Russian Invasion of Ukraine[In Progress]

[xminer]

Russia did (past tense) well under Putin for some people and it should have been doing better, so guess who made a mistake? Hint: there has only been one leader in Ruzzia for decades, at least in democracies you can blame the other guy.

I cannot thank you enough for making the point for me: I have no doubt that Moscow Metro is faring fantastically, the problem is the rest of the "Ruzzian World":

Meanwhile Ruzzian toilet (outside Moscow, of course)



30,000,000 people in Russia are not connected to centralized sewage systems –despite

There are simple figures - average monthly wage in Russia vs that in Ukraine - which was always higher in Russia. If you watch POW's interviews - people state their salaries, I envy them a bit.
There were simple cases - Ukrainians going to work to Russia right from western Ukraine, where they are definitely not pro-Russian anyway.

As for toilets? If somebody has a "better shitter" in Ukraine - it's not because of Ukraine, it's because of he has personally invested into having a more comfortable life. Why don't russians do that? Probably they expect it to be done by the state and not by themselves. Does this show Ukraine in any way superior? No. It only shows Ukrainians that are used to the fact of anarchy and effective absence of state power.

I can pinpoint you places in Kyiv (not the "outskirts") where there are no connections to sewers at all. So-called "private sector" (built during USSR mostly; perhaps some were rebuilt nowdays) - tens of meters from multi-floor buildings built during USSR and Ukraine rule has no sewer connection. The house I own in one of oblasts - has "central" water (built by local community) and natural gas (same case) and everyone has a "shit collector" of their own - with ordering of shit-transporter "barrel" periodically and stuff .

[o48o]

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As for toilets? If somebody has a "better shitter" in Ukraine - it's not because of Ukraine, it's because of he has personally invested into having a more comfortable life. Why don't russians do that? Probably they expect it to be done by the state and not by themselves. Does this show Ukraine in any way superior? No. It only shows Ukrainians that are used to the fact of anarchy and effective absence of state power.
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What the hell i just read? Because i must have misunderstood that....

Are you saying that because of anarchy in Ukraine and absence of state, Ukrainians have toilets that have sewers? I suppose you think it's the anarchy that built their sewer infrastructure, and other infrastructure for the country? And why would you even need to try to assure that toilets from all the things aren't a good meter to measure "superiority"?

i suppose that we need more of that good old total chaos and anarchy that somehow also builds infrastructure.

Also, don't do drugs. (I feel that i need to say that).

[paxmao]

Russia did (past tense) well under Putin for some people and it should have been doing better, so guess who made a mistake? Hint: there has only been one leader in Ruzzia for decades, at least in democracies you can blame the other guy.

I cannot thank you enough for making the point for me: I have no doubt that Moscow Metro is faring fantastically, the problem is the rest of the "Ruzzian World":

Meanwhile Ruzzian toilet (outside Moscow, of course)



30,000,000 people in Russia are not connected to centralized sewage systems –despite

There are simple figures - average monthly wage in Russia vs that in Ukraine - which was always higher in Russia. If you watch POW's interviews - people state their salaries, I envy them a bit.
There were simple cases - Ukrainians going to work to Russia right from western Ukraine, where they are definitely not pro-Russian anyway.

As for toilets? If somebody has a "better shitter" in Ukraine - it's not because of Ukraine, it's because of he has personally invested into having a more comfortable life. Why don't russians do that? Probably they expect it to be done by the state and not by themselves. Does this show Ukraine in any way superior? No. It only shows Ukrainians that are used to the fact of anarchy and effective absence of state power.

I can pinpoint you places in Kyiv (not the "outskirts") where there are no connections to sewers at all. So-called "private sector" (built during USSR mostly; perhaps some were rebuilt nowdays) - tens of meters from multi-floor buildings built during USSR and Ukraine rule has no sewer connection. The house I own in one of oblasts - has "central" water (built by local community) and natural gas (same case) and everyone has a "shit collector" of their own - with ordering of shit-transporter "barrel" periodically and stuff .

