This is a sensible reply. Although some may even consider it a troll in itself.

People can call anything they like trolling. There is no sensible definition as yet here.
You can be labelled a troll for presenting a facts based post or even on topic and relevant observable events. If it does not fit with the narrative of the majority of posters in a thread then it can/will be dismissed as trolling.

Trolling is a tricky one  because a person can be seemingly genuine and helpful but is actually trolling you. It really has nothing to do with tone. Someone can be quite rude and abusive but deliver to you useful,important and helpful information. Or someone can sound polite and helpful but be fucking with you big time. It's hard to tell without fully understanding the posters intent. I mean they might be trying to be helpful but they themselves incompetent with regard the specif topic. Or they may be expert and believe they are being helpful by telling you correctly (in their mind) you are shit and should give up and stop wasting your time.

Persons calling others trolls are often just trolling themselves.

It is a term that is misused greatly.

A post is either useful in that it contains on topic relevant new information/opinion that is observably correct and verifiable or there is a strong supporting case behind it. Or it is just low value, zero value or negative value speculation and groundless opinion.

I think it is reasonable to have this as self moderated since the DT members all have nearly everyone of their threads as self moderated and now even try to impose this "local rules" or self moderated nonsense in meta.

There really can only be a "for" side of this argument since it is a collaboration to have DT trust abusers removed from the trust system. Unless they undo their PROVEN trust abuse then there is no need for an "against" side of the argument. This is simply a union to have them removed. There is no need to listed to them nor their "supporters" explain or tell us they can abuse the trust system and also stay there.

It isn't really a shall we remove lauda and other proven trust abusers from the trust system. It is a remove lauda and proven trust abusers kind of thread. No debate is really called for on a call to action thread. There can be suggestions of other tactics to get them out or spoil their reign of untrustworthy abuse though so if anyone wishes to post along those lines I am sure it will remain and not be removed.

" a lot of people" = proven liars, proven trust abusers who admit it, proven sneaky greedy racist trolling sock puppet sig spammers  and their ass kissers and supporters?
Hate from those kinds of dirt bags is like a public endorsement for trust and being fair.

You are in line with them on many other issues which include the most important issue that is their agenda to prevent a transparent and fair system that ensures equal treatment for all members. They want the systems of control left as they are so they can continue to abuse them and so do you. You support that and you support their proven wrong doing by including them in your trust list. So stop lying that you are not ass kissing them to get some minor feltching role in their gang.

Yeah because if i supported someone-- I would then also support those proven untrustworthy scum bags whom have ~him because it does not matter apparently. Sounds legit. Make a stand if you are not a cowardly ass kissing little snake.

I don't like you, and I don't like any other person here supporting proven liars, trust abusers and other dirt bags with proven DIRT in the history whom dare to paint red on persons accounts for presenting facts.

All of you need to be kept well away from positions of trust and any other position on this board that is not closely protected and guarded by a framework (theymos creates) that prevents or punishes abuse for selfish gain.

I am please to hear that he is now considering making the trust system for those that HAVE been proven scammers and those STRONGLY  likely to scam.  The rest of the abuse needs to be removed or else you all get blacklisted for trying to use the DT system to silence those that present facts and observable events demonstrating prior wrongdoing by DT members themselves.

I personally can't wait for the systems to get tightened up so they are not having such an influence over free speech here and I can get back to a much more sensible and enjoyable part of this forum -- the alt sections. I never had many issues with people there in all of these years and most seemed a lot more fair and trustworthy than those lurking away in meta. This is a pit of vipers and scumbags. Also I am blinded with more sigs in here than in the community threads I used to post in.

How is it so many legends still need to spam for btc dust? are you all total losers and did not make enough in the last bull run to live well for the rest of your lives? or just greedy?

Remove your sig and contribute because you really are an enthusiast.

50 cents would be just okay  for what bitbay can achieve with even modest adoption/support. 1 dollar would be a useful figure but even that is not anywhere near the limit of what we should be aiming for long term.

We just need some decent size power sellers and reshippers on board when the web marketplace and peg are bug free and easy to use. I do not see that being that far into the distant future.

bump

Look at the "gang" members (who support each others views in nearly every thread when one of them or their tactics to take control of DT  or merit circling is questioned ) , then look on bpip just at the top 10 fans and receivers (imagine the top 20) of each of them.

These top receivers and fans are riddled with each other. It is one big political "pals" circle jerk.

Their explanation is they are the best posters in each others minds and that is that.

