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August 24, 2015, 01:33:33 PM
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Clinton's 'breach of common sense'

Former U.S. Attorney General Michael Mukasey talks about the Clinton email controversy and says, "you don't put it all on a private server."


http://www.msnbc.com/morning-joe/watch/clintons-breach-of-common-sense-511857219654


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August 24, 2015, 01:40:44 PM
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Clinton's 'breach of common sense'

Former U.S. Attorney General Michael Mukasey talks about the Clinton email controversy and says, "you don't put it all on a private server."


http://www.msnbc.com/morning-joe/watch/clintons-breach-of-common-sense-511857219654






Michael Mukasey, who was the Unites States Attorney General from 2007 to 2009, showed up on Morning Joe today to discuss the Hillary Clinton private server debacle and how it was going to play out. This wasn’t his first cable news hit on the subject and he’d been making the rounds, pointing out that this investigation “is not a witch hunt,” as he said on interviews over the weekend. Most of the information being discussed was nothing new. The panel talked about how Hillary’s decisions to not only have a private server, but to fail to properly classify the contents was a violation of department policy, if not the law. But then, in response to one question from Scarborough, Mukasey went a step further and said that Clinton may have disqualified herself from elected office if the allegations prove to be true.

Now, that’s a phrase we’ve heard before, but generally in a philosophical sense. “If you do this or that bad thing, you’ve essentially disqualified yourself as being the leader of the free world.” But when the former AG was pressed on the question, he informed the panel that he was speaking specifically of federal statute.

Joking that it was a common subject around his family’s breakfast table, he said, “Title 18. Section 2071.”

Let’s take a look at what he’s talking about. The statute starts out like this in paragraph (a):

Whoever willfully and unlawfully conceals, removes, mutilates, obliterates, or destroys, or attempts to do so, or, with intent to do so takes and carries away any record, proceeding, map, book, paper, document, or other thing, filed or deposited with any clerk or officer of any court of the United States, or in any public office, or with any judicial or public officer of the United States, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than three years, or both.

That’s along the same lines as things we’ve been discussing all along. But the big news is in paragraph (b). (Emphasis added)

Whoever, having the custody of any such record, proceeding, map, book, document, paper, or other thing, willfully and unlawfully conceals, removes, mutilates, obliterates, falsifies, or destroys the same, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than three years, or both; and shall forfeit his office and be disqualified from holding any office under the United States. As used in this subsection, the term “office” does not include the office held by any person as a retired officer of the Armed Forces of the United States.

Wouldn’t wiping classified records (assuming that’s proven by the FBI) from your private server, or directing others to do that to the server while it’s sitting in a bathroom in Colorado, qualify as removing, obliterating or destroying said records?

This may shed some new light on why Hillary Clinton has been so unwilling to answer some very basic questions when facing the press. She has finally been asked directly (by Ed Henry) if she either wiped the server or directed that it be wiped. She tried to write that one off with a joke, saying, “What? You mean with a cloth?” But her legal team has surely been looking this situation over very closely and are doubtless aware of Title 18, Section 2071, paragraph (b). If the answer to that question is actually “yes” and she admits it in public, she could well be literally ending her presidential bid, not to mention opening herself up to the possibility of a fine or jail time. (Or both.)

Is this what will finally bring Clinton down? Don’t bet the ranch on it. It would require the will on the part of those not only investigating, but prosecuting the case to see it through to the end. And there will be people in the State Department as well as the media fighting tooth and claw the entire way to keep claiming that this is all some grand machination of the Vast Right Wing Conspiracy to derail the hopes of an historic presidential candidate. But at some point the evidence has to build up to the point where the public can’t simply ignore it. So what’s next?

Joe Biden… call your office.


http://hotair.com/archives/2015/08/24/former-attorney-general-clinton-may-have-disqualified-herself-for-elected-office/


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August 24, 2015, 02:30:20 PM
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Whoever, having the custody of any such record, proceeding, map, book, document, paper, or other thing, willfully and unlawfully conceals, removes, mutilates, obliterates, falsifies, or destroys the same, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than three years, or both; and shall forfeit his office and be disqualified from holding any office under the United States. ....

