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Well there might not be a marked improvement immediately, but it would help in the long run. It certainly can't hurt. No matter how small a margin of shootings are prevented, it'd be worth it.
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June 25, 2015, 11:19:42 PM |
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In my country, to own a gun, you need:
- a membership from a shooting range - you need to be active in the shooting range (at least a dozen times a year) - you need to take an exam every 5 years - you need to pay extra tax every 5 years - your doctor needs to sign a weaver that you are capable of owning a gun - you need a special cage to store your gun - you need a signature of every person over 18 years old, living in your house - certain calibers are just illegal, no normal civillian can own them... Period (it's pretty hard to own a firearm other than caliber 6 and 9 mm) - the amount of ammunition you can own is limited (i think you can have 10.000 cartridges as a private citizen)
So it's basically almost impossible to own a gun legally (many people own guns illegally tough). However, gun related deaths are pretty low.
EDIT: even after all these thing, the government can change gun controll laws whenever they want. If you stop complying to the new laws, you have to turn in your firearm with the police for free, even when you bought it legally... (this actually happened on two occasions the last couple of years)
this seems overkill. but tbh, i'm torn on the subject. on one hand, i'm generally for minimal government control. on the other hand, i think the pro-gun culture where i live (u.s.a.) is very destructive and contributes to the significantly higher gun violence here than other places. i don't have a problem with guns, per se. my problem is with the mass of idiots that worship them and believe they are part of their own identity.
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June 25, 2015, 11:20:48 PM |
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Well there might not be a marked improvement immediately, but it would help in the long run. It certainly can't hurt. No matter how small a margin of shootings are prevented, it'd be worth it.
it's more about the aggregate of violent crime. switching shootings for stabbings isn't really better, is it? so, the question is will it actually prevent violent crime, or simply shootings?
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June 25, 2015, 11:50:05 PM |
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In my country, to own a gun, you need:
- a membership from a shooting range - you need to be active in the shooting range (at least a dozen times a year) - you need to take an exam every 5 years - you need to pay extra tax every 5 years - your doctor needs to sign a weaver that you are capable of owning a gun - you need a special cage to store your gun - you need a signature of every person over 18 years old, living in your house - certain calibers are just illegal, no normal civillian can own them... Period (it's pretty hard to own a firearm other than caliber 6 and 9 mm) - the amount of ammunition you can own is limited (i think you can have 10.000 cartridges as a private citizen)
So it's basically almost impossible to own a gun legally (many people own guns illegally tough). However, gun related deaths are pretty low.
EDIT: even after all these thing, the government can change gun controll laws whenever they want. If you stop complying to the new laws, you have to turn in your firearm with the police for free, even when you bought it legally... (this actually happened on two occasions the last couple of years)
this seems overkill. but tbh, i'm torn on the subject. on one hand, i'm generally for minimal government control. on the other hand, i think the pro-gun culture where i live (u.s.a.) is very destructive and contributes to the significantly higher gun violence here than other places. i don't have a problem with guns, per se. my problem is with the mass of idiots that worship them and believe they are part of their own identity. The image of the redneck with his confederate flag in the back of his F150 being the biggest gun buyer is not flying anymore... Women fastest growing demographic for gun buyersA new study by the gun industry’s lobbyist group shows that women are the fastest growing demographic for gun owners and how gun makers and sellers can keep the momentum. The National Shooting Sports Foundation introduced the study Jan. 21 during its annual convention, the Shooting Hunting Outdoor Trade Show, in Las Vegas. For years the gun industry, still very much dominated by males, strived to appeal to women, so with the study the NSSF aims to inform retailers and gun makers how to engage women already interested in shooting sports by designing products women want and adopting new selling techniques. “Anybody can pull a trigger. Anybody can go hunting. We want to expand that and share what we love with everybody,” said Jim Curcuruto, NSSF director of industry research and analysis, and added more gun buyers could also mean more gun voters. “It will have benefits, obviously, economically for the industry, politically for the industry. You know, gun owners, they’re probably gonna go pro-gun when it’s election time, so the more gun owners they have, the better it is politically for the future,” Curcuruto said. The study surveyed 1,001 women between 18 and 65 years old who own at least one gun and bought their first firearm within the last three years. Results show women, mostly between ages 18 and 34, primarily buying guns for protection, spending on average $870 on firearms and more than $400 on accessories. To put the survey not perspective, 95 percent of women said they tried target shooting, 58 percent tried hunting, 42 percent obtained a concealed carry permit, and 73 percent have taken a training class. Also, more than 50 percent of the women said they would buy another gun within 12 months. http://www.guns.com/2015/01/22/women-fastest-growing-demographic-for-gun-buyers/
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June 25, 2015, 11:56:04 PM |
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In my country, to own a gun, you need:
- a membership from a shooting range - you need to be active in the shooting range (at least a dozen times a year) - you need to take an exam every 5 years - you need to pay extra tax every 5 years - your doctor needs to sign a weaver that you are capable of owning a gun - you need a special cage to store your gun - you need a signature of every person over 18 years old, living in your house - certain calibers are just illegal, no normal civillian can own them... Period (it's pretty hard to own a firearm other than caliber 6 and 9 mm) - the amount of ammunition you can own is limited (i think you can have 10.000 cartridges as a private citizen)
So it's basically almost impossible to own a gun legally (many people own guns illegally tough). However, gun related deaths are pretty low.
