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June 06, 2024, 06:48:32 PM
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Since the Russian stock of weapons is essentially limitless, let Ukraine destroy itself while burning through a few Russian weapons.

I'm for freedom. I wouldn't want to stop the Ukrainian war, because they are doing it freely. If you can't stop suicide, the only thing left to do is to agree with it.

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So... are you betting on China providing 2 million soldiers? You just said is going to happen... are not sure?

Would you like a bet on Texas becoming independent in the next year? You also said that could happen.

Since you would continue to support death for thousands by supporting more funds to Ukraine, if I were right in my predictions, you wouldn't agree, anyway. I mean, when you support murdering thousands or millions, my little predictions won't mean anything to you until it starts to hurt you personally. So, what does this have to do with anything?

Revelation 9:16:
The number of the mounted troops was twice ten thousand times ten thousand. I heard their number.

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So... are you taking the bet or not Chinese Texan? Comme'on, how sure you are China will send 2 million soldiers to fight for Ruzzia? Would you like to take back your words?

Meanwhile, drone boats have sunk a tug boat. while this may appear unimportant, it is part of the strategy to stop transportation from Ruzzia to Crimea. Also, there are news about another refinery "out of service" in Rostov on don.

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Putin says it may take a year to get rid of Zelensky. But it will happen a lot faster if the 2-million man army from China attacks the ME. Then the US will forget all about Ukraine, and Russia will walk all over her.

Putin will probably let Zelensky live. He might even give him his old comedian act back. This just to show mixed up Ukrainians that Russia is their proper help as Russia rebuilds Ukraine.


Putin: We Could Supply Long-Range Missiles To Enemies Of West In Retaliation



https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/ny-times-confirms-first-ukraine-strike-russia-us-long-range-missiles?utm_source=daily_newsletter&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=2775
Update(1932ET): Russian President Putin addressed the annual economic forum in St. Petersburg on Wednesday, where he took the opportunity to put the US and NATO on notice concerning Kiev being given the greenlight to use Western weapons to attack Russian territory (detailed below).

He suggested that he's mulling the option of providing adversaries of the West with Russian long-range missiles. Below is what he said:

    "That would mark their direct involvement in the war against the Russian Federation, and we reserve the right to act the same way," Mr Putin told a three-hour meeting with the senior editors of international news agencies.

    Because using such Western weapons involves military personnel of those countries controlling the missiles and selecting targets, Mr Putin claimed Moscow could take "asymmetrical" steps elsewhere in the world.

    "If they consider it possible to deliver such weapons to the combat zone to launch strikes on our territory and create problems for us, why don't we have the right to supply weapons of the same type to some regions of the world where they can be used to launch strikes on sensitive facilities of the countries that do it to Russia?" he said.
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Putin says it may take a year to get rid of Zelensky. But it will happen a lot faster if the 2-million man army from China attacks the ME. Then the US will forget all about Ukraine, and Russia will walk all over her.

Putin will probably let Zelensky live. He might even give him his old comedian act back. This just to show mixed up Ukrainians that Russia is their proper help as Russia rebuilds Ukraine.


Putin: We Could Supply Long-Range Missiles To Enemies Of West In Retaliation

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He suggested that he's mulling the option of providing adversaries of the West with Russian long-range missiles. Below is what he said:

"That would mark their direct involvement in the war against the Russian Federation, and we reserve the right to act the same way," Mr Putin told a three-hour meeting with the senior editors of international news agencies.
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Well, the problem is that this ship has sailed. Ruzzia has sold the missile technology all over the place.. China, Iran, North Korea... Even the Houtis have ballistic missiles. I guess we are confusing here cause and effect.

