those are quite damning if you had a sig on at the time and can be demonstrated to have done this for no other reason that gaining financially.

however a precedent has been set that even financially motivated copy and pasters can be reinstated depending == well I do not know the exact criteria.

I suspect even if you are allowed back then you will have no sig for a few years.  

I can't recall the guys that were allowed back after getting busted for financially motivated copy and paste but someone will point you to that case so you can make a sensible comparison in terms of the net value you bring to the community. Then you can make an informed choice regarding whether it is worth the time and effort to push the appeal.

I always take interest when a legend is banned because that is not something that is easy to replace now and if you are truly sorry then perhaps a harsh uppercut in the face like this is enough to stop you doing it again in future, then total destruction can be avoided.

If you are a real enthusiast you will not care about losing your sig for a few years anyway and will be happy to be able to keep contributing here regardless of direct payment.

I have not seen a legend with that few posts before.

I support all but total maniac copy and pasters that are legends to be given a sig ban and not get a perm ban. I imagine all legends have contributed something of worth over the years.

Make a case of the net positive contributions you have made and list them here. That could well help your cause.

Theymos is often quite fair so if nobody else helps then PM him if you have done some good here on the forum and say you will not mind a few years sig ban.

Hate to see peope who have been here 5yrs kicked out if they still believe in this movement.

that red pill starting to kick in slightly?

@stompix

Talking of rank / merit / trust resulting in giving your opinions more weight...


when you get legendary status..will your sig spam rate not increase though? that is surely going to be useful?

What opinions do you have that I can evaluate and give an objective critique. I mean surely even you must realise some subjective gamed metric is likely to be of low value, if not misleading, and that you need to analyse each opinion/post upon its own REAL merit right? .

I'm sure most people that are actually interested in obtaining valuable information will read each post free from any misconceptions based upon these ridiculous and dangerous subjective metrics.

I would say having a sig spamming away for something that is obviously for financial reasons only.. is likely to detract from your pearls of wisdom far as much as anything else you have mentioned.  Just a friendly tip.

I agree this is one of the thing that could certainly indicate a change of ownership but alone may not be conclusive proof either way.

Ha, I like it too. I mean where would be the fun in bct without people like them making false allegations that they find impossible to substantiate over and over again. Or demonstrating observable double standards and all rewarding each other for observably untrustworthy actions whilst trying to punish others who are guilty of way way less.
My fav when they spout ludicrous crap in public and then don't admit it was a mistake and keep repeating it ...haha

"Why I'm here is simple, i want to help grow the altcoin discussions and help them mature more. Merit for all intensive purposes is fatally flawed and skewed, i don't agree with the system, but my vision is not short-sided to understand the overall impact (good and bad) for ANNs/Bounties specifically. If i can help change that in altcoins, then i will take that opprtunity to help. There are two reasons I still use Bitcointalk 1) to help provide insight, 2) to learn about new coins. "

That's the best part of your application. Demonstrates some capacity to make an objective critical evaluation but still strive to make the best of a terrible situation.




I would support someone who is semi realistic about the merit system to become a merit source. Of course it is the worst thing ever implemented on this board, but with a few tweaks it could remain useful without all of the dangers it brings.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5088852.0

If she has STRONG evidence to suggest they are alts of prior scammers and they are demonstrating scamming set up tactics then I guess she is within the guidelines. ALTHOUGH she would be better insisting they advertise in a way that offers some buyer protection or does not look like they are getting set up to get shafted and remove the tags if they do so.

Tagging on the assumption they are someone else or on the assumption they will scan with out STRONG evidence and compelling case is still completely wrong and should be cause for DT removal.

If you think she is going to tag you and you have not and do not intend to scam then make a rep thread with a strong case and it will perhaps get looked into.

Try actmyname or darkstar or someone who is perhaps more likely to give you a fairer appraisal.

Better when selling if you can create an environment which is safe for both sides ie trusted long term escrow.

If persons use sale methods that generally end up in the buyer getting ripped off then I guess a temp red tag warning is okay until they revise their method or open the thread and allow a post that demonstrates the buyer is vulnerable under those conditions.

Strictly speaking the onus should be on the buyer to get their own brain and not need to be baby sat through everything which means sadly some honest people who were not intending to scam will have their account ruined as collateral damage. I mean if you are sending irreversible funds first then you know you can get fucked you need to do as much homework as possible to mitigate the risks.

