such moon again will like to divert to something new now the sock puppet cowardly scheme fucked up and caused the comedy team more damage by supplying me with more corroborating evidence that they are gunning for me and trying to shut me down cos they are worried people are waking up to their dirty bully tactics.

jackals always nipping then quickly trying to slip around and nip somewhere else when you face them pack of filthy skanks.

let's focus on you

"most pre merit legends are spammers" is the filthy disrespectful lie to the eldest and first of this forum some noob trash like you thinks you can claim   - so your proof is merit score =1001 - LOL stfu some are probably are not even posting.. or now and then at most

so tell me again right now the answer .... do you keep to your lie " most pre merit legends are spammers"  YES OR NO

how can you think that most of the eldest legends of this board are spammers you imbecile.

stfu i have no care to indulge you in anything you have no real power yet you are not a mod you are a coward...

who gives a fuck about your cycled merits. I have demonstrated you have a lot of merits but can not list one accomplishment here you moronic fool. That means shit. There are legends here that have gained not even a tenth of your cycled merits who could destroy your entire feeble mind in one debate. Go debate with DZ, or smooth or any other of the legends with hardly any merit.

You can't comprehend that your merit score does not mean that you are anything other than a shitposter who has accomplished nothing of note.....it's simple if your posts were great then where are your great acheivements??

You are a provable liar where I am making sensible and reasonable assumptions you can not prove are incorrect can you imbecile. Also to punish anything you have to have power and you have nothing but a gang that I will crush into disbanding or wearing down to a broken shell of what they were. It is easy for me because this time this gang are mediocre to low level functioning before they have enlisted some of a better standard. In your case this latest attempted scheme has backfired and given me much more ammunition. You can deny it but it is not going to work. One of you scum bags did this and it is pointing at you. If not I will blacken the entire group until one tells me who it was and I will let them out of it. Come forward now and I will not come after you specifically with this and you may retain some form of credbility here as trustworthy. You have 1 day to contact me and tell me who reported that shit under a puppet account.

Stop replying to me unless  you bring some achievements ..... why should I talk to such a low achiever anway?? what kudos will I have to say in the future when crypto takes over. LOL......... i remember back in the early days of crypto ... I was talking to the user such moon and he well.....let's take a look back in history on the board at his claim to fame..... errr okay let's move back to talking about someone of more repute who made a difference.

I am going back to meta and to stay there I am finished with you here and in full until you prove you are worthy of my high achieving time. It is valuable not like your whack a mole - nobody would notice if you existed nonsense.

I have tried to be nice to you but now you have proven to be a disgusting cowardly scum bag. there is no more of it. You will be publicly demonstrated to be a moron and a liar not to mention a bully to the weak minded.

thanks for support... and the link to the text they are crying about is there with all the other information in the same post.


@thepharmacist

fuck off you duplicitous scum bag, I am done playing your game ..you appear all nice and reasonable and then snipe away and add support to this gang through merits, sniping comments at me (then never back them up) then sneak to other threads and start sniping away at me whilst you think I don't notice. YOu are not a nice humble person like you are playing here for sympathy fake nice guy act.

You are a tyranical fucking big headed high horseman to those you think you can pick on and you are a duplicitous shit stain being nice to people to their face pretending to be all measure and nice then describing them later as pieces of shit in burning paper or whatever ...

You do not reverse your decision even when proven wrong when i have been there.

Now I mean it don't even think about spinning me into be a persecution complex because only an imbecile who does not follow your posts would believe you.

LOL  - really well tell me in detail about how what I have done is insignificant please.... I will wait for the book after you have read up on every scam I have outed and every scammer I have crushed in public with facts proving how disgusting they are.. .and all the people I have made fortunes for free just to help the real good projects shine. Then when you are done detailing all of those come back and I give you more to describe how insignificant they are compared to your making money for yourself out of sigs and reporting people who just spring back on here straight away....infinite whack a mole fucking master here making bucks whilst getting all high and mighty. Your posts are garbage I have read them You do not have the mind to construct anything useful you are a fool don't you see why I have gone easier on you that the others. PITTY you live at home all day and never go out anywhere so i feel sorry for you and even though you snipe at me and even though you always support the gang and talk shit about me you wont substantiate after weeeks you dumb shits have had to find something on me.