 I can fully agree with you that Ukraine needs better toilets - an many, many better other things. What would you choose to get there? (a) be under the Muscovian regime - which is not ever going to invest in Ukraine, but rather convert it in another territory to get mercenaries at a cheap or (b) Try  to be more like Poland - which joined the EU and got this:



I guess now you may understand what Ukraine is fighting for (hint: is not for toilets).

Moving on to news, the latest is about economic sanctions. These have now been increased in several ways:
- A shit-metric-ton of pressure on banks. Queues of people have been noted trying to get usd -  I do give relative value to this information, but the volatility of the Ruble vs usd is 10% in a day during the last week. This means uncertainty - some believe that sanctions are going to have a deep economic effect.

- The last G7 summit in Italy is a discussion on whether the interests of the Ruzzian frozen assets are going to fund Ukraine's war effort and pay the Ruzzian debt or if it is actually the Ruzzian frozen assets that will be partially confiscated. A figure of 50 Billion has been mentioned. To put it in perspective, this is one year of US aid on top of the existing aid.

These seems a bit more serious than what has been done to date, so I would say that the frog is getting further heated. I really hope that Putin has a very good measure of what is the breaking point - a rogue Ruzzia is not the best scenario for the world.

Edited to add: It seems Ruzzian banks are not offering exchange services in US and Euro and have stopped withdrawals. Moscow exchange down 15% in a day??

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There are rumors about huge numbers of decoys/false targets that Russia deployed, but both
sides keep shut about it, Russia because they want to continue Ukraine to waste precious weapons,
and Ukraine out of embarrassment and of course for PR effect

[...]

I see, this is the new theory then:

a) The western weapons do not exist.
b) The western weapons exist, but they are destroyed before reaching their positions.
c) The western weapons reach the positions, but "do not make a difference".
c) The wester weapons reach their positions, make a difference, but "do not work".
And the latest: (d) The western weapons work, but Ruzzia is so smart that they "only hit decoys". These decoys are so wonderful that they have radar emissions, leave tracks and have secondary explosions just as if they were real.

As an alternative hypothesis, the Ruzzia air defence is getting blasted systematically, possibly because Ukraine does not want to loose too many f16s.

[letterman1]

If only there was an end to this madness, we need peace.

[paxmao]

Edited to add: Moscow stock unreachable, check for yourself

https://www.moex.com/en

Not to mention the website that hold the account depository guarantees... this is looking like banks collapsing in Ruzzia so a "corralito" is on.


An agreement between the US and Ukraine was signed at G7, including the supply of squadrons of F16, supplies and further Patriot bateries. One squadron is 15 planes minimum, so this is as minimum 30 f16 plus supplies / ordinance.

On the economic front...

https://www.ft.com/content/50d6bcd1-f1f6-41a1-bb26-a5482654883f

Russia halts foreign exchange trading as US sanctions sow confusion. Washington’s latest curbs force transactions in dollars or euros off central exchange


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   Russia’s main exchange has halted trading in dollars and euros after a sharp escalation in US sanctions targeted the remaining links between the Russian financial system and foreign banks.

Russia’s central bank said exchange rates for the rouble will now reflect interbank transactions, after US sanctions announced on Wednesday on the Moscow Exchange (Moex), Russia’s oldest marketplace, forced trades off the central market.

The changes mean that pricing of the rouble will become more opaque, affecting its convertibility and raising costs for importers and exporters after sweeping sanctions that the US Treasury described as targeting Russia’s “war economy”.

For banks in countries from China to Turkey that are still transacting with Russia, the measures raise the risk that so-called secondary sanctions will cut them off from the US financial system, such as losing access to US dollars.

“Imagine a medieval town where the central market shuts down. There will still be farmers looking to sell food and villagers looking to buy, they just have to meet in some corners all over town,” said Janis Kluge, a senior associate at the German Institute for International and Security Affairs. “This is what is to happen in Russia.”

In other words, if you are Ruzzian, you would be buying usd in the black market. If you do deals not just with Ruzzia, but with someone subject to sanctions, you are under sanctions too.

