Can you demonstrate some of this outwitting? I await some examples. Tman outwitting lolol

The pharmacist outwitting - you don't joke about things like that in public.

Let's keep the conversation in the realms of just unrealistic I reserve ludicrous mode for loyceV and suchscamoon.

But i'll let you provide the examples anyway..... tick tock

So I see a few people are getting back involved with beecoin. Let's hope we can get it going off the ground. The fairest POW launch of any coin period.

ah i see.
That is interesting Jet cash. I was not aware of that. Now I am.

Most sensible attempt at a refutation so far.

You obviously are or you are trying to get off topic. Successful refutation of my central point that invalidates it.

So let me simplify for you suchscamoon.

Prove (with evidence where the OP is saying something untruthful or unreasonable.  A successful refutation of my central points.

I mean just objecting or just saying no to something can be a rebuttal.

Typical suchscamoon. Won't provide any attempt at a successful refutation but will try to divert on some small point to direct away from the fact he has no counter.

However it does prevent people from participating in the PAID2POST that most of the DT members /merit sources like to benefit from.

Hence why strict criteria needs to be introduced. Subjectivity is where abuse stems from.

Moron don't try to sound intelligent. You are observably stupid.

Now

1. tried to bring a rebuttal is not bringing one. Please understand what a rebuttal is first.
2. bring me the exact rebuttal (there is not one) or make your own (this will be funny) or just remain silent?

Don't ask me where ... lol

Stop sig spamming and remain silent unless you bring new substantiated relevant information. I am trying to train you monkeys in the hq lq post.

Read that thread and do not reply unless your post meets those criteria.

Those smarter than you are not attempting to refute the OP because they know it is impossible to refute the facts therein contained.

Some may give unsubstantiated opinions but no rebuttal. Try to understand bitch.

So nobody reply until you can bring a sensible fact based rebuttal. No point you all just cycling over and over with groundless opinions.

LOL - please settle down fool.

He gave an opinion not a fact based rebuttal. I'm sorry that you can not understand ... go read the what makes a hq and lq post thread I have provided. Then have a think about that.

Theymos just has a different definition of scam than what is here https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/scam  and to the vast majority of  of the board at the time the details of the scam was widely broken

Theymos has not maybe read the entire OP actually it seems that he states that .

Calm down moron and relax. There is no need to get upset this is a reasonable debate based on observable events. Nothing more.

Pick one tiny segment of the OP (about all your mind can cope with) and pick it apart using facts and logical debate. I will entertain you.

Oh some very different speculations on my point of starting this thread..... interesting.


Look to every person here it is a very simple challenge - well perhaps not for most of you but still..

1. examine the OP

2. bring forth a rebuttal based on fact.


I see nothing but an opinion of a person but if they would engage me in a real debate it would prove impossible to maintain this those opinions using

1. the accepted definition of a scam

2. the observable events.

The only part of Theymos reply that is possible to entertain in light of the facts and the definition of a scam https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/scam

Is that Lauda (although by suchmoons and my own definition is untrustworthy/scammer needing red trust)....by Theymos definition (who does not for some reason accept darkcoin/dash as a scam or believe maybe that lauda was part of an extortion attempt or believe his escrow actions are negative or negative enough to counter his good works.) may choose to believe Lauda is up for debate weighing his bad and good deed against each other.

 This is a possible view point to take. However for me TRUST is different from net postive or net negative in terms of you can not do untrustworthy things, then do some useful things and become trustworthy again. Well not worth risking if you have people that have never done anything at all untrustworthy and done some good things.


I mean for sure if you can find some rebuttal - bring it and we can debate it.

This is what forums are for debating. Let's see.

I mean If I am keeping you from making some merit stats or whatever no need to reply.

I see no rebuttal only opinions.

GO VISIT WHAT MAKES A HQ AND LQ post get an idea of what your post should contain.

Been given ... you can lead a horse...... go rebut my op on the theymos thread. Theymos opinion is Theymos opinion it can not alter observable events.

Hmmm let's investigate these facts.

Dash is not a scam. " scam is a deception" - announce fair launch then .... this happens https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=560138.msg7535561#msg7535561

I mean if that can not help you understand it is a scam then that is not my fault. It is accepted as a scam by the vast majority of the board. Not one person here claimed dash is not a scam before Theymos so that shows how accepted it is as a scam.

