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February 27, 2014, 11:39:14 PM
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Looks some some kind of dark order resistance above 590 - every time it goes up there, there's this dump into the bid.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zP2m95JAD4g&t=60
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February 27, 2014, 11:40:43 PM
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+1

PS: Do people hate "+1" comments?  They might seem to be empty of meaning, but I think they matter  Smiley .


I was going to post "Hear, hear" but +1 is perfectly acceptable  Smiley
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February 27, 2014, 11:42:36 PM
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+1

PS: Do people hate "+1" comments?  They might seem to be empty of meaning, but I think they matter  Smiley .


I was going to post "Hear, hear" but +1 is perfectly acceptable  Smiley

+1
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February 27, 2014, 11:42:59 PM
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Only if you have been staring at the charts for too long.  Its looking good, don't get me wrong, but this is hardly a clear outbreak yet.
You are either with us or against us.

...or with the terrorists, remember?
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February 27, 2014, 11:44:46 PM
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Only if you have been staring at the charts for too long.  Its looking good, don't get me wrong, but this is hardly a clear outbreak yet.
You are either with us or against us.

...or with the terrorists, remember?
By definition, if you are not with us, you are a terrorist  Wink.
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February 27, 2014, 11:46:41 PM
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+1

PS: Do people hate "+1" comments?  They might seem to be empty of meaning, but I think they matter  Smiley .


I was going to post "Hear, hear" but +1 is perfectly acceptable  Smiley

They are somewhat relevant, but I think when your last 4 posts say nothing else, perhaps you are a post whore, and just make reading this thread that much harder for the rest.  Endless 'me too' and circle jerking posts make me throw up a little bit in my mouth... and exercise the ignore button. To each it's own.
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February 27, 2014, 11:49:22 PM
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<RogerVer> On Tuesday Mark told me via text message: Currently filing for bankruptcy and will update based on that
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February 27, 2014, 11:51:29 PM
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Hence the term "capitalism".   We understand that when we place savings in shares of a growing company, our savings are put to work by that company, productively, and yield a reward in dividends paid from cashflow and/or appreciation due to growth, all of which are general benefits (at least as long as the management and organization is not sociopathic, which turns out to be a bad assumption).  Why is it so difficult to understand that holding bitcoin yields value appreciation realized in purchasing power?  It is a share in a distributed corporation, governed not by contemporaneous management by the pre-programmed management embodied in the code running on the nodes of the network.  It is adding value by creating social benefits.  The market prices those benefits.  Shareholders are rewarded for providing investment capital by buying those shares which we call bitcoin.
Please stop comparing bitcoin to stocks. It is kind of annoying how people like to describe bitcoin by whatever suits the particular argument. In general it's a currency, but when an argument arises that it is a currency of low quality, then it suddenly becomes a stock. And If I explain that if bitcoin is a stock, then you are buying stock from a company that actually uses it's resources without any gain, then I'l bet it becomes a commodity. Imagine a company that digs a hole, then covers it up again, then digs it again and repeats the process to eternity. But the company is saying that this use of resources is very constructive, and some fools believe it. This would be the case if bitcoin would be anywhere near in being a stock. But, bitcoin is not a stock and it's nowhere close to being a stock. It's a commodity at best.

If the world's "wealth" -- meaning energy consumption -- continues increasing exponentially then we will all die in fire.  If that is your inflationary paradise, we have very different world-views.
I agree with you here, that this is a matter of different world views. One view says that we have to conserve our resources, because if they end then there will be nothing left to consume. The other view tells that we have to consume resources to discover new resources to use on our benefit. I tend to fall on the second view.

No, everyone who is brainwashed by the Keynesian school "knows" that.  It is a false knowledge, which has never been true, as history demonstrates abundantly.
Now, this got interesting! Tell me how is it false knowledge and tell me when has history proven that it is false knowledge.

Your complaint about bitcoin boils down to this:  You can't force people to use their savings on what you want them to use it for.  I regard that as a feature, not a bug.
If an country would adopt this "feature" in it's currency then it will soon fall behind competitiveness, because it hurts both trade and production. That is why countries are not using this model. The bitcoin community isn't a pack of tortured geniuses who knows the answer how to prosper, while the rest of the world is just so dumb, that they wont understand the enlightened truth. This is the work of the cult mentality that I've been talking about.

You don't see the store of wealth use case as a beneficial one.  I do.
Speculative investment is not store of wealth. If someone sees a commodity, that's value is purely based on speculation as a good store of wealth, then that someone shouldn't handle money. Speculative value is a fragile thing that can appear and disappear very very fast.

