Russian Invasion of Ukraine[In Progress]

[paxmao]

^^^ Just remember. Russia doesn't think the same way we do. It took them until 2022 to react to the Ukraine war that Ukraine and the US started in (or before) 2014. When Russia reacts, it will cause devastation to Ukraine, if that's what Russia wants to do. We don't totally know what they want to do.

^^^ objection Your Honour, the poster above has long been proven not to think at all.

Ruzzia does not think. Putin & the FSB do the thinking, the Army does the killing and the rest look to each other's shoes and try to ignore they are there. There is no mystery about how the FSB thinks - it is the KGB working a new patron.

 The only thing left for Ruzzia is nuclear escalation. They have asked their allies for weapons, including ballistic missiles, shells, components and anything else you can think of. They have bombed cities, hospitals and then the power infrastructure. They have blown dams, mass graved civilians, deported minors...

There is no more other than nukes, and that leads to the fall of Putin, hence...we are where we are. There is no secret wonder to be pulled out of Putin's hat.

If you do not agree, show that you actually know what you talk about. How can Ruzzia cause a significantly larger damage without risking Putin's fall? If you do not have an answer... time to start doing some thinking of your own.

As usual, you talk so silly. You think that Russia's only way to move in a war is with nukes. But they still have a million reserve troops, all ready and waiting for Nato to make a wrong move.

Meanwhile, Ukraine is almost totally out of troops.

Seriously dumBAss, you calling silly is like Trump calling liar.

So your argument is that Ruzzia has many soldiers in reserve??? You obviously have not compared the numbers of soldiers between NATO and Ruzzia, but certainly are not looking at the level of production, economic power and equipment. Again, the last thing Ruzzia wants is for NATO to be involved - that is Putins biggest fear and likely to end his regime if ever happens.

However, even the idea does not make sense... on one side you say that Putin can attack NATO, but on the other side you say that it is ok to give him Ukraine. If what you say is true (which is not really), there is a practical need of having Ukraine between Ruzzia and Central Europe.

You think that Russia's only way to move in a war is with nukes. But they still have a million reserve troops, all ready and waiting for Nato to make a wrong move.

Problem is those "troops" are only good at killing unarmed civilians. A++++ star grade for that. Top of excellence. The crème de la crème. Pride of Russia.

However, when challenged against a real army, with weapons, the wheels quickly fall off.

Actually, no USA war had "better" killed soldier/civilian ratio...or just look at Israel,
Both USA and Israel are "collateral damage" champs, totally not caring about dead civilians
Considering amount of munition fired, Ukraine war is one of cleanest, despite whole
western media attempts to prove otherwise

Strawman argument + whataboutism.

Yet, true...and, can you suggest better method than comparison with other wars?

If you want to whattabout... we could use Georgia? Syria?

[BADecker]

~

As usual, you talk so silly. You think that Russia's only way to move in a war is with nukes. But they still have a million reserve troops, all ready and waiting for Nato to make a wrong move.

Meanwhile, Ukraine is almost totally out of troops.

Seriously dumBAss, you calling silly is like Trump calling liar.

So your argument is that Ruzzia has many soldiers in reserve??? You obviously have not compared the numbers of soldiers between NATO and Ruzzia, but certainly are not looking at the level of production, economic power and equipment. Again, the last thing Ruzzia wants is for NATO to be involved - that is Putins biggest fear and likely to end his regime if ever happens.

However, even the idea does not make sense... on one side you say that Putin can attack NATO, but on the other side you say that it is ok to give him Ukraine. If what you say is true (which is not really), there is a practical need of having Ukraine between Ruzzia and Central Europe.

~

So, you are suggesting that Russia should desire war with Nato? Nobody wants war except the few who profit off it. Is that why you are in favor war? A warmonger profiteer?

Putin doesn't want war with Nato - might be one of his biggest fears, just like a whole bunch of the rest of us - because the result would be possibly the destruction of whole earth. So, why is the West pushing for war as hard as they are? Just to steal the property of Russia and Siberia? Don't you realize that war with Russia will destroy you... at least your lifestyle?

Give Ukraine to Putin so that he can rebuild her, since the war is almost over, especially since nobody would do it better, and the West wouldn't be inclined to do it at all. You keep talking like you are in favor of Ukraine, yet you keep wanting her to be destroyed all the way... like a radioactive wasteland that nobody can inhabit or even desire.

Anybody can attack Nato, even one Nato country attacking another. It happened all over the place in WW2. It can happen again. Consider how Hungary doesn't want to play the Nato game against Ukraine. And some of the other Nato countries are thinking along these lines, too.


You blabber this way and that. Is the spittle running out of the corners of your mouth, yet... down your chin, into your beard?

[Branko]

If you want to whattabout... we could use Georgia? Syria?