However right now Ruzzia is not only not giving away any missile, long or short range, is actually importing as much as they can from their dictator's golf club - namely from Iran an North Korea. Missiles, drones, shells... Ruzzia has none to spare, and in fact many countries that had placed orders for Ruzzian systems and planes have been notified that they will have to wait for them... for years to come.

https://foreignpolicy.com/2023/05/03/russia-arms-sales-weapons-exports-worldwide-ukraine-war/

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Russia’s Boom Business Goes Bust
Moscow’s arms exports have fallen to levels not seen since the Soviet Union’s collapse.

https://www.reuters.com/world/india/india-pivots-away-russian-arms-will-retain-strong-ties-2024-01-28/

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India pivots away from Russian arms, but will retain strong ties

India is seeking to distance itself from its largest arms supplier after Russia's ability to supply munitions and spares was hobbled by the war in Ukraine, but must step carefully to avoid pushing Moscow closer to China, Indian sources said.
The world's biggest arms importer is slowly turning West as the United States looks to strengthen ties in the Indo-Pacific region, hoping to contain an ascendant China by weaning the South Asian nation off a traditional dependence on Russia.



Oh, you are not taking the bet then? Maybe? do you still think that China is going to send two million soldiers to Ruzzia? Maybe you'd like to take that back? Maybe everything you say has the same credibility?

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June 07, 2024, 01:48:45 AM
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^^^^^How can you tell that this is propaganda and where it comes from? Just notice it says "The Ukrainian Crisis". There is no "Ukrainian Crisis", there is an "Invasion of Ukraine by Ruzzia".

The rest is as good as the tittle. But it is irrelevant for the discourse of the war.

https://www.newsweek.com/russia-casualties-tanks-apvs-vehicles-lost-artillery-systems-ukraine-1907814

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Russian forces lost nearly 1,300 fighters, more than 100 vehicles of various types and 65 artillery systems in the past day, according to Ukraine, shortly after Kyiv reported the highest number of monthly Russian casualties and artillery losses in the war-torn country.

And this is not a one-off, it is has been like this since Ruzzia started the invasion of Karkhiv Oblast. Or like you would be like it to call it "the Crisis in Karkhiv" or the "special military operation".

This is what means "to be in range" and there is going to be much more equipment "in range".

Initial source "published by Ukraine's military" https://x.com/DefenceU/status/1797857800309411907 so propaganda wrapped into newsweek.com wrapper to provide more legitimacy? But since we're citing direct side of the conflict on losses, to get a full-er picture would it not be beneficial to cite both sides?

Russian President Vladimir Putin on Wednesday gave a rare update on casualty and prisoner-of-war figures from Moscow's ongoing war in Ukraine, saying to international journalists that Kyiv's losses were several times that of Moscow's
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president told the heads of international news agencies at a meeting in St. Petersburg that there are 1,348 Russian soldiers and officers in captivity in Ukraine, versus 6,465 Ukrainians in Russian detention.
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Putin also said that the ratio of "irretrievable losses" between Russia and Ukraine was one to five in favor of Moscow.

Those numbers would be catastrophic even before we consider Russia's 3:1 advantage in population. History will not judge Zelenskyy kindly if real numbers are anything close to this, once revealed. Lowering age of mobilized Ukrainian conscripts only provides hints of the horrifying dynamics

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2 million Chinese troops in Russia.  Cheesy
Russia would sign it's own death warrant.

Easy inviting them in.
Getting them to leave afterwards.... well...
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Putin also said that the ratio of "irretrievable losses" between Russia and Ukraine was one to five in favor of Moscow.

Those numbers would be catastrophic even before we consider Russia's 3:1 advantage in population. History will not judge Zelenskyy kindly if real numbers are anything close to this, once revealed. Lowering age of mobilized Ukrainian conscripts only provides hints of the horrifying dynamics

They "would"... you know.... Can you picture any situation in which Putin would go and say that Ruzzian losses are actually 5 to 1 Ukrainian? It is just ridiculous that you even try to pass that information as credible or remotely accurate.

So back to the real world:

https://www.politico.eu/article/france-fighter-jets-military-aviation-ukraine-emmanuel-macron-kyiv-direct-support-russia-war/

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President Emmanuel Macron announced Thursday that France would send Mirage 2000 fighter jets to Ukraine, in what would appear to be a significant increase in his country's direct military support to Kyiv.

"Tomorrow we will launch a new cooperation and announce the transfer of Mirage 2000 [jets], which help Ukraine protect its skies," Macron said during an interview with broadcaster TF1 in the northern city of Caen, coinciding with the start of an official visit by Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy.

