What's your opinion of gun control?

[rayhan]

I do not really see a reason for keeping guns, unless there are lot of crimes happening and people are keeping it for their safety. To keep it just as a hobby or interests, seems ridiculous. It is not a toy.

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[oblivi]

I do not really see a reason for keeping guns, unless there are lot of crimes happening and people are keeping it for their safety. To keep it just as a hobby or interests, seems ridiculous. It is not a toy.

In america it's seen as a hobby. You can see videos of people testing out guns and shoting out watermelons outdoors in some places that sometimes look like their backyard. It's pretty insane to anyone not living on there. I mean you can walk in on that area without knowing someone is shoting shit up and get shoot... pretty crazy.

[NeuroticFish]

Guns should be used only by the army and SWAT. I think that such restriction would make life much easier for all.

In america it's seen as a hobby. You can see videos of people testing out guns and shoting out watermelons outdoors in some places that sometimes look like their backyard. It's pretty insane to anyone not living on there. I mean you can walk in on that area without knowing someone is shoting shit up and get shoot... pretty crazy.

Most terrorist have this "hobby" too. Americans will have to let that go. For most cases a pepper spray is just enough.

[RodeoX]

Guns should be used only by the army and SWAT. I think that such restriction would make life much easier for all.

In america it's seen as a hobby. You can see videos of people testing out guns and shoting out watermelons outdoors in some places that sometimes look like their backyard. It's pretty insane to anyone not living on there. I mean you can walk in on that area without knowing someone is shoting shit up and get shoot... pretty crazy.

Most terrorist have this "hobby" too. Americans will have to let that go. For most cases a pepper spray is just enough.

Really, Have you been in a gunfight? I have, and I know you have not because you think pepper spray is of some use.  Good luck with that!
Again, why would anyone listen to people who know nothing about guns? Do you ask the bag boy at the store about your investment portfolio? I know my guns, and I would hope you never pull out pepper spray on an armed person. Your best bet is trying to bargain for your life with a blow job or something. I don't know what will happen in the end. It's really not up to us, the criminal will decide what your future is.

[popcorn1]

Guns should be used only by the army and SWAT. I think that such restriction would make life much easier for all.

In america it's seen as a hobby. You can see videos of people testing out guns and shoting out watermelons outdoors in some places that sometimes look like their backyard. It's pretty insane to anyone not living on there. I mean you can walk in on that area without knowing someone is shoting shit up and get shoot... pretty crazy.

Most terrorist have this "hobby" too. Americans will have to let that go. For most cases a pepper spray is just enough.

Really, Have you been in a gunfight? I have, and I know you have not because you think pepper spray is of some use.  Good luck with that!
Again, why would anyone listen to people who know nothing about guns? Do you ask the bag boy at the store about your investment portfolio? I know my guns, and I would hope you never pull out pepper spray on an armed person. Your best bet is trying to bargain for your life with a blow job or something. I don't know what will happen in the end. It's really not up to us, the criminal will decide what your future is.

your funny you
ban them for sure HAVE YOU BEEN IN A GUN FIGHT SAYS IT ALL AND YOU SAY YOU HAVE 99% of people in Europe will have never had a shoot out ever most won,t even have touched a gun........ have you had a shoot out
now if you 2 had no guns you won,t be having a shoot out understand JOHN WAYNE

[the joint]

Guns should be used only by the army and SWAT. I think that such restriction would make life much easier for all.

In america it's seen as a hobby. You can see videos of people testing out guns and shoting out watermelons outdoors in some places that sometimes look like their backyard. It's pretty insane to anyone not living on there. I mean you can walk in on that area without knowing someone is shoting shit up and get shoot... pretty crazy.

Most terrorist have this "hobby" too. Americans will have to let that go. For most cases a pepper spray is just enough.

Again, I propose the challenge: Name one good reason why armymen or SWAT team members should automatically be granted more trust with a gun than your neighbors.

[gentlemand]

Again, I propose the challenge: Name one good reason why armymen or SWAT team members should automatically be granted more trust with a gun than your neighbors.

Errrrrrrrr

Training and stuff? Having an actual need for them?

[RodeoX]

ban them for sure HAVE YOU BEEN IN A GUN FIGHT SAYS IT ALL AND YOU SAY YOU HAVE 99% of people in Europe will have never had a shoot out ever most won,t even have touched a gun........ have you had a shoot out
now if you 2 had no guns you won,t be having a shoot out understand JOHN WAYNE

Is Croatia Europe? Then I have been in gun fights there as well.
In Europe you guys think you don't need guns. Then every 50 years you all die from guns at once. Hitler said you don't need guns. Stalin agrees. Good luck.  