Lauda is a proven scam protector and enabler and LIAR ... I and suchmoon view scam protectors and enablers and untrustworthy and think they should have red trust. Theymos says if they have canned some other scammers and done some good things that makes them....well sort of okay on balance. To me that is still welll....  and is allowed to RED TRUST anyone who tells him that protecting scams and lying about the instamine is not good? LOL

Suchmoon - excellent member ... proven to demonstrate double standards in black and white. hmmmm  Well excellent if you like giving power to those that have proven to have double standards.

Theymos is entitled to his opinion and I am very glad that he gave it.

That does actually not somehow change any of the observable events that I have posted in the OP. If someone can demonstrate how it does feel free to break it down.

That was kind of disappointing.

Dash is not a scam? What defines a scam?

Take into account they claimed a fair launch

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=560138.msg7535561#msg7535561


then they reduce the rest of the available minting by 75%?

then they create masternodes to compound their advantage and suck off miners to the end?

this is not a scam
deceptive act or operation

To simplify for easier reading.

Lauda - claimed it was on the launch and there was no premine? for years protected/enabled/promomted that scam

suchmoon - red trusts people for promoting POSSIBLE scams but adds lauda to his trust list knowing of his prior promoting/enabling a proven scam. Also knows about laudas other unethical sub optimal behaviours ( i mean sub optimal gives a lot of scope i guess)

Restating because OP was too long to read for many. These are the cliff notes.

1. is incorrect.  Re read the thread. If you can not see how, ask me.  It is suchmoons opinion and my own. If not get such moon to come and explain how it is not. I mean explain in light of my facts how he has not proven himself untrustworthy. Perhaps you are claiming someone that has enabled, lied and protected scams is trustworthy? Is that what you are saying?


2. If you can not see the glaring issue here you are either stupid or have not read the OP .... go have another read. Then revise it.

3. It is being used as a deterrent. It does not work on me but may on others. Perhaps they are encouraging me by placing red trust? Please get serious.

come on get some half smart people to form a rebuttal, dogs, cats wolves, tman, ....haha come on where are the smart scammers and scam enablers. How have this bunch of observable retards reached these levels on this board?

well done you got 5 merits from a scam protector and probable extortionist for forcing me to actually HELP YOU.

I also think Jetcash has proven to be a complicit scam helper now. So needs removal also. He is either too old and stupid to digest fact based information or a complicit scammer or just a pussy and scared ....either way DT can not suffer such such a dangerous supporter of scammers. Look at him meriting tman for essentially producing a post that is based on false assumptions and lies.

STILL NO DENIAL OF FACTS I PRESENTED IN THE OP YOU NOTICE......

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5095469.msg49176960#msg49176960

have another read it is there in black and white

Just like back in the darkcoin days.... sometimes when things are so infested and dirty it seems fun because there are so many people trying to prevent the observable events from being proven facts.  Then over time they realise contrary to their lies and excuses there is no time machine and you can not go back and change the observable events.

Keep coming Meta is the most fun sub board since alt discussion with lauda  and fellow scammers denying observable events....

I never want it to stop. It is like the fun will be over once the swamp is drained. So it is win win for me. The swamp is drained or else more dirty scamps that want to continue abusing and scamming to bitch slap around with FACTS.

I mean NONE of you have made a rebuttal or proven me to have said anything that is not correct.

Let that sink in for a moment before I bring out the facts to bitch slap you all about some more and listen to the excuses, lies, lemons, time machines, scare quotes," "most" pre merit legends are scammers "  " it is idiotic and incorrect to believe that some of the 99.87% of this board are capable of making some posts as good or better than the "0.13%" ..." I CAN WILL AND HAVE"  just red trust you for daring to tell about my scamming friends. " tmans sexual fantasies about carrots , assholes, uncles , parents" suchscamoons self scamming diagnosis.

How can I lose this kind of thing is beyond something you can just purchase. This is doing the right thing, making things fairer, dredging the swamp and being fully entertained at the same time.

Keep it coming guys I will reply as and when I can. Also JET CASH YOU IMBECILE can you make sure to provide a video that proves you are trying to make light of scammers infesting DT and red trusting proven scam hunters. That's a nice touch that I will make sure to not ever let you forget.

I mean people who have me on ignore needing to comment. Get a grip. I'm on ignore fair enough keep away then.
This is not about just ME.

This is about the ability for DT to be used as a tool for scammers to silence scam hunters presenting facts.

Re read or not it is up to you. This is a VERY important issue for the entire board not just ME.

