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1341  Economy / Goods / Re: [WTS] My pre-order of Avalon ASICS Batch #2 on: March 29, 2013, 04:01:10 PM

That would be an interesting kind of bids ProfMacandCheese if people are interested we could do that ... but there must be any people interested in that method ...All bitcoints that were outbidded would return to their owners after the auction was over or after the bigger bids were two times higher ...


I have attended auctions for many years.  People bid more if they see the competition.
You could post a payment address and let the community decide.

I am a possible bidder.  I am collecting funds for a consortium.  You can view how well the collection effort is going on the blockchain.

1342  Economy / Goods / Re: [WTS] My pre-order of Avalon ASICS Batch #2 on: March 29, 2013, 01:58:04 AM
well i was going to buy this but then the buyer got a higher bid and jsut stopped resonding. Bids should be only in the thread otherwise you could just fake the bids.

In another thread, I proposed using the blockchain to make the bids.  This is the ProfMac style auction.

To do that here, OP would create a new payment address for this auction.  To bid, you would just send (0.000 1 * your bid) to that address.  To bid BTC 50, you send BTC 0.05.  To bid BTC 80, you send BTC 0.08

The blockchain makes a nice timestamp and all the action is public.  You are anonymous.

The winning bidder puts his Name, address, and contact info in a message and signs it with his payment address.  He sends that in a PM.

Most of the administrative paperwork is taken care of automatically by the block-chain.  We know the payments are real--though we don't know who made them.



... and what happens to the bitcoins for the losing bidders ? Very cheesy ProfMacNCheese  Grin

In his auction, that is cyberaa's call.

However, tell me what should happen to them.
1343  Economy / Goods / Re: [WTS] My pre-order of Avalon ASICS Batch #2 on: March 28, 2013, 11:25:26 PM
well i was going to buy this but then the buyer got a higher bid and jsut stopped resonding. Bids should be only in the thread otherwise you could just fake the bids.

In another thread, I proposed using the blockchain to make the bids.  This is the ProfMac style auction.

To do that here, OP would create a new payment address for this auction.  To bid, you would just send (0.000 1 * your bid) to that address.  To bid BTC 50, you send BTC 0.05.  To bid BTC 80, you send BTC 0.08

The blockchain makes a nice timestamp and all the action is public.  You are anonymous.

The winning bidder puts his Name, address, and contact info in a message and signs it with his payment address.  He sends that in a PM.

Most of the administrative paperwork is taken care of automatically by the block-chain.  We know the payments are real--though we don't know who made them.

1344  Economy / Computer hardware / Re: [WTS] Shares in Avalon ASIC Batch #2 to buy more Hash-power. on: March 28, 2013, 07:05:23 PM

...

The Offer


I may buy back your shares at the same price at any time and for any reason.  
I may allow overbooking in order to buy a 4 module Batch #3 unit.

Any buy-back will be Last Purchased, First Refunded and sent to the original purchasing address.  Buy soon, not late!

...

I will pay by epochs.  A new epoch begins when someone purchases shares.
An epoch ends when I receive mining income or when I refund shares; it may end each week or month by declaration.
No gaps exist between epochs.
Bitcoin is not taxed

There is activity in my PM on the issue of buy-back.  One concern is that I will contrive a "free loan" and another concern is about how the timing plays out between income to the venture and any payback that I initiate.

I tried to make a sensible offer up front.  
I think that people get uncomfortable if the offer changes after they have put money in.
I tried to make the rules minimal, because the more complicated they are, the more difficult it is to understand them.
I was in a hurry to try to fund a batch #3, so there is always a chance that I crafted a really bad rule in there somewhere, I hope not.  

So here are some scenarios:

1.  Spring flood puts my house underwater.  I can't mine any more.  I refund everyone their coin.  This scenario is covered under the offer.
2.  Drama Queen makes a purchase, and takes a vastly excessive amount of attention.  I refund him his money, and everyone can read the bit-chain and verify this.  It's covered under the offer.
3.  A big payment comes in, and I don't want to share.  I refund everyone's money.  Oops!  The epoch ended when the payment came in, I can't manipulate things this way.
4.  Snipe wants to buy in as late as possible so that he gets paid without having his coin tied up.  I think he has a chance of missing a payment by buying in late and that offsets the advantage he might get by buying late.  I thought the rules were "good enough" to handle this.