Morozov.... Su34 I believe... https://x.com/i/status/1801629416545521924

with an extra of substation...https://x.com/i/status/1801640741178908977

[BADecker]

^^^ Don't have to buy USD on the black market. BRICS joined BIS (Bank for International Settlements). Now even Ukrainians can trade in Rubles - Ukraine banks to BIS to BRICS. The Ukraine/US/Nato government control in Ukraine is falling apart.

[paxmao]

^^^ Don't have to buy USD on the black market. BRICS joined BIS (Bank for International Settlements). Now even Ukrainians can trade in Rubles - Ukraine banks to BIS to BRICS. The Ukraine/US/Nato government control in Ukraine is falling apart.

That's dumBAss parallel universe news, but meanwhile on planet earth...

https://www.newsweek.com/moscow-stock-exchange-trade-halted-ruble-collapse-sanctions-1912161

Russians lined up to purchase U.S. dollars after the Moscow Exchange enforced an immediate suspension of trading in dollars and euros in response to fresh U.S. sanctions, a video circulating on social media appears to show.

Russia's central bank said Wednesday that exchange trading and settlements of deliverable instruments in U.S. dollars and euros were suspended effective June 13 "due to the introduction of restrictive measures by the United States against the Moscow Exchange Group." It added that over-the-counter trading data would be used to set official exchange rates for the currencies.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/markets/rouble-plummets-bankruptcy-of-russian-economy/ar-BB1oaLoP?item=themed_featuredapps_enableD?loadIn=defaultBrowser

New US sanctions against Russia led to the immediate suspension of dollar and euro trading on the country's main financial market, the Moscow Stock Exchange. 

The Russian stock exchange and the Russian central bank issued swift statements, barely an hour after Washington announced new sanctions. Those sanctions aim to cut off the flow of money and goods meant to support Russia's war in Ukraine.

So keep pushing the agenda. You already had to take a high-G manoeuvre when Trump stated that Ukraine is actually important for the US. You next 360 high-G is going to be when Trump decides that trying to weaken the US dollar is not only impossible, but vey likely to get him out of office (if he ever gets to office in the first place, which is nothing granted)

[Betwrong]

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Thanks for your loose and disconnected comment. It helps everyone understand that you have nothing to add to this conversation but somehow your brain feels compelled to say something like this. ~

I don't understand your hostility. I'm on your side, mate. Being a gambler I said, from my own experience, that Putin's strategy of martingale is a desperate strategy and he will lose everything soon. What's wrong with that? (If you think that I posted that to spam for my sig campaign, you can check the rules for my campaign and see that posts in "Politics & Society" are not counted).

I think people who are standing against Putin's aggression should be more supportive to each other.

[paxmao]

~

Thanks for your loose and disconnected comment. It helps everyone understand that you have nothing to add to this conversation but somehow your brain feels compelled to say something like this. ~

I don't understand your hostility. I'm on your side, mate. Being a gambler I said, from my own experience, that Putin's strategy of martingale is a desperate strategy and he will lose everything soon. What's wrong with that? (If you think that I posted that to spam for my sig campaign, you can check the rules for my campaign and see that posts in "Politics & Society" are not counted).

I think people who are standing against Putin's aggression should be more supportive to each other.

Sorry, I misread you. You did not post spam. My apologies, my comment was not adequate. I think was actually trying to answer to some other user  , there are sometime comments that come from people not read the thread (I mean, it is impossible, but at least some comments).

You are right, a martingale from Putin ends with zero. doubling the bet requires to have a bigger wallet than your opponents and that is not the case. Ukraine and allies simply have a bigger wallet. Some people would argue that Putin has a large nuclear arsenal, but I frankly think that if you have 200 nukes you do not need any more, the world is so destroyed by then that there is no "winner".

