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5361  Economy / Speculation / Re: Jan 18 FUD: PBoC: Investors should pay attention to the potential risks of the p on: January 18, 2017, 05:47:04 PM
this is bad news.

is this the reason of this big dump?

what dump? you people seem to forget what price has been before the so called dump. it was $810ish and now it is $870 dump is if price went from $810 to $600 that is called dump but when (like what happened yesterday) price rises first and comes back down a little it is called correction and over all rise.

Price was $901 prior to the dump. 

On Bitfinex it fell 6% to $848 before the rebound.

all i am saying is that there is no need to be so dramatic about the fall, because it started from $800 and now it is at 870 (or even at your bottom it was still $43 above the price it started from.

it is a correction
5362  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: The future looks fantastic, kids love Bitcoin on: January 18, 2017, 05:24:30 PM
I really understand that kids today are the citizens of tomorrow; but I find extremely difficult to explain the bitcoin processes in a kid. Even with fiat money is really difficult to explain how it works. So imagine how to describe that bitcoin is a piece of code and this is money. I initially prefer speak to them about fiat, after about credit/debit cards and about 16+ when they are in High school about bitcoin where they have learned some things from IT and Economics lessons


obviously it is not even a good idea to talk about bitcoin with kids of low ages such as in elementary! i think when most people here say kids they mean 16+ and that is understandable because they are mostly understanding newer technologies and won't find it strange and can easily understand how bitcoin works compared to a 60 year old
5363  Economy / Economics / Re: The 2.5 million dollar Bitcoin on: January 18, 2017, 05:01:04 PM
There's 5 trillion USD worth of hard fiat currency in circulation.

There's 40 trillion USD worth of liquid fiat currency total (currency + checking accounts)

A 40 trillion market cap for bitcoin would mean that BTC = $2,500,000

This 40 trillion represents the whole market that bitcoin is "competing" in against fiat currency (and alt coins), and doesn't take into account BTC's use as a store of value--gold, for example, has a 4 trillion USD value.  So if fiat currency became worthless, that's the bottom for BTC (bottom because it doesn't include potential market cap hikes from the derivatives market and institutional $ investments that are to come)

well first of all your IF is a big IF that is not going to happen.

also you are restricting your calculation to only US, you should take into consideration that the whole world is using bitcoin not US so you have to consider all the fiat currencies in the circulation not just USD.

but also at the same time i don't like this comparison because as i said fiat is not going anywhere. and in the end not all people are going to use bitcoin but they are all using fiat.
5364  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: How to Create Bitcoin Papper Wallet. ? on: January 18, 2017, 04:51:37 PM
is a paper wallet the has never been printed still a paper wallet? I dont print mine out i store them electronically all over the place encrypted.

technically you can not call it paper wallet since that word means a wallet that is printed on paper!
if you are looking for a cold storage, then it is a different story.
as long as you have created the private keys offline and in a air tight computer and encrypted and stored them safely then you can consider it cold storage.
5365  Economy / Speculation / Re: Jan 18 FUD: PBoC: Investors should pay attention to the potential risks of the p on: January 18, 2017, 04:44:19 PM
this is bad news.

is this the reason of this big dump?

what dump? you people seem to forget what price has been before the so called dump. it was $810ish and now it is $870 dump is if price went from $810 to $600 that is called dump but when (like what happened yesterday) price rises first and comes back down a little it is called correction and over all rise.
5366  Economy / Speculation / Re: Silence! accumulation? on: January 17, 2017, 05:38:35 PM
I guess accumulation is almost done Grin  Getting sideways means we gonna see an uptrend soon.  But I think this depends on the next press release about Bitcoin and other factors affecting traders reaction.  If a good news is being stressed this following week, I think we are up for the next uptrend of Bitcoin price.

if the rise stops at $890-$910 and like always starts struggling around this price i wouldn't expect much news release regarding bitcoin but if you saw a rise bigger than that in a couple of days (max 1 week) from now you are going to see this topic again: "China bans bitcoin" of course like the last 100 times it would be pure FUD.
5367  Economy / Economics / Re: Difference of Trading and Investing? on: January 17, 2017, 05:26:11 PM
the investopedia links above are explanatory enough but in my opinion you can say trading is an investment that you need to work on it too. but the opposite is not true.
generally when you invest, you don't do anything apart from hoping that what you invested in becomes successful and gives you money (profit) but when you trade, you invest your money and have to work on making that profit happen.
5368  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: January 17, 2017, 05:19:18 PM
^$900 close ~ street price in India prolly still 1000+  Cool  *anyone over there?*

not from there but in the streets of India apart from rivers of poo, bitcoin price is 66600.0 (~$980 according to xe.com) Cheesy
5369  Bitcoin / Mining / Re: How to calculate/verify daily bitcoins mined by particular mining company? on: January 17, 2017, 05:02:33 PM
Thank you BrewMaster for explanation. I checked the each block and noticed that reward for each block is 12.5 thus if someone is mining in private pool and found 10 blocks then for that day total return would be 125 bitcoins + 0.69552371 * 10) = 131.9552371 per day