Then it just happens they all mostly include each other on DT

Then it just happens they all mostly excluded the same people on DT

Like I have been saying for quite some time this is there in black and white and nobody "here" in meta speaks up simply because the vast majority here are the very ones doing it and reaping the benefits and control.


I did not realise the extent of this growing issue until I found meta board and the group that resides there.

The others here are mostly noobs that are scavenging for merit crumbs from this group.

I mean nutildah is observably just a snake who says he supports bruno but some how just now ends up supporting all those that ~ bruno on DT.  Makes false accusations then runs when you ask him to present evidence. Just ended up a spineless asslicker like 90% of the others on meta hoping for some minor position in the "gang"

Suchmoon.... Well, this imbecile makes some of the most ludicrous statements ever and has observable double standards. She's also a self diagnosed scammer who goes on to claim that good poster/bad poster are meaningless terms without definition/criteria but then supports leaving the merit system as it is in it's meaningless state (for obvious reasons if you look at the cycled merit it grabs up and gives out).

You only have to debate with her for a few moments before it starts spouting ludicrous statements and defeating it's own claims. One min moaning about sock puppets next moment using them or sticking up for them.

You can clearly win the debate/argument over and over but will not garner more support in meta because most benefit from the way things are now.. I am just relaxing and watching it all gradually devolve into a full on war.

People will not accept punishment/red trust for minor wrongdoing or even just simple disagreements with those that have far more dirt on them in black and white in their own post history. Nor those that support these types of people in a trust system knowing full well their prior deeds.

Bitcointalk starts to die when traffic rapidly increases due to price spikes or huge bull runs.

It simply dilutes collisions between real enthusiasts that are not just here for a quick buck. As more people turn up only to ask how to grab a few bucks as fast as possible for as little effort as possible then they drown out and deter the real enthusiasts (most would have located this forum by now I expect,.. although perhaps a small % of new visitors that came just for the quick bucks do become real supporters of the movement) and they start to contribute less frequently.

When the bear market comes back those that were only here for a fast buck all vanish and the collisions between real enthusiasts increases and those that will support this community regardless of immediate financial reward whom may have dropped off start to get more involved and contribute more frequently once again.

I would worry less about the numbers of posters/visitors and more about the general quality and atmosphere of the board.

How easy is it to find an interesting and informative thread where people are getting along nicely and enjoying discussing crypto related projects/ideas is an indication of how "alive and well " the board is.

Seems very simple.

1. "extreme scam warning" ..those that stole the credit card information and bitcoins

2.  " possible warnings"  but still a strong case for them being potential scammer. This is still not a place for lemon love or hate to feature.

3. Lemons love or hate should really be neutral or just not really mentioned inside a trust system along with other things that have zero or very weak link to scamming.

Sounds like a great idea from Theymos. Let's implement it at once.

Theymos just told you. For red then

Either..

1. you are a proven scammer

or lesser warning sign for...

2. you have done something that STRONGLY indicates they will scam.

That sounds like excellent news.

Anything other than that is not red trust worthy. So let's get removing all the fake red trust abuse (because nobody will stand for this abuse by these proven untrustworthy scum) and if they in future do not operate within these guidelines they get black listed from DT.

So lets then see how these system abusers give out red trust.

I told a proven liar that if he continued to accusing me of lying without evidence (there was none so he was actually lying again) I would then encourage others to explore his post history when I knew there was evidence of him clearly telling a lie. For that I will not have red trust.

I think this new proposal sounds excellent.

It should be accompanied by a RULE that those on DT1 that can NOT present a case to demonstrate a person is either a scammer or a case to demonstrate there is STRONG evidence to suggest they will scam in the future get black listed from DT and get their merit source taken away.

Clear abusers of the trust system need some punishment else they will just abuse it as they see fit and nothing will improve. No point Theymos saying it should be like this then not punishing those that do not do as he tells them.  Treat the trust system as he tells you or else get black listed from it.

So next time you go to red paint someones account make sure you have a strong case or boom black listed. Just having that threat a real possibility will mean most persons (who want to stay on DT) will make sure they start only giving red where there is STRONG case for someone being a scammer or is going to scam.

Why would I complain about this new suggestion Theymos just made. I think it is an excellent idea.

No more petty arguments and bickering resulting in red trust and no more being able to use red trust to silence people from voicing their opinions that are based on observable events demonstrating your prior wrongdoing.

Being able to use the trust system to try to silence others reporting wrongdoing is a total perversion of how it is supposed to operate.

I like Theymos new proposal. Let us introduce it at once. No complaints from me.

1. you are a proven scammer
2. you have done things that build a strong case you will scam people.