There is nothing you dumb fucks because I'm not just out for myself like you lot and I do things for others for real. i help others with no gain to myself like the guy you were bullying demanding a ban when he had done nothing wrong.

You can not stand up to scrutiny because you are pretending to be what you are not. You are not nice and humble and grateful you are a nasty tyrannical asshole when you think you can be. Now get back to lauda because I know that fucking scum bag sent you here.

Stay away from me and sniping at me or else I will crush you in public with your post history. Got that. That's not a threat right because your post history shows a nice guy, fair guy, logical guy so you will enjoy reading what you are really like. You are cruel and lack empathy to people you think you can push around take a look in the mirror and change whilst you can because soon you will become suchmoon and there is no going back from being like that.

LOL fuck off dick .... I will address this shit later and post where I said i have proof

I have corroborating events to suggest you are the one with the most motive to have done it and first to comment on it in my thread and all over it here ....and a cowardly jackal too....

You pull this shit on me then think  " you lied boo hoo" you think that will pull me off you now dumb ass.

So still not accomplishments at all... that sums you up. Didn't think so because i never heard of you before and i have even heard of TP before and that is remarkable in its own right since he has not done anything of note either.

A gang of "done nothings" bullying people around ....LOL

You think the avatar is a non issue? You are wrong it is far more of an issue than the shit you are trying on me you snake.
Also you have no net worth in my books you help play wack a mole whilst nothing changes and you are negative to most people in threads and try to talk down to them ( i mean you are a imbecile as I have proven by breaking you to pieces in every argument until your skull collapses like a rotten pumpkin and you spew out pure ludicrous nonsense ....

"MOST PRE MERIT LEGENDS ARE SPAMMERS" - suchmoon  - do you stick to that LIE prove it or you are lying boo hooo you told a lie I will cry to red trust, i will cry to some mods and hope i can get your told off. YOUR LIE IS PROVABLE OBSERVABLE LIE.  My allegation is beyond proof on either side so your lie is worse plus I have corroborating evidence you lie has none and the evidence will contradict your lie got it now have you coward. Now fuck off you creepy freak.

You are a devious little snake and I don't trust you one bit. Time to demonstrate this to the rest of the board and not just meta.

So nothing then that would matter and nothing would be hugely different if you had not been here.




correct thanks for that.

Whack a mole and earning yourself good bucks from sigs -

brag??

You I have tried to go easy on mostly due to the fact I feel you should not be treated as a serious character ...however you are not at all prepared for the factual account I can bring just demonstrating how foolish you are during a debate and the total and utter lack of clarity of thought.

You have not yet that I know tried to fuck me over as bad as some. More hiding and sniping and meriting their observable trash and word salad ... even seeming a bit shocked at foxy time travel merits. Stay the fuck out of my way unless you have a valid opinion of your own and a full case to substantiate it and not just say you will not answer me and run off. Then saying shit about me in other threads.
Stay out of my way and perhaps I will not crush you in public.

When I say I will crush people or destroy them I mean with facts demonstrating exactly why such people should not be in positions of trust or power. I have that evidence whether you chose to believe me or not until it is presented is your problem.

Find one case on this entire board where I have been wrong ANYWHERE about something I was serious about. Not just joking around stuff.

I do not lose arguments because first I find the truth then I make sure I have a very powerful case to demonstrate it.

However smart you are I am not going to be drawn away from the facts I have that demonstrate what I know to be true.

When you have tackled HUGE scams with 100's of supporting scum bags against you and you alone and won every single argument and gained massive support against projects until they can not be mentioned without people saying scam and repeating my arguments.

GO research you are bunch of jackals and non achievers daring to insult me with bans and red trust.

