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661  Economy / Economics / Re: Future of Bitcoin Economics on: August 14, 2016, 07:21:38 AM
It can go to such amazing levels but it depends whether a lot of people adopt or don't and of course the way it is presented to the people.It has to be explained the benefits and the pros of adopting it.Then we can actually see a huge spike in the economy.

If there is not conflict  of interest in the bitcoin development team and they work hard, more people will use bitcoin.
662  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: ETH = Game Over on: August 14, 2016, 07:20:15 AM
The White Hats and DAO Wars: Behind the Scenes, quite interesting reading.

https://blog.bity.com/2016/08/13/the-white-hats-and-dao-wars-behind-the-scenes/
663  Economy / Economics / Re: Future of Bitcoin Economics on: August 13, 2016, 01:51:45 PM
Future of Bitcoin Economics depends on mass adoption of Bitcoin. No body can predict accurately the true future of Bitcoin.

Are you asking a question or this is just an answer to your own question? Grin

There are 30 threads here asking about the future of bitcoin. Smiley

Let`s stop thinking about the bitcoin future and act now to promote btc.

I promote the bitcoin quite hard. I told my friends and relatives about the Bitcoin and other coins such as Ethereum.
664  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: ETH = Game Over on: August 13, 2016, 01:50:09 PM
I'm Selling all my ETH now well its high!
it is better to sell all your ethereum right now in order not to have a huge loss in the future, etc is going to grow so eth is definitely going to fall

ETC will have to find a lot of money to employ its own developers. Where do you think the funds will come from?

Charles Hoskinson already commited and will provide funding for the maintenance and development of ETC. He will also look for other investors to get more funding. Be ready for the new road map, new governance and the new development team in a few weeks.

Does he have tens of millions of dollars? If so, there might be future for the ETC, otherwise, he might pump and dump it.
665  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: I think Ethereum will be finished after this attack on: August 13, 2016, 01:48:13 PM
You heard wrong. They attempted to dump all the ETC to buy ETH and use that to fund development on the forked chain. The exchanges Poloniex and Kraken now have frozen some of those funds.

The white hat hacking group actually has connections with the Ethereum foundation. Now they have Swiss lawyers involved in the return of the funds. That is bad news for the DAO holders because they might lawyer their way from giving the funds back to the actual owners.

Why did they not return the funds right away?

I think they want to influence the price of the ETH and ETC. But that is just my speculation, not necessary true.
666  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: I think Ethereum will be finished after this attack on: August 12, 2016, 08:54:24 AM

Do we know the plan of the white hat hacker? If they dumped the ETC at a price of $2 each, that is good money.
yeah, that would be some great profit to him to be honest though we dont know what he wants to do and what not and that is a bad thing

Follow Up Statement on the ETC Salvaged from attackDAOs

https://www.reddit.com/r/ethereum/comments/4xasg3/follow_up_statement_on_the_etc_salvaged_from/?st=irri2xtr&sh=eda9fbff

It seems that is no firm decision yet.

Following the events of the last 24 hours we want to keep the community updated:

After having received repeated legal threats from various individuals holding significant stakes in The DAO (still continuing), we sought legal advice to help us pursue our goal without endangering ourselves or the salvaged funds. We found support and legal advice from Bity SA, a trusted Swiss entity. It has agreed to protect, secure and later distribute the funds equitably under an independent Swiss legal structure. The number 1 goal has always been to ensure that the salvaged funds are distributed in a fair, transparent and just manner. This remains unchanged.

When the salvaged ETC were able to be recovered, signals were received from the greater community to distribute these ETC in ETH, to continue to support Ethereum projects. Also, a large portion of the community does not have the technical ability to safely work both with ETC and ETH in the same address; therefore, returning part of salvaged ETC in ETH seemed to be the safest for all the parties involved. The first actions from the Swiss structure took place Tuesday August 9th and it preferred to not announce the movement of ETC in advance to avoid speculators taking advantage of the situation. Part of these funds are still on exchanges and the rest of the funds are held in the following accounts:

ETC Multisig: 0x1ac729d2db43103faf213cb9371d6b42ea7a830f

ETH Multisig: 0xd3b0b4fc31ee1f8570c75c19caa93cc1557e538f

BTC Multisig: 3JYwxuaHGKt8rZ9NbTEcyYRXtqkfN5Lz5Y

BTC Multisig2: 3Er3uMqBruv8VnhXUjyRbp2McASUE8t9HA

It has now become clear that this approach will introduce many unnecessary complications and wouldn’t bring certainty to all DAO Token Holders that they would be treated equally and with fairness. The objective evolved from the most desirable outcome (distributing ETH and ETC) to the most efficient and comprehensible distribution solution, that all funds will be made available in ETC to the DAO Token Holders. To achieve this, all exchanges will be asked to return the funds to the Multisig wallets.