If you give red trust but can not prove they have scammed or present evidence that provides a STRONG case they will scam someone then you are black listed and removed. No more abuse for personal gain.

thanks for the update...

Nice progress being made now.

still amazed people are selling this at this stage

sorry that you are too stupid to realise those 2 statements you quoted are not related. Hence why there are many other sentences in between them. I am not replying to myself as you said.

Now, if you are also too dumb to locate a thread when I tell you the sub board thread title and inform you that there is a search function that is your problem.

I supply all of that and still you supply ZERO

Just trying to help a fool like you see the error of your corrupt and untrustworthy ways.

cherry picking quotes to take it out of context and suit your agenda.... looks kinda untrustworthy to me.


Fair enough search for yourself.

tick tock

Lol please present evidence for these false allegations?? I await.

I will not accept red trust from trust abusing scum.

A matter of time for what?  

I asked to produce debates that I lost. Perhaps you were confused. I proved clearly merit is cycled, system of control are wide open to motivated abuse.

I just pointed you to search for the most important thread of the year in meta. What can't use the search function now ?

Now actually I hear others independent of my own experiences stating you are involved with lauda, tman and owlcatz.

This is not at all good -- for you.

You are a trust abuser and therefore untrustworthy. It is there in black and white.

I see dire poster wolf boy arrived. Go to meta to visit our last conversation. Another dumb shit who makes false allegations/statements he can not provide evidence to substantiate because it simply does not exist.

Is this yogg escrow untrustworthy scumbag back here rearing its untrustworthy and devious head?

Yeah, get to meta and look up most important thread of the year. We can continue the debate there.

Or pick a merit cycling thread there I started and continue there.

@phatass

is that OKAY you will remove your sig??

Good , get on with it then sig spamming shit poster.

Fuck you are stupid. "They" are trusted by who? the same corrupt self serving scum I want removed. Your arguments have zero foundation except that you say it has foundation. Where as I can PROVE they are liars and self confessed trust abusers. Not to mention implicated in extortion schemes and other such dirty deeds. Supported by dumb asskissers like you and other sock puppet racist shilling sig spammers who also like yourself care to lecture others on financially motivated posting.

Nobody cares about my existence ... boo hoo.... please fool get back to licking ass your insults are more like praise to me. This is the kind of comment I thrive on. In the "town" of meta the most rotten shit hole on this entire board.

"they " (presumably your masters who you ass kiss constantly)  can call me what they like, they have never beaten me in one debate. Provide evidence if you believe that they have. I have demonstrated they are self serving merit cycling trust abusing liars and scum.

Stop ass kissing, stop being a moron, stop spamming your sig whilst pumping out net negative garbled nonsense.

Get back to the swamp sig spamming ass kisser.

Remove your sig and post because you are an enthusiast for this forum not a paid per post shit poster.

Will you remove that gambling sig or not?? yes or no? are you just here to post for bucks or will you post because you support this forum??

I see others are noticing you are lecturing on financial shit posting whilst plastering your sig everywhere posting net negative dirt and supporting trust abusers.

Can you archive it again because I forgot to be specific with your forum address

which is

Timelord2067.com

I feel it appropriate to warn persons that you abuse the trust system here and are therefore untrustworthy. Therefore all services and websites associated with the Timelord2067  account here need to be treated with extreme caution as you incorrectly suggest my account should

It may not have virus, phishing links and trojans at this point but who knows in the future what someone untrustworthy could place there. Caution is advised.

That "fallacy" however apparently is the foundation for my red trust imbecile.


Moron you get more stupid. I am telling you that I do not believe the DT system functions correctly since they are provably open to selfish abuse and therefore all trust ratings (based on clear abuse) are null and void. Then you come and try to use that score as the foundation for another stupid statement about my reputation. My post history is my reputation.


Now get back to feltching for merits and some trust position to abuse.

Yes you will be added to the untrustworthy list. Since I see now clearly that you will support untrustworthy actions of trust abuse.

Go ask him to clarify then because I am sure he does not mean red trust should be given for presenting facts and reasonable opinions based on observable events and facts.

You are clearly using this thread to asskiss and spam you gambling sig everywhere. Net negative financially motivated shit posting is rife here by people like yourself.

Remove your gambling  sig before posting in my thread further I do not wish this thread used as an excuse for financially motivated net negative shit posting idiots.

Sorry been enjoying myself doing other things other then helping bitcointalk get rid of the bunch of self appointed "trustworthy" rogues and turds.

I have no need to flame you. You have a right to your own opinion.

However the fact I am not missed is a sign of great encouragement.