5.  Greed tries to buy 300% of my production.  Hmm.  I can refund back down to about 90% sold out.  I can keep the coin and buy more hashing power, provided that the pay schedule is met.  Both scenarios are ok with the rules of the offer.

6.  Hopper wants to get their money back and move on.  I'll try to be cool.  If I can buy back,  I'll announce a buy-back here even though I don't have to.  I'll refund everyone who bought in more recent than the bored dude.  Everyone then decides if they really want back in, want back in stronger, or whatever.  It's covered under the scenario.  It is a tad tedious.  This is the place where I will tweak the rules in any new venture.

There is a Batch #2 pre-order for sale.  Woo Hoo!  Buy shares now!

I don't think making more and more rules makes a deal safer.  That goes for any deal, not just this one.  Honey scammer don't care.  Ultimately, you have to trust the good guys and distrust the bad guys.  Good luck if figuring out who is who.

I'm interested in crafting the rules for deals, so I welcome discussion on this, and I will tweak the rules for the next venture that I start.

1345  Economy / Computer hardware / Re: [WTS] Avalon ASIC Batch #2 Income Sharing [cancelled and reopened] to fund #3 on: March 28, 2013, 05:26:16 PM
Can you tell me the quotient MH/s/share?

That is public knowledge.

I see numbers of about 65 Gh/s quoted for the Avalon Batch #2 unit.
The entire output of the unit is set at 100 shares.

I think that comes to 650 MH/s  / share

It would be interesting to calculate how many high end Radeon GPUs 1 share is equivalent to.
1346  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: Avalon chip orders on: March 28, 2013, 03:21:06 PM
This is not to compete with Avalon, want the chips for their own consumption.
We have read the statements of BitSyncom saying that they will sell but in practice this does not sell, I'm trying to reach and no one listens to me, so I finally decided to do it publicly that seems to be the only way to contact.
I am shocked to read in some places that interest BitSyncom LLC is decentralized network, when really have centrallized as never before.

PD:All the people who are asking a PCB single-chip, in this market already exists, it is called ZTEX USB-FPGA Module 1.15x It has the same computing power than a single chip Avalon.


I was not able to find a price for this model in their shop.
I had wanted to look at the cost and estimate the income, but did not find either answer quickly.
1347  Economy / Computer hardware / Re: [WTS] Avalon ASIC Batch #2 Income Sharing on: March 28, 2013, 02:53:03 PM
If you're just transfering bitcoin its okay.

Also, i can't believe you're valuing it at 250 bitcoin.  Also, it will not be generating 5 bitcoins a day for 50 days.  Batch 3 is scheduled to start shipping 22 days after batch 2.

I think the Avalon Batch #2 is supposed to ship soon.  I don't understand why you think it will be 50 days before it mines a block.


1348  Economy / Computer hardware / Re: WTB In Hand Avalon ASIC for $20K on: March 28, 2013, 02:30:23 PM
Some are scams on eBay, but for a fact, one is very legit and real.

Would you mind pointing out the real one?

Exposure to the bitcoin community causes many people to begin using the word "scam" to mean "any deal where I don't already have the profit in my own pocket."
1349  Economy / Computer hardware / Re: [WTS] Avalon ASIC Batch #2 Income Sharing [cancelled and reopened] to fund #3 on: March 28, 2013, 07:38:38 AM
You may purchase 1/100 (1 share) of the income of my Avalon Batch #2 ASIC Miner for each BTC 0.8683
</quote>

So can I buy out your batch #2 avalon with 86.83btc?

There are some things to keep in mind:

Others have already bought in.
You cannot take possession of the device.
I have a buy-back right against your shares.

1350  Economy / Computer hardware / Re: [WTS] Avalon ASIC Batch #2 Income Sharing [cancelled and reopened] to fund #3 on: March 28, 2013, 03:42:36 AM
What will happen to the received BTC if you do not get enough to purchase the Series 3?

Since I already have a paid order for the Batch #2, I will deliver what I promised.

So long as I have not spent the coin on Batch #3, I don't mind returning money to anyone who wants out, for any reason.

Batch #2 did re-open after Avalon did an audit on the orders that were paid or not.  So I suppose I should still try to gather the BTC 75 or so in case a Batch #3 becomes available.



1351  Economy / Service Announcements / Re: bitfloor needs your help! on: March 28, 2013, 03:17:55 AM

What can make you satisfied?