Yes we could, but you should to check first who attacked whom in war against Georgia, then you could
check how many civilians died, then maybe even check why Georgia keeps American bitch Saakashvili in prison

Also check why Israel/USA proxy ISIS tried to topple Assad, and why Syria called Russia to help, and not USA

[paxmao]

~

As usual, you talk so silly. You think that Russia's only way to move in a war is with nukes. But they still have a million reserve troops, all ready and waiting for Nato to make a wrong move.

Meanwhile, Ukraine is almost totally out of troops.

Seriously dumBAss, you calling silly is like Trump calling liar.

So your argument is that Ruzzia has many soldiers in reserve??? You obviously have not compared the numbers of soldiers between NATO and Ruzzia, but certainly are not looking at the level of production, economic power and equipment. Again, the last thing Ruzzia wants is for NATO to be involved - that is Putins biggest fear and likely to end his regime if ever happens.

However, even the idea does not make sense... on one side you say that Putin can attack NATO, but on the other side you say that it is ok to give him Ukraine. If what you say is true (which is not really), there is a practical need of having Ukraine between Ruzzia and Central Europe.

~

So, you are suggesting that Russia should desire war with Nato? Nobody wants war except the few who profit off it. Is that why you are in favor war? A warmonger profiteer?

Putin doesn't want war with Nato - might be one of his biggest fears, just like a whole bunch of the rest of us - because the result would be possibly the destruction of whole earth. So, why is the West pushing for war as hard as they are? Just to steal the property of Russia and Siberia? Don't you realize that war with Russia will destroy you... at least your lifestyle?

Give Ukraine to Putin so that he can rebuild her, since the war is almost over, especially since nobody would do it better, and the West wouldn't be inclined to do it at all. You keep talking like you are in favor of Ukraine, yet you keep wanting her to be destroyed all the way... like a radioactive wasteland that nobody can inhabit or even desire.

Anybody can attack Nato, even one Nato country attacking another. It happened all over the place in WW2. It can happen again. Consider how Hungary doesn't want to play the Nato game against Ukraine. And some of the other Nato countries are thinking along these lines, too.


You blabber this way and that. Is the spittle running out of the corners of your mouth, yet... down your chin, into your beard?

No, you have said that Ruzzia has a large number of soldiers and NATO should be concerned with it. It is actually YOU who have implied that Putin could make that choice. Seriously, you need have some coherent though to take decissions.

Either Ruzzia is ready to fight NATO, in which case is better to support Ukraine than having to support Poland, Germany and Findland

OR

You think Ruzzia is not ready to fight NATO, in which case it is OK to let Ukraine progress towards a western style democracy - thus needs support.

And again, if you say NATO should be afraid or Ruzzia, you would need to compare the relative size of the economies, resources, people, technology and war material available to both sides - hint: NATO wins, like 5 times over. NATO could even take China and Ruzzia together.

The rest of you post is, once again, vague statements with no proof. You should revise the definition of "blabber" or understand that saying that the other guy is doing something is not a really cunning way of covering you doing it.

[BADecker]

^^^ You almost sound like you are talking semantics. Meanwhile, Russia moves ahead without a bunch of talk. Why doesn't Ukraine just surrender and live? We know why. Her West controllers want her destroyed along with Russia.

A caption from a picture in the below article: "In this photo taken from video released by the Russian Defense Ministry Press Service on Tuesday, June 25, 2024, Russian soldiers fire the 152-mm howitzer "Msta-B" in an undisclosed location in Ukraine. (Russian Defense Ministry Press Service via AP)"


Ukraine is in serious trouble: The Russians have the initiative, settlements are falling one after the other


https://rmx.news/article/ukraine-is-in-serious-trouble-the-russians-have-the-initiative-settlements-are-falling-one-after-the-other/
Settlements and villages continue to fall to Russian forces along various sectors of the eastern front

Russian forces are advancing across the Donbas in various directions and successfully occupying villages and settlements, reports Hungarian financial news outlet Portfolio.

Citing reports from Reuters, Ukrainian military bloggers and other sources, the paper notes that two settlements, both north and south of the city of Kurakhove have fallen, Zolotya Niva and Zorjane Perse.

Although Ukraine’s General Staff has not confirmed the loss of the villages, it admitted that the sector around Kurakhove “was the site of the heaviest clashes on the eastern front.”

In recent days, Ukrainian forces have been forced to retreat in other areas as well, with last week serving as a special blow to Kyiv with the fall of Ugledar (Vuhledar) after Ukrainian forces previously successfully defended the city for two years. The city, which is strategically important, was labeled a “fortress” by its previous defenders due to its massive tower blocks that rose up from the surrounding plains.
...

