Russian Invasion of Ukraine[In Progress]

[be.open]

Okay, two months ago some missile (possibly Russian) fell near a children's hospital and zero children died in that sad incident. It is impossible to remain silent in the face of such a horrific war crime by Russia, so let's talk about it again.

Ok, I got your point. You would be more happy if there was 50 or 100 children killed. And FYI, there was at least 2 casualties confirmed, including one doctor, I'm not even talking about injured ones.
OK, let's say it was Ukrainian rocket,how it didn't killed dozens of children? Or implying that that hospital was empty, or it wasn't even hospital building. I don't get your flawed logic.

The fact that you continue to chew over this episode from two months ago with a tenacity worthy of a better cause clearly shows that this is not a typical event and cannot be extended to the entire manner of Russia's military operations in Ukraine.

If I show you a recent video of Ukrainian soldiers torturing Russian prisoners captured in the Kursk region with electric current, does that mean that all Ukrainian soldiers are war criminals? I don't think so. But some Ukrainians do commit war crimes. Probably some Russians, too. That is inevitable in armed conflicts of this scale and intensity.

I cannot validate your claim, it may or may have not ever happened.

However, there is a pattern by Ruzzia of hitting civilians, there is a pattern in hitting schools and hospitals and shopping centres - it is not a one off. There is one guy called Andrew Perpetua. Him plus his reduced team has probably seen more videos of the war than anyone else. This person has stated many times that Ruzzians are systematically hitting civilian vehicles with drones, clearly not carrying anything but ordinary people for target practice in Kherson.

Ahaha, that's great - ordinary people in wartime just go to target practice.

Tell me, was the recent strike by two Iskanders on a training center for UAV operators in Poltava with many casualties a correct operation or also a war crime?

[Branko]

Ahaha, that's great - ordinary people in wartime just go to target practice.

Tell me, was the recent strike by two Iskanders on a training center for UAV operators in Poltava with many casualties a correct operation or also a war crime?

Most western media renamed it to "hospital"

[Darkesthourred]

Okay, two months ago some missile (possibly Russian) fell near a children's hospital and zero children died in that sad incident. It is impossible to remain silent in the face of such a horrific war crime by Russia, so let's talk about it again.

Ok, I got your point. You would be more happy if there was 50 or 100 children killed. And FYI, there was at least 2 casualties confirmed, including one doctor, I'm not even talking about injured ones.
OK, let's say it was Ukrainian rocket,how it didn't killed dozens of children? Or implying that that hospital was empty, or it wasn't even hospital building. I don't get your flawed logic.

The fact that you continue to chew over this episode from two months ago with a tenacity worthy of a better cause clearly shows that this is not a typical event and cannot be extended to the entire manner of Russia's military operations in Ukraine.

If I show you a recent video of Ukrainian soldiers torturing Russian prisoners captured in the Kursk region with electric current, does that mean that all Ukrainian soldiers are war criminals? I don't think so. But some Ukrainians do commit war crimes. Probably some Russians, too. That is inevitable in armed conflicts of this scale and intensity.

I cannot validate your claim, it may or may have not ever happened.

However, there is a pattern by Ruzzia of hitting civilians, there is a pattern in hitting schools and hospitals and shopping centres - it is not a one off. There is one guy called Andrew Perpetua. Him plus his reduced team has probably seen more videos of the war than anyone else. This person has stated many times that Ruzzians are systematically hitting civilian vehicles with drones, clearly not carrying anything but ordinary people for target practice in Kherson.

Ahaha, that's great - ordinary people in wartime just go to target practice.

Tell me, was the recent strike by two Iskanders on a training center for UAV operators in Poltava with many casualties a correct operation or also a war crime?

We are not talking about Poltava, but how Russian bombs, missiles, and so on fly into residential buildings, there are plenty of records when the missiles themselves fly. Not the debris from the air defense, but the missiles and bombs themselves. And in general, do not forget that on February 24, 2024, Russia crossed the border and became the aggressor.

[be.open]

We are not talking about Poltava, but how Russian bombs, missiles, and so on fly into residential buildings, there are plenty of records when the missiles themselves fly. Not the debris from the air defense, but the missiles and bombs themselves. And in general, do not forget that on February 24, 2024, Russia crossed the border and became the aggressor.

