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1161  Economy / Goods / Re: Looking for someone to possibly sell me crumbled up paper balls soon on: May 23, 2013, 03:49:02 PM
There is a possibility that I might need to spend about 200 USD worth of bitcoins on something worthless in the near future. I'm thinking 200 crumbled paper balls. I'm not buying right now and might not buy at all, but I need the security of knowing that I have someone to go to if I do. Any takers?

I can provide several choices:

1.  Plain & crumpled.
2.  With almost useful math and/or chemistry doodling on them in #2 pencil.  Slightly smudged.  Guaranteed to have been thrown across the room and into a trash can in 1 attempt.  Occasional coffee watermark included at no extra charge.
3.  A variety of fluorescent colors, shipped in a nice acrylic container from the Container Store.
4.  Acid free cotton rag heirloom version.

1162  Economy / Computer hardware / Re: [WTS] Avalon ASIC Batch #2 Income Sharing, auction partially ends; block 235,532 on: May 23, 2013, 01:42:25 PM
This is still too confusing for me. Still not clear how much you have for sale, how the auction works, how you even bid, what the price even is...

Those are fairly important things to know.

1.  I am selling a total of 10 shares in a multiple-winner auction.  Thus far, 3 of those shares have been declared as final winners, 1 share is coming up to end now, and 6 shares are still open with no end block specified.

2.  The workings of the auction are these:  bidders make bids.  The high bids win.  There are multiple winning bidders, and multiple ending times.  I refund bids that don't win.

3.  You bid by making one or more payments from your address to the bid address, 17DCms43Vu2yusDjmpjHJuZihSSWkNzgSH  The total of your payments is your bid.  Some people find it difficult to use bitcoin-qt for this auction, and have more success using a wallet at bitchain.info.

4.  The price changes with each successful bid.  I think it is difficult to keep track and make swoop bids at the end.  At the moment, BTC 1.21000001 is the winning bid.

1163  Economy / Computer hardware / Re: [WTS] Avalon ASIC Batch #2 Income Sharing, auction partially ends; block 235,532 on: May 23, 2013, 01:11:29 PM
This has got way too complicated. Please tldr and simplify what you are offering, if anything currently.

It is indeed way too complicated.

This morning, I am closing out 1 share (1% of production) for the Batch #2 Avalon that has been purchased.
Bids must be included in the block-chain by block 237600, with a 10 block extension for each new winning bidder.  Payments go to address 17DCms43Vu2yusDjmpjHJuZihSSWkNzgSH
For the life of me, I can't figure out what "TL;DR" means.


tldr = too long, didnt read. Its a hyper short single sentence summary of typically giant blocks of text people post.

So you have just 1% on offer? What is the opening/current price? Its very, very hard to tell in this thread.

Yes, I need to have some real time software that digests the payments and gives a summary.
At the moment, bidder 1LktD4cXPmcJ75Sd2WgRs69rBZqNQd5L4P is in the lead.  The total of bids from that address are 1.210 000 01
Another bid has been submitted without miner's fees.  I don't usually see zero fee transactions included in a block at this time of day.

This is the final standing effective with block 237,601

Code:
count	address	received

These 4 are permanent winners.
5 1CwLwBgR16urEkcL5Su3LkzA7RYYqyjHy4 1.265000000    (permanent)
2 14Zqn3i1iDJzmkFCRjVqDe4YqgkrrmyEYd 1.23359794 (permanent)
3 1Fu4JaynbQrtkSPN73uoDqEPAxyzVfsqLu 1.21410000 (permanent)
7 1cCXNG5mNFkErBWtCLaVLA9fZrGAzFCB1 1.21100000 (permanent)

Code:
count	address	received

These are current top bidders
1 1Fm1mN7o16Te6PrkpgirWzZ2daibW9jdUD 1.26
4 1JzMp55NW22xjEE4QKUhN5iAmKyFnJSUDg 1.25950000
1 18NQjpGcUdjMnqgCCz3F3SZcQfMyCi5Kyv 1.24
5 1LktD4cXPmcJ75Sd2WgRs69rBZqNQd5L4P 1.21000001
5 18qDhkReMuFfciHshdpQhr3QhXZp82aWon 1.21000000
3 1Gor6F9rMXUhbKGT9iYRKpa4U4tW94Ycq8 1.20000000

1164  Economy / Computer hardware / Re: [WTS] Avalon ASIC Batch #2 Income Sharing, auction partially ends; block 235,532 on: May 23, 2013, 12:48:45 PM
This has got way too complicated. Please tldr and simplify what you are offering, if anything currently.