We would like to thank the community for their trust and ask for their patience as the responsibility of returning this value to the DAO Token Holders is not an easy task. We are under a lot of pressure, but throughout this process we will continue to do the best that we can to protect the interests of the DAO Token Holders.

All the legal and technical work of the community members and the companies involved, has always been on a volunteer and pro-bono basis. Following our first statement, members of the community have expressed their keenness to donate crypto assets in recognition for the efforts deployed to salvage the ETC from the attackDAOs and to distribute it back to the community. Accordingly, it will be possible to donate when retrieving the funds. We will communicate next with a detailed plan for the distribution.
667  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: ETH = Game Over on: August 12, 2016, 08:53:20 AM
I'm Selling all my ETH now well its high!

That could be a good action. I think many people will buy more Etheruem since the price is kept low by selling.
668  Economy / Economics / Re: Investing Bitcoins? on: August 12, 2016, 08:51:16 AM
Right now just holding the bitcoins is the best investement as fas as i am concerned.Other investments are pretty risky like investing in any altcoins because can not trust them much and also there are ponzy sites so stay away from them.Just hold bitcoins and wait for the price to increase.

Not all are scams. Dash, zeitcoin, clam just to name a few.
it is better not to invest in any cryptos because even if it wasnt a scam the price of it can easily go down and not allow us to make any good money

Of course you can invest in crypto, crypto is the future and it will grow beyond our expectations and if you don't have faith in crypto then why are you wasting your time here.
It is just nice that we are here in the crypto world because I can see a lot of opportunities here aside from having work online. With our chances to invest that makes it more favorable for us but still we need to be a risk taker to make money.

I bought a few bitcoin in early 2013.  But I think I am not the first taker. The price just rose 10 times since I bought.
669  Economy / Economics / Re: Bitcoin getting in to economic crisis on: August 12, 2016, 08:48:42 AM
we've heard a bunch of times about fiat money and escalating problems. any reason for bitcoin to decline rapidly and all the online wallets closing down how will everyone fear the loss of bitcoins. It can happen because its the problem with real money its causing bitcoin to get blocked halfway.
I always think about this. Some people say if the bitcoin price goes down to 1$ then I will buy as many as I can afford, some people say if the price drops down to 1$ after all of this then it means there must be something wrong and definetly should be stayed away.

I realized I am in the middle of it. I will not sell everything I own and buy bitcoin if it drop down to 1$ but I will probably buy at least 100 of it. I think bitcoin won't decline that much, the price is what people say how much it is. Instead of fiat where goverments and finance sector decides how much 1$ is worth.

I have bought a few bitcoin in 2013 and 2015. I have hold most of them since then. I just used some in the mean time.
670  Economy / Economics / Re: Future of Bitcoin Economics on: August 12, 2016, 08:47:29 AM
yes, the more people use bitcoin the more bitcoin increases in value but world will need this digital transformation in the long run.i think bitcoin has many crowd-puller qualifications which are varied to make distribution of income fairly to various segments. it will happen sooner or later.

The development of the bitcoin has a good community support. The number of users have also increased in the past.
671  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: ETH = Game Over on: August 10, 2016, 05:18:31 PM
what is the ethereum for? is it possible make money from it?
it is possible if you did some trading with it though if you will just hold then you will lose your money because i think that its price is going to drop

yeah. ethereum both of them are good for a short term investment and nothing more. because they are both super risky and become riskier and more unstable as the time goes on.
well i dont know what to think about it to be honest, i have a feeling that the etc price is going to jump soon and it will be a great currency

If the DAO hacker, both the white and black hat, dumps their 11 million coins, the price could be very low.
672  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: I think Ethereum will be finished after this attack on: August 10, 2016, 05:16:50 PM

Do we know the plan of the white hat hacker? If they dumped the ETC at a price of $2 each, that is good money.
thats true though the  hacker is definitely not going to be dumping his money soon, i think that he will hold it for the future when a pump will happen

Nobody dares to pump the ETC if he knows somebody will dump the coins to him at a very high price.
673  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Honestly, for how long can ETH survive this mess? on: August 10, 2016, 05:14:51 PM
ETH has big money backers and the disciples all hodl.

I'm hodling and buying more ETH.

It's still gud times.
For any coin if you buy it and hold for longer and prefer it for your usage, and all other also do the same, then you will get it at a higher value within a shorter time, I am holding my LIR and I promote it and suggest to my friend to invest in it, I hope it will have greater value sooner.

I have mined some ETC recently when the profitably was high. I usually sold it instantly just in case it was dumped by big holders.

