Russian Invasion of Ukraine[In Progress]

[paxmao]

I do understand, yes, I would spend as much money as required for survival, I just do not think that Ruzzia has been under a military threat. Firstly, because they have nukes and ICBMs - who would want to attack Ruzzia??

Second, Ukraine and Europe had to accept the invasion of Crimea and sit still. Why did not Putin simply stopped there? I think that the reason was not related to security, but rather to thinking that taking Ukraine was easy and would provide plenty of distance to NATO. That did not happen. Why the stupidity of putting in the constitution that Ruzzia would simply have four more regions when he did not even control two of these in full??

I am afraid that Putin has not plan B other than doubling the bet, and it is time for a plan B for him, for Europe and for Ukraine.

Glad we understand each other. This conflict will end when Russia receives sufficiently convincing security guarantees from the collective West and in return can provide sufficiently convincing security guarantees for Ukraine. Until then, Russia will continue to expand its zone of active influence by all available means.

Putin takes very seriously the regular statements of Western politicians about the need to inflict a “strategic defeat” on Russia. Perhaps for Western politicians these are “just words” aimed at gaining political points in domestic political games, but I would advise them to stop this practice and start thinking about what they can offer Putin as convincing security guarantees.

And Ukraine can already stop running around the world, signing meaningless security guarantees, because Ukraine can only receive the only weighty and significant security guarantee from Russia. Simply for geographical reasons.

It is the same with Europe. Look it was Putin who decided to annex Crimea, not to mention have a "puppet" in Bealoruzzia". It would seem to me that the guarantees would need to go from East to West. There is no possibility of an agreement if  any previous international border is not respected and the treaties are not worth the paper these are written it.

In my view, Ukraine should decide about Ukraine. It is no wonder they are looking West. BTW I think that Ukraine can get guarantees just as the rest of countries that border with Ruzzia and are now NATO.

In principle, I do understand Ruzzia spending in "security", I just think is not working as intended. There is less security for Ruzzia and endless expenses. One has to know when doubling will bankrupt. Again, you need a Plan B.

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In 1941 during Operation Barbarossa German forces captured many Soviet cities including Minsk, Smolensk and Kiev. The Soviets captured nothing.

Except we're now in 1943, not 1941, if you want to draw parallels

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Are you sure?

[Branko]

War has huge impact, but not on a country you'd expect...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JEWCtIKsEgw

UK is one of major investors in this war, and 4 million destitute people
can confirm that

[paxmao]

War has huge impact, but not on a country you'd expect...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JEWCtIKsEgw

UK is one of major investors in this war, and 4 million destitute people
can confirm that

If it were for the "news" you'd think that the whole of Europe is poor and living in misery. It is a common piece in UK news, French papers, Italian, Spanish...

But let's analyse UK: 4 million of "destitute people", of a total population of 66 million. That is a poverty index of 6%. Shall we now talk about the 20 million below the poverty line in Ruzzia? Thats is nearly 12%  - and that is if you'd like to believe the official figures and not counting the "satellite countries", which fare terribly worse.

BTW, people in the UK and Western Europe in general do not get "destitute", there is a social network of support, particularly if they have children. There is very little unemployment in most of Western Europe (except perhaps the south). People living in the street usually suffer some type of mental disorder.

[BADecker]

^^^ And none of them realize that their wealth is fake fiat wealth that can collapse anytime with the banking whims.

Russia is solid, not being built on banking whims. Ukraine is finding out that the US banking whims are collapsing their whole country.

[Hispo]

^^^ And none of them realize that their wealth is fake fiat wealth that can collapse anytime with the banking whims.

Russia is solid, not being built on banking whims. Ukraine is finding out that the US banking whims are collapsing their whole country.

I believe the most solid thing about the Russian economy is the fact much of their GBP depends on the commerce of gas and oil, those are commodities which will always have intrinsic value in the Asian market, as still many countries in that continent rely on fossil fuels to keep their machines going. If Russia did not have as much energy in the form of gas and oil, they would be indeed in big trouble. And since now the European Union seems to be pushing for a transition towards green energy and the political consequences of his conflict, the Kremlin has found new potential and welcoming clients in both China and North Korea, India is also willing to buy energy from them at discount, as they have already done in the past.

[BADecker]

^^^ And none of them realize that their wealth is fake fiat wealth that can collapse anytime with the banking whims.

Russia is solid, not being built on banking whims. Ukraine is finding out that the US banking whims are collapsing their whole country.

I believe the most solid thing about the Russian economy is the fact much of their GBP depends on the commerce of gas and oil, those are commodities which will always have intrinsic value in the Asian market, as still many countries in that continent rely on fossil fuels to keep their machines going. If Russia did not have as much energy in the form of gas and oil, they would be indeed in big trouble. And since now the European Union seems to be pushing for a transition towards green energy and the political consequences of his conflict, the Kremlin has found new potential and welcoming clients in both China and North Korea, India is also willing to buy energy from them at discount, as they have already done in the past.

Would be fun showing you right from the ground up, what all of this has to do with everything. Not that you are not well on your way, but you simply haven't gotten down to the basic fundamentals, yet.