[paxmao]

There are rumours of a contingent of Ruzzian soldiers, anything between 60 and 400, that seem to be trapped in the Kharkiv direction. This is the legacy of a plan that was such a poor idea by Putin that nobody could believe that they were actually trying it for real. Yet there it is, an stalled offensive, lots of killed and quite a bit of material destroyed all around Belgorod and now permission from US to strike inside Ruzzia as a bonus.

Some advice for Trump:

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/mAbEsNufg4w?feature=share

[Zelebelman]

There are rumours of a contingent of Ruzzian soldiers, anything between 60 and 400, that seem to be trapped in the Kharkiv direction. This is the legacy of a plan that was such a poor idea by Putin that nobody could believe that they were actually trying it for real. Yet there it is, an stalled offensive, lots of killed and quite a bit of material destroyed all around Belgorod and now permission from US to strike inside Ruzzia as a bonus.

Some advice for Trump:

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/mAbEsNufg4w?feature=share

Yes, they are under blockade, now the Ukrainian Armed Forces are deciding how to destroy them

[paxmao]

There are rumours of a contingent of Ruzzian soldiers, anything between 60 and 400, that seem to be trapped in the Kharkiv direction. This is the legacy of a plan that was such a poor idea by Putin that nobody could believe that they were actually trying it for real. Yet there it is, an stalled offensive, lots of killed and quite a bit of material destroyed all around Belgorod and now permission from US to strike inside Ruzzia as a bonus.

Some advice for Trump:

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/mAbEsNufg4w?feature=share

Yes, they are under blockade, now the Ukrainian Armed Forces are deciding how to destroy them

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/7xSXg4ea0Tc?feature=share

The Ukrainian drones are working hard every day - this is costing a fortune, even a large country like Ruzzia can feel the effects of having the fuel blown up over and over in any facility that sits 1500 km from Ukraine. It is time to think if the "peace plan" of getting all Putin wants (even the bits he has not yet occupied) and giving nothing should be revisited. Who I am kidding... it will not.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GHzeTeVxRU8

Edit: It is official, the Rostov re-fueling terminal is burning. No more re-fueling for ships in the area until repaired.

[Vallkeinec]

There are rumours of a contingent of Ruzzian soldiers, anything between 60 and 400, that seem to be trapped in the Kharkiv direction. This is the legacy of a plan that was such a poor idea by Putin that nobody could believe that they were actually trying it for real. Yet there it is, an stalled offensive, lots of killed and quite a bit of material destroyed all around Belgorod and now permission from US to strike inside Ruzzia as a bonus.

Some advice for Trump:

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/mAbEsNufg4w?feature=share

Yes, they are under blockade, now the Ukrainian Armed Forces are deciding how to destroy them

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/7xSXg4ea0Tc?feature=share

The Ukrainian drones are working hard every day - this is costing a fortune, even a large country like Ruzzia can feel the effects of having the fuel blown up over and over in any facility that sits 1500 km from Ukraine. It is time to think if the "peace plan" of getting all Putin wants (even the bits he has not yet occupied) and giving nothing should be revisited. Who I am kidding... it will not.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GHzeTeVxRU8

Edit: It is official, the Rostov re-fueling terminal is burning. No more re-fueling for ships in the area until repaired.

Good news!
I hope they will be even better.

[paxmao]

Kim-Yong is not used to receive visits, to the point that he and Putin go about telling the other into the car first 3 times and when the Ruzzian ministers are told to sit on the negotiating table, they are sent away a minute after   what a show! But as said, when you have no guests for several decades, you kind of forget about protocol.

Get in... now get out... this is the North Korean way

Not to mention the German made car, looking more like a Hem-party limo, where Putin, Kimmy and the thankfully thin interpreter are taking a walk in a street full of Putin's faces, but also empty of People.

But anyway, the deal is clear. Kimmy sell big shell stuff... Putin will give Kimmy the jewels Ruzzi nuclear and missile programme. You do not need an interpreter... nor a meeting to be honest.

[paxmao]

We are waking up today to 3 drone strikes in three oil storage facilities, all of them deep inside Ruzzia. Ukraine works again on the strategy of making sure the war is more costly to Ruzzia than any possible benefit they may get from it. In a way, this is another card that may be present at a negotiating table... I mean, some day, in the veery distant future.