EDIT: even after all these thing, the government can change gun controll laws whenever they want. If you stop complying to the new laws, you have to turn in your firearm with the police for free, even when you bought it legally... (this actually happened on two occasions the last couple of years)
this seems overkill. but tbh, i'm torn on the subject. on one hand, i'm generally for minimal government control. on the other hand, i think the pro-gun culture where i live (u.s.a.) is very destructive and contributes to the significantly higher gun violence here than other places. i don't have a problem with guns, per se. my problem is with the mass of idiots that worship them and believe they are part of their own identity. The image of the redneck with his confederate flag in the back of his F150 being the biggest gun buyer is not flying anymore... Women fastest growing demographic for gun buyersi'm not sure what point you are trying to make. the fact that women might increasingly be becoming gun owners doesn't really have anything to do with what i said.
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June 26, 2015, 01:19:18 AM |
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Weak. Anyone can use legal civilian pepperspray or ranged stun gun / tazer to non-lethally take down any size assailant in their home with 15-20 feet range. ![](https://ip.bitcointalk.org/?u=http%3A%2F%2Fs.hswstatic.com%2Fgif%2Fstun-gun-250x150.jpg&t=665&c=Fo6ALFw2D27raw) This baby will stop a full grown angry bear. There's no need to be throwing deadly bits of metal at each other in 2015. That we've made flinging supersonic steel bits a national pastime is fucking barbaric and shameful, and deeply embarrassing to me personally as an American citizen.
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June 26, 2015, 01:44:38 AM |
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I believe that gun control will not work.First, I believe that guns are not weapons, they are tools. How they are used is up to the person holding it. Guns themselves can't do anything it is the person with the gun that decides where the bullet goes.
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June 26, 2015, 01:51:25 AM |
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I believe that gun control will not work.First, I believe that guns are not weapons, they are tools. How they are used is up to the person holding it. Guns themselves can't do anything it is the person with the gun that decides where the bullet goes.
Well, technically speaking Sir Isaac Newton decides where the bullet goes. The person holding the gun only gets to decide where it's aimed. ![](https://ip.bitcointalk.org/?u=https%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2FbyHvFlt.jpg&t=665&c=wgRYvWnhKnwpdw)
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June 26, 2015, 02:31:42 AM |
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... There's no need to be throwing deadly bits of metal at each other in 2015. That we've made flinging supersonic steel bits a national pastime is fucking barbaric and shameful, and deeply embarrassing to me personally as an American citizen.
You were born in the wrong country sonny. The founding fathers were raving conspiracy theorist gun loons like us. We've dispensed with some of the outdated beliefs (e.g., only white land-owning males can vote) and kept the things that are timeless (e.g., the 2nd amendment.) Suck it up. Nobody is telling you have to carry, and nobody has shot you yet so it seems. Your idiotic implanted phobia is just that so you are better off keeping it to yourself and not burdening others with it. To paraphrase Chris Rock about OJ: " I'm not saying right wing death-squads should have disappeared those people...but I understand." I don't want to see that happen here and that's where your masters are taking us. That's why I walked away from the mainstream Left.