TLDR

advertise, don't use a method that looks like you are setting up to scam, if you get red tagged and you say you had created a sensible sale  environment then you should get it over turned.

BINGO

Actually relying on any subjective metric that you can NOT provide a compelling case to demonstrate is not unfair, untrustworthy and shady leaves you open and the project open to serious and damaging criticism.

If you want clarity on what I mean there then just ask.

Manual review is the only way. If i were a project I would be very careful about the kind of subjective/misleading metrics  .
my campaign manager used as thresholds for entry.

It should be first come first served unless you can provide clear case that stands up to scrutiny why the person should not be allowed. Anything else could destroy the projects/your rep for good.

Campaign manager is a precarious position and one that needs to be squeaky squeaky clean. You also need a very credible and compelling case that will appear fair and trustworthy to present as the basis for every decision you take.

haha the ladiez are all here again, panting away hard for cryptohunters attention.

Never read, don't give a fuck, on ignore, never replying on his threads again, he's so stupid but I can't find any examples, I hate (that I can't breed with) him, he smells (lovely i bet) sniff sniff


haha I love you guys. Please keep bumping my threads and NOT reading, not giving a fuck, keeping me on ignore, never replying in my threads, not finding any examples of your false claims, hating, loving....

I can't imagine life without you babez. I just need lauda herself in here next then we'll really be rocking.

Anyway back on topic girlz. Or perhaps you were just giving text book trolling examples?

They look the other way when there is undeniable evidence of scammers lying for financial gain, trust abusing and general net negative actions with obvious greedy financial motives behind them.

I wouldn't complain too much though hey, imagine they looked your way.

I mean sure this bumping ico junk is totally annoying. It is not pure scamming though and....

I actually believe that the suggestion to prevent bumping by new accounts that do not reach x threshold merit/activity was one of the better ones that someone else has suggested recently. Then higher level accounts busted doing it can just be smacked down to 0 merit again. Risky.

I guess they have actually a lot of snitching to work through for minor infractions, hence why I feel it best to stick to snitching the most dangerous and shady stuff only until we are on top of that.

Coolcryptovator - thanks for background will take a look.

Not involved in? actions of DT and mods concern the entire board. They have wide implications and can set precedents.

Derailing by asking direct questions relating to the OP? haha

Please stop stalking me if you care so little for me haha

Imagine the attention that you pay the people who you do care about .... lol

Don't refer to the pharmacist in that way. He said he's heard others call it cardboard "city" ..towns are too provincial

Just keep on topic and answer the questions in your own words if you like or don't. I don't like people twisting out of things on their "interpretation" of someone elses  "explanation".

So take it slow, and answer my questions in your own words or just keep insisting you're smart whilst there are multiple instances of you being destroyed by me in debate all over the forum. I actually like using your quotes to strengthen my own statements now. You have been useful so far. thanks. I miss you actually. Although that's not to say fox pup is not a worthy replacement. Brings back great memories of having you both at the same time.....nom nom nom

I see only HandC red feedback. I (as yet) have not excluded him since although he may directly support proven scumbags on to DT there may be an unknown reason that as yet I am not privy to. I am far less happy about him supporting imbeciles accusing me of making stupid posts (by applying 10 merits) that will not present even one example they care to debate. However, I still want to give admins the benefit of the doubt else this board is clearly fucked.

Now, I have heard there is something you can add to the end of the url to see the page as if you include DT on your trust list. What is that now?

Even then a full explanation is better than a snippet in those little boxes.

If those red trusting do not wish to offer their full side of it then fair enough.  I find those that are not willing to discuss things often lack confidence in their decisions.

Perhaps the accused can shine some clarity on their apparent crimes.

I see someone doxxed poor old MDOL. Perhaps some different snaps for the escrow services website might be in order.

This is a very confusing thread.

Even if these 3 people are just one person (which seems like speculation with no proof) what is the reason they are getting red trust?

I don't even like this mdayonline nor s_therpist both are snivelling ass kissers IMHO just obviously trying to take the fastest route up the sig spam ladder . So is talkstar and so is ANY noob hanging around meta. You don't join a board to take immediate and almost sole interest in the mechanisms the board operates upon. It is completely ludicrous to care about that before you have some skin in the game. They would usually only ever turn up there if they were hacked or appealing some admin abuse/mistake.