This makes sure Putin understand that there is a lot to keep loosing for very tiny ground gains and Ukraine can and will strike millions worth of infrastructure every day.

Yeysk
https://t.me/kyrylo_nedria/4190

Krasnodar
https://t.me/mapukrdailyupdate/181

Tambov

[Betwrong]

~

Thanks for your loose and disconnected comment. It helps everyone understand that you have nothing to add to this conversation but somehow your brain feels compelled to say something like this. ~

I don't understand your hostility. I'm on your side, mate. Being a gambler I said, from my own experience, that Putin's strategy of martingale is a desperate strategy and he will lose everything soon. What's wrong with that? (If you think that I posted that to spam for my sig campaign, you can check the rules for my campaign and see that posts in "Politics & Society" are not counted).

I think people who are standing against Putin's aggression should be more supportive to each other.

Sorry, I misread you. You did not post spam. My apologies, my comment was not adequate. I think was actually trying to answer to some other user  , there are sometime comments that come from people not read the thread (I mean, it is impossible, but at least some comments).

You are right, a martingale from Putin ends with zero. doubling the bet requires to have a bigger wallet than your opponents and that is not the case. Ukraine and allies simply have a bigger wallet. Some people would argue that Putin has a large nuclear arsenal, but I frankly think that if you have 200 nukes you do not need any more, the world is so destroyed by then that there is no "winner".

Yeah, mate. I kinda knew you were aware of that people like us who want to stand against barbarism and darkness should stick together. I'm glad I wasn't mistaken.

[paxmao]

Latest news confirm the continued support from several European countries. It is not as bright and shiny as the US signing 60 billion on  single bill, but little by little several additional air defence systems are being transferred, to a total of 7 patriot batteries now active. My guess is that there are several reasons why the f16 are not yet in Ukraine, but one important is being able to protect these.

Meanwhile Trump again buys the full Kremlin narrative about Ukraine being "part of Ruzzia" or not "independent", etc... I wonder what kind of "negotiator" would start by fully echoing the arguments of the guy in front? This guy should not be running even a local Starbucks.

Next week the EU is passing 2 Billion from the revenue produced by Ruzzian assets, currently frozen, to Ukraine. I guess this is true brotherhood and solidarity from Ruzzia, paying Ukraine to defend itself from the enemy... that is Ruzzia.

[Pidgeon]

No sign of the victorious Russian trolls, have they gone partying in the Suwałki Gap now that we're closing day 1000 of the 3 days operation?

Russia is on path of losing more tanks in Ukraine than the US in ww2 but I assume everything is fine, now they have NK as an ally, and SK as an enemy, another master gambler loser move.

[paxmao]

They have probably decided to enlist and go to the front   - or they are trying cancel culture stuff, it does not matter - it never did.

News today talk about an uprising in dagestan, Southern Ruzzia. Some unconfirmed rumours point to an armed insurrection of shorts? Or maybe just a mass shooting? https://kyivindependent.com/media-counter-terrorism-operation-regime-institute-in-russias-dagestan-amid-deadly-attacks/. Empires always fall from the edges to the interior, but I am getting carried away.

For now, fronts quite stable, and that is at the cost of a huge material burn-out by Ruzzia, so it is not stable because "nobody is doing anything".

[be.open]

For now, fronts quite stable, and that is at the cost of a huge material burn-out by Ruzzia, so it is not stable because "nobody is doing anything".

Lol, you say this right against the backdrop of a breakthrough of the static front line in the direction of Toretsk since 2014. Russia again caught the Ukrainian Armed Forces rotating brigades, just as during the breakthrough in Ocheretino. Moreover, the commander of the OGV, General Sodol, was drinking vodka at a restaurant in Odessa at that time.

If this scandal flares up, and everything is heading that way, Ukraine will again have to change the entire General Staff, although I’m not sure that Zelensky has such a long bench.