If in owner of private pool allows other miners to mine then how much pool owner earn? 

the reward halves approximately every 4 years (every 210,000 blocks) already happened twice from 50 to 25 and as you see today to 12.5BTC

the fee amount is not fixed in all blocks, you have to find them one by one (0.69552371 is only for one of the blocks) they are usually about 0.5 to 1.5
so it would be 10 * 12.5 + (fee of 1st block + fee of 2nd block + .... fee of 10th block)

i have never mined so i am not sure about this but how much each individual miners earns when connected to a pool depends on how much share they get based on their hashrate and how much fees the pool is going to take and how they share the earnings.
and the earning of the pool owner is from those fees AFAIK.

https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Comparison_of_mining_pools
5370  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Why would banks use a blockchain? on: January 16, 2017, 03:58:10 PM
Blockchains don't really offer anything a bank would need.   

They have perfectly good ways of storing and processing transactions already.  With Btc addresses and transactions are publicly visible.  I don't want my bank account and details visible to the world.  Unless you had unique, one shot payment addresses, it would be simple to create a wiki mapping addresses onto organisations and eventually people.  Then there is processing.  Btc only works as it pays miners to verify transactions.  There is no way a bank would give over its processing to a third party that wasn't 100% legit.  Would it run all its miners/verification in house?  How do you explain the 51% threat to a bank?

The openness of block chains isn't really relevant to huge organisations. 

who said anything about bitcoin, anything about being public, or showing the source code?

this is my speculation based on what i have read:
it is the technology they are going to use. which means a blockchain that they will use "internally" hidden from eyes of anyone outside. they will have their own internal miners and everything will be centralized and closed source. so there is no blockchain for you and me to see, there is no miner that we can attack 51% Smiley
by doing this they can have super fast, and extremely secure way of transactions with zero possibility of any kind of attack in the middle.

and also there are anonymous transactions that can be used even if the blockchain is public. so it can solve the problem of privacy.
5371  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Crypto Portfolio Discussion on: January 16, 2017, 03:44:04 PM
i am 100% in bitcoin.
but i use it to trade altcoins, i don't consider what i do as investing in altcoins because it is too short and i don't keep them for long, in other words i dump fast enough to get back in bitcoin.
however i am doing it with a small percentage of my coins, something around 40% which changes from time to time.
5372  Economy / Speculation / Re: Who made big money? on: January 16, 2017, 03:24:03 PM
Just a couple of weeks ago bitcoin was blasting over $1000, so I am wondering if anyone made big money by selling their BTC? Now it has came down to $830, even if last week it was close to $900, so I am not seeing getting back to $1000 anytime soon. Any profits or regrets here?  Roll Eyes

why would you want to know, and those who have made big profit are never going to announce it here!
surely there have been many who sold and bought and made profit and loss. that is how any market works. some experienced traders are always silently making their money while the rest of us talking here to ourselves Cheesy
5373  Bitcoin / Mining / Re: How to calculate/verify daily bitcoins mined by particular mining company? on: January 16, 2017, 03:13:14 PM
well you can't and it is a pretty hard thing to do.
what important thing you have to know is that unless the pools are announcing they mined that block or they mine to a known bitcoin address, there is no way of knowing which pool/farm mined which block.

considering that, when you click on the link like this: https://blockchain.info/blocks/BTC.com you see the blocks they (supposedly) have mined, then clicking on each block hash you can see the timestamp of each block, add up the reward+fees and that is how much each of them earned in the time-frame you have in mind.

example: https://blockchain.info/block/0000000000000000032adcc90c8f7b24d12a0ef83d12093b0a21a543d2986551 found by BTC.com
has 2017-01-16 14:19:46 as timestamp
reward: 12.5 + 0.69552371
now go back to timestamp bigger than or equal to 2017-01-15 14:19:46 for last 24 hour

this(https://blockchain.info/address/3NA8hsjfdgVkmmVS9moHmkZsVCoLxUkvvv) seems to be the address they mine to, you can use things like this to add up how much each pool is mining too.