@ the joint

You missed the part in a previous post where he mentioned that he was only exposed to such shootouts after moving to a large city with an outright gun ban, whereas there were no shootouts in the neighborhood he previously lived in where every family owned a gun.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1093806.msg11686537#msg11686537

Nice try, though

To be clear. I have not been in a gunfight in the U.S., although I have seen them. However, I have seen war on three continents. I did not like it.

[PenguinFire]

I believe some form of gun control is needed (i.e. background checks, gun restriction, etc) but nothing some extreme liberals are proposing.  I think of myself as a liberal but they often do go way overboard with gun issues.

[RodeoX]

I believe some form of gun control is needed (i.e. background checks, gun restriction, etc) but nothing some extreme liberals are proposing.  I think of myself as a liberal but they often do go way overboard with gun issues.

I am also progressive/liberal. I totally agree with what your saying. I think people mean well, but gun control is to the left what abortion is to the right. It is a settled issue that some will not let go of. I also support background check, most gun owners I know do.

[PenguinFire]

I believe some form of gun control is needed (i.e. background checks, gun restriction, etc) but nothing some extreme liberals are proposing.  I think of myself as a liberal but they often do go way overboard with gun issues.

I am also progressive/liberal. I totally agree with what your saying. I think people mean well, but gun control is to the left what abortion is to the right. It is a settled issue that some will not let go of. I also support background check, most gun owners I know do.

I am with you man.  That is the problem.  Honestly 90 some percent of the liberal I have met that I value their opinion at all feel the same way.  Liberals in the house and congress talk a big game when it comes to regulation but usually end up doing nothing.  It is commonly only used as a political stance to gain a population of their voter base.  I wish we all could just be some reasonable, fair gun control. 

[jayce]

I think its safer if we just trust a stranger to secure our neighborhood than each person have the gun in their home. Can you imagine if someday a person quarrel with his neighbor and be angry? Wow it will be a bloody fight by the guns between them. So, imo it's would be better if there is no gun in society 

But can a person rob a mall full of people with a knife? It is not about what can happen and what cannot. It is about the necessity of keeping guns. I just want to know if it is really necessary to keep guns?

Well if you have free time you can read it http://www.wmbfnews.com/story/27935069/coastal-grand-mall-store-robbed-at-knife-point-for-second-time-this-month

That "stranger" has a family too. That "stranger" is payed to protect your family. Who does he pay to protect his if they do not have the 2nd Amendment to protect them? What make you so special? Your paycheck?

Do you know how many people die from aspirin allergy each year? I do not. "Hello google!"

Currently, anaphylaxis leads to 500–1,000 deaths per year (2.4 per million) in the United States, 20 deaths per year in the United Kingdom (0.33 per million), and 15 deaths per year in Australia (0.64 per million).[10] Mortality rates have decreased between the 1970s and 2000s.[39] In Australia, death from food-induced anaphylaxis occur primarily in women while deaths due to insect bites primarily occur in males.[10] Death from anaphylaxis is most commonly triggered by medications


With the million of guns right now in the US how many time your movie of bad blood between neighbors happen? "Hello google!"



If you live in Europe then I totally understand your positivism regarding servitude...

I agree if gun is legalized to society, but with the provision of we are living in crimes area which there are drug cartels, bad guys, or gangster around there. But, why do we need that tool if we can sleep and do activities peacefully there? There were many shooting accident in US, and I would to know what your reaction if someday you is gun pointed by a mad man or any one else. I will say it again, we don't need it if there is no threads to ours.

[NeuroticFish]

Guns should be used only by the army and SWAT. I think that such restriction would make life much easier for all.

In america it's seen as a hobby. You can see videos of people testing out guns and shoting out watermelons outdoors in some places that sometimes look like their backyard. It's pretty insane to anyone not living on there. I mean you can walk in on that area without knowing someone is shoting shit up and get shoot... pretty crazy.

Most terrorist have this "hobby" too. Americans will have to let that go. For most cases a pepper spray is just enough.

Really, Have you been in a gunfight? I have, and I know you have not because you think pepper spray is of some use.   Good luck with that!
Again, why would anyone listen to people who know nothing about guns? Do you ask the bag boy at the store about your investment portfolio? I know my guns, and I would hope you never pull out pepper spray on an armed person. Your best bet is trying to bargain for your life with a blow job or something. I don't know what will happen in the end. It's really not up to us, the criminal will decide what your future is.