[cpu6502]

Why doesn't Ukraine just surrender and live?

Because it's better to die fighting for what you believe in, with honour and courage, than surrendering and dying in some Russian holocaust style gas/torture chamber hell.

If they surrender they are dead men/woman/children walking anyway, the logical option is to fight.

[BADecker]

Why doesn't Ukraine just surrender and live?

Because it's better to die fighting for what you believe in, with honour and courage, than surrendering and dying in some Russian holocaust style gas/torture chamber hell.

If they surrender they are dead men/woman/children walking anyway, the logical option is to fight.

If you believe in your own death, why not simply commit suicide and get it over with?

If you believe the West is really going to support you, why didn't you get your big weapons from them before you started the war in 2014?

If you think that Russia is going to kill you if you surrender, where is your evidence of such?

Russia has backed away many times in this war to keep from harming civilians. If they start harming them now, it's because they are angry at Ukrainian stupid aggression which just doesn't seem to want to stop.

If Ukrainians gave in to Russian demands at the peace table - which demands don't include conquering all of Ukraine - the war would be over, and people would live. Russia is going to win this thing anyway. Does Ukraine really want to die?

I agree that you have your choice. I wouldn't force you to keep from killing yourself if you really wanted to do it. And I agree that Ukraine has that choice as well. But they don't make any sense to die for nothing, and lose it all. Dying for pride is dying for stupidity. Surrender and live.

[cpu6502]

^^^^^^

Ukrainians are smart enough to read the history books, so they're knowledgeable what happens when dictators are appeased.

"Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it." - George Santayana, 1905

[BADecker]

^^^^^^

Ukrainians are smart enough to read the history books, so they're knowledgeable what happens when dictators are appeased.

"Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it." - George Santayana, 1905

We all understand this easily. All we need to do is look at the million killed in this war because of Dictator Zelensky.



Well, he cancelled elections, didn't he?

[Lida93]

Don't believe me, read what member of Ukrainian parliament says:

https://web.facebook.com/share/p/r8rzbsqoyXR3vE3C/

"Another damaged "Patriot", and it's not the first one."

Well, she said not much different thing that I posted - damaged Patriot. There is no talk about critical damaged. But in general, I wouldn't call Bezuhla as reliable source - she is spreading so much bullshit that sometimes looks that she works in favour of Russia.

I think the tone of her statement doesn't seem like that of someone who may be on the side of the opposite but that of someone who's tired of  having a military general whose military tactics and prowess are not yielding the expected results. Probably because the enemy side must have studied and understood him easily predicting his next line of action before he even strikes. Perhaps a change as she is calling for could make some significant positive effects, except that the president in his own wisdom doesn't seem it that way.

[Branko]

How easily western media changes its narrative:

https://www.newsweek.com/evidence-war-crimes-committed-ukrainian-nationalist-volunteers-grows-269604

Even Ukrainian hardliners now see the truth:

https://t.me/vicktop55/27222

[metamorphosyys]

^^^^^^

Ukrainians are smart enough to read the history books, so they're knowledgeable what happens when dictators are appeased.

"Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it." - George Santayana, 1905

They understand that their home needs to be protected from the eastern hordes.

[Branko]

^^^^^^

Ukrainians are smart enough to read the history books, so they're knowledgeable what happens when dictators are appeased.

"Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it." - George Santayana, 1905

They understand that their home needs to be protected from the eastern hordes.

Yet, this Ukrainian general looks to another direction for enemies, all the way to 2014:

https://www.bitchute.com/video/3Jw4nMh8AR1X/

[BADecker]

^^^^^^

Ukrainians are smart enough to read the history books, so they're knowledgeable what happens when dictators are appeased.

"Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it." - George Santayana, 1905

They understand that their home needs to be protected from the eastern hordes.

Yet, this Ukrainian general looks to another direction for enemies, all the way to 2014:

https://www.bitchute.com/video/3Jw4nMh8AR1X/

Besides, the Ukrainians were the Eastern hordes. Not any more, since they are almost gone now.

[paxmao]

^^^ You almost sound like you are talking semantics. Meanwhile, Russia moves ahead without a bunch of talk. Why doesn't Ukraine just surrender and live? We know why. Her West controllers want her destroyed along with Russia.
[...]

Not semantics BA. Either NATO has something to fear from Ruzzia or it does not. You cannot ride the two horses at the same time.

The fact is that Ruzzia is a problem for Europe and the US. Too big, too unpredictable in their government and frankly, completely controlled by an intelligence agency. Best course of action for Washington: make sure the threat is limited as much as possible.

You wonder why Ukrainians fight? Then you have not done your own research, you are repeating stuff you heard.