British common law laid it out, but one has to really think. American common law simplified it so extremely that people don't understand how simple it is.

It all has to do with the difference between people and persons. And it is this way for Russia and Ukraine in their war... and essentially every nation. But it is difficult to think in such simple fashion as it really exists.

[paxmao]

^^^ And none of them realize that their wealth is fake fiat wealth that can collapse anytime with the banking whims.

Russia is solid, not being built on banking whims. Ukraine is finding out that the US banking whims are collapsing their whole country.

I believe the most solid thing about the Russian economy is the fact much of their GBP depends on the commerce of gas and oil, those are commodities which will always have intrinsic value in the Asian market, as still many countries in that continent rely on fossil fuels to keep their machines going. If Russia did not have as much energy in the form of gas and oil, they would be indeed in big trouble. And since now the European Union seems to be pushing for a transition towards green energy and the political consequences of his conflict, the Kremlin has found new potential and welcoming clients in both China and North Korea, India is also willing to buy energy from them at discount, as they have already done in the past.

dumBAss has been waiting for many years for that stuff to "collapse" and he will probably die thinking it is about to happen just next week. I think he does not realize that he is not really good a realizing.

China will buy from Ruzzia but they need to solve their banking crisis with some speaking of 40% of bad debt across 4000 banking province and local banking entities. So BA, put your money where your mouth is an buy Yuan. What could go wrong?

 Ruzzia will always be the weak partner on that one. NK is irrelevant economically. India is much more leaning towards the "West", but will keep its options open anyway.

However, none of this is going to make the cost of war any better for Ruzzia.

[be.open]

A Czech mercenary from the Carpathian Sich battalion is being tried for looting in Bucha

In Ukraine, Killings of Surrendering Russians Divide an American-Led Unit

The first link is especially interesting. A Czech mercenary admits to war crimes he committed in the place of the high-profile staging of accusations against Russia.

[Pidgeon]

Do snail swim?
Just asking if I should cancel my Lauderdale gator wrestling match in 2218?
I barely manage to secure those tickets, wouldn't want some russki invading at that time!

Russia is solid, not being built on banking whims.

That's why they defaulted two times and denominated their currency 3 times in 50 years?
They cut 6 zeros from it and still can't bring it to parity!

[Hispo]

^^^ And none of them realize that their wealth is fake fiat wealth that can collapse anytime with the banking whims.

Russia is solid, not being built on banking whims. Ukraine is finding out that the US banking whims are collapsing their whole country.

I believe the most solid thing about the Russian economy is the fact much of their GBP depends on the commerce of gas and oil, those are commodities which will always have intrinsic value in the Asian market, as still many countries in that continent rely on fossil fuels to keep their machines going. If Russia did not have as much energy in the form of gas and oil, they would be indeed in big trouble. And since now the European Union seems to be pushing for a transition towards green energy and the political consequences of his conflict, the Kremlin has found new potential and welcoming clients in both China and North Korea, India is also willing to buy energy from them at discount, as they have already done in the past.

dumBAss has been waiting for many years for that stuff to "collapse" and he will probably die thinking it is about to happen just next week. I think he does not realize that he is not really good a realizing.

China will buy from Ruzzia but they need to solve their banking crisis with some speaking of 40% of bad debt across 4000 banking province and local banking entities. So BA, put your money where your mouth is an buy Yuan. What could go wrong?

 Ruzzia will always be the weak partner on that one. NK is irrelevant economically. India is much more leaning towards the "West", but will keep its options open anyway.

However, none of this is going to make the cost of war any better for Ruzzia.

Unlikely BD would turn to the Chinese yuan, to be honest. It is well known China and the Chinese government represent one of the main foes to be beaten within the MAGA movement. So we will not have a single Chinese Bill ote in his wallet.
Besides, if I recall correctly, Chinese yuan is famous around the planet for being perhaps the most important Fiat currency which needs to be artificially devaluated for the sake of keeping big corporations inside the country and not to pull out their capital and assembly lines from there, moving to alternative markets, like India or Pakistan.

While I agree the economical size of North Korea is irrelevant compared to China and Russia, the alliance indeed had some political significance, otherwise it would have not produced so many political headlines some days ago.

[BADecker]

US led forces in Ukraine are murdering surrendering Russians... straight forward, outright murder.


Bombshell NYT Expose Details War Crimes By American-Led Volunteer Force In Ukraine - https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/bombshell-nyt-expose-details-war-crimes-american-led-volunteer-force-ukraine.

[paxmao]

A couple of nights ago, Ukraine has sent a quite massive drone swarm. There is satellite evidence of large fuel storage facilities and other oil related target burning big time. I guess it is not even news nowadays, but also munitions depots have been hit in several localities.

Meanwhile, a full Ruzzian attack in Kherson was done with -guess what...not tanks, not BMP, no armoured cars... just with Chinese desertcross... AKA, "golfcarts". It is just criminal that Ruzzian bosses are sending troop to the front just to purely die like that.