It is indeed way too complicated.

This morning, I am closing out 1 share (1% of production) for the Batch #2 Avalon that has been purchased.
Bids must be included in the block-chain by block 237600, with a 10 block extension for each new winning bidder.  Payments go to address 17DCms43Vu2yusDjmpjHJuZihSSWkNzgSH
For the life of me, I can't figure out what "TL;DR" means.


edited:
ROTFL
Too long; didn't read.
"omg you postwench. i can only say one thing in response - tl;dr"

Getting a short answer from a professor is like getting a thimble-full of water from a fire-hydrant.
1165  Economy / Computer hardware / Re: [WTS] Avalon ASIC Batch #2 Income Sharing [cancelled and reopened] to fund #3 on: May 23, 2013, 12:31:09 PM


SECOND PARTIAL END TO AUCTION
This announces another partial end for the auction.  Remember that the three bids above are permanent winners.  The highest remaining bid will be declared a permanent winner on or near this coming Friday, May 24.

The bidding will remain open with the possibility of extension until block number 237600.
If a bid is included in a block after 237590 and that address becomes the high bid and the auction is open, 10 is added to that block number to give the extended closing block.  That is, the auction is extended while bidding is active.
(The back end programmer, me, hates this complexity.)

The '1 hour' extension may keep some people up in the middle of the night.  That is not my intent.  I am completely comfortable making the extension for 25, 50, 100, 240, or another number of blocks.  Please feel free to ask for an alternate extension time.  


Looks like block creation is fairly fast. We are at block 237520 and it is only Thursday morning.
Don't forget to include miner's fees for last minute bids.
1166  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: [NEW CURRENCY] Maria 2.0 was banned, here is her proof. The birth of Bytecoin! on: May 23, 2013, 02:59:21 AM
I have 20k to sell

Will you continue mining?

1167  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: [NEW CURRENCY] Maria 2.0 was banned, here is her proof. The birth of Bytecoin! on: May 22, 2013, 11:52:23 PM
looking to sell some BTE - I have a few thousand, I think the last price on the exchange before it went down was around 0.0005...?  PM me and I'm sure we can make a deal.

Will

The network hash rate is pretty slow, and needs to be more stable.  Are you in a position to mine?

I am willing to discuss an exchange rate for newly mined coins that gives you the same BTC income you would have mining them directly.
 

potentially interested if you could set a price of BTE exchange at the rate (difficulty_bytecoin/difficulty_bitcoin) set at time the BTE was mined (currently 35794/11187257 = 0.0032) - as long as for each 1 freshly minted BTE I sell to you at this rate, you take 1 of my current stock of BTE at the same rate.

I think this is mutually beneficial to us both.

Will


Since I wrote this, I have run across this following link.  I may decide I want to keep very good records in this process.  http://www.pillsburylaw.com/siteFiles/Media/files/Alert%20-%202013-05-16-%20Consumer%20and%20Retail%20-%20FinCEN%20Issues%20Guidance%20on%20Virtual%20Currency.pdf

Yes, I think pegging the exchange rate that way is mutually fair and transparent.  I can't find my URL for the Bytecoin difficulty levels, so if you can quote a URL for an agreed on reference that would be great.  I am assuming that we can use sipa or blockchain.info to document the bitcoin difficulty.

Do you have a minimum purchase?  (Are other people interested in joining in, to help keep the block generation rate faster than a few a day?)

I have about 10% interest in an Avalon that will mine Bitcoin, so this deal might run for a while once it is delivered and producing.   

Rather than buying old coin at the new rate, I might make a 1 time purchase.  Is your 0.0005 exchange rate above in BTC/BTE?  So...perhaps 3,000 BTE for 1.5 BTC?  How many old coin do you have to sell?