I never even heard of suchmoon or any of these fucking jumped up little turds before ....where have you been hiding whilst me and others like me have been pushing back huge scams and helping genuine projects grow here.  Yeah hiding in merit building some back slappers club where you think you can do what the fuck you like including abusing the system to get me banned and give me red trust.

@such moon coward puppet shit stain


Oh so no accomplishments apart from whack a mole.? nothing at all come on???

Show me the LIE NOW

PROVE anything I have said about my past accomplishments are false NOW or stfu.

I am preparing my thread to bring all of this gang of jackals down. The thread will only consist of observable material that everyone on this board not just meta will get to view. Fuck meta echo chamber time to bring to the entire board how this bunch of jackals are sucking the life out of this board.

Be ready to answer my questions in public or else the avoidance will be telling. See you soon coward sock puppets creating scum.

Yeah cos every fucking person trying to pass work as his own puts a link in that post that if you click it you come to the place I got it. NOW get lost  you coward scum bag even trying to back peddle. I mean look at the red trust thread.. even that fucking scum did not appologise to me for fucking presenting a full lie there to try and make me look worse. He fucked his time line up and lied. Not even said sorry about it where as you fucking cowards give me red trust by using these scare quotes near real quotes marks with my real quotes in. I get red trust for this and you fuckers lie about me and make puppet accounts to try and get me banned. I am going to fucking crush you when I have finished compiling my thread about you all. I want every one of you taken off DT and even better temp banned.. I am not sure wether to push for full ban because that makes me look as bad you cowards like I am scared to face you even though I love it.

I will consider what I state i think should be done about such devious, cowardly  untrustworthy jackals.

Do not reply to me again unless it is about your accomplishments here

I don't give one fuck about your opinion - do you get that coward jackal scumbag sock puppet creating grassing shit stain imbecile.

I am not even narcissistic that is but ONE of the accomplishments I have made here . I have pms from so many people thanking me for changing their lives by telling them freely which of the projects here are worthy of time and effort to investigate. I have made several people multi millionaires from having nothing. I have threads with people confirming I have helped them gain fortunes. I gave that information freely. From the 10 I predicted 6  were the in the TOP 10 biggest gainers.

That is another tiny thing I have done for people here. You think DASH is my only one.

If there were 1000 suchmoons here you would not have made the difference i have and never once have I made these very reasonable comments about myself until you scumbags go and pick one of my very best to try and get me banned you dumb ass fools.

You know full well i was given red trust and got it removed.

I ask again bring any accomplishments of yours proving you have been net positive here. Why would things be any different if you had never joined.

None of you answer because you know nothing would be different here. That is why you do not answer.

FUCK LAUDAM that piece of shit was one of the main dash scam protectors and enablers. He apparently also moved escrow funds of investors and used them to take 3000 bch and this is a project that went to shit and the investors got fucked. That is what I have heard about LAUDAM - neg trust from him is an endorsement fool.

Stop saying you are not scared i smell your fear already.

ALL these merits and not one fucking accomplishment here you can post for me to prove that anything would be any different without you??? JOKE.

Sweep what ???did you read my post you fool.

The link to the information I used on all of those posts is there contained in the posts..... how am I claiming it as my own if the link to the information i am posting is contained in the post ...they are the references

Even if they were not you think the person who discovered dash scam and had 100's of people helping him prove it was a captive instamine scam will get banned for quoting a person  that supported me more than nearly any other . Fuck off you dillusional fool.

YOU HAD EVERY REASON TO USE A PUPPET ACCOUNT MORON BECAUSE YOU ARE PART OF THE GANG TRYING TO SILENCE ME AND PUSH RED TRUST ON ME 2 DAYS AGO YOU COWARDLY SCUM... SO NOW IT WOULD LOOK BAD IF PART OF THE SAME GANG TRIED TO GET ME BANNED FOR BRINGING LIGHT ON THE FACT YOU ARE ALL PART OF A GANG COLLUDING TO SHUT PEOPLE UP

I AM FULLY ON TO YOU NOW AND I WILL PRESENT REASONABLE CREDIBLE AND CORROBORATING EVIDENCE FOR THIS AND YES IT DOES LOOK BAD FOR YOU.  EVEN HOW "YOU" HAPPENED TO BE THE ONE TO BE STRAIGHT THERE AFTER IT POPPED ON MY THREAD.