I don't know, honestly.  There is a serious principle at stake, and Bitcoin is getting to the point where stands need to be made on ethical grounds or the system will collapse, and the bubble pointers will shout I told you so.

I offered at 30 cents on the dollar right after the "theft".  This was at a time pirate debt was trading at 0.50.  There were no takers.  People preferred Pirate's debt to Roman's. 

Since Roman has never taken any input from us, or even responded to the many viable suggestions of how he could resolve the debt, I find the whole 'Bitfloor needs your help' plea to be repulsive.  Bitfloor seized my money.

And by the way; You are all welcome for the 1% payback I forced.

After our shooting I spent a lot of time at the courthouse.  There is a lot of people watching there.  Another father lost a son in another case, and he was deeply (and justifiably) angry.  He wanted revenge.  It ate at him, and it worried everyone in the courthouse:  none of us wanted to be in any crossfire.

I wanted my daughter back.  Nothing else, only that.  I was clear that revenge would still leave her dead.

Both cases proceeded to a guilty verdict.  I was relieved that the trial was over, and I could spend time on the rest of my life, heal, find out who I was without my kid.  The other case also proceeded to a guilty verdict, with a death penalty.  That father just crumpled at the verdict:  he got what he had pursued for almost 2 years, and only when he had it did he realize it had no value to him.

Do you want Roman to be out of business?
Do you want him to be publicly humiliated?
Do you want him to be shut down?
Would you accept it if Roman is successful and repays everyone in time?

I like the idea of buying the debt.  I would make it a negotiable thing, and buy and sell it on an exchange.  It would end up in the hands of the people who can carry it, and those who have a liquidity crisis would get some liquidity now.  Bah, it sounds like I believe in markets.



1352  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: [Group Buy] Avalon ASIC Batch 3 [CLOSED- Seven 4 module Avalons ordered] on: March 28, 2013, 02:51:36 AM
All of a sudden all Bitcoin miners in this thread became certified electricians. Smiley

My dad started as a lineman, and worked up the chain to become an EE and design transmission lines.
I actually did work as an electrician's helper for a year.  Plugging & Switching, they called it.  Had pretty fast dykes and Kleins.

1353  Economy / Service Announcements / Re: bitfloor needs your help! on: March 27, 2013, 02:57:57 PM
Another 50 years with no interest and Roman will have paid us back!!!
Or, you could incur legal expenses and spread FUD and make sure he has no way to pay back. Great idea!


If you find it acceptable for operators of exchanges to seize your money then that is good for you.

I don't find it acceptable.  And Bitfloor is bankrupt.  There are enough bankrupt banks operating in the fiat world.  Bitcoin doesn't need any.

If you disagree:  Buy me out.

What can make you satisfied?
1354  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: [Group Buy] Avalon ASIC Batch 3 [CLOSED- Seven 4 module Avalons ordered] on: March 27, 2013, 02:28:34 PM
Wow you guys really don't know much about mains power if you think a modern US house is gonna be limited to 9.6kW.

The US standard for "regular" outlets is 120V, but they still run 240V into a most houses, plus a neutral leg which is used to make the 120V circuits.  A lot of the really high current appliances (electric stove, heat pump) are run on 240V circuits, for efficiency and to save on wire cost.

I have one of my "regular" outlets wired up for 240V, and I run my GPU miner on it when it's here.

so excuse my us ignorance, do they have a mixed power supply there where they have a lot of step up transformers from the generators to give 240

or do they have 240 supply mixed in with 110v so dual lines or something

Huh

They usually run 17,500 V on top of a pole.  This is from memory and I could not verify it just now--it may be 11,000V.  There are step down transformers every so many houses that feed 3 wires, presumably 240 V + neutral.  Every so many blocks the 17,500 is 3-phase.  There is attention to keep all the phases balanced and in phase.



1355  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: [Group Buy] Avalon ASIC Batch 3 [CLOSED- Seven 4 module Avalons ordered] on: March 27, 2013, 10:54:26 AM


Congrats to all for the amazing community effort. When markets seems to cut out small-time players, community's answer is organization and mutual support.

I organized my own buy group for spaniards, and we successfully ordered what I'm guessing will be the first ASIC machine running in our city.

GREAT!