The French president also said Ukrainians would receive training in France for five to six months as early as this summer, with a target of training 4,500 service personnel.

If you think of this, it makes perfect sense. Once you got that many people trained in this plane, France will likely be a long term supplier. f16's are pretty much confirmed and there are thousands around the world. The right aircraft for Ukraine would be the Gripen, but unfortunately seems more difficult to obtain.

What Putin has achieved is fantastic - sorry, he would give a speech on this - Europe an the US are not just supporting Ukraine, they are actually racing to be preferred supplier.

It has been mentioned that ATACAMS have been approved to be used up to 200 miles (roughly 300 km) across the whole front. Get used to be "in range".

More refining capacity was put in the "pending repairs list" - repairs that will never come - by drones in Rostov on don. Pictures will be available later.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/article/2024/jun/06/ukraine-war-briefing-power-cuts-ordered-as-russian-attacks-create-catastrophic-shortages

Rostov in range:
https://youtu.be/UHJBA0Az_HY

Edited to add: It seems that also a few millions in ground-to-air munitions from the US. There is this old missile called "hawk" that is quite old and possibly quite a few of them about to expire like a yogurt, but depending on the model, they are perfect for Cruise missiles and perhaps to Saheds if needed. Quite portable and easy to relocate it is.

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June 07, 2024, 01:45:50 PM
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Putin also said that the ratio of "irretrievable losses" between Russia and Ukraine was one to five in favor of Moscow.

Those numbers would be catastrophic even before we consider Russia's 3:1 advantage in population. History will not judge Zelenskyy kindly if real numbers are anything close to this, once revealed. Lowering age of mobilized Ukrainian conscripts only provides hints of the horrifying dynamics

They "would"... you know.... Can you picture any situation in which Putin would go and say that Ruzzian losses are actually 5 to 1 Ukrainian? It is just ridiculous that you even try to pass that information as credible or remotely accurate.

So back to the real world:

https://www.politico.eu/article/france-fighter-jets-military-aviation-ukraine-emmanuel-macron-kyiv-direct-support-russia-war/

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President Emmanuel Macron announced Thursday that France would send Mirage 2000 fighter jets to Ukraine, in what would appear to be a significant increase in his country's direct military support to Kyiv.

"Tomorrow we will launch a new cooperation and announce the transfer of Mirage 2000 [jets], which help Ukraine protect its skies," Macron said during an interview with broadcaster TF1 in the northern city of Caen, coinciding with the start of an official visit by Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy.

The French president also said Ukrainians would receive training in France for five to six months as early as this summer, with a target of training 4,500 service personnel.

If you think of this, it makes perfect sense. Once you got that many people trained in this plane, France will likely be a long term supplier. f16's are pretty much confirmed and there are thousands around the world. The right aircraft for Ukraine would be the Gripen, but unfortunately seems more difficult to obtain.

What Putin has achieved is fantastic - sorry, he would give a speech on this - Europe an the US are not just supporting Ukraine, they are actually racing to be preferred supplier.

It has been mentioned that ATACAMS have been approved to be used up to 200 miles (roughly 300 km) across the whole front. Get used to be "in range".

More refining capacity was put in the "pending repairs list" - repairs that will never come - by drones in Rostov on don. Pictures will be available later.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/article/2024/jun/06/ukraine-war-briefing-power-cuts-ordered-as-russian-attacks-create-catastrophic-shortages

Rostov in range:
https://youtu.be/UHJBA0Az_HY

Edited to add: It seems that also a few millions in ground-to-air munitions from the US. There is this old missile called "hawk" that is quite old and possibly quite a few of them about to expire like a yogurt, but depending on the model, they are perfect for Cruise missiles and perhaps to Saheds if needed. Quite portable and easy to relocate it is.

Can you picture any situation in which Zelenskyy would go and say that Ukrainian losses are actually 3 to 1 Russian? It is just ridiculous that you even try to pass that information as credible or remotely accurate.  Roll Eyes

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Can you picture any situation in which Zelenskyy would go and say that Ukrainian losses are actually 3 to 1 Russian? It is just ridiculous that you even try to pass that information as credible or remotely accurate.  Roll Eyes

Zelensky nor I did not make the claim. You did on behalf of your handlers at the farm. It is just silly to post Putin speaking about losses ratio (he is probably being lied to anyway), but I did not. You did.