1168  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: Starting an Adult/Porn 3D Virtual Reality company, need donations on: May 22, 2013, 01:21:33 PM
Yeah why would anyone want a VR porn game anyways? >.<

Because VR porn will satisfy you far more than a real human woman will. And once men start using VR sex, they will STOP using real life human women, and STOP getting married too. And then feminism is automatically destroyed.

My end goal is to destroy feminism. I will use technology to do so.

holy smokes! hahahahhahahahahhahhahahahahahaha Jealous of the "Pussy Power"

Guys in bars ask me how to get women to like them.  I tell them to get a kitten, and learn how to treat it so that it comes to them when they get home, instead of running under the couch.

They all curse and go away.  Then all the women listening in smile and come talk with me.


1169  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: [ANN] *Bytecoin* Giveaway-1 BTE per member on: May 21, 2013, 09:33:25 PM
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1170  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: Avalon orders - Batch#2 waiting list on: May 21, 2013, 03:43:51 PM

ProfMac; 1 unit; paid in Bitcoin on Feb 18; walletbit confirmed; no tracking; order number 21xx; email confirmation from both.
1171  Economy / Computer hardware / Re: [WTS] Avalon ASIC Batch #2 Income Sharing, auction partially ends; block 235,532 on: May 21, 2013, 05:33:07 AM
I think it's a fairly brilliant idea using the blockchain for auction purposes.

Can you explain the "partial auction" concept? I think it would be confusing for people who are just now seeing your auction to understand from the blockchain that the first 3 bids have already been won. 

Why not end the entire auction at a specific block number, and then start a new one if you wish to issue more shares?

block-chain
Thanks.  I think using the block-chain for auction is a very natural thing to do with Bitcoin.  If I had not done it, someone else would have.  There is even a web based auction site doing it now that I just learned about.  That is where I got the idea of using a certain block number to end the auction.

The idea of a multiple winner auction is also not my idea.  In the early years eBay had something they called a Dutch auction.  This was a multiple winner auction with slightly different rules.  A change that I made was to let the auctioneer change the number of winning bids.  This was to solve a practical problem.  If I announced a bid for 70 shares, but only had 50 serious bidders, I could end up selling shares in my Avalon for very small bids.  However, if I limited the auction to a small number of winning bids, I should be able to avoid the tiny bid problem, but I might have to turn away people who wanted to buy, at a time that I wanted to sell at their price.  That's where the rule came from where the auctioneer can change (typically expand) the number of winning bids.

partial ending
People were asking for the auction to end but I was not ready to end the whole auction.  I happened to notice that changing the number of winning bids moves the boundary at the bottom of the list.  However, the list has a top as well as a bottom.  So I thought, I'll just shorten the list at the top, and the people at the very top are now final winners, they are no longer active bidders in the auction, and they can't lose their place.  So I suddenly have this idea of partially ending an auction.  I have never heard of this idea before, and I would be grateful for any reference to it that anyone knows about.  I think this gives certainty to those people who want it.

Rules grow in an organic fashion no matter how much logic people try to use.  Laws grow from problems.  I had a specific problem that one bidder wanted to retract his bids, and I do not want to change any rule during an auction.  I don't mind introducing a new rule, however.  The partial ending rule would solve two problems for me at once.  It let the auction end for some people, and it would generate some new high bids and make the remorseful bidder lose his winning status, and I could return his funds while keeping a firm "no retractions" policy.

end and re-start to issue more shares
There is a side conversation going on.  Someone put another Batch #2 Avalon for sale yesterday with bids starting at BTC 100, and I wanted to raise another BTC 50 or so to bid on it.  I thought a new auction in a pristine thread might have some vigor.  So I opened another auction.  It really is a separate auction from this one, and the rules for it are tuned a little differently.  Dchou and I have been having a discussion about both auctions, and I thought some of our discussion should be public in this thread. 

One of the things that I changed in the new auction is to speak of a facility (or mining farm) and that the shares are for the entire facility, not one specific Avalon.  Since I have a useful number of shares for this Avalon that have not been sold, I am comfortable putting those shares into the facility before discussing it with current shareholders here. 

That auction is entirely separate from this one.