I'm really glad to see a positive community action in the bitcoin world.
1356  Other / Off-topic / Re: I measured the density of my silver/gold coins... on: March 27, 2013, 10:48:54 AM
Very nice testing, molecular Cheesy I love it!

One of the most amazing demos is to hang a gold coin by two threads, so it will swing but not spin.  Place a super magnet just past the place where the coin will rest when it stops.  Lift the coin back, release it, and watch as it swings into the magnet and comes to a dead stop.

This is a variation of the "induced eddy current method" and it's totally cool.
That's a method that shows eddy currents, but the problem is, eddy currents happen in every metal. Sure, much more in gold or silver (less resistance), but it's hard to make this a quantitative method, suitable for testing if your coin is genuin.

The (molar) heat capacity might also be useful.  For background, read up on Trouton's rule.  The data you can collect at home is to heat your coin in boiling water, measure the temperature, put the coin into a thermos with a known amount of water, and measure the temperature rise.  You might want to arrange the volume of water so that the start and end temperature are on scale with a digital fever thermometer.

Then make a 2D plot, with density and heat capacity as the two axis. 

Any method that you use will easily detect some problems, and be blind to others.  Your own personal crooks will specialize in the blind spots that you have.  It is a locksmith - thief race.

1357  Economy / Computer hardware / Re: [WTS] Avalon ASIC Batch #2 Income Sharing on: March 27, 2013, 03:21:40 AM
I removed it because I wasn't active on these forums anymore and didn't want people wasting their BTC on me sending to a defunct address that I don't have the keys to anymore, but if you're going to offer, how can I refuse!

Wise man.

Also, I have substantially changed the opening post.
1358  Economy / Computer hardware / Re: [WTS] Avalon ASIC Batch #2 Income Sharing on: March 27, 2013, 01:57:49 AM
Regarding taxes:

http://fincen.gov/statutes_regs/guidance/html/FIN-2013-G001.html

For an explanation, http://www.grc.com/sn/sn-396.pdf starting on page 13.

Essentially, you don't have to worry until you convert it into fiat. I suppose if you bought physical goods worth over $600 that might be debatable, but just getting BTC is not regulated.

Quote
And actually there's one last thing I forgot. Under "De-Centralized Virtual Currencies" -
so, I mean, they're leaving no doubt here. They said: "A final type of convertible virtual
currency activity involves a de-centralized convertible virtual currency (1) that has no
central repository and no single administrator, and (2) that persons may obtain by their
own computing or manufacturing effort. A person that creates units of this convertible
virtual currency and uses it to purchase real or virtual goods and services is a user of the
convertible virtual currency and not subject to regulation as a money transmitter."

I have tipped one poster in the past.  You are a candidate for Nr. 2.  But I don't see any payment address in your signature.  I think that if you just update the signature, all your posts will show the new (current) one.
1359  Economy / Computer hardware / Re: [WTS] Avalon ASIC Batch #2 Income Sharing on: March 27, 2013, 01:39:43 AM


You forgot to change the difficulty.

I got this difficulty from https://blockchain.info/stats.  Should I use a different one?
1360  Economy / Computer hardware / Re: [WTS] Avalon ASIC Batch #2 Income Sharing on: March 27, 2013, 01:03:05 AM

Don't be upset. Just run proper calculations with http://www.bitcoinx.com/profit/ taking into account a) current difficult, b) difficulty projection based on last two weeks increase, c) profitability decline, d) hashrate taking into account you won't get 24/7 uptime

You will see that 99% it will be impossible to get 250BTC back in 50 days with batch 2 Avalon.

I have run a calculation from this page.
I entered these numbers:

Conversion Rate: 79.99 (The limit sell value on BitFloor at this time.)
Hash rate (MHash/s): 65,000.00 (the advertised rate)
Electricity rate (USD/kWh): 0.08192 (The expensive winter rate.)
Power consumption (W): 650
Cost of Mining Hardware: $1499 (Is there a page that is all BTC based?  I don't need to have USD involved)

Results
Hardware break even:  4 days
Net Profit first time frame (3 months): 31928.05 USD
$31,928.05 / 250 portions = $127.71 / portion = $127.71 paid for bitcoin = $127 / 77.99

That is 63% interest paid in 90 days.  This is not guaranteed.  It is just some numbers plugged into the suggested web page.  It is an illustration for your amusement only.  Things will go wrong.  Things always go wrong.



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