[BADecker]

^^^ You almost sound like you are talking semantics. Meanwhile, Russia moves ahead without a bunch of talk. Why doesn't Ukraine just surrender and live? We know why. Her West controllers want her destroyed along with Russia.
[...]

Not semantics BA. Either NATO has something to fear from Ruzzia or it does not. You cannot ride the two horses at the same time.

The fact is that Ruzzia is a problem for Europe and the US. Too big, too unpredictable in their government and frankly, completely controlled by an intelligence agency. Best course of action for Washington: make sure the threat is limited as much as possible.

You wonder why Ukrainians fight? Then you have not done your own research, you are repeating stuff you heard.

Have you been to Ukraine and Russia lately, and polled the people there? What research that is not media controlled have you done?

All Russia wants to do is trade with the world. If Europe and the US fear her, it's because she is better than the West at trading. And that is exactly it.

Russia would base her trade on sound money, like the gold and silver, that they have been storing up. They don't want to base it on the US/Europe banking systems that are constantly inflating the money by stealing it in forms of banking trade.

This shocks the systems of the West... that somebody would want to eliminate their foul trading actions. So, yes. They fear Russia because it's working for Russia and the world. Even average people of the West are seeing how corrupt the Western banking systems are.

But I need to thank you for helping me bring this out into the open by questioning my reasons for posting as I do.

[Branko]

Russia would base her trade on sound money, like the gold and silver, that they have been storing up. They don't want to base it on the US/Europe banking systems that are constantly inflating the money by stealing it in forms of banking trade.

This shocks the systems of the West... that somebody would want to eliminate their foul trading actions. So, yes. They fear Russia because it's working for Russia and the world. Even average people of the West are seeing how corrupt the Western banking systems are.

Libya, North Korea, Romania, former Yugoslavia, Russia, China...they all want/wanted to
get rid of dollar and inflation/interest based economy...and for some reason someone
is giving free cookies in all those countries, making them revolt

This guy explained it the best:



https://www.theinvestorspodcast.com/bitcoin-fundamentals/the-us-economic-hitman-john-perkins/

[BADecker]

Russia would base her trade on sound money, like the gold and silver, that they have been storing up. They don't want to base it on the US/Europe banking systems that are constantly inflating the money by stealing it in forms of banking trade.

This shocks the systems of the West... that somebody would want to eliminate their foul trading actions. So, yes. They fear Russia because it's working for Russia and the world. Even average people of the West are seeing how corrupt the Western banking systems are.

Libya, North Korea, Romania, former Yugoslavia, Russia, China...they all want/wanted to
get rid of dollar and inflation/interest based economy...and for some reason someone
is giving free cookies in all those countries, making them revolt

This guy explained it the best:



https://www.theinvestorspodcast.com/bitcoin-fundamentals/the-us-economic-hitman-john-perkins/

I want a free cookie......       

[Branko]

I want a free cookie......       

Beware, one moment you're enjoying free cookies, next one you find yourself in a muddy trench
with Lancets flying above your head

[BADecker]

I want a free cookie......      

Beware, one moment you're enjoying free cookies, next one you find yourself in a muddy trench
with Lancets flying above your head

How about a brownie with powdered sugar on top? Chocolate is better for you anyway.

Besides, the US people are almost there... cookies.


Ukrainian Officers Raid Restaurants, Bars, Discos and Concert Halls for Conscripts, as Forced Mobilization Now Reaches the Untouched Elite Even in Capital Kiev (VIDEOS)


https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2024/10/ukrainian-officers-raid-restaurants-bars-discos-concert-halls/
In Ukraine, finding men to keep the war effort going has become more and more difficult.

Millions of fighting-age men have fled the country. Hundreds of thousands have already died in combat. Countless others are deserting everyday leaving combat positions unmanned.

For months we have witnessed videos showing how brutal the forced mobilization has become, with officers snatching people on the streets, sometimes clashing with family members of the 'volunteers' other concerned citizens.

But now, as the desperation is setting in, Ukrainian military recruitment officers have started raiding restaurants, bars and even a concert hall in the capital Kyiv.

This means that privileged portions of the population that had so far been spared are beginning to be targeted.

The mobilization goons are reportedly checking military registration documents and detaining men who were not in compliance.

EuroNews reported:

"Officers descended on the Palace of Sports venue after a concert by a Ukrainian rock band and video footage aired by local media appears to show officers stationed outside the doors of the concert hall intercepting men as they exit.

In the footage, officers appear to be forcibly detaining some men. Checks were also conducted at Goodwine, an upscale shopping center, and Avalon, a popular restaurant."

So far, it was unusual for such raids to take place in the capital, and it now reflects Ukraine's desperate need for 'fresh recruits' for the military.

Under martial law, all Ukrainian men aged 25-60 are eligible for conscription, and men aged 18-60 are not allowed to leave the country.
...