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[...]
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Putin also said that the ratio of "irretrievable losses" between Russia and Ukraine was one to five in favor of Moscow.

Those numbers would be catastrophic even before we consider Russia's 3:1 advantage in population. History will not judge Zelenskyy kindly if real numbers are anything close to this, once revealed. Lowering age of mobilized Ukrainian conscripts only provides hints of the horrifying dynamics

They "would"... you know.... Can you picture any situation in which Putin would go and say that Ruzzian losses are actually 5 to 1 Ukrainian? It is just ridiculous that you even try to pass that information as credible or remotely accurate.

So back to the real world:

https://www.politico.eu/article/france-fighter-jets-military-aviation-ukraine-emmanuel-macron-kyiv-direct-support-russia-war/

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President Emmanuel Macron announced Thursday that France would send Mirage 2000 fighter jets to Ukraine, in what would appear to be a significant increase in his country's direct military support to Kyiv.

"Tomorrow we will launch a new cooperation and announce the transfer of Mirage 2000 [jets], which help Ukraine protect its skies," Macron said during an interview with broadcaster TF1 in the northern city of Caen, coinciding with the start of an official visit by Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy.

The French president also said Ukrainians would receive training in France for five to six months as early as this summer, with a target of training 4,500 service personnel.

If you think of this, it makes perfect sense. Once you got that many people trained in this plane, France will likely be a long term supplier. f16's are pretty much confirmed and there are thousands around the world. The right aircraft for Ukraine would be the Gripen, but unfortunately seems more difficult to obtain.

What Putin has achieved is fantastic - sorry, he would give a speech on this - Europe an the US are not just supporting Ukraine, they are actually racing to be preferred supplier.

It has been mentioned that ATACAMS have been approved to be used up to 200 miles (roughly 300 km) across the whole front. Get used to be "in range".

More refining capacity was put in the "pending repairs list" - repairs that will never come - by drones in Rostov on don. Pictures will be available later.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/article/2024/jun/06/ukraine-war-briefing-power-cuts-ordered-as-russian-attacks-create-catastrophic-shortages

Rostov in range:
https://youtu.be/UHJBA0Az_HY

Edited to add: It seems that also a few millions in ground-to-air munitions from the US. There is this old missile called "hawk" that is quite old and possibly quite a few of them about to expire like a yogurt, but depending on the model, they are perfect for Cruise missiles and perhaps to Saheds if needed. Quite portable and easy to relocate it is.

Can you picture any situation in which Zelenskyy would go and say that Ukrainian losses are actually 3 to 1 Russian? It is just ridiculous that you even try to pass that information as credible or remotely accurate.  Roll Eyes

Zelensky nor I did not make the claim. You did on behalf of your handlers at the farm. It is just silly to post Putin speaking about losses ratio (he is probably being lied to anyway), but I did not. You did.

Are you now saying that Zelenskyy doesn't represent UA military or he's not in control of his defense forces? Or are you saying you can picture situation in which UA military (sans Zelenskyy) would go and say that Ukrainian losses are actually higher than Russian? You got to pick one here

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June 07, 2024, 02:57:14 PM
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[...]
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Putin also said that the ratio of "irretrievable losses" between Russia and Ukraine was one to five in favor of Moscow.

Those numbers would be catastrophic even before we consider Russia's 3:1 advantage in population. History will not judge Zelenskyy kindly if real numbers are anything close to this, once revealed. Lowering age of mobilized Ukrainian conscripts only provides hints of the horrifying dynamics

They "would"... you know.... Can you picture any situation in which Putin would go and say that Ruzzian losses are actually 5 to 1 Ukrainian? It is just ridiculous that you even try to pass that information as credible or remotely accurate.
[...]

Can you picture any situation in which Zelenskyy would go and say that Ukrainian losses are actually 3 to 1 Russian? It is just ridiculous that you even try to pass that information as credible or remotely accurate.  Roll Eyes

Zelensky nor I did not make the claim. You did on behalf of your handlers at the farm. It is just silly to post Putin speaking about losses ratio (he is probably being lied to anyway), but I did not. You did.