But what are their crimes that warrant specifically this red trust?

Is there something I am missing in this instance? if so fill me in?

Working from the assumption they are DIFFERENT people... what have they done that warrants red trust?

Working from the assumption they are same person ...what have they done that warrants red trust?

Seems like a lot of fuss over nothing.

@tuffman

you seem to have missed the challenges that I set you to substantiate your (false) claims. If you can not then please refrain from proliferating false information since that falls under trolling according to the drill down in the rules.

@SS Some quotes here from you in blue

I'll avoid dragging this off topic by just addressing two differences of opinion that we have, and simply stating that because of them, our viewpoints are different. First, I disagree that red trust is intended to be solely for scamming or strongly likely to scam.

Theymos has recently posted that would be a good idea and that if people don't start falling in line with his intentions for red trust then perhaps some action may at last be taken.

I am of the opinion that the reason there aren't explicit rules for what you can and can't leave for feedback, is because needs of the users here evolve. For example, plagiarism spam is a fairly new thing, if not for the fact that it directly opposed moderation goals here, it may have been left alone in the same way that account selling is. If plagiarism spam was allowed by the rules, perhaps it would warrant negative feedback. These are decisions that individuals decide to make, and the community can either choose to agree with them or ignore them.

That's fine but they are not essentially related to scamming or strongly intending to scam.
Traders need to be able to rely on that SCORE to see if they will be getting scammed or not or taking a high risk trading with such a user. The score itself becomes useless if it then starts to be polluted with non scamming issues like lemon love or if people have received negative trust for simply presenting observable events in a person history here.  The score is now useless and you need to review every single review and bring a calculator because if you can get NEGATIVE trust for highlighting that people lie and cheat - then you now need to start using that as a POSITIVE score in terms of scams and getting scammed. Let that sink in a bit. This DT system is now being used as an distrust system haha. So like getting a negative for telling the truth about people lying in a distrust system obviously makes you less likely to scam haha


We also have a major difference of opinion regarding what is considered incorrect information, and willful spreading of it. Saying, I intend to buy 10,000 BTC at $10,000 each tomorrow, so buy now! If I have no intention of doing so, is about the extent of what I'd consider intentionally spreading fake information (typically for personal gain). Anything that is processed by the human brain is skewed by previous experiences, personal beliefs, whatever, and needs some sort of special consideration when you say its incorrect or willful lying. I draw these stupid analogies like with the lemons for the sake of trying to bridge as many misunderstandings as possible. Lets say I'm arguing with someone that the sky is blue, and they think its orange. They may have never seen a blue sky before, might be color blind, taught color names incorrectly, or are misunderstanding what I intended the question to mean, perhaps they think I'm talking about the evening sky. People are willing to argue over whether the earth is flat or not, if you get too involved in it, you'll waste way too much time fighting with people who really don't matter in your life.


Well yes of course you can inhibit yourself from making any sensible system that would be useful for 99.99% of the population if you have to allow rules that encompass the people that have been taught (and for some reason were never corrected during their entire life time|) that blue was in fact orange and that evil was good and that water was dry and thought eating a lemon makes you turn into a scammer on the spot?

 I feel you can cripple any useful system if you start allowing for the nano % of the population who just happen to be hyper weird  a little different. I mean this touches on the argument other DT's were using for needing to leave the systems of control wide open to their abuse personal points of view.

 I say better to have a USEFUL system that is going to serve 99.99% of the population well than a system that is useless. I find this argument you present almost verging on suchmoon levels of reason.

Related to the topic at hand, these are the reasons that I think all but the most extreme cases of "trolling" don't really matter. If someone's behavior is unreasonably obstructing everyone else, they are politely asked to leave by the moderation staff by means of a ban message.

 Anyone that falls into any other category should be handled with an ignore button. If a person is on everyone else's ignore list, they probably should, and probably will be asked to leave. Not to make any of this personal, as I don't care about any spats you've had with other members. I perceive the motivation of your topics on the matter as having to do with them, which is why I mention it at all. You or the other parties are not currently obstructing the forum for all other uses, you are just annoying each other. That probably means that neither parties has to be asked to leave for trolling, spreading fake information, or whatever. Just use the ignore function and carry on.