What happened, why don't you want to talk about Poltava? It seems to be the most effective missile strike by Russia during this entire conflict, maybe it would be better to discuss it than your empty and unsubstantiated fantasies about strikes on civilian objects? There are rumors that the Ukrainians sold information about the formation on the parade ground in Poltava to the Russians for 500 thousand dollars in bitcoins.

Most western media renamed it to "hospital"

For some reason this doesn't surprise me at all.

[paxmao]

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The other day I saw a guy comparing a snail crawling towards Ukraine for a year vs the Ruzzians invading for a year. Guess who covered more distance.

The Russians obviously understand that territory is, in a lot of cases, a liability.  High cost in taking it, and ongoing cost in holding it in many situations.  The only time area really matters a lot is at the end of the conflict.

This is a pretty easy concept and I don't think that the reason it seems to escape the 'Ukrainians' is because it is difficult.  It's one of  the main supports for my hypothesis that the 'leadership' of Ukraine considers the loss of Ukrainian souls in this operation to be 'a feature, not a bug.'

Ukraine is focused on 2D (aka, area.)  Russia is focused on 3D (aka, volume as in 'gas in the tank'.)  Pokrovsk is a good illustration about how 'area' is very cheap and pretty much there for the taking when the enemy runs out of gas.  The goal is to get the enemy into a situation where they are completely out of gas and without options to get more so that they don't just run out of gas locally and as the result of an unforced error (Kursk <-> Pokrovsk).

If it a question of time-area, then it did not go well for Ruzzia, considering they have lost a full year worth of land in the couple of weeks of the Kursk offensive.

The data disproves you hypothesis of Ukraine seeing a feature in Ukrainians being killed - I mean, if it even if such unsubstantiated comment has to be disproven.. The average age in the Ukrainian army is very high compared to others because the government is trying to have a future for the country.

Ukraine is not focused on land, they are focusing in asymmetric war. It is not possible, as of now, to hold all the land at no-matter-the-price, but it is possible to make it economically and politically not worth it. This is how smaller countries defend themselves - not only Ukraine.

[Vallkeinec]

Who has any thoughts on how to end the conflict? I think this is the most important question right now.

[be.open]

Ukraine is not focused on land, they are focusing in asymmetric war. It is not possible, as of now, to hold all the land at no-matter-the-price, but it is possible to make it economically and politically not worth it. This is how smaller countries defend themselves - not only Ukraine.

I recommend you read a recent article in Foreign Affairs: Putin Will Never Give Up in Ukraine.

The article itself is interesting and refutes your favorite thesis that Russia is supposedly incurring exorbitant costs and therefore the war will soon end. This strategy is wrong, it is not about money.

Who has any thoughts on how to end the conflict? I think this is the most important question right now.

It is very easy to end the conflict, it is just that the only realistic scenario for ending the conflict does not suit either Kyiv or Washington.

[BADecker]

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If it a question of time-area, then it did not go well for Ruzzia, considering they have lost a full year worth of land in the couple of weeks of the Kursk offensive.

The data disproves you hypothesis of Ukraine seeing a feature in Ukrainians being killed - I mean, if it even if such unsubstantiated comment has to be disproven.. The average age in the Ukrainian army is very high compared to others because the government is trying to have a future for the country.

Ukraine is not focused on land, they are focusing in asymmetric war. It is not possible, as of now, to hold all the land at no-matter-the-price, but it is possible to make it economically and politically not worth it. This is how smaller countries defend themselves - not only Ukraine.

It's over for Ukraine. Gradually we are being shown how she is collapsing. Looks like Zelensky is becoming the new Stalin.


Ukrainian government COLLAPSING as panicked Zelensky purges officials


https://www.naturalnews.com/2024-09-08-ukrainian-government-collapsing-panicked-zelensky-purges-officials.html
If things are going so well for Ukraine like the Western media continues to report, then why is Volodymyr Zelensky purging senior officials within his regime like there is a bounty on his head?

According to reports, Zelensky canned Rostislav Shurma, the deputy head of his office, and accepted resignation letters from three ministers this week. Ukraine's deputy prime minister also called it quits in a sudden departure.

Zelensky issued a decree on the Ukrainian government's website that Shurma is no longer employed by the regime, but no reason was specified for his sudden dismissal.

Ruslan Stefanchuk, the speaker of Ukraine's parliament, further revealed that the following politicians all resigned this week:

Vice Prime Minister for European Integration Olga Stefanishina

Minister for Strategic Industries Aleksandr Kamyshin

Minister of Justice Denis Maliuski

Minister of Environmental Protection Ruslan Strilets

Zelensky is also said to be considering firing Foreign Minister Dmitry Kuleba and numerous other high-level officials, this according to numerous anonymous sources familiar with the matter.