Are you now saying that Zelenskyy doesn't represent UA military or he's not in control of his defense forces? Or are you saying you can picture situation in which UA military (sans Zelenskyy) would go and say that Ukrainian losses are actually higher than Russian? You got to pick one here

No, I have said what is written (a) Putin made a claim about the losses ratio and you gave it credibility when is never going to be a real assessment and (b) You, as usual, wondered about claiming that "Zelensky would not give accurate information either" which may or may not be true, but I did not make any claim about it.

just read it, it is right there. But this follows the same pattern of giving credibility to "opinions" or biased data, so no surprise here.

Meanwhile, another ATACAMS hit happened in Luhansk, on a military base that now is "in range". Pictures coming later perhaps.

It has been said that the French Mirage will be the 2005 model, which is not very modern, but can cover perfectly the Mig 29 missions required to launch SCALPs or Stormshadows. That should ring a few alarm bells out there in the Ruzzia side of the front.

I have observed that the military aid from US includes TOW missiles used mostly by Bradleys. This is the main weapon they can use when confronting tanks, which leads me to thing that they are betting on this very abundant and agile vehicle perfectly suited for war in Ukraine instead of sending more Abrams, which are too limited and expensive to maintain.


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[...]
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Putin also said that the ratio of "irretrievable losses" between Russia and Ukraine was one to five in favor of Moscow.

Those numbers would be catastrophic even before we consider Russia's 3:1 advantage in population. History will not judge Zelenskyy kindly if real numbers are anything close to this, once revealed. Lowering age of mobilized Ukrainian conscripts only provides hints of the horrifying dynamics

They "would"... you know.... Can you picture any situation in which Putin would go and say that Ruzzian losses are actually 5 to 1 Ukrainian? It is just ridiculous that you even try to pass that information as credible or remotely accurate.
[...]

Can you picture any situation in which Zelenskyy would go and say that Ukrainian losses are actually 3 to 1 Russian? It is just ridiculous that you even try to pass that information as credible or remotely accurate.  Roll Eyes

Zelensky nor I did not make the claim. You did on behalf of your handlers at the farm. It is just silly to post Putin speaking about losses ratio (he is probably being lied to anyway), but I did not. You did.

Are you now saying that Zelenskyy doesn't represent UA military or he's not in control of his defense forces? Or are you saying you can picture situation in which UA military (sans Zelenskyy) would go and say that Ukrainian losses are actually higher than Russian? You got to pick one here

No, I have said what is written (a) Putin made a claim about the losses ratio and you gave it credibility when is never going to be a real assessment and (b) You, as usual, wondered about claiming that "Zelensky would not give accurate information either" which may or may not be true, but I did not make any claim about it.

just read it, it is right there. But this follows the same pattern of giving credibility to "opinions" or biased data, so no surprise here.

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You literally posted about Ukraine's military making claims on Russian losses and gave it credibility when it's never going to be a real assessment. I provided claims by Russian commander on Ukrainian losses. You doubted it saying It is just ridiculous that you even try to pass that information as credible or remotely accurate. and attempted to justify that logic by asking Can you picture any situation in which Putin would go and say that Ruzzian losses are actually 5 to 1 Ukrainian? i countered that and pointed out your double standards just by mirroring your question and asked if you could picture any situation in which UA forces (Zelenskyy) would go and say that Ukrainian losses are actually higher than Russian.

What exactly you cannot follow in that?

You realize how ridiculous you sound by constantly posting outlandish claims, but when presented with claims from the other side you just start yelling that it's opinion but not facts? It's especially hilarious when you talk about "opinions" only in the same day to post stuff like "It has been mentioned that ATACAMS have been approved to be used up to 200 miles (roughly 300 km) across the whole front.".



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[...]
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Putin also said that the ratio of "irretrievable losses" between Russia and Ukraine was one to five in favor of Moscow.