A partially ended auction does mean that some of the status is not visible in the block-chain.  I don't like that.  However, I think it would be very peculiar to send serious bids back to the bidders, and ask them to turn around and re-bid at a different address.  So, for now, there are 3 bids that are final winners, 7 bids that are winning but not final, a new block number to make an additional bidder into a final winner, and some of that information is here in the discussion and not in the block-chain itself. 


1172  Economy / Currency exchange / Re: WTS 100+ BTC on: May 20, 2013, 09:41:53 PM
Im looking to sell at least 100 btcs happy to use escrow or send first to VERY trusted members. I can accept cash via fedex overnight or some via boa transfer. Please post in here or message me if Interested. Thanks

Will you sell partial quantities?
Which is more important, fast, or price?
Is there a reason you don't sell on an exchange?
I have a BoA account.  What do you mean by "some?"


1173  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: Avalon batch [2] countdown! on: May 20, 2013, 07:03:59 PM
After 2 months of delay where their customers lost 200+btc per Avalon?

You did not lose them.  You never had them.

As ProfMac, I could insert the obligatory Robert Burns quote here.
1174  Economy / Computer hardware / Re: [WTS] Avalon ASIC Batch #2 Income Sharing [cancelled and reopened] to fund #3 on: May 20, 2013, 06:57:21 PM
I have decided to announce that a portion of the auction will end.  Conveniently, my birthday is Friday, May 10, and I have chosen a block with a pleasing number that may fall on that day as the closing block for the auction.

I should be clear on how a portion of an auction ends.  The highest 3 winning bids will become permanent winners, and that portion of the auction is closed.

To be considered, your bid must be included in or before block 235,532.  If you find that time is short, you may pray a higher mining fee for any last minute transactions.

Is this still valid? And if so, are the top three bids up to block 235,532 as follows?:

1   14Zqn3i1iDJzmkFCRjVqDe4YqgkrrmyEYd   1.23359794 BTC
2   1Fu4JaynbQrtkSPN73uoDqEPAxyzVfsqLu   1.2141 BTC
3   1cCXNG5mNFkErBWtCLaVLA9fZrGAzFCB1   1.211 BTC

And many happy returns on your birthday ProfMac!

I continue to receive feedback that it is important to end the auction.  I keep thinking the bidding will become active again when the units are being shipped, but I will make the following announcement.

SECOND PARTIAL END TO AUCTION
This announces another partial end for the auction.  Remember that the three bids above are permanent winners.  The highest remaining bid will be declared a permanent winner on or near this coming Friday, May 24.

The bidding will remain open with the possibility of extension until block number 237600.
If a bid is included in a block after 237590 and that address becomes the high bid and the auction is open, 10 is added to that block number to give the extended closing block.  That is, the auction is extended while bidding is active.
(The back end programmer, me, hates this complexity.)

The '1 hour' extension may keep some people up in the middle of the night.  That is not my intent.  I am completely comfortable making the extension for 25, 50, 100, 240, or another number of blocks.  Please feel free to ask for an alternate extension time. 
1175  Economy / Exchanges / Re: bitfloor issues? on: May 20, 2013, 05:37:23 PM
Yes, and just in case anybody has any lingering dreams of getting their money back any time in the next few weeks, sorry to ruin your dreams... but here's an indication of how hard Roman is working on your problem. This is his Twitter feed, updated just moments ago: (https://twitter.com/defunctzombie)

-------------------

    Roman Shtylman ‏@defunctzombie 18 May
    @substack @Raynos chilling in the bay area for the next few weeks. Would like to hop around and need places to crash.

    Jake Verbaten Jake Verbaten ‏@Raynos 19 May
    @defunctzombie let me know when

    Roman Shtylman Roman Shtylman ‏@defunctzombie 1h ago
    @Raynos anytime from now till end of month Smiley whatever is best for you. I am just hanging in the area.

    Jake Verbaten Jake Verbaten ‏@Raynos 18m ago
    @defunctzombie I have space tonight, just let me know.

    Roman Shtylman Roman Shtylman ‏@defunctzombie 10m ago
    @Raynos sweet! I am renting a car right now. Shoot me an email with where I should go. I have a lunch meeting but nothing after that.