(Related: Meanwhile, the United States and NATO are forging on with their nuclear extortion plot against Russia – what could go wrong?)

Ukraine is losing

Ever since the start of the war between Russia and Ukraine, Zelensky's government has been a revolving door. Senior officials come and go at Zelensky's whim, it would seem, usually having to do with Ukraine's setbacks and failures in holding back Russia.
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[paxmao]

Back to the real world... there are images of the Kerch Bridge, railway section, and it is not looking good. This probably explains why it is not used for heavy military supplies. The ferries have also been severely hit, so it has become difficult to load the trains directly and transfer them. Ruzzia has now to route the supplies through the invaded territories in the south (Mariupol, etc...)

There are also quite a few news of strikes of Ukraine well beyond the front line. I will try to post a few videos or pics if they become available.

The thermite drones are now being used more often in several locations by Ukraine. It seems a quite capable (and nasty for the opponent) tool.

Who has any thoughts on how to end the conflict? I think this is the most important question right now.

Putin and most of the Ruzzian apologists here have a plan = the problem is that they (voicing Putin) are asking for the type of things you have to take if you can, because nobody is going to given them for free.

[Branko]

If it a question of time-area, then it did not go well for Ruzzia, considering they have lost a full year worth of land in the couple of weeks of the Kursk offensive.

The data disproves you hypothesis of Ukraine seeing a feature in Ukrainians being killed - I mean, if it even if such unsubstantiated comment has to be disproven.. The average age in the Ukrainian army is very high compared to others because the government is trying to have a future for the country.

Ukraine is not focused on land, they are focusing in asymmetric war. It is not possible, as of now, to hold all the land at no-matter-the-price, but it is possible to make it economically and politically not worth it. This is how smaller countries defend themselves - not only Ukraine.

Germany in WW2 took 13 000 times more area, and lost. Your strategic thinking stopped at around 2nd century BC

[suchmoon]

It is very easy to end the conflict, it is just that the only realistic scenario for ending the conflict does not suit either Kyiv or Washington.

I think you're wrong, Putin's death suits Kyiv just fine. Not sure about Washington, he's been dead for a while so probably has no strong opinions about this.

[BADecker]

It is very easy to end the conflict, it is just that the only realistic scenario for ending the conflict does not suit either Kyiv or Washington.

I think you're wrong, Putin's death suits Kyiv just fine. Not sure about Washington, he's been dead for a while so probably has no strong opinions about this.

If Stalin were alive in Ukraine, he'd be happy with Putin's death, too. Of course, maybe Zelensky is the new Stalin. But, he has a long way to go to catch up to Stalin's murders.

[be.open]

It is very easy to end the conflict, it is just that the only realistic scenario for ending the conflict does not suit either Kyiv or Washington.

I think you're wrong, Putin's death suits Kyiv just fine. Not sure about Washington, he's been dead for a while so probably has no strong opinions about this.

I think your opinion is very infantile. It's like thinking that there would have been no World War II if Hitler hadn't failed the entrance exams to the Vienna Academy of Fine Arts (twice).

People are only conductors of ideas, and some ideas have a very strong tendency to be implemented. Putin is a very cautious and balanced politician, remove Putin and the conflict will not stop, but only increase the speed of its escalation. This is clearly seen, for example, in Putin's very calm reaction to Ukraine's invasion of the Kursk region (clearly not the one Zelensky was counting on).

Back to the real world... there are images of the Kerch Bridge, railway section, and it is not looking good. This probably explains why it is not used for heavy military supplies. The ferries have also been severely hit, so it has become difficult to load the trains directly and transfer them. Ruzzia has now to route the supplies through the invaded territories in the south (Mariupol, etc...)

LOL  

Russia is actively using the new railway line that it recently built in the occupied territories because now the logistics have become much shorter, which is why it built it. After the opening of this line, the logistical role of the Crimean Bridge in military cargo transportation has decreased to almost zero. The rational sense for Ukraine to attack this bridge has also decreased to zero, it will not bring any real dividends to it, except for political PR and media activity. Well, maybe you can issue a new series of postage stamps and earn a little money on this. Of course, this will not close the huge hole in the budget, but at least something.

[Malletyou]

Super, Azov entered New York, stopped the Russians and even recaptured some territories.