Those numbers would be catastrophic even before we consider Russia's 3:1 advantage in population. History will not judge Zelenskyy kindly if real numbers are anything close to this, once revealed. Lowering age of mobilized Ukrainian conscripts only provides hints of the horrifying dynamics

They "would"... you know.... Can you picture any situation in which Putin would go and say that Ruzzian losses are actually 5 to 1 Ukrainian? It is just ridiculous that you even try to pass that information as credible or remotely accurate.
[...]

Can you picture any situation in which Zelenskyy would go and say that Ukrainian losses are actually 3 to 1 Russian? It is just ridiculous that you even try to pass that information as credible or remotely accurate.  Roll Eyes

Zelensky nor I did not make the claim. You did on behalf of your handlers at the farm. It is just silly to post Putin speaking about losses ratio (he is probably being lied to anyway), but I did not. You did.

Are you now saying that Zelenskyy doesn't represent UA military or he's not in control of his defense forces? Or are you saying you can picture situation in which UA military (sans Zelenskyy) would go and say that Ukrainian losses are actually higher than Russian? You got to pick one here

No, I have said what is written (a) Putin made a claim about the losses ratio and you gave it credibility when is never going to be a real assessment and (b) You, as usual, wondered about claiming that "Zelensky would not give accurate information either" which may or may not be true, but I did not make any claim about it.

just read it, it is right there. But this follows the same pattern of giving credibility to "opinions" or biased data, so no surprise here.

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You literally posted about Ukraine's military making claims on Russian losses and gave it credibility [...]

You have published Putin's stated ratio. So to go to the point: do you give credibility to that or are you trying to squeeze your way out of publishing something you do not believe for its possible propaganda value? Before answering this, make sure you clearly understand the figure Putin gave.

If you ask me "do I give credibility to the figures I post", I will send you here:

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Today the official killed / missing in action figure for the Ruzzian army has reached half a million. Figures in war tend to be only estimates, but it is still a dam big estimate.

So I do give some degree of credibility to figures:
https://www.minusrus.com/en 
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Personnel
~516.080 +1080

https://www.oryxspioenkop.com/2022/02/attack-on-europe-documenting-equipment.html

Vehicles:

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(Click on the numbers to get a picture of each individual captured or destroyed vehicle)
Russia - 16199, of which: destroyed: 11633, damaged: 733, abandoned: 924, captured: 2909

https://www.france24.com/en/europe/20240503-france-estimates-that-150-000-russian-soldiers-have-been-killed-in-the-ukraine-war

But you can also go to any more official source, they all assume between 465000 / 510000 loses.



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You have published Putin's stated ratio. So to go to the point: do you give credibility to that or are you trying to squeeze your way out of publishing something you do not believe for its possible propaganda value? Before answering this, make sure you clearly understand the figure Putin gave.

If you ask me "do I give credibility to the figures I post", I will send you here:

[...]

Today the official killed / missing in action figure for the Ruzzian army has reached half a million. Figures in war tend to be only estimates, but it is still a dam big estimate.

So I do give some degree of credibility to figures:
https://www.minusrus.com/en  
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Personnel
~516.080 +1080

https://www.oryxspioenkop.com/2022/02/attack-on-europe-documenting-equipment.html

Vehicles:

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(Click on the numbers to get a picture of each individual captured or destroyed vehicle)
Russia - 16199, of which: destroyed: 11633, damaged: 733, abandoned: 924, captured: 2909

https://www.france24.com/en/europe/20240503-france-estimates-that-150-000-russian-soldiers-have-been-killed-in-the-ukraine-war

But you can also go to any more official source, they all assume between 465000 / 510000 loses.

Claims that Ukraine is loosing up to 50k soldiers/month were published in response to your claims, for a full picture. I give as much credibility on Russian losses coming from the Ukrainian side, as I do for Ukrainian losses coming from the Russian side. It's hard to imagine any more biased sources than direct participants in the conflict. In fact it's kind of their job to lie to their population in order to keep morale from collapsing. But logically speaking citing such information from the involved party is just pure propaganda. But I think it's safe to say that the side that has almost daily air alerts all over the country, countrywide power blackouts, loosing land daily, mobilizing younger population, support of who's leader is dropping, and who's leadership's existence is totally dependent on the direct support from the outside, has few more reasons to exaggerate. In other words, who do you think is more dependent on public opinion, guy who's daily job is to fight for every pair of eyeballs, trying to gather as much publicity as humanly possible in order to bring as much attention/support to Ukraine as possible, or well...Putin?