Then again even though there is no need... I can't resist just a little bit....

Perhaps in between licking various DT members assholes you can find time to highlight the SPECIFIC issues you have with my SOLE goal here of seeing implemented criteria that crushes the subjective swamp where these abusers draw their power from a goal that ensures fair and equal treatment for all persons on this entire board?


Once you can do that then perhaps I can find time to enter into a discussion with you about something solid rather than just wondering why you are such a pathetic ass kisser. Or such an imbecile you can not see that is all I am requesting.

I know in life it is hard to stand out from the "gang" and do the right thing. Well, I have never had any problems with it as we can see from my post history. Always having been one to fight for fairness and equality of all and trustworthy above and beyond reproach.

 This small battle in meta with a bunch of mostly low functioning morons that have to put me on ignore because they have never even once beaten me in debate (produce it if you find they have) and I have constantly crushed their excuses and lies that reveal they are abusing these systems of control that control PAID2POST that they are spamming and infesting over this board in their sigs.


Compared to some previous disagreements I have had on this board and in RL they are just fun to bitch slap around with facts about their past that is there in black and white and the fact the majority will NO WAY IN HELL remove their sigs to set a good example or prove they are not financially motivated shit posters themselves. Their double standards/hypocrisy and outright lies and abuse of these systems of control are self evident, only fools and complicit ass lickers can say otherwise.

Time for a sensible and fair change where all persons are treated equally. Merit the subjective self awarded nonsense is the first thing that needs removal or tightening up. Where noob trash with zero capacity to make any real difference here get to call real legends who are finishing up the missing pieces of the end to end decentralised trustless arena here - spammers, shitposters and worthless because they have feltched more political merit from their system abusing masters.

The thing persons need to realised here is that they can not have histories here in black and white riddled with wrongdoing and untrustworthy deeds and then expect other members to accept punishment from them for the same things or even deeds of a less serious nature. Human beings will never accept this it just goes against the grain.

You want persons on the DT list that are observably fair and have no provable of observable wrongdoing in their past. However with strict criteria keeping DT in check then it will help prevent future abuse for their personal gain.

I would prefer total chaos to unfair order.

@vit05 just another one that vanishes when you ask them to present examples of their "claims"  I should really create an entire thread of those that mouth off a load of garbled word salad riddled with false accusations then vanish when you ask them to produce evidence. They are fishing for political merit but their posts are not worthy because they are always faux and empty rebuttals and are net negative.
 


 

So another proven untrustworthy scumbag yogg turns up to defend another proven untrustworthy trust abusing scum bag. Obviously I appreciate the bump.

Provide some evidence for the lies that you mention or it is evident that you are now a liar also.

It is quite simple

Theymos has said that the trust system ie red trust is for scammers and those directly related to scams only.

You Yogg and timelord2067 have willfully chosen to abuse your positions of trust to incorrectly and unjustly label my account untrustworthy for actually telling the truth about your pals. That is untrustworthy and actually a total perversion of what the trust system is meant for. Therefore if you are willing to knowingly abuse the trust system for your own agendas it is quite clear that any services you run are to be treated as suspect and warnings should be issued to those that use them.

I say again therefore that I would avoid  http://bit.do/yoggescrow or yoggescrow services because they are operated by a proven trust abuser and therefore should be treated with extreme caution if not avoided altogether. He is now also spreading lies regarding myself lying but will not provide evidence.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5098315.0

The same for https://www.timelord2067.com this site is operated by an untrustworthy person and as such I would advice avoid visiting it since untrustworthy persons have been known in the past to use phishing scams , virus, and trojans. Untrustworthy persons should not be trusted. Seems like a reasonable approach to me.

This is simply a fact: that if you prove yourselves to be untrustworthy and knowingly and willfully misuse red trust to ruin other persons accounts for your own personal reasons then you must be treated as untrustworthy and so must your services.

You don't get to abuse the trust system and ruin other peoples accounts then cry for special consideration from those same people. You treat them as a trust worthy person would and perhaps then you will be treated the same.

Until then you are welcome to bump this thread as often as you like crying about your unfair treatment and so can your ass licking noob trash merit begging imbecile friends.

Let me walk you idiots through it.

1. if you willingly abuse the trust system you are untrustworthy.
2. untrustworthy persons providing services to others should be considered risky. Therefore extreme caution should be taken when considering using a proven untrustworthy persons services.

sorry if that is difficult to understand but if you keep thinking about it may sink in.

Yogg "Yeah, we get it, life is not fair"

Sorry, but I aim to make it fairer. Nothing more.