If people consistently get into debates defending their untrustworthy and unfair actions that they have taken for financial gain at the cost of the board in real terms.  After they lose and lose and lose these debates, they may decide to ignore the person demonstrating their foul deeds. Their stooges and goons may also try to argue and debate but they lose obviously too because observable events are not something you can talk your way out of. If they all have a person on ignore and they also keep making false statements that the person is trolling them( when he only presents observable events) then it stands to reason that person is net positive and should not only NOT be banned they should be given a position of trust and power so that they can free the board from net negative and untrustworthy persons. Since they and only they were objective and strong enough to stand against them.

It is quite possible that innocent parties, or those just too afraid to stand against a gang of observable untrustworthy individuals that do have the power to damage their accounts will remain silent or be temped to join them as they perceive this is the sensible option. To me that no longer means they are innocent if they are knowingly supporting untrustworthy people and supporting their maintaining controlling positions.

The only reason I respond to topics like this at all, is because you are asking for a change in moderation policy, and I'm arguing that we need as few policies based on uncertain terms as possible. Interpersonal relationships are best not monitored by the forum staff. I'm probably biased here, but I think the rules in place are sufficient, and the tools provided to forum users are almost flexible enough to deal with any situation that doesn't require moderator action. If you are able to even understand my reasoning for the points we disagree on, even if you do disagree, that lends to my point that we'd be asking for new rules based on things that not everyone is in agreement over.

The tools in place that are provided to the forum users are broken. This is observable clearly by just realising it is entirely possible using these tools to cast someone as untrustworthy for encouraging other members to view observable events. It is completely stupid and useless. The tools are not given to "forum users" the tools are given to SOME forum users to share only to those they know will collude with them in pushing their flexible (depending on how it benefits them at the time) agendas.

 For instance you may see a gang member advertise their account for sale and get no red trust from their DT pals, where as they will rush to red trust anyone "non" gang affiliated for simply advertising to sell their account. Or you may see a user get red trust for simple encouraging others to review a gang members post history. That's without obviously getting into  the "tool" of merit that is now DT anyway which I think is even more abused for which there is NO comeback except if you are going up against the gang, then they can have your merits removed even in the post is more merit worthy than most of the net negative trash they give merit for (which is usually politically motivated) or just blatant merit abuse.

I think trolling as per the rules (wilfully spreading incorrect information repeatedly when asked to stop) in more beneficial that what you say trolling is which I agree is basically meaningless because it does totally depend on your point of view or what you understand the facts of the matter to be. So best keep the rules as they.

Voicing an alternative opinion which actually does have more substantial evidence to support it in terms of observable events than the currently favoured opinion (by those who benefit by sticking to that opinion) is not trolling it is simply a net positive post that is trying to assist reaching the optimal outcome.

Sorry for the delay I was messing about yesterday and having a good time. I feel better after a good nights rest and not going to indulge too much for a few days.

I mean I would have liked to keep it as a broad debate and not let it descend straight back into personal examples, attacks etc but since the local rules mean nothing to dt or merit sources nor even mods obviously (unless the gang makes local rules and you break them then all your truthful on topic and relevant posts are vapourised instantly)

TLDR

that's a shame, increase your attention span or stay ill informed for the rest of your lives.





 

Patience patience my dear Tman.

For those that don't know Tman (the lucky ones) let me give him a proper introduction.

1. An extortionist with his pals Lauda and Owlcatz  https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1764757.0
trying to screw some btc out of some dude by calling up his mom hahaha - how low can people sink...hahah hide your grandmas haha

2. His team mate lauda also just got lucky whilst using other peoples money in his latest escrow scheme
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4895354.0

3. He is a self confessed trust abuser  - I told him once he can't red trust for  listing observable events and facts demonstrating his pal laudas lies and other observable foul deeds. He replied " I can, Will and just have  "  .......... and then they said...... free speech is doing just fine here........ahahahha

4. He says that using abusive language (towards persons that previously abuse you) is worthy of red trust because it means you are mentally unstable. Then he jumps into a tirade of sexual deviant filth and abuse that has no grounding. When I challenged him at all he runs away. I find out that he is quite infamous for swearing and using foul language. Not that I mind at all but where is his red trust?? Oh that's right he is a DT and one of the most trusted people on the board. hahahahahhahhahahaahhhah

5. Has a ton of cycled merits .......but watch this..... Tman can you present here some of your original thought inspiring posts so I can take a look at these master pieces.   hahahahahaha

6. Tman can you present also whilst you're (not) at it.... some examples of the debates/arguments that I've lost?


........and then Tman said........ you can be banned for ignoring my local rules...................hahahahhahahahhhaha  that's okay TMAN I don't mind you breaking my local rules on this occasion since it just allows me to restate the disgusting tactics and actions of you and your bunch of dirty friends.