Where is your list of accomplishments again? fucking whack a mole grassing bullying little imbecile.

Nothing would be any different here if you had never joined nor the rest of this colluding gang of merit hoarding shit stains. None of you have done anything of real consequence ever.

I mean any one of you bring 1 fucking thing you have done here that made a big difference and show me how things would have been any different if you had never joined. I challenge you to do it NOW.

The link to the text is at the bottom of the post where all sources of that post can be found.

Now you spineless jackal and part of a gang here trying to silence me and anyone else who does not do what you want are about to get banned yourselves for this kind of abuse.

I mean red trust attempt that i beat back proving abuse yesterday
NOw 1 day old puppet account trying to get me banned and you all talking and rejoicing (Early) but this will back fire this entire think stinks and nobody will fail to see it now on this second attempt. Using a brand new account to report proves what spineless jackals you really are and how you are not to be trusted at all.

Good bye suchmoon but which one of us leaves here. It will never be me I can assure you.

See whilst I beat your power hungry bullying little mind into pieces in public with observable events and corroborating evidence and raw data over and over again and reduced you to a barely functioning mess shouting out ludicrous pathetic statements like "most pre merit legneds are spammers " and " that I was an idiot for saying i believed some of the 99.93% of the users here are capable of making posts as good if not better than some of the 0.13% of users" and then you running away and refusing to go back on those statements or answer questions regarding them you were left wondering how. 

How had your bullying tactics and all of your even more foolish gang together allowed you (and them to get destroyed absolutely destroyed in public over and over and over again"

Because you are of mediocre standard and only believe your high merits mean you are more valuable than anyone else.  You are certainly not smart enough to defeat the truth. Sorry.

Now because you have tried to silence me through disgusting abuse of this board and its systems I think it is time for you to be removed from any positions of trust or power and that goes for the entire gang.

Filthy bunch of cowardly jackals. Before you slink away to your holes like you have in every other encounter I want you to list your accomplishments on this board that are publically observable . I challenge you to do it now. There must be some BIG difference you made here apart from playing whack a mole and trying to silence people with your bully tactics.

Soft and steady language of some of you does not mask your deeds here. Given time I will demonstrate you are all bad eggs.

I have proven it is groundless you dumb asshole. However I will not have my name on a scam thread when it is incorrect.
Now login and remove it.

YOur logic is again broken since you say hillarious has seen it. Now log in and get it done.

Yeah dash never reached number 2 spot ....you know nothing because you hide in here grassing people up. Not for much longer you're done.

Your personal thread is coming moron. I have never ever debated with such a weak mind. It will be fun watching you unravel in public based on REAL OBSERVABLE EVENTS - .

Also while you're here please refute anything I have said here about my accomplishments then please list all of yours.

I will bring that to the thread also dash supporting scum. Bullying noobs around and trying to sound smart.

You all just made a very big mistake.
It will all become very clear soon.

Yeah because instead of deleting it i decided to draw huge attention to myself so  you would all focus on my profile and  the subject of copy and paste.

Get ready to be fried alive jackals. Come to meta when you are ready.

I mean how bad does it look after abusing the DT trust and now a unknown unheard of piece of shit puppet account tries to get me banned but because you are all so retarded that you have added only weight to my clear case you are a gang of jackals that has been waiting for a Lion to destroy and reduce you to the snivelling little dregs of this board you are.

Can you imagine how 10 of you jackals has not even once EVER won some argument here against me NOT once whilst clearly lying , meriting illogical drivel and being reduced to excuses like time machines. I have crushed you in public like ants.

Bring me one just one instance where you have defeated me since I have found out about this bunch of bullies you are and started to highlight how gross this entire situation is turning.