Look, it's not like that if we just don't hear about and are told what to think.  It's a nice world with nice people all holding hands in a circle and you are a big meanie.

Trump, here we come...
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Whoever, having the custody of any such record, proceeding, map, book, document, paper, or other thing, willfully and unlawfully conceals, removes, mutilates, obliterates, falsifies, or destroys the same, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than three years, or both; and shall forfeit his office and be disqualified from holding any office under the United States. ....

Look, it's not like that if we just don't hear about and are told what to think.  It's a nice world with nice people all holding hands in a circle and you are a big meanie.

Trump, here we come...


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August 24, 2015, 06:46:44 PM
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I'd have to say that she's probably the most trustworthy candidate at the moment. She'd beat the pants off of Trump that's for sure. Even given the e-mailgate scandal.

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August 24, 2015, 08:27:08 PM
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Jeez trust in those runners is not good at all, can you not see (have you all been blinded)

Here in the UK we have a new revolutionary candidate for PM he will sort the corrupt out

Defence Diversification  JEREMY CORBYN

And he will not bow down to the whims of the USA

Jeremy Corbyn MP: How do we stop endless war waged by United States and its allies?

I bet you wish you had someone like this good guy, not like those corrupt business leaders you have.
A political revolution is coming to the UK (win win)

And its gone.
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August 24, 2015, 09:40:06 PM
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I'd have to say that she's probably the most trustworthy candidate at the moment. She'd beat the pants off of Trump that's for sure. Even given the e-mailgate scandal.


Josh Earnest: The president has indicated his view, that the decision he made, I guess seven years ago now, to add Joe Biden to the ticket as his running mate was the smartest decision he ever made in politics. And, I think that should give you some sense of the president’s view of Vice President’s Biden aptitude for the top job.

Reporter Jonathan Karl: So I assume that means the president would support Vice President Biden to run since it were a better decision than the Secretary of State he chose? You said it was the best decision he made…

Josh Earnest: Yeah. It was.


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August 24, 2015, 11:50:05 PM
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I'd have to say that she's probably the most trustworthy candidate at the moment. She'd beat the pants off of Trump that's for sure. Even given the e-mailgate scandal.



Draft Biden group circulates pro-Joe memo to DNC members



Ahead of the Democratic National Committee summer meeting in Minneapolis later this week, the Draft Biden campaign is circulating a memo to DNC members and party leaders, asking them to keep an open mind about a possible presidential run for Joe Biden.

In the two-page memo, titled, “The Case for Joe Biden,” a senior adviser to the group, Josh Alcorn, writes, “Our ask for you today is not financial: we are asking you to keep an open mind and consider a Biden candidacy. Our country, the Democratic Party, and yes, the Vice President deserves nothing less. The more you consider it, the more sense it makes.”

The letter was sent five days before all five declared Democratic presidential candidates are set to make their case to party leaders and superdelegates at the DNC gathering. Hillary Clinton is speaking at the meeting on Friday before heading back to the Hamptons, where she has been vacationing and attending fundraisers. Biden is not scheduled to attend the meeting.

Clinton supporters stressed the importance of the audience for the Democratic front-runner, who in 2008 won the popular vote but did not win enough delegates to win her party’s nomination.

The memo from the Draft Biden group to DNC members makes no explicit reference to the email controversy that is dogging Clinton and helping to create an opening for a Biden run. But it warns them that it is too early to get behind a presumed nominee.

“It’s important to remind ourselves of how conventional wisdom and early polling leaders in past primaries have fallen short,” the Draft Biden memo states. “It is way too early to bet on 2016 polls. In the late summer/early fall of 2003 and 2007, party activists were still being courted and the eventual nominee was not leading in the polls.”

