the mitigation, thus it will be removing input address from contention as they are found to be in "spent" groups (i.e. yes my algorithm is also a form of pruning) from a rolling history thus the algorithm will not consider the entire history but rather incrementally, thus it is not an NP search. Also I provided some ideas for locality of the search. All the posturing and threats and chest thumping are just pathetic. I have been there and done that, and I hope I've grown past it. Not much I can do to wean these wet-nappied wailers, though. Pearls would just be trodden anyhow.
An attitude of selfishness is the source of most of the trolling. I would never have gotten inflamed in this thread had I not felt that there was defiance behind the scenes to "anything not invented by us" or at least "if not invented by us, it better be 100% implemented attack or there is no urgency, I can still go to the beach". What is inflaming the emotions is the sense whether correct or not that some (not all) in the XMR camp are arrogant (or insecure and defensive thus perceived as arrogance). I don't think anyone is seriously doubting the level of talent. But no talented group can see and do everything. Not even Microsoft with 10,000 employees. The entire point of open source bazaars is they kickass on large cathedrals[1]. Open source is not just about source code being shared. It is a gift culture of sharing[2]. [1] http://www.catb.org/esr/writings/cathedral-bazaar/[2] The Bibles about open source from Eric Raymond (the man who invented the term open source), specifically the Magic Cauldron. Just want to say that this is pretty much the philosophy of jl777's superNET. The point is to unite cryptocurrencies in to a single network to work together to absorb as much fiat as possible. I wonder how much different the alternative currency scene would be if everyone took this view. Whether they're interested in superNET or not is irrelevant really, tearing each other down just drives people away and stops new people from wanting to find out more. |
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No, it can only go up by 4 times. That's not a correct estimate. edit: Diff: 1953.30771918 |
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