You are a cowards not even daring to use your own account to try to report me. I wonder how long you all poured over my account crying at night to find something...just something...

Can you imagine if you were going to prove anyone was net negative here it could never be me.

I mean just 1 of my accomplishments here was to break the dash scam myself and take on their bunch of jackals then joined by others it was the largest war on the alt coin board ever. There were 5 threads concurently on the first page for days and weeks people joined me and we together forced evan duffield to go against his own scamming generals and offer and AIRDROP worth BILLIONS to this board at its peak. I was blamed by many for this and of course I should have been. I broke it and highlighted the disgusting nature of their central bunch of self serving scum ....

I relish these events with groups of jackals like you.

The reason I will not be banned for that and the reason I have never bothered to go delete anything from my post history since highlighting the bullying scum here is because I know I have never done anything wrong.

What sort of dumb cowards would

1. TRY to abuse red trust on me
2. 1 day later when they see I smashed that back in their face try to set up a brand new account to report to try to silence me again with a ban.
3. PICK just 1 of my accomplishments here that dwarfs all of your accomplishments (which are playing whack amole and bully the weaker person here ) I mean you pick that topic. You want to highlight that I broke the biggest scam on this board and blamed by dashers for fragementing their scam and forcing their scamming leader to offer an air drop worth BILLIONS? you want to use that top to try to demonstrate I am net negative. That is one of many but perhaps my best one.

You could use that argument to quite reasonably stretch to  I am the person who started the movement that prevented bitcoin in its history being removed from the top position - many people have said if this had never blown up and the entire community had not been split over the dash captive instamine scam - which lauda and pharmacist can be demonstrated to have supported  then dash would have got beyond position 2.

You wish to pick to highlight that you dumb ass fools to say I am net negative and wonder why I am not banned already??

That is just one of the huge scams I have been first to highlight and bring total anarchy and wars over in the ALT section.

I mean can not even wonder what I could do to turn net negative here.

However if you add up every huge scam and every argument I have had with scammers and their wolves it will not be as great to me as having you all taken from positions of trust and power.

You dumb asses don't even realise that all of those posts have a link to the original quote at the bottom. This is such a fucking weak piece of shit you present like cowards under a fake brand new account.

Do you know I have never lost one argument ever on this board against people 20x smarter than you and 10x smarter than myself.

Why have I never lost?

I PRESENT THE TRUTH - does not matter how smart you are does not matter how much you try to twist and turn and bring the argument away from the truth I will bring you back and I will crush you with facts and observable events that you can not hide from.

It would not matter how many copy and pastes you found because none of those would be for any other reason than helping people or helping the community.  

The one you present is weak as your minds. The link to the fucking bullshit you present is contained at the bottom of the post you dumb fucks.

Click the links one by one and you will be presented with fact I am not the original source although the person who helped me investigate dash deeply was from anon coin and he supported deeply my rampage against the scamming captive instamine of dash.

I will now crush you all in meta for this you scumbags.

You are of negative net worth here on the basis of pushing your own agendas and trying to suppress and bully people that do not fit in with them.

I am laughing at you because you are a bunch of mediocre shit posters that have created your own reality here where statements like

"most pre merit legends are spammers"
" It is idiotic for anyone to believe that some of the 99.87% of this board are capable of making posts as good or better than some of the 0.13% of this board "

and fabricate lies and excuses like time travel for your abuse.

The next thread coming is of your own doing. You have 12 hours to login to your puppet account retract that report and beg me to forgive you all else I will insist Theymos himself investigates the facts of the thread I present and boot you jackals out of here for good.
Highest merited posters. You range from illogical to pathological.

If you thought my last post was good this bring even more credibility to my claims you are spineless scum that needs to be rooted out before this tumor grows.

I can't wait to see how this goes down...either it is demonstrated corrupt scum en mass can take control and force through their own jackal agenda and I go out for something so weak and pathetic that I am not even sure can be enforced if you do manage to bully those you surround

Or i get to watch you all fry  for this ....