You are quite wise. There is a drop of ETC price recently. The price trend is going lower, so it is better not to mine it.

If you are a miner and also an investor, you can mine it and hope you will sell it at a higher price later.
674  Economy / Economics / Re: Investing Bitcoins? on: August 10, 2016, 05:13:43 PM
I am don't know a good way to invest my bitcoins, i am looking for a good opportunity to invest in cloud mining, but sometimes i am thinking that better just saving.



Invest your money in trading if you want to get a good profit, and don't play gambling or invest your money in gambling because it is risky and winning chances are very less. And one thing more don't invest your all money in trading too because it is also little bit risky.

Yeah invest part of it in trading and rest save it for future, so even if your trade goes wrong your saved bitcoins will help you in future.

yes I think trading is currently the best way, many new coins are born, you can take advantage of the new coins and invest in ICO. but you should still be careful and choose a nice coins.

For me ETC is the best altcoin at a moment, I already double my coins in last one week, and I am still playing with it on daily basis,  but not sure how long it will survive.

yes one week ETC is a very profitable coin, I also benefited quite a lot from the ETC, but if you choose a safe coin I think ETH safer than ETC.

If you go through the news related to ETC then its very positive and it has lot potential to grow in coming weeks, so my primary focus at this stage is to invest in ETC.

The ETC price is dropping at the moment, in fact in the last week. So you can buy more ETC with the same amount of investment.
675  Economy / Economics / Re: Bitcoin getting in to economic crisis on: August 10, 2016, 05:12:29 PM
The only crisis that I have witness now is when there is a hacking with the bitfinex and I can really tell that it affected the economy of bitcoin as evidenced by the big price fall back, but we are too lucky now as the price is rising back again and it is going to the right direction to be back to normal or even surpass the last high price before the big fall back.

The Bitfinex hack delayed the bitcoin price rise to $1000 by at least three months. I thought the price could reach $1000 in the middle of next year.
676  Economy / Economics / Re: Future of Bitcoin Economics on: August 10, 2016, 05:11:16 PM
As long as there are people who measure bitcoin's price with usd, there won't be a mass adoption. Actually we are already in a mass adoption phase. People are using bitcoin to gain more Usd, that is the base problem. 
It depends on how to describe mass adoption, for me we are still in the early stage and we have not achieve a massive adoption yet. If massive adoption will be achieve we are not seeing this price only because it will significantly grow substantially IMO.

We are in the very early stage of mass adoption. The mass adoption is that when many people use bitcoin once a week at least.
677  Economy / Economics / Re: Future of Bitcoin Economics on: August 08, 2016, 06:32:09 PM
BTC future prediction is simple - dedicated computer user market, small for the whole computer user market. No shops in nearest future due to long transaction time and most possible also just as exception - some banks.  Wink

The infrastructure of fast transaction is being built, for example the lighting network. The block size will also increase.
678  Economy / Economics / Re: Investing Bitcoins? on: August 08, 2016, 06:30:48 PM
Well, that is why there are a lot of ways to earn money because we do have the same skills, others are good in trading while some are just good in doing an online work and no risk for them. Since trading is more profitable than any other means of making money it is also fair that it is more risky.

Investing in bitcoin does not need too much skill. I just bought some bitcoin in 2013, and keep them, and the price rose.

That is what I am doing. I mine some altcoins and then sell them for the bitcoin and hold the bitcoin.
679  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: ETH = Game Over on: August 08, 2016, 06:29:32 PM
what is the ethereum for? is it possible make money from it?
it is possible if you did some trading with it though if you will just hold then you will lose your money because i think that its price is going to drop

yeah. ethereum both of them are good for a short term investment and nothing more. because they are both super risky and become riskier and more unstable as the time goes on.

ETC is way less risky, because at least you have the certainty that it will not suffer from absolute debacles like a rushed hard fork over faulty smart contracts (this WILL happen again and it will put ETH into the spotlight again and everyone will expect them to hard fork, which will kill the market, once again).

With ETC you know this will not happen. Now we only need Charles and the rest to start a solid team of professional coders to start doing all the hard work.

You should buy more ETC if you think that way and if you are a strong support of Ethereum. The EthDev is going to let you have the ETC.
680  Economy / Speculation / Re: BTC around 600$ - Is time to Hedge on: August 08, 2016, 06:26:56 PM
The bitcoin price is around $592 now. I think the price has recovered from the Bitfinex hack and will rise again.

not fully recovered, but as expected the 600 mark was very strong, and we are seeing a fast recover after that gigantic hack of 120k coin

before the dumping the market was ready to increase

The 120k bitcoin hack means the 120k bitcoin to be taken out of circulation. So it is something like holding.
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