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June 26, 2015, 03:07:53 AM |
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In my country, to own a gun, you need:
- a membership from a shooting range - you need to be active in the shooting range (at least a dozen times a year) - you need to take an exam every 5 years - you need to pay extra tax every 5 years - your doctor needs to sign a weaver that you are capable of owning a gun - you need a special cage to store your gun - you need a signature of every person over 18 years old, living in your house - certain calibers are just illegal, no normal civillian can own them... Period (it's pretty hard to own a firearm other than caliber 6 and 9 mm) - the amount of ammunition you can own is limited (i think you can have 10.000 cartridges as a private citizen)
So it's basically almost impossible to own a gun legally (many people own guns illegally tough). However, gun related deaths are pretty low.
EDIT: even after all these thing, the government can change gun controll laws whenever they want. If you stop complying to the new laws, you have to turn in your firearm with the police for free, even when you bought it legally... (this actually happened on two occasions the last couple of years)
this seems overkill. but tbh, i'm torn on the subject. on one hand, i'm generally for minimal government control. on the other hand, i think the pro-gun culture where i live (u.s.a.) is very destructive and contributes to the significantly higher gun violence here than other places. i don't have a problem with guns, per se. my problem is with the mass of idiots that worship them and believe they are part of their own identity. The image of the redneck with his confederate flag in the back of his F150 being the biggest gun buyer is not flying anymore... Women fastest growing demographic for gun buyersi'm not sure what point you are trying to make. the fact that women might increasingly be becoming gun owners doesn't really have anything to do with what i said. "i don't have a problem with guns, per se. my problem is with the mass of idiots that worship them and believe they are part of their own identity." I had a caricature of the iconic redneck with a pickup truck when I read that. For everyone reading this thread it is important to note that caricature is evolving as more and more women understand why the gun is called the great equalizer and this is an amazingly good development. It is not a reply to what you've said directly but more of an update of who the mass of idiots are nowadays. That is all. God made men, but Sam Colt made them equal. Col. Samuel Colt's revolver continues to serve as an equalizer. Being bigger, tougher and meaner than the next guy isn’t worth much if the next guy carries a gun.
Bad attitude and big muscles make a poor match for a lead slug.
The reason is simple: Firearms reduce the power difference between the weak and the strong. They make it harder for the strong to prey upon the weak. Being strong doesn't help much when you're dead.http://www.pages.drexel.edu/~jj832/The_Great_Equalizer.html
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June 26, 2015, 03:11:38 AM |
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I believe that gun control will not work.First, I believe that guns are not weapons, they are tools. How they are used is up to the person holding it. Guns themselves can't do anything it is the person with the gun that decides where the bullet goes.
Well, technically speaking Sir Isaac Newton decides where the bullet goes. The person holding the gun only gets to decide where it's aimed. ![](https://ip.bitcointalk.org/?u=https%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2FbyHvFlt.jpg&t=665&c=wgRYvWnhKnwpdw) So before newton was born... Bullets did not know where to go? Technically speaking of course...
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June 26, 2015, 04:21:14 AM |
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Never any crimes? Sounds like one of those scandinavian socialist paradise. I want to google the crime rate of your country, its size, legal and illegal immigration data and other statistics so I understand your position better. Can the neighbor prove the gun does not belong to him and, maybe, was planted by the dude who called the government on him? Or does he go straight to jail? What is the name of your country? Thank you. ![Smiley](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/smiley.gif) Can you differ a neighborhood with a whole country? I think you have no idea about what is a neighborhood and statistics. Neighborhood is just a small part of a country, and the statistics in a neighborhood won't affect a country statistics.
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June 26, 2015, 06:13:56 AM |
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The most effective way to achieve many of these goals is to teach gun safety to everyone, including age-appropriate training for children. That way when a gun owner fails to do the right thing, those around him are less likely to hurt themselves, and more likely to recognize the unsafe behavior and correct it.
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June 26, 2015, 06:25:10 AM |
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The most effective way to achieve many of these goals is to teach gun safety to everyone, including age-appropriate training for children. That way when a gun owner fails to do the right thing, those around him are less likely to hurt themselves, and more likely to recognize the unsafe behavior and correct it.
I think we don't need to involve children in weapon issue. It's not enough to just teach gun safety to people, the main point is why people need the gun in their home, and also you must need a license to using a gun.
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June 26, 2015, 06:25:50 AM |
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Guns should never be legally allowed, they always hurt.
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June 26, 2015, 06:26:16 AM |
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Guns should never be legally allowed, they always hurt.
Gun is not good for life style
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June 26, 2015, 06:44:56 AM |
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Guns should never be legally allowed, they always hurt.