Why should any more resources be used to run the network than those which add economic value?  Why should any less resources be used, for that matter?  Ah I see, again you aspire to be a central planner.  Why is your planning better than a soviet appatchik's, or a western central banker's?  Both are miserable failures.  It is hubris, effrontery, to pretend to know better how to price money than does the invisible hand.
This last line is a little hard to understand what point you are actually trying to make. Is it "if you don't like work that has no gain or vision, then you are a soviet central planner or an evil banker". If I'll buy myself a 1mil.$ supercomputer to play Doom 2, then will I become Of the People and For the People, like the bitcoin community is? Or will I just be really smart for my thorough and constructive investment and use of resources?
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February 27, 2014, 11:51:45 PM
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<RogerVer> On Tuesday Mark told me via text message: Currently filing for bankruptcy and will update based on that


does anyone knows what happens next?

are we going to get back any fiat or btc?
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February 27, 2014, 11:53:08 PM
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<RogerVer> On Tuesday Mark told me via text message: Currently filing for bankruptcy and will update based on that


does anyone knows what happens next?

are we going to get back any fiat or btc?

Roger Ver has lied before, expect this as well is either not him or he is lying.
Remember earlier this week....shrem and ver saying all is ok and good news coming...ignore, ignore, ignore these posts
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February 27, 2014, 11:54:23 PM
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<RogerVer> On Tuesday Mark told me via text message: Currently filing for bankruptcy and will update based on that
My guess is the shit hit the fan for Gox between the start and the abrupt end of the acquisition of their US customers by Coinlab.
There was probably a reason why they were "reluctant" to turn over those accounts.
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February 27, 2014, 11:55:03 PM
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woohoo, just got home and bitstamp looking ready to pop. To my memory when the oscillations flatten out like that, it usually means that we could see a quick move soon, usually to the upside...

though if I had to bet right now, I would bet on it going off a cliff rather than to the moon, luckily I placed my bets at 450 and I'm holding on to them tightly.
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February 27, 2014, 11:55:07 PM
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Bitcoin is about to break out in some direction in next few hours... lets see what happens
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February 27, 2014, 11:55:34 PM
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Roger Ver has lied before, expect this as well is either not him or he is lying.
Remember earlier this week....shrem and ver saying all is ok and good news coming...ignore, ignore, ignore these posts


thank you for that... Smiley


what about this?

Does this tx mean Mark is doing some tests?

http://blockchain.info/tx/498b59cb7a168e6ebc4a4ba5fa06cde95030a2f644f018f55d91a4fbd1524077
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February 27, 2014, 11:55:35 PM
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...what I have understood is that bitcoin isn't a good invention, but it's a good innovation...

The blockchain man, it is a fucking invention, the world had to wait 30 years for this one after public key cryptography was invented.

While I agree, that blockchain is the part that could be classified as an invention the most. Then I still have to say that I see it more as an innovation, because it is built on already created inventions in cryptography. I think that blockchain is a great innovation, but I also think that it will be as great of an innovation in the future as iPhone1 is right now.
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February 28, 2014, 12:02:56 AM
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February 28, 2014, 12:05:58 AM
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<RogerVer> On Tuesday Mark told me via text message: Currently filing for bankruptcy and will update based on that

These messages will give me a hart attack one day  Wink
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February 28, 2014, 12:06:52 AM
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No, everyone who is brainwashed by the Keynesian school "knows" that.  It is a false knowledge, which has never been true, as history demonstrates abundantly.
Now, this got interesting! Tell me how is it false knowledge and tell me when has history proven that it is false knowledge.

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-02-17/hayek-keynes-economics-was-sideline-him  Kiss
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February 28, 2014, 12:10:10 AM
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<RogerVer> On Tuesday Mark told me via text message: Currently filing for bankruptcy and will update based on that


does anyone knows what happens next?

are we going to get back any fiat or btc?

If the bitcoinica case is any indication, then pretty much nothing.  Some official or some such will ask for everyone's information on how much they're owed by Gox and so on and so forth, and then nothing will happen after that and nobody will get anything back.  
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February 28, 2014, 12:10:36 AM
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what about this?

Does this tx mean Mark or someone from MtGox is doing some tests?

or just someone send to them?

http://blockchain.info/tx/498b59cb7a168e6ebc4a4ba5fa06cde95030a2f644f018f55d91a4fbd1524077
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