The letter also argues that Biden shares the same characteristics that have helped to rally huge crowds and support for Republican front-runner Donald Trump and Vermont Sen. Bernie Sanders. “Americans are looking for a president who tells it like it is,” the memo states. “Everyone knows Joe Biden’s straightforward style and authentic approach to politics. But combine those likable qualities with a heavyweight resume – decades in the United States Senate and six and a half years executive experience in the White House – and the case for Joe Biden is clear as day.”

Alcorn, the former chief of staff to Joe Biden’s late son Beau, notes in the memo that since 2000, caucus and primary-goers have never coronated an “inevitable nominee in the year before those contests take place.” And it points to the fact that in 2007, the polls “made then-Senator Hillary Clinton look like a sure thing for the 2008 Democratic nomination.”

The memo also attempts to address questions of how Biden would build the campaign infrastructure necessary for a serious run.

“Draft Biden 2016 has already assembled a who’s who of staff talent focusing on deft media strategy, aggressive fundraising, innovative digital outreach, and a dynamic field operation that aims to be up and running in all 50 states by September,” the memo says.

In reality, the Draft Biden movement began as a ragtag group of junior operatives working out of a collective office space in downtown Chicago. But in the past 10 days, it has begun to attract some seasoned political operatives to its cause. When Alcorn signed on, it also lent the group the patina of a Biden-family blessed enterprise.

To some recipients, it showed “a lot of assertions without anything backing them up,” said one DNC meeting attendee after reading the letter. “If this is the way his campaign would be run, then he shouldn’t enter the race.”

A Draft Biden spokeswoman did not respond to a request for comment.


http://www.politico.com/story/2015/08/draft-biden-group-pro-joe-memo-dnc-members-121682.html



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August 25, 2015, 12:13:35 AM
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I'd have to say that she's probably the most trustworthy candidate at the moment. She'd beat the pants off of Trump that's for sure. Even given the e-mailgate scandal.


Obama gives Joe Biden 'blessing' for 2016 bid






Vice President Joe Biden received President Barack Obama's "blessing" to make a 2016 bid for the White House, according to a senior Democrat.

But that's if Biden chooses to run -- the decision is his. While he doesn't need the President's permission, of course, a potential presidential candidacy was among the topics of their lunch Monday at the White House. The President made clear he would not stand in his way or counsel him against a run, the senior Democrat said.

The Vice President was expected to huddle at his residence Monday night with Anita Dunn and Bob Bauer, the husband-and-wife team who have been at Obama's side for much of the last decade, two people familiar with the meeting told CNN. Steve Ricchetti, the Vice President's chief of staff, was also expected to attend.

"As a general rule, we are not going to confirm the Vice President's private meetings or provide a readout of them," an aide to the Vice President told CNN on Monday.

Dunn, a former White House communications director, and Bauer, a longtime lawyer to Obama, were among those invited to a meeting at the Naval Observatory in Washington. Ted Kaufman, a loyal Biden confidant who briefly occupied his Senate seat from Delaware, was also among those gathering to discuss how -- not whether -- Biden could run, if he decides to do so.

Biden is leaning toward running, several people involved in discussions tell CNN, but they stress that he has not yet firmly made up his mind to launch a candidacy.

The meeting on Monday night, along with his private session on Saturday with Sen. Elizabeth Warren, underscores the length he is going to explore a run.

While many top Democrats have already signed onto Hillary Clinton's candidacy, several former Obama advisers tell CNN they would work for Biden if he jumps into the race. Dunn and Bauer would be a high-profile addition to any potential campaign, and could send a signal to other Democrats that they should join Biden's effort. It is not known if they would ultimately work for Biden if he does enter the race.

Bauer is one of the top Democratic election lawyers in Washington, who helped guide Obama's presidential campaign eight years ago. Dunn, a veteran of presidential campaigns, served as a communications director during Obama's first term. She was also an adviser to former Sen. Tom Daschle, the Democratic leader.