You missed completely my point.
If only army and SWAT would have guns, it would be much less likely you'd end up in a gun fight.
If guns would be so much harder to be bought, the likelihood to see this often gun fights would be much much smaller.
And obviously it's the law enforcement who should take care of this, not you and your guns.

I live in a country where it's very hard to get a gun. And it's the very few things I actually like here. I've never seen a gun fight and the chance to see one in the next 5 years is almost 0, though I use to walk alone in the night on the streets.

Edit: missed a word, yeah, En is not my primary language

[tvbcof]

Again, I propose the challenge: Name one good reason why armymen or SWAT team members should automatically be granted more trust with a gun than your neighbors.

Bigger guns and better technology.  State paramilitaries won't engage unless they are highly confident that they can win.  When one's life and the lives of one's family is on the line the safest bet is to go with a winner.

[the joint]

Again, I propose the challenge: Name one good reason why armymen or SWAT team members should automatically be granted more trust with a gun than your neighbors.

Errrrrrrrr

Training and stuff? Having an actual need for them?

If you don't think that defending one's self constitutes a need, then by extension one shouldn't need police, armymen, or SWAT teams to defend one's self, either.  I doubt you would be in favor of that.

Training is a fair point (compared to areas where someone can lawfully obtain a gun without training) but can arguably be offset by the context in which they are trained.  The nature of the jobs of military and police is one where violence is anticipated.  This is why you see, for example, police officers approach a routine traffic stop with their hands on their holsters.  The psychological expectation of violence contributes to a greater likelihood that they will be more "trigger-happy" (didn't mean that euphemistically, but for lack of a better term) and make a careless mistake themselves.  

We both have surely heard of all the deaths of unarmed citizens by police and otherwise.  Highlighting this point, do you think that the recent incident where an unarmed man flagged down police was shot and killed would have ended the same way if the man had flagged down a civilian?  Nope.  Furthermore, society often approves the use of deadly force by police in situations where a criminal has a knife, bat, or other handheld weapon.  Why?  Because the police officer was defending himself.  By extension of that logic, it should be approved that any man can defend himself against similar threats with a gun.

Edit: On 2nd thought, even "training" isn't a very good reason at all.  The reason is that the only significantly important training is that which is relevant after a threat has been identified.  Mental illness not withstanding, basically any idiot will have a good idea when a significant threat exists such that the use of a gun becomes justifiable.  Unless you have some paranoia yourself, you shouldn't have much worry about your gun-toting neighbors just lighting up the neighborhood willy-nilly.  The question is instead whether you can trust them with a gun after they have identified a legitimate threat to the safety of their selves or someone else.  In a home invasion, this won't be much of any concern because the threat is isolated to that environment.  And if everyone of sane mind has a gun, the chances decreases that a legitimate threat will exist in a public space (because a criminal knows he has no chance unless he's already committed himself to going out with guns blazing).  People don't take guns and start shooting randomly while spinning in circles.

[popcorn1]

ban them for sure HAVE YOU BEEN IN A GUN FIGHT SAYS IT ALL AND YOU SAY YOU HAVE 99% of people in Europe will have never had a shoot out ever most won,t even have touched a gun........ have you had a shoot out
now if you 2 had no guns you won,t be having a shoot out understand JOHN WAYNE

Is Croatia Europe? Then I have been in gun fights there as well.
In Europe you guys think you don't need guns. Then every 50 years you all die from guns at once. Hitler said you don't need guns. Stalin agrees. Good luck.  

@ the joint

You missed the part in a previous post where he mentioned that he was only exposed to such shootouts after moving to a large city with an outright gun ban, whereas there were no shootouts in the neighborhood he previously lived in where every family owned a gun.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1093806.msg11686537#msg11686537

Nice try, though

To be clear. I have not been in a gunfight in the U.S., although I have seen them. However, I have seen war on three continents. I did not like it.

your words not mine
Really, Have you been in a gunfight? I have, and I know you have not because you think pepper spray is of some use.  Cheesy Good luck with that!  
DID YOU NOT WRITE THIS BECAUSE I NEVER
SO NOW YOU ARE A GUN  NUT LIAR
POLICE TAKE THIS MANS GUNS AWAY HE IS DELUDED AND CRAZY  
ARE YOU A SOLDIER

[popcorn1]

ban them for sure HAVE YOU BEEN IN A GUN FIGHT SAYS IT ALL AND YOU SAY YOU HAVE 99% of people in Europe will have never had a shoot out ever most won,t even have touched a gun........ have you had a shoot out
now if you 2 had no guns you won,t be having a shoot out understand JOHN WAYNE

Is Croatia Europe? Then I have been in gun fights there as well.
In Europe you guys think you don't need guns. Then every 50 years you all die from guns at once. Hitler said you don't need guns. Stalin agrees. Good luck.  