I am loving though everyone coming here to oppose this because you can not alter observable FACT.

Jetcash - I now see you are not interested in facts and support scammers??

It is great to get all the untrustworthy in one go.

Keep coming but I see as yet NO DENIAL OF MY FACTS PRESENTED  well done. Keep coming I am enjoying dredging the swamp.

Dear Theymos,


Please can you read this fact based post and then give me your opinion on each of the points. I do not want any mod moving this because this is for Theymos directly. I have tried to discuss with MODS and although they have been fair to this point I prefer to hear directly from the top so that I know how the forum is going to go here from this point on.


Having been a long time member here and have discovered and fought to crush some of the largest and most unfair scams ever to come to bitcointalk. I will just mention 1 here.

Now I wish to present FACTS that I feel demonstrate that certain members need to be blacklisted from both the trust system and from the merit source system.

The most analysed scam on this board is Darkcoin/DASH. This have been studied in depth by 100's of persons on this board after I (who was on the launch on the first page of dash launch) realised that whilst they claimed a fair launch protocol like other POW launches of that time that they certainly did not want a fair launch and engineered it so they may captive (only they) instamine (10x size 500coins blocks by at rocket speed).

There has been much analysis on it but this seems a simple one that someone assisted me and others to once and for all crush their supporters lies by providing this..

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=560138.msg7535561#msg7535561

There is much more but that covers the basics of the scamming launch and they went on to reduce the rest of the announced minting by 75% I believe so compounding their huge instamine, then to further compound and benefit forever from miners they made up masternodes and I am sure you know how it all turned out.

Whilst I was battling it against those that that were promoting and enabling this scam to flourish because not many people after this point realised xcoin changed its name darkcoin.  Anyway there was a guy called LAUDAM (lauda now).

He fought for ages against me and others who realised it was a scam claiming there was no instamine and there was no unfair launch (which they claimed was fair launch )at all. There are lots of posts from LAUDAM some may be edited now but lots still remain. Here is one example.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=560138.msg6748208#msg6748208

If you read the history of laudaM then you will start to see that he was a protector and enabler of the biggest most investigated scam on this board. A proven Scam. He lied constantly saying there was no instamine because he was at launch.


So here is the weird part (I mean aside from lauda being allowed to red trust me for simply telling him I will inform others of his publicly observable past and they can check it out) I mean that is a threat only if he has something to hide in the first place.


SUCHMOON
 - now this person is provably a hypocrite and also a scammer/scammer protector/enabler deserving red trust by his very own definition. Suchmoon gives red trust to people for simply promoting POSSIBLE SCAMS i mean these are not even PROVEN SCAMS. He says you promote POSSIBLE scams you are enabling scams and therefore an untrustworthy/scammer who needs red trust. I agree with him if it is a proven scam or very highly probable a scam actually.


https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5093172.msg49081005#msg49081005

Here is exactly how.

He has been told many times Lauda was promoting and defending a PROVEN HUGE SCAM. He knows this and yet.. He still however ignores

1. The fact lauda is untrustworthy/ scammer
2. Not only does he not RED TRUST lauda but actually adds him to his trust list
3. Ignores the fact lauda and friends trying to silence me from telling about his past history so agrees with DT being used to prevent or punish those that reveal factual information regarding scams or scammers.


I mean that minex guy ( minex not as yet a proven scam) is the  same as a  scammer according to  suchmoon and he gives him red trust.

however

Lauda - lies and says no instamine and goes on to lie and protect this proven scam for months. Suchmoon adds him to the dt1 trust list and gives him no red trust??


Lauda comes into threads I am on claiming I have told lies?? I ask him for evidence he provides NOTHING. He then keeps bugging me in threads and I  I will tell present facts from your past. Lauda red trusts me now for saying that?

Lauda and his friends are using the TRUST system to give my account red trust for .... saying that I will reveal his past that is publicly available and factual just actually his post history.

He and his friends are using the TRUST system here to corrupt it so badly that it is not being used for highlighting scams and scammers. It is now being used to silence people who say they will whistle blow (again) on scams and scammers.


I would like to see then manually blacklisted from DT lists and Merit sources (any positions of trust or power)

Can you tell me please...

1. if you will do this
2. if not then can you tell me why will you allow these types of people to infest positions of trust and control here. Surely there must be enough people here on this forum with squeaky clean pasts that demonstrate fairness and non scamming or hypocritical behaviour.