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June 07, 2024, 06:42:19 PM
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Where is the video?

Everyone ion the world has a phone with a 4K camera, yet not a single video of this war.

Strange...

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June 07, 2024, 07:24:43 PM
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Where is the video?

Everyone ion the world has a phone with a 4K camera, yet not a single video of this war.

Strange...

Try https://duckduckgo.com/?q=videos+of+the+ukraine+war&ia=web. Here is a good one - https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/interactive/2022/ukraine-russia-war-videos-verified/.

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June 07, 2024, 11:10:23 PM
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I'd expect to see war footage all over X, tik tok, etc...  not just the lame stream media who has lost all credibility.

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You have published Putin's stated ratio. So to go to the point: do you give credibility to that or are you trying to squeeze your way out of publishing something you do not believe for its possible propaganda value? Before answering this, make sure you clearly understand the figure Putin gave.

If you ask me "do I give credibility to the figures I post", I will send you here:

[...]

Today the official killed / missing in action figure for the Ruzzian army has reached half a million. Figures in war tend to be only estimates, but it is still a dam big estimate.

So I do give some degree of credibility to figures:
https://www.minusrus.com/en  
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Personnel
~516.080 +1080

https://www.oryxspioenkop.com/2022/02/attack-on-europe-documenting-equipment.html

Vehicles:

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Russia - 16199, of which: destroyed: 11633, damaged: 733, abandoned: 924, captured: 2909

https://www.france24.com/en/europe/20240503-france-estimates-that-150-000-russian-soldiers-have-been-killed-in-the-ukraine-war

But you can also go to any more official source, they all assume between 465000 / 510000 loses.

Claims that Ukraine is loosing up to 50k soldiers/month were published in response to your claims, for a full picture. I give as much credibility on Russian losses coming from the Ukrainian side, as I do for Ukrainian losses coming from the Russian side. It's hard to imagine any more biased sources than direct participants in the conflict. In fact it's kind of their job to lie to their population in order to keep morale from collapsing. But logically speaking citing such information from the involved party is just pure propaganda. But I think it's safe to say that the side that has almost daily air alerts all over the country, countrywide power blackouts, loosing land daily, mobilizing younger population, support of who's leader is dropping, and who's leadership's existence is totally dependent on the direct support from the outside, has few more reasons to exaggerate. In other words, who do you think is more dependent on public opinion, guy who's daily job is to fight for every pair of eyeballs, trying to gather as much publicity as humanly possible in order to bring as much attention/support to Ukraine as possible, or well...Putin?

Sorry but you are not giving an answer, You have published Putin's stated ratio. So to go to the point: do you give credibility to that or are you trying to squeeze your way out of publishing something you do not believe for its possible propaganda value?

I am insisting on this because either you have not thought this figure over or you assume nobody here can do some basic math or you are plain lying. Which one is it?

I'd expect to see war footage all over X, tik tok, etc...  not just the lame stream media who has lost all credibility.

Which video would you like to see? I mean, have you tried Google or duckduck? They tend to be available one or two days after the hits are reported. Many times they can be geolocated easily.

Are you questioning the ATACAMS or drone strikes? I mean... there is satellite imagery commercially available all over for most of it. I am just trying figure out if you are trying to spread fud or have some honest interest in war porn.

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I would expect to see thousands of posts on social media from the soldiers and impacted civilians on both sides of the conflict - instead, nothing but crickets.

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June 08, 2024, 12:20:01 AM
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I would expect to see thousands of posts on social media from the soldiers and impacted civilians on both sides of the conflict - instead, nothing but crickets.

Oh, so warporn... it is all over the place. It is unlikely that "impacted soldiers" will selfi themselves after the fact. The video barely qualifies, but it is the recently hit refinery near Rostov, but there is so much stuff published out there and it is so simple to find that ... well, just go google a bit and you will see all your voyeuristic wet dreams fulfilled by the magic of people posting carnage all over. You can find all short of snuff there.

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