[tvbcof]

Do snail swim?
Just asking if I should cancel my Lauderdale gator wrestling match in 2218?
I barely manage to secure those tickets, wouldn't want some russki invading at that time!
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Russia always said that their interest was to de-militarize Ukraine, and that they are doing better than even they probably thought possible.  Territorial/economic gains would seem to be an unanticipated windfall.  They have more of an ethical obligation than a simple opportunity take it as such, and the people living in the areas they appropriate will be the lucky ones if the last 20 or so years is anything to go by.  The citizens voted overwhelmingly to do that  in the areas where they had an opportunity to do so.

[kirgizskiyprezz]

A couple of nights ago, Ukraine has sent a quite massive drone swarm. There is satellite evidence of large fuel storage facilities and other oil related target burning big time. I guess it is not even news nowadays, but also munitions depots have been hit in several localities.

Meanwhile, a full Ruzzian attack in Kherson was done with -guess what...not tanks, not BMP, no armoured cars... just with Chinese desertcross... AKA, "golfcarts". It is just criminal that Ruzzian bosses are sending troop to the front just to purely die like that.

Ukraine would still be able to successfully hold its defense, because... they are still losing territory...

[cpu6502]

Ukraine would still be able to successfully hold its defense, because... they are still losing territory...

The frontline is fluid, somedays it goes east, some days west. Most of the time these movements are meaningless.

Take a step back and look at the bigger picture.

The human lives and resources being consumed (just to stay relatively still) are just beyond words. Just mind boggling.
Picture a person on a treadmill at the gym, but replace Russia with that person. The treadmill is set to max and Russia has to run full sprint just to stay still. Can't stop or will be chucked backwards into a wall, can't go forwards because already at max speed.

Something has to give. Something must give. Something will give.
Just a question of when. Tomorrow? Next week? 1 year? 5 years?

Of course, Russia decided voluntary to get on the treadmill in the first place; so geniune sympathy will,  and should be, non-existent.
They thought the treadmill speed would be set to 1, however Ukraine cranked it up to 10 for them.
Invasions have consequences, particularly bungled ones.

[nurnbergprocess]

Ukraine would still be able to successfully hold its defense, because... they are still losing territory...

The frontline is fluid, somedays it goes east, some days west. Most of the time these movements are meaningless.

Take a step back and look at the bigger picture.

The human lives and resources being consumed (just to stay relatively still) are just beyond words. Just mind boggling.
Picture a person on a treadmill at the gym, but replace Russia with that person. The treadmill is set to max and Russia has to run full sprint just to stay still. Can't stop or will be chucked backwards into a wall, can't go forwards because already at max speed.

Something has to give. Something must give. Something will give.
Just a question of when. Tomorrow? Next week? 1 year? 5 years?

Of course, Russia decided voluntary to get on the treadmill in the first place; so geniune sympathy will,  and should be, non-existent.
They thought the treadmill speed would be set to 1, however Ukraine cranked it up to 10 for them.
Invasions have consequences, particularly bungled ones.

Ukraine has enough weapons, but its human resource is very small, I think Russia is ahead here. All further actions will only harm Ukraine.

[cpu6502]

Russia always said that their interest was to de-militarize Ukraine, and that they are doing better than even they probably thought possible.

That hasn't worked out too well then. Another self-inflicted strategic failure from Russia.

Territorial/economic gains would seem to be an unanticipated windfall.

Trust me, it was anticipated.

They have more of an ethical obligation than a simple opportunity take it as such, and the people living in the areas they appropriate will be the lucky ones if the last 20 or so years is anything to go by. 

So you're suggesting Ukrainians stuck in occupied stolen land that have lost their freedom are the lucky ones?

The citizens voted overwhelmingly to do that  in the areas where they had an opportunity to do so.

Voting with a gun pointed at your head is not voting. There's been no voting in occupied land.



All the above is just meaningless Kremlin propaganda.

[Betwrong]

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And Ukraine can already stop running around the world, signing meaningless security guarantees, because Ukraine can only receive the only weighty and significant security guarantee from Russia. Simply for geographical reasons.

A "security guarantee from Russia" and some puppet president like Yanukovich or Medvedchuk?

We don't want to live in Russian gulag. We want to be a free country coexisting with the civilized world. In your opinion, we don't have that right?

[cpu6502]

Putin takes very seriously the regular statements of Western politicians about the need to inflict a “strategic defeat” on Russia.

The only country inflicting a stragetic defeat on Russia, is Russia.

Why? Easy. Because the pathway and all decisions leading to that defeat have been voluntary on the part of Russia. Not intentional of course, but that's a different thing. They bungled their invasion, no-one else.

[Branko]

A couple of nights ago, Ukraine has sent a quite massive drone swarm. There is satellite evidence of large fuel storage facilities and other oil related target burning big time. I guess it is not even news nowadays, but also munitions depots have been hit in several localities.

Meanwhile, a full Ruzzian attack in Kherson was done with -guess what...not tanks, not BMP, no armoured cars... just with Chinese desertcross... AKA, "golfcarts". It is just criminal that Ruzzian bosses are sending troop to the front just to purely die like that.

Its still way better than running, which is what Ukrainians are doing...btw, you somehow missed to comment Ukrainian
war crimes discovered by NYT, how come, you usually respond to everything like AI bot