Sorry this "loser" is just a tad busy enjoying the advantages of being exceedingly wealthy whilst you tell tales to peoples moms and dads if they don't hand you and your extortionist friends some btc scraps ....haha

No wonder your evil little ears pricked up do you have some bot that listens out for the word " extortion" or something. lol

So you see that although I have the odd 10 mins here and there to toy with you, I have not yet had the time spare to make a more involved reply to someone that is not such an imbecile so required a little more effort and time.

I am currently busy but let's face it this matter has been unchanged since the boards inception, so another day or whatever is not going to seem too long.

Thanks tman, please come back when you can. I'm happy to let you use my threads to spam your gambling sig for some btc dust..... every little helps and it is another grandma that is not getting strange phone calls from desperate dregs of humanity.





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 this was sent to my email... might have just been a gag but I will post here for others to make up their minds.

Dear cryptohunter

I want to help you out mate.. So I will send you the printout from our agencies wire tap...


Someones Granny = hello?
TMAN= Hey punk, don't fuck with me, your grandson jimmy has been a pajeet ponzi prick and now I want all your bitcoins right now.
Someones Granny = Is that you jimmy
TMAN=  DEAF YOU OLD BAT, I'M GONNA STICK A CARROT UP YOUR CHIMNEY PIPE
Someones Granny = Is that the green grocers ?
TMAN= I don't understand what is happening...I'll call you back, you window licking old creep.
Lauda= What?
TMAN= Hi Lauda this is not going to work out.
Lauda= Oh it's you TMAN... what an unpleasant surprise. What is not going to work out?
TMAN= You know that Abortion plan you were talking about ...the ponzi guy where we are going to dox his mothers bitcoins away?
Lauda= What have you done now you miscreant ?
TMAN= I tried the abortion plan out early, I need to get some bitcoins. My ten skanky kids need some new tattoos. One is going to get an extortion next week ....they breed like rats in my house . 3 already live in the shed.
Lauda= I wish your mother had decided to have an extortion.... What did jimmy say anyway?
TMAN= I've not spoken to him yet. I found out his grandmas phone number, cut out the mother - don't need any middlemen like you always say, told that old bird to give us her bitcoins. Also if I have to get heavy then I'd rather uppercut his granny cos I'm so fucking hard.
Lauda= That's not how this extortion works. You tell jimmy that we will doxxx him and tell his mom and dad what he's been doing, and we will doxxx them also if he does not give us his bitcoins. His old granny does not know what bitcoins are...you window licking spaz.
TMAN= What is doxxx again?
Lauda= It means we reveal where they live and who they are.
TMAN= So I call jimmy first now and threaten to tell him where his grandparents live if  he does not give us his bitcoins?
Lauda= No you inbred imbecile!! THE OTHER WAY AROUND. We tell jimmy th....
TMAN= aha I see now that makes more sense. I'll make you proud this time Lauda. BYE MASTER.
Lauda= Tman .,.,,Tman.....tman are you there.. oh fuck....nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
Jimmy= Hello?
TMAN= Enough of the pleasantries scum bag. You better listen carefully or I'm gonna shove a cabbage where the sun don't shine mate.
Jimmy= In my garage?
TMAN= Yes right in the garage mate...imagine that. So send me your bitcoin address right fucking now pajeet swine - make it snappy or I WONT tell your grandparents where they live.
Jimmy= you want my bitcoin address???
TMAN= Stop asking so many question and stop playing dumb with me or I'll jam a parsnip in your pantry and tell you what my real name is and where I live. You won't be laughing then will ya.
Jimmy=err okay then mate hold on please don't send too many please please...74nti43ijt3gxxxfno3ijtrno......
TMAN= I don't even know how to spell mercy stop begging...Can you say that more slowly please
Jimmy=sure....74n
TMAN= so 47 what was that other one?
Jimmy= how about I email it to you it will be quicker ?
TMAN= shut up prick, well...okay email me TMANthinkshesTUFF@laudasbitches.com
Jimmy= Sending now. Let me know when you get it mate and if there is anything else I can help you with. Do you want my ETH address too? what about LTC or doge would those be useful??
TMAN= I'll be doing the sending around here pajeet loser.