-------------------

You know .. he's 'just hangin in the area' .. cuz there aint nothin important waiting for his attention.

Anybody care to wager on whether or not he will wait until he's back from San Francisco to finish dealing with Bitfloor customers?

If even then?


If I wanted to be a money transmitter and had some funds, I think I would go to bitcoin2013, meet some West Coast VC people, meet with some banks, and enter into some agreements.  Might especially look for a small bank or exchange that wants to shelter my technology.

My tweets might look a lot like Roman's.  I certainly would not disclose names and meeting times.


1176  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: [NEW CURRENCY] Maria 2.0 was banned, here is her proof. The birth of Bytecoin! on: May 20, 2013, 05:21:09 PM
looking to sell some BTE - I have a few thousand, I think the last price on the exchange before it went down was around 0.0005...?  PM me and I'm sure we can make a deal.

Will


The network hash rate is pretty slow, and needs to be more stable.  Are you in a position to mine?

I am willing to discuss an exchange rate for newly mined coins that gives you the same BTC income you would have mining them directly.


 
1177  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: DIY PCB with AVALON: "The Quarter Stick" on: May 20, 2013, 05:06:46 PM
Latest update for peer review:

https://www.dropbox.com/s/dstypt5mqgeiz5y/DIY_AVALON.sch.0.3.pdf?v=0swn

Please let me know what you guys think.

There might be a thing or two more I would like to nitpick, but this is pretty close to final.

Thanks



I have some rudimentary Eagle skill.

I wonder if I can get a copy of the Eagle files for this?

1178  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: Avalon batch [2] countdown! on: May 20, 2013, 04:45:41 AM
I believe this would be a better graph to look at. The purple line is the 3-day estimate. For the period I brought up (May 13-16) it is a lot more coherent. The slow decline bet. May 14 and May 19 could be the FPGAs being turned off. Pools like BTC Guild are kicking them all out at this point because they cannot use the stratum servers and they want to switch off their getwork servers (old stuff).

[ ... ]

Even a three day estimate is too short. The 14 day window estimate is more useful.

Thing is, that to create such massive changes in the network you need a large number of people in different timezones to act at exactly the same time. That drop looks to be about 10 Thps - it's more likely that this drop is due at least in part to variance, rather than 12500 800Mhps FPGAs being switched off.

What you say might be possible, but it is by no means even close to being provable.


It could be a combination of ASICs coming offline (Avalon mining with batch#2 before shipping them on the 13th), then online (people receiving them and turning them on) and all at the same time FPGAs leaving the pools. Long shot for an explanation but something seems the have been going on in that period.





People mining alt coins?
1179  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: Avalon batch [2] countdown! on: May 20, 2013, 04:19:53 AM

Again, no. Sorry! This is all very tricky and I suggest you read about non-homogenous Poisson processes and the geometric distribution. Variance will increase as the hashrate increases, but it will remain a nearly constant proportion of the hashrate.


Now you're just throwing crazy words out there left and right! Do you realize how much time it would take someone to google all these words?

  • non-homogenous
  • Poisson processes
  • geometric distribution
  • Variance

 Grin

Is there any reason you chose the most extreme values in the red graph, when you also had the choice of some more moderate values in the green graph, when you were trying to understand what was happening?



Neither of them should be used. Did you quote the wrong person?


Yeah.  I meant josh_nc.  I'm more interested in why he made his choices, vis-a-vie interpreting such random things as "the hockey stick" than I am a high finess resolution of which model is best.

1180  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: Avalon batch [2] countdown! on: May 20, 2013, 03:58:31 AM

Again, no. Sorry! This is all very tricky and I suggest you read about non-homogenous Poisson processes and the geometric distribution. Variance will increase as the hashrate increases, but it will remain a nearly constant proportion of the hashrate.


Now you're just throwing crazy words out there left and right! Do you realize how much time it would take someone to google all these words?

  • non-homogenous
  • Poisson processes
  • geometric distribution
  • Variance

 Grin

Is there any reason you chose the most extreme values in the red graph, when you also had the choice of some more moderate values in the green graph, when you were trying to understand what was happening?

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