I can not lose.

I have never encountered a dumber bunch of fools .... I have broken you in public time and time again... all of you. You have denied to answer me,  tried to pretend to put me on ignore, run and hide only to come  back with more deranged mania, such moon is beaten down each day by me with facts until he can not even function and spouts total madness, the rest are even more pathetic.

Just show me one page where you ever defeat anything I;ve said ... ever. I challenge you now bring the page.  I mean a full argument ...show me just one example of you being able to bullshit past the observable evidence I have brought here,

Bring it now ...... You will not.

Scour my post history look at the people I have argued with on here compared to you jackal grovelling cowardly puppet creating scum... and still I have not lost and argument. The truth can not be defeated by anything if you have already the observable evidence to provide proof or corroborating events.

Suchmoon you are done here I swear.

Also when you read this theymos and hillarios - I have evidence that suchmoon was taunting me about copy and paste by taking my words and putting them on his avatar with no attribution to myself and still there are some there now which i have screen shot.

He should be terminated at once just on that along with all this other shit he is embroiled with and for the accusations of " most pre merit legends are spammers " how many chances does this skank get?

This is exactly why we need to thrash things out to get some completely different opinions and then try to find the optimal course of action. There are quite a few factors to consider

There are some differences here. Based on Hilariousandco's statement

 Motive -  

1. wiki guy -  Doing it to help someone.  There is not essentially any financial reward for his time and effort. We don't know for sure he is trying to claim this work for his own either he could just see nothing wrong with posting some official stats from wiki on populations or gdp figures. He may assume that people realise he did not just take a huge head count of the entire populace of the world or construct a 2000 character table of figures himself in the 2mins since someone requested it or it became relevant to post in the thread or he just may have got a bit lazy.

So he put effort, tried to help , got nothing back financially , may even consider it is quite obvious that this is not his own work.



2. text spinner - doing it to help himself, knowingly doing something wrong, trying to claim it as his own work,


I mean the act is the same but the motives and type of person to do commit both infringements are likely to be very different. 1 type i think will work well as part of a community and become net positive after a slap on the wrist. The other type has already demonstrated a clearly devious and self centered trait that will need to have a much more serious punishment to help him see things in a different light. I mean text spinners to me should not have another chance.

that is just my opinion - nothing is black and white


PM's sent to everyone that there is now zero tolerance after this date. I am sure that would choke most of them off doing it.

Basing anything on merit right now is not going to be feasible. I mean I see some excellent posters that have not even earned more than 30-50ish after all of this time. I mean top tier posters - they post on the discussion boars more than places like meta.  

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These are all actually very good ideas. There are many ways to tackle this with out losing net positive members to head shots. Carrot and stick to keep people net positive is best. Perhaps 0.5btc is too much although we need to remember those that are within the ratio will get it all back. Those that actually lose it even after sensible consideration are actually quite worthy of some punishment if not total deletion.

The reward money will just go to any person finding extra copy and pastes open to the entire board to be split with original finder and  escrow fee for mods. So anyone can claim. But your other ideas sound quite fair too as good alternatives.

If we could arrive on this thread at a few different ideas then set them up as polls all over the board.

1. shit posters will freak and start deleting their own spam
2. they will be very aware we dont tolerate financially motivated copy and paste spam.

so that alone is part of curing the issue too.

Who is accusing who of what exactly? can you be more precise? I am not sure that I get your meaning? That doesn't sound like a very nice thing to be "accused" of for no reason at all. Are you being accused yourself ? are you one of these senior members someone is accusing of something?  Is this worthy of a thread or are you happy to just whine about it all over the place to people you consider a suitable audience. I would take your concerns to other boards. Maybe try bitcoin discussion or alt coin discussion or some board most users might give you some real feedback. I don't think echo chambers are the best place to keep sniping about it.