Owlcatz= Hello?
Lauda= Did you talk about that extortion plan we had to that div Tman?
Owlcatz= I think that was you lauda after you took your ......errr vitamins the other night and were dancing around with your pants on your head. When you told tman you loved his ugly little face and gave him your laptop with your bitcoins on to play his barbie flash games.
Lauda= fuck it  fuck it... okay okay anyway got a new plan ......how does a share of 3000Bch sound to your demented little mind?
Owlcatz= what kind of share
Lauda= your usual 0.01% - you can give tman a big portion out of your small end hahahah
Owlcatz = or just not mention it to him?
Lauda= that was a joke you cretin.
Owlcatz= but what about ccccrryptohunntterrrr, I heard he's found out about meta board. He will drive us out and crush us like ants.
Lauda= I will deal with him.
Owlcatz= How? he's the scam hunter superstar who got a 2 000 000 000 USD air drop compensation offered to the board, he's made multiple millionaires  from his selfless tips, he is always fair and fights for the small guy? what can be done against such a real legend?
Lauda=My plan is brilliant.... I will keep falsely accusing him of being liar until he tells people to check out my post history for themselves....
Owlcatz- Okay, that  sounds well hmmm .....errr lauda are you currently wearing pants on your head  and taking vitamins by any chance?
Lauda= No no this will work, I will say he is blackmailing me by telling people to look into my past.... fox poop is a lawyer apparently said it's a master plan.
Owlcatz= ERRR i'm not sure.... But surely Theymos will do something about that.
Lauda = LOL Theymos thinks I'm cool. I mean he made me a mod after I was pushing that other scam for years LOL. Got him wrapped around my finger. I told him darkcoin wasn't a scam anyway and that when they said fair launch and no premine they were being ironic obviously.. that's why they did the exact opposite. .. hahahaha
Owlcatz= What about the other DT members?
Lauda= Nope no problem. Been talking to suchmoon. I hear Theymos is making a clever new DT election system that will enable me , you, tman, yogg, that cling on felcher the pharmacist (who sickens me)  and all our other untrustworthy pals , the entire gang. We all get on default trust now...hahaha I know hard to believe right? Suchmoon is working on getting us set up so that we are never getting pushed out again. Anyway when he cryptohunter get's pissed off then you guys all add more red trust too. It will be hilarious. That reminds me he's voting for me on dt too.
Owlcatz= Pharmacist?? who's that?
Lauda= Huge black woman
Owlcatz= Yes I know her. Those two are pals then?
Lauda= they are the same person.
Owlcatz= who knows about this?
Lauda= everyone knows about it ffs - that stupid fucking ass kisser used the same address to collect his btc dust from spamming 2 sigs hahah
Owlcatz= So he will never get on DT then right if everyone knows how greedy and sneaky he is?
Lauda= LOL he's already on DT and a Merit source hahaha. He's the 3rd most trusted person on the board .... makes sense right lololol
Owlcatz= haha this is getting toooooooooooooooooooooo easy man. Nobody can touch us or foil our devilish plans? even crrryyyppttohunnnter
Lauda= stop shaking at his mere name... there is someone even more dangerous..... TMAN. He will fuck it up if he gets any chance to.
Owlcatz= yes, keep him away from the details just send him out swearing and screaming his vegetable sex fantasies at people... we'll eventually make him the patsy right?
Lauda....yes of course what other reason would we keep him close ... right before I notice he's rather under the weather and needs some "vitamins" lots of them in one go... not yet though (evil cackling)  got to offer my escrow services to the board  first haha
Owlcatz= hahahahahahhahahahahahahahahahahhaahahhahahaahah imagine that , that would be ironic
Lauda= I'm serious.
Owlcatz= .............. errrr Yes well that was obvious.
Lauda= why laughing then?
Owlcatz= That was crying
Lauda= about what?
Owlcatz= because errr I have not seen you for so long.
Lauda = hmmmmm









  

"You've got to give me something new to work with, otherwise I'll ....."

blackmail..... red trust.

hmmmm...PM me the details (and a couple more vids) anyway....

+1

imagine we bring some big amazon reshippers or ebay reshippers or master sellers.

Then plaster the sales board with all of those desirable items.

Once a ton of bay is tied up in the DDE then we will start to see a huge uptick in demand.