you can also write a quick code to get the raw block information then add up the reward + fee based on the timestamp in the raw block
5374  Economy / Economics / Re: What would happen if Bitcoin became a legal currency? on: January 16, 2017, 03:09:09 PM
You are right. Bitcoin is already a legal currency in some countries.
Which country? Does that country have made law administration of bitcoin?

i just answered this to someone else in another topic:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1294465.msg17522642#msg17522642
there are many countries that have announced bitcoin as a legal currency or commodity and these are only big countries with lots of bitcoin user. the rest are aware of bitcoin and said it is legal but didn't announce it big time since there aren't that many users.

you can also see this:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legality_of_bitcoin_by_country
5375  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: What would happen if BTC was Banned? on: January 16, 2017, 03:01:27 PM
Now, Bitcoin is not accepted by government but it's still important with many people who are loving it. If bitcoin was banned, the investors and also bitcoiners would use it in digital world however bitcoin would be narrow in crypto currency world. I'm sure that this fact will not happen in the future.

many countries have accepted it as a legal thing. the government have also announced it. for example
- Chinese government has announced that bitcoin is legal and trading it is allowed.
- Japan announced bitcoin as a legal currency and usage of it as currency or for trading is legal.
- US also regulated bitcoin trading and has even issued licence to many businesses.
- Canada done some stuff that i can not remember at the moment.
- Russia is supporting bitcoin and its technology and has allowed trading bitcoin.
- and many more.
5376  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Bitcoin User Polls - come participate! on: January 15, 2017, 06:02:07 PM
i suggest putting all of these in one place, preferably somewhere trusted like google (i think it is called survey) and you can add all the questions in one link and then post it here and on reddit, maybe twitter if you have an account with bitcoin followers.
one good thing about it is that google will draw charts easily for you too.

also it helps make a relationship between these, for example you can see the relationship between Age and Income.
5377  Other / Off-topic / Re: What do you want to buy online with Bitcoin, bu can't find? on: January 15, 2017, 05:57:20 PM
I think there's a funny thing about bitcoin, every crypto enthusiast want bitcoin to be a main currency, but almost everyone not willing to spend  bitcoin because they are waiting for the big rise.

haha, that is true and the main reason for it is because bitcoin price is so volatile. when people think what they have is going to worth a lot more in a while they won't spend. but if price becomes more stable, they will be more willing to spend bitcoin.

and to answer your question i have to say nothing much, mostly digital things. but mainly i want the places already available for those things to start accepting bitcoin not a third party because that really is not spending bitcoin unless it is at a discount and at a trusted place.
5378  Economy / Trading Discussion / Re: Market Panic can drive BTC prices Lower on: January 15, 2017, 04:18:13 PM
Good read, and no harm to repeat points as a way of constantly urging each of us to continuously promote and advocate for bitcoin.

To be honest, I don't quite understand why there would be market panic - the price surge was a bit sudden and it was bound for a correction.

I bit, therefore I am.

i don't quite understand the reason for a market panic either, but generally it is because there are too many weak hands in the market and whenever there is a price change they all start thinking things are over and get scared so they start selling to not lose money and when it starts it can not be stopped until they are flushed out.
5379  Economy / Trading Discussion / Re: How to buy on Poloniex? on: January 15, 2017, 04:07:43 PM
you should explain which part is that you are failing at. i can not tell from your comment!

you deposit an amount (a very small amount may not be credited to your balance since many exchanges have some rules about these things, check this out first) then after you saw that in your balance tab you go to the ETH market and fill in the boxes related to buy order.
set the price and total amount to buy (you can click on your balance to automatically have that filled) if 0.0001 is the minimum on polo then you can place an order.

was this clear?
5380  Economy / Speculation / Re: Do you think we will break the $2000 mark some day? on: January 15, 2017, 03:56:59 PM
I am just wondering if the $2000 mark is realistic for the next years... what is you opinion?

if i was a betting man i would bet on the price to go to $2000 and more in a year or so.

so far we have seen price rise from 0.01 to 1 dollar and that is one 100x rise and then from $1 to $10 which is another 10x rise and then there was the rise from $1 to $20 and then $200 and finally in 2013 we were proven that price can go to $1000+ and that is 10000x rise overall.
in other words nothing is saying a teeny tiny 2x rise from 1000 to 2000 can not happen.
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