Come I will "help" you prove that your posts in particular are crammed full with infallible "logic", sound reasoning, free from all contradictions, "exemplary" morals. I will help you prove without doubt you are "deserving" of those merits and there are no grounds at all for this cycling merit groundless nonsense. We have time machine evidence too on our side.

 We can easily count on a DT member, merit source and "senior member" like you to dispel any such accusations in no time I am "confident" in this.

What do you say? or should you just forget about it all and stop sniping on about it still?

This is a straight up offer of assistance no shit. I will put lots of effort in for you. This is not a joke or insincere gesture. If you think you have been accused of something and there is no corroborating evidence that is observable by all then we should put them right, they will have no choice but to stop saying it because they will just be demonstrating they can not interpret the evidence correctly that we have provided for public analysis. I think this could redeem the entire merit system actually and make a good case for the fact it is more accurate that I had previously suspected of representing post value and the users fine character.

Let me know when you are ready to start .... you can count on my "support". I'll check back later to get the go ahead to start compiling a case for us to present as soon as I hear or send me a PM - no foul language though i don't think it will aid our case and the entire forum would be a better place without it but trying to stick to that at times can be difficult.


p.s sorry to hear the colostomy bag ruptured  during the night  

These are all good points. However to me the system we are all describing is basically the same to ID the users that are net positive matched to a set of criteria that demonstrates this. My proposal simply takes the load away from a few people and with the reward system decentralises the work load. If innocent you get your money back.

I agree with a lot of your points

However if we make it too small of an amount then it kind of lowers the risk reward ratio. I mean say if they only had to pay 0.05 then it is not much risk for them to put us through the trouble of scanning the history looking for more so they will still all appeal...and I don't think would inspire many people to try and find additional copy and pastes. I guess we could make legends pay more than noobs because they have larger post histories to scan so it is more time consuming to locate additional infractions? also legend should have more money? not essentially true either i guess so perhaps just cut it back to 0.25 if people think 0.5btc is too much. I mean remember if not guilty of more they get it all back.

Also legends are going to be getting something more the other way with the 1.1000 rule so it is swings and roundabouts.

Also the finding of extra infractions is a rewards structure for anyone or first to find enough for perm ban exceed 1.1000

I think merit reduction as suchmoon said could be good but people know my opinion on merit and noobs have none anyway. I guess it could work since very high merit earners (although may not be the best posters on this board) but they are probably very unlikely to be copy and pasters so perhaps the merit reduction could work because that would reduce rank usually anyway.

I mean if it was possible to disable sigs in the console of the forum this would be great at some point and could easily become part of the punishment then without messing with merit nor rank because they cant join sigs whatever then for 1 year.

@ etf i like those ideas too but I think a list of strict criteria is better than a group who decides without a list of criteria to match against.

Cutting down appeals from the real spammers who know they are spammers is key because that cuts away most of the waste of time.
If you get only 1 or 2 appeals a week or less from REAL good posters who know okay I have messed up or been lazy or done something someone didnt give a toss about years ago but It will easily be evident i am net positive under close scrutiny.... you have almost already solved the issue. Well you still need to detect

I actually agree with some this. Because if you have to reveal in public exactly what they did wrong or exactly how their text spun post can be reverted to original that has been copy and spun paste by certain algo or method and it works in more than one of their posts then they can rework this to avoid the detection spider. I mean to demonstrate it is copy and paste then you have to show how the technique used to spin from original.

Spun posts probably only need to be witnessed by a few members including people we know are unlikely to collude and if all agree it can be demonstrated to be text spun then no need to show to the public.  I think only though if totally impartial objective people are involved in seeing it and making decision on it.

It is not great to not have full public disclosure .... tough one to fix.

Very polite offender this time anyway

Yes that is true they copy from their twitter and copy from


Can you give complete step by step what you are copying from where and why. Give example ... It sounds like you are copying news from here to other forums which I guess can not be right else it is not copying and pasting here and we do not moderate other forums for them right. So I am not getting what you mean so far.  If you are a member of a community here and are copying news about your project from elsewhere to  your ann thread here then I see no issue with that either really.