Key Democratic fundraisers have been invited to a meeting with Biden after Labor Day, a source close to Biden confirmed to CNN.

The meeting, first reported by The Washington Post, is scheduled to be held at the Naval Observatory and is expected to occur the week after Labor Day.

The source characterizes the session as "one of several logical and necessary steps" the Vice President needs to take to get the best sense of the terrain. The source also says outreach to other party leaders is also planned.

The source says nothing is decided or firm about the Vice President's intentions but conversations are ongoing and deliberations could take most of September as Biden decides whether to enter the presidential race.



http://www.cnn.com/2015/08/24/politics/joe-biden-obama-blessing-2016/index.html


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Vice President Joe Biden received President Barack Obama's "blessing" to make a 2016 bid for the White House, according to a senior Democrat.
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Zionist?  Check!

The Dems are supposed to do a woman this time and a queer after that.  So says Greenwald:

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Hillary is banal, corrupted, drained of vibrancy and passion. I mean, she's been around forever, the Clinton circle. She's a fucking hawk and like a neocon, practically. She's surrounded by all these sleazy money types who are just corrupting everything everywhere. But she's going to be the first female president, and women in America are going to be completely invested in her candidacy. Opposition to her is going to be depicted as misogynistic, like opposition to Obama has been depicted as racist. It's going to be this completely symbolic messaging that's going to overshadow the fact that she'll do nothing but continue everything in pursuit of her own power. They'll probably have a gay person after Hillary who's just going to do the same thing.

I would say that NWO brainwashing will have things set up to run a tranny in 2020.


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August 25, 2015, 01:43:21 AM
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I suppose if Hillary makes it into the presidency, we'll have to start calling her Hilliam, like we used to call Bill Billary.

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HellNation, even Evil Slimeball Jeb Bush could beat Biden the Dwarf.
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August 25, 2015, 04:27:57 PM
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I'd have to say that she's probably the most trustworthy candidate at the moment. She'd beat the pants off of Trump that's for sure. Even given the e-mailgate scandal.


Here's what Clinton's classified emails discussed


Hillary Clinton's classified emails contain discussions of conversations with foreign diplomats, issues with embassy security and relations with countries from Russia to China.

The broad range of information that was deemed classified by the State Department — just within the emails published by the agency to date —underscores concerns that sensitive material was routinely mishandled on Clinton's private email server.

For example, Huma Abedin, Clinton's former deputy chief of staff, forwarded a summary of a high-level Sept. 2009 meeting to Clinton in which she detailed the "embassy security issues" that were discussed.

The issues had been raised by Eric Boswell, a diplomatic security official who was later forced to resign in the wake of the 2012 terror attack in Benghazi.

Abedin was frequently involved in the transmission of classified information to Clinton, emails show.

Cheryl Mills, Clinton's former chief of staff, and Jake Sullivan, former director of policy planning, also routinely sent or received classified emails from the secretary of state.

Despite her campaign's claims that Clinton was simply a "passive recipient" of classified information, a review of her emails indicates she wrote messages that are now classified.

For example, in July 2009, she discussed relations with Russia and Afghanistan with then-Deputy Secretary William Burns in an email that has been partially classified. She also discussed her travel plans with Burns over the private network.

Other classified conversations involved one of Clinton's present Democratic challengers for president: then-Sen. Jim Webb.

As Webb traveled through southeast Asia in August 2009, Clinton and Sullivan sent each other a series of emails that are now classified before deciding they should contact the Virginia senator at Clinton's request.

Another chain indicates Mills forwarded to Clinton's private address a classified summary of Webb's meeting with Aung San Suu Kyi, an opposition leader in Burma.

Some emails indicate foreign leaders may have been aware of the private email system Clinton had established.

In November 2009, an aide to David Miliband, Clinton's British counterpart, sent from his "home account" a classified note from Miliband to Abedin in the hopes of it reaching Clinton's eyes only.