Also now I have started bringing up the fact prove scam enablers should not be able to red trust scam hunters for saying they will inform others about those facts.

They change their story and say we gave you red trust because you are insane and make crazy claims.

Next I say okay bring just one crazy claim that is untrue and we will investigate this. - THEY REFUSE

Next TMAN ( and Owlcatz ( implicated in several dirty looking things with LAUDA and OWLCATZ  - https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1764757.0))

Starts to tell me that I am crazy because I use strong language to present facts to people that been aggressive to me first (actually I am always nice to people in every thread unless they become hostile to me first or are scammers or protecting scams) this can be proven by studying my entire post history.


So apparently that makes me crazy but he comes with some very strange sexual deviance with carrots in ass pipes, uncles touching me up or parents doing it, an entire array of very aggressive sexual fantasies he spouts out all over the place? this sounds like very serious damage and not even related to any facts at all.

He then makes his biggest mistake of all he publicly admits in black and white something that there can be no mistake over.

I tell him he can not Red trust me for presenting facts about scammers and scams

He tells me - " CAN WILL HAVE"  and if I don't like it tough luck???

I would like to hear your opinion on this and if this will merit their blacklisting from DT and merit sources?  Because really I can see nothing more perverse (other than tmans fantasies) than the DT system being used to Red trust scam hunters presenting factual evidence about scams?


Thanks for careful consideration and reply.

p.s I know you may think I am ungrateful actually about the systems in place and I know perhaps you made a lot of effort and time to making them. However I am not ungrateful at all I just want to help get this board back to how it was before.

Making it all decentralised and automated is great but it can not start with a bad root like this and it needs all subjectivity removed as much as possible because that is where the abuse takes root and multiplies. We need carrot and stick to keep people using these systems and intended and if carrot and stick does not work then they get the chop.

This is all just my opinion not facts like the above.

thanks
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No sorry that thread is a presentation of FACT you dumb moron. You see me calling you a dumb piece of shit is just obvious fact. I mean if you want to call  some one crazy for swearing at scammers daring to leave a scam hunter red trust ....then you need to therefore at the very least remain calm and civil (not that would prove anything other than the person is understandably annoyed at spending time fighting scammers only to see them get in positions of trust and leave them red trust for bringing up the fact they are scammers).

 However you go off the scale from swearing at scammers giving red trust to scam hunters and start expressing worrying sexual deviance

You then go full retard and start with some insane sexual deviance with NO facts and end up admitting you gave the red trust to me for simply telling the truth about your scamming mate lauda.  https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5095381.msg49158592#msg49158592


 SO see you  are factually proven a dumb fucking turd. Do you understand yet?

 this is sexual deviance and far more insane

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5095381.msg49156092#msg49156092

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5095381.msg49158299#msg49158299

with no facts at all.

you don't get to call me crazy for just swearing whilst i present facts about scammers. Sorry.


If you ask me again I will copy and paste this for you every time until you grasp the concept or that your head collapses like a rotten pumpkin under the strain.

See how it feels to be crushed over and over and over again in public. Go ask suchscamoon the self diagnosed scammer.. he will tell you the only thing you can do in the end is press ignore and tell yourself that you just do want to listen to bullshit ( proven facts that nobody can deny lol)  because in the end you realise people presenting facts and truth can not be beaten. Plus it does not help that you are both thick as shit.

LOL that is not true I have it in black and white you said you have given it for presenting factual information about your friend being a scammer.

So there is nothing you can do about that now because I requoted it and archived it ....oh dear.

Also you are the one talking about shoving carrots into your asshole and uncles touching them up.....

I present facts you talk about things sexual deviant nature and go full retard with zero facts and then think you can get away with calling me crazy

sorry moron wont work.

trust abuse from scammers to silence scam hunters revealing their past = fact.

You are a moron that just self destructed your own argument by going full sexual deviant psycho on me. You dumb shit.

Dont you get it even my harsh language does not make me crazy. I am simply not sugar coating you are a dumb fuck this is a fact. I mean look how you admit in black and white  YOU WILL CAN AND HAVE  after I say you can not red trust me for presenting only facts about scammers.

Then look how you go full sexual deviant psycho with no facts at all and try to say because I use harsh language to present facts I am crazy. haha

Got it you thick piece of shit.

I ask the questions around here not you.

You're the scammers I am the scam hunter get it?

You never answer anything I ask for.