The peg is going to be vital and ground breaking. I can't wait for it to all fit into place. No more middle men.

@SaltySpitoon

I am looking forward to making a full reply to you. I hope that you will engage in a full debate on many of the issues that you have brought up and I will see if I can use observable events and reasonable arguments based upon those events to change your current opinions. I mean this is the point of a discussion forum isn't it? to enter our thoughts into a big pool and then compare and measure their merits when they conflict or support or enhance until we have the optimal solution.

I am confident that I can through reasonable debate bring you more inline with what my opinion is. Not because I want everyone to think the same way as me. I just want the OPTIMAL and most BENEFICIAL opinions and points-of-view that would enable this movement to flourish to be the dominant ones until they through reasonable debate are demonstrated to no longer be optimal.

I  mean if someone through reasonable debate can demonstrate to you that your current opinions and points-of-view are sub optimal and assist you to adopt a more optimal outlook that is freeing you from being locked within your own self imposed matrix.

I will get started once I have had my swim and massage. I think you will really benefit from this debate if you are open minded.  People make the mistake of thinking that I am not open minded when actually I am very very open minded and love to be forced to see things how they really are and not how I had previously considered them to be simply because I lacked vital information or was relying too heavily on previous experiences that were not as relevant as I had considered them to be in another situation.

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my counter argument to SS post will start here but just a quick post atm since need to relax a bit first and get some sun.



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@mikey

I take your post as I take you. Well meaning, honest and a desire to be fair. However, there can never be anything boring about a person presenting evidence that he has been abused by a system that provides incentive to abuse, and provides the means to abuse, that crushes free speech. If it is predictable that someone will provide observable events demonstrating clear wrong doing to those that have done wrong when they seek to deride and punish others for the same crimes whilst rewarding themselves then that is the kind of predictability the world needs more of.  The very notion that people caught red handed doing wrong themselves  can lecture and punish others for lesser crimes whilst rewarding themselves and then go on to entrench themselves within a trust system that allows them to crush the objections of those that mention how disgusting and grotesque the entire thing is needs to be taken far more seriously.  I wish the world was far more predictable in the sense that the observable scumbags are called scumbags over and over until they relinquished their power and slunk away to be scum in the shadows.

Imagine you captured video of thieves stealing your shit. You took it to the police and they did nothing. You later see them out socialising with the thieves, and praising the thieves, saying these thieves should indeed be able to join the police force. So you keep taking the video back to the police day after day saying look these people are thieves, here they are on video stealing my things. They say yeah yeah we see the video.  Can you stop repeating yourself, can you stop being so predictable. You keeping rattling on about this issue over and over. Too boring and predictable. We wish you would just shut up and disappear.

thieves break in and steal your things whilst you record it.

you: but you see they are thieves, you see the video right, why do you not arrest them?
police: stop being boring you already said this, we have seen it 200x now. BTW That ming dynasty vase..so they are better in pairs ... where do you keep the other one??
you: okay but why are you saying those thieves should be police now too?
police: this question was predictable also it is boring. Stop repeating yourself. So about those other ming vases you said you had ...
you: now those thieves  have police powers (that you gave them) they say they will take more things if I keep mentioning it or come back and really try to fuck me up.
police: hmm trouble maker hey, They told us you said you intended on reporting them to the police, we are going to have to charge you with blackmail. Sorry that's the law.
you: I will report this to the sheriff, it is totally fucked up.
police: Let us know how that works out. That's a double blackmail charge now btw.
you: sheriff--your police force are crap they wont arrest thieves and have hired them as fellow cops, they now say I'm a blackmailer for telling the thieves I would report them to the cops?
sheriff: snore snore, too long and boring sorry can't read all of that - my police are excellent - thieves have good points too, you're annoying me. Shut up.
you: that was a bit disappointing
police:hahahahhahaahahahhahahahahhahhahhahahahahahahahahahhaahahah how did things go with the sheriff?
you: still does not change the fact you are failing to arrest criminals and hiring them onto the police force.
police: we are excellent - the sheriff just told you that. What part of we are excellent is not clear to you?
thieves : hows it going? how did you get on with the sheriff hahahah?
you: fuck off scum bags I will show the video to everyone else now
thieves: see we told you all he's mentally unstable, trolling us all, not against a bit of blackmail too now it seems. Get him locked up before he can do more damage to society. ANIMAL.
you: well I have you on cam stealing my stuff so eventually someone will do something about it.
thieves: can we get a copy of that for our collection. Also we can get a few adsense bucks if we stick em on youtube.
you: fuck off you pieces of shit
sheriffs deputies : please retract that disrespectful aggressive comment, abusive. Seek medical attention.
you: its true though
sheriffs deputies : predictable and boring, please play a new record.
you: you're not being objective, you are even now supporting proven thieves being cops.
sheriffs deputies: we don't like you now either.
you: oh well I can still relate this to "others"  and you will look like complicit scumbags too.
sheriffs deputies: "what good are others when you are unable to speak"
you: arrghghghghghghghghghhghg.... your mouth starts welding shut
cryptohunter: mikey look we know you got your shit taken by thieves who are now promoted to cops, you are probably a good guy but whats with the boring repetitive and predictable droning on. You should just go on a long vacation and enjoy yourself. You need to chill man.