Abedin later passed the note to Clinton and indicated it was information Miliband "doesn't want to send through the system."

Clinton has admitted Abedin had a private account on the server now in FBI custody. Abedin has yet to hand over most of her official communications from her time at the State Department.

Abedin, Mills and Sullivan are each slated to appear before the House Select Committee on Benghazi for their role in the agency's handling of the attack. Mills and Sullivan will meet with the committee Sept. 3 and 4.


http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/article/2570763


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August 25, 2015, 11:41:50 PM
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I'd have to say that she's probably the most trustworthy candidate at the moment. She'd beat the pants off of Trump that's for sure. Even given the e-mailgate scandal.


Should Hillary Clinton Suspend Her Campaign?



Growing national security questions about Hillary Clinton’s use of a private e-mail server during her time as secretary of State are drowning out much of her message as a presidential candidate and causing many of her fellow Democrats to worry about the future of her campaign. Is it time for Clinton to put her campaign on temporary hold?

Voters are almost evenly divided on that question: the latest Rasmussen Reports national telephone survey finds that 46% of Likely U.S. Voters believe Clinton should suspend her campaign for the Democratic presidential nomination until all of the legal questions about her use of the private e-mail server are resolved. Nearly as many (44%) disagree. Nine percent (9%) are undecided.

Even one-in-four Democrats (24%) agree that the front-runner for their party’s nomination should suspend her campaign for the time being. But that compares to 73% of Republicans and 46% of voters not affiliated with either major party.

Forty-five percent (45%) of all voters - but only 18% of Democrats - now consider the national security questions raised about Clinton’s use of a private e-mail server while serving as secretary of State to be a serious scandal. Twenty-eight percent (28%) of likely voters consider the matter an embarrassing situation, while nearly as many (23%) say it’s no big deal.

At the same time, Vice President Joe Biden is reportedly moving closer to a decision whether to challenge Clinton for the Democratic nomination because of her e-mail woes. Our latest Hillary Meter shows the former first lady losing ground noticeably among voters, but Democrats weren’t overly enthusiastic about a Biden run earlier this month.

Clinton has been far and away the leader of the Democratic presidential pack in surveys for months.  Rasmussen Reports will release its latest numbers from the Democratic presidential race at 8:30 a.m. Eastern tomorrow.


The survey of 1,000 Likely Voters was conducted on August 23-24, 2015 by Rasmussen Reports. The margin of sampling error is +/- 3 percentage points with a 95% level of confidence. Field work for all Rasmussen Reports surveys is conducted by Pulse Opinion Research, LLC.

As recently as a month ago (and there have been additional questions raised since then), 54% of voters already felt Clinton’s use of a private, non-government provider for her e-mail while serving as secretary of State raises serious national security concerns.

Men believe a bit more strongly than women that Clinton should temporarily suspend her campaign. White voters are nearly twice as likely as black voters to think she should put her campaign on hold. Other minority voters tend to oppose that idea.

Middle-income voters are stronger advocates of a campaign hold than those in other income brackets.

Voters who approve of the job President Obama is doing are strongly opposed to Clinton suspending her campaign. Most voters who disapprove of the president’s job performance think she should take a break until the legal questions about the e-mail server are resolved.

Just 37% of all voters say they trust Clinton. Sixty-three percent (63%) think it’s likely some actions Clinton took as secretary of State were influenced by donations made to the Clinton Foundation. This includes 42% who say it’s Very Likely.


http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/elections/election_2016/should_hillary_clinton_suspend_her_campaign



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Hillary is the worst possible person to vote for. Ewwwwwww
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EXCLUSIVE: 'Hillary is lonely, has trouble expressing her feelings and yearns for an intimate relationship with a powerful woman,' claims noted shrink who puts the presidential hopeful on the couch

Hillary Clinton is a lonely woman who has trouble expressing her feelings.