@ the joint

You missed the part in a previous post where he mentioned that he was only exposed to such shootouts after moving to a large city with an outright gun ban, whereas there were no shootouts in the neighborhood he previously lived in where every family owned a gun.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1093806.msg11686537#msg11686537

Nice try, though

To be clear. I have not been in a gunfight in the U.S., although I have seen them. However, I have seen war on three continents. I did not like it.

your words not mine
Really, Have you been in a gunfight? I have, and I know you have not because you think pepper spray is of some use.  Cheesy Good luck with that!  
DID YOU NOT WRITE THIS BECAUSE I NEVER
SO NOW YOU ARE A GUN  NUT LIAR
POLICE TAKE THIS MANS GUNS AWAY HE IS DELUDED AND CRAZY  
ARE YOU A SOLDIER

He was clarifying.  Everything I said was accurate. He was adding information, likely because some people around here might read into it and see something that isn't there...

By the way, I don't even own a gun, nor have I ever fired one lol.

just found out something don,t no if true but i bet it is
you have 20% more chance of getting robbed in the UK than the USA
and you have 4 times more chance of getting murdered in the USA than the UK and not just because of a gun
 I THINK I WONT GO TO THE USA   I STAY AT HOME  i rather be robbed than dead mind you i got fuck all to rob so i should be safe

[BADecker]

The only thing keeping the world free is American gun freedom. American gun freedom is the right of Americans to control their own guns in such a way that they can do anything with them as long as they don't harm anyone or damage his property. If Americans didn't have gun freedom, the world would have caved in to worldwide dictatorship long ago.

[hangar18]

Many people here do not feel comfortable with the government having a monopoly on force, so removing guns is a non-starter for them.

[Wilikon]

I think its safer if we just trust a stranger to secure our neighborhood than each person have the gun in their home. Can you imagine if someday a person quarrel with his neighbor and be angry? Wow it will be a bloody fight by the guns between them. So, imo it's would be better if there is no gun in society 

But can a person rob a mall full of people with a knife? It is not about what can happen and what cannot. It is about the necessity of keeping guns. I just want to know if it is really necessary to keep guns?

Well if you have free time you can read it http://www.wmbfnews.com/story/27935069/coastal-grand-mall-store-robbed-at-knife-point-for-second-time-this-month

That "stranger" has a family too. That "stranger" is payed to protect your family. Who does he pay to protect his if they do not have the 2nd Amendment to protect them? What make you so special? Your paycheck?

Do you know how many people die from aspirin allergy each year? I do not. "Hello google!"

Currently, anaphylaxis leads to 500–1,000 deaths per year (2.4 per million) in the United States, 20 deaths per year in the United Kingdom (0.33 per million), and 15 deaths per year in Australia (0.64 per million).[10] Mortality rates have decreased between the 1970s and 2000s.[39] In Australia, death from food-induced anaphylaxis occur primarily in women while deaths due to insect bites primarily occur in males.[10] Death from anaphylaxis is most commonly triggered by medications


With the million of guns right now in the US how many time your movie of bad blood between neighbors happen? "Hello google!"



If you live in Europe then I totally understand your positivism regarding servitude...

I agree if gun is legalized to society, but with the provision of we are living in crimes area which there are drug cartels, bad guys, or gangster around there. But, why do we need that tool if we can sleep and do activities peacefully there? There were many shooting accident in US, and I would to know what your reaction if someday you is gun pointed by a mad man or any one else. I will say it again, we don't need it if there is no threads to ours.

Reality is: we've left heaven on earth a long time ago since the snake and apple incident...
Reality is: if you live in a high crime area it is not by choice but economical reasons.
Reality is: if you are a proud member of the NRA then you respect life much more than the thugs killing and rapping the people in your high crime area.

I wish the concept of self protection was a myth. I wish "I mind my own business and I am peaceful so no one will attack or rape me" was reality.
Maybe where you live it already is and there is no need for that tool, as you have a private army of poor people making sure you and your family are safe, using that tool. But what about their family? Should they just call 911 and wait for the best while YOU have private security?

How is that fair?"I will say it again, we don't need it if there is no threads to ours."

Tough luck for everyone else then...