you: this robbery was quite fun. I mean you get to experience an entire new version of  reality. It's like ALICE diving down the rabbit meta hole. It's quite addictive. You almost want to replicate yourself and have your house robbed 3x a day. Lucky I hid that other ming vase down the back of the red sofa in the drawing room on the east wing. They will never find it there.










Satoshi never envisioned a small group of observably greedy,ruthless untrustworthy scum grasping power to crush anyone who dared mention their observable historical dirty deeds. This board is akin to gradually turning bitcoin back into a centralised banking cartel. Never before on this board was it possible for sub admin to provide STRONG disincentive to post observable events that have taken place here. It is now.


@pharmacist aka Huge Black Woman,

1, can you describe how this thread is trolling.
2, can you provide examples of MY trolling and debate them with me
3, you wish for people banned that present observable events that demonstrate your sneaky greedy nature.

HE WILL NOT ANSWER ME


@suchmoron - after debunking your own arguments and letting your mind collapse in public spewing out ludicrous statements that only a fool would post in public. How can you keep embarrassing yourself further.

@agent foxpoop  - my new fav ahahahahhah you crack me up. I can't get enough of you lately. Suchmoron is out until further notice. I want you and only you. Please make longer posts. These teasing little snippets merely hinting at the damaged inner workings of your vile broken little mind are okay but the occasional reward of a longer post should be mixed in. It's like a girl continually stripping down to her bra and panties then putting their clothes back on. I want the full exposure now and then ffs. Come on babe.

Well I agree with you in part. Trolling (not the guidelines in the rules here) but generally is a useless term because as you say it means something different to everyone depending on their POV.

I mean I could say you were trolling me telling me when you said that openly demonstrating that I loved lemons is reason enough to give me red trust. I mean that is what most people may consider a troll. This now would per board rules be a troll. Since red trust is intended to be for scamming or strongly likely to scam.

This is why the rules drill down more and for the sake of this board and say it is more of a case of deliberate and wilful spreading of obviously fake or incorrect information.  Again to me this is not as I understood trolling before but I find it to be far more useful for a forum than just a worthless different-for-each-individual term..

Spamming is not trolling to me. Spamming is certainly more defined and usually I would say linked to financial gain more than trolling. Although I guess there is crossover there.

Harassment is a BIG debate in itself and certainly not tied to trolling.

LOL you're becoming one of my fav people here. You take a little more breaking down than suchmoron mostly because you're a little more sexy and I take a little more mercy on you... but still it's fun watching you cast doubt upon your own (false) accusations.

So you admit that IF there are any trolling or stupid posts you may need to go through the entire 13.5k of them. So not that many examples then hahaha. POW  

So you can say from your limited experience in reading my posts ( a lot and giving lots of fucks about them) since I came to the weird but fun world of meta, that I produce stupid posts and  trolling posts. But together you and that other dumbo the pharmacist can't find them? hahahahahah

You could ask Huge Black Woman to help you both ....perhaps all 3 of you together will be able to produce some false and incorrect information that I am proliferating after it has been demonstrated to be ....well.... false or incorrect. I can't wait to start debating these posts with you two.
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So still more trolling from fox pup. This is like 'trolling trolling'. Trolling people about their non existent trolling. I like it.

On a serious note and I mean this. Thanks guys this forum had lost all of its fun until I found you. I honestly mean it. I am missing tennis matches, dates, massages... such is the entertainment you all provide me.




 

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