So says Dr. Alma Bond, a psychoanalyst and author who holds a PhD from Columbia University and did post doctorate studies from the Freudian Society. She has been studying Hillary Clinton from afar for many years.

The Democratic presidential candidate has difficulty with men and she needs a woman friend on her same political level that she can share strategy or top secret events of the day.

Dr. Bond suggests that Hillary, 67,  has unsuccessfully looked for a female equal for years, despite the closeness of her assistant and closest aide, Huma Abedin

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3209152/Hillary-lonely-trouble-expressing-feelings-yearns-intimate-relationship-powerful-woman-claims-noted-shrink-puts-presidential-hopeful-couch.html#ixzz3jsMGae3y
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EXCLUSIVE: 'Hillary is lonely, has trouble expressing her feelings and yearns for an intimate relationship with a powerful woman,' claims noted shrink who puts the presidential hopeful on the couch

Hillary Clinton is a lonely woman who has trouble expressing her feelings.

So says Dr. Alma Bond, a psychoanalyst and author who holds a PhD from Columbia University and did post doctorate studies from the Freudian Society. She has been studying Hillary Clinton from afar for many years.

The Democratic presidential candidate has difficulty with men and she needs a woman friend on her same political level that she can share strategy or top secret events of the day.

Dr. Bond suggests that Hillary, 67,  has unsuccessfully looked for a female equal for years, despite the closeness of her assistant and closest aide, Huma Abedin

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3209152/Hillary-lonely-trouble-expressing-feelings-yearns-intimate-relationship-powerful-woman-claims-noted-shrink-puts-presidential-hopeful-couch.html#ixzz3jsMGae3y



When I saw how her husband's mistresses were hit hard by feminists, how she stood by him, I lost all the little respect I have left for her... She deserves everything.


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EXCLUSIVE: 'Hillary is lonely, has trouble expressing her feelings and yearns for an intimate relationship with a powerful woman,' claims noted shrink who puts the presidential hopeful on the couch

Hillary Clinton is a lonely woman who has trouble expressing her feelings.

So says Dr. Alma Bond, a psychoanalyst and author who holds a PhD from Columbia University and did post doctorate studies from the Freudian Society. She has been studying Hillary Clinton from afar for many years.

The Democratic presidential candidate has difficulty with men and she needs a woman friend on her same political level that she can share strategy or top secret events of the day.

Dr. Bond suggests that Hillary, 67,  has unsuccessfully looked for a female equal for years, despite the closeness of her assistant and closest aide, Huma Abedin

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3209152/Hillary-lonely-trouble-expressing-feelings-yearns-intimate-relationship-powerful-woman-claims-noted-shrink-puts-presidential-hopeful-couch.html#ixzz3jsMGae3y


Condi Rice is every bit her equal intellectually...just without as much evil.


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EXCLUSIVE: 'Hillary is lonely, has trouble expressing her feelings and yearns for an intimate relationship with a powerful woman,' claims noted shrink who puts the presidential hopeful on the couch

Hillary Clinton is a lonely woman who has trouble expressing her feelings.

So says Dr. Alma Bond, a psychoanalyst and author who holds a PhD from Columbia University and did post doctorate studies from the Freudian Society. She has been studying Hillary Clinton from afar for many years.

The Democratic presidential candidate has difficulty with men and she needs a woman friend on her same political level that she can share strategy or top secret events of the day.

Dr. Bond suggests that Hillary, 67,  has unsuccessfully looked for a female equal for years, despite the closeness of her assistant and closest aide, Huma Abedin

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3209152/Hillary-lonely-trouble-expressing-feelings-yearns-intimate-relationship-powerful-woman-claims-noted-shrink-puts-presidential-hopeful-couch.html#ixzz3jsMGae3y

Condi Rice is every bit her equal intellectually...just without as much evil.


Polite words for she be a butch?
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To answer the initial topic opinion question,

Nope..

The email scandal itself bothers me too much

Lies after lies...
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