Copying news say from twitter feed of a project to a projects thread here is common place by many teams copy their news from the twitter announcement to their threads here and of course is not copy and paste to be banned for perm.

Many people who are the community managers or just well known members of communities always copying and pasting twitter annoucement for that project  to the ANN thread

I guess it is better to see if there are improvements to be made by listing issues as they are now and issues after new system.

The more I think about it the more the other way seems a bit better than my first idea although I still feel the first idea could help and I would have to do a advantages and disadvantages to that later..

So problems the current system has

1. too many appeals  hinging on the fact they are hoping no other serious copy and paste can be found with NO risk to them for us wasting time finding what they hope we will not.
2. Only an appearance of an appeal once infraction substatiated because a/ if there is one case it is perm ban b/ not man power or incentive enough to scan  entire histories for others to validate or deny their claim so we dont know..
3. Is possible for a net positive poster that is telling truth about only doing once or less 1.1000 to be lost ..or person that made a mistake early on but has for years been a good poster
4. some people may (believing perhaps wrongly there is only 1 case or 1.1000) think some of them get rough treatment


New system where we find one copy and past and if they want to have a chance of a real appeal after actual infraction is confirmed then 0.5 btc (or some fee) put with escrow for 1 month (mod) if anyone finds more or more than 1.1000 then (fee) split between original finder, mod for escrow and first person to post information demonstrating exceeding of the 1.1000 or more than 1 if have not made 1000 posts. If they were telling truth (or more not found in 1 month) then money back. Then zero tolerance after that.

1. less or zero appeals from real bad eggs because there is now risk to them ... before they had no risk
2. chance of a real appeal ...1 month for anyone to find more
3. Real net positive will never be lost
4. everyone gets to find out the truth or far more chance of finding the truth about the person and no more guessing should we feel sorry for them or not.

There are still free appeals to those if it is a total mistake because that will be spotted at the outset. I have not seen any of these total mistake ones as yet. I have only seen 90% of real scammers and 10% I am not sure because how to know if they are really have made no other mistake or just lying hoping we can't find more because they have no punishment for lying right now because nothing more gets taken from them if we find out they are lying.

In this system though you would not be doing anything different you would be finding the culprits same as now. Your job in the system does not change you don't need to be the mod or the reporter for people evading sig ban. You still get to go after the other 100 shitsters.  The actual only difference for you is you will get a split of the fees. Even if you do not care about that it may encourage others to do like you are doing now for their bit of the fees.

Then mods who already have to make the decision after you report and also supply the reasons etc and listen to the appeal will just shove the fees in a cold wallet and keep ledger. They will get their fees too. and not have to listen to so many appeals.

Then other people who want to spy out for sig evasion to get some fees or even - maybe  scripts can be made 3rd party keep an eye on them anyway....but anyone watching them gets a split for finding them..

I agree not a huge amount would want go through this appeals process  but i have seen some legends on the appeals offer to pay 0.25 btc for review. People do get attached to their accounts and are certain they are net positive now.

I mean I agree if theymos opens up an option to ban sigs through the forum console that would be even better.

Also those appeals we are seeing here all the time now they will read the appeals process and just think no chance if they are not 100% sure they are net positives.

I mean not many will apply but we are not bothered about saving many only those that are real enthusiasts and it will cut down on appeals also i think. Most are hoping atm we will not find another bunch of their copy and pastes so they try it on claiming yeah 100% i only did it once or whatever but now they wont appeal at all. If it will cost them 0.5btc and no sig for a year then I think they will not be bothering to even appeal. So meta will get drastic drastic reduction in appeals.

I mean another slightly different idea could be

Appeals process is this - want to appeal and say you only made one or less than 1 in 1000 or some ratio - send 1 btc to mod and if no more are found in 3 months time by anyone on the board then money back. If more cases found then money split between original finder and new finder. Of course a smart original finder could find more already....this is now the risk of the copy and paster.

I think that will cut down on people appealing only done it one time or less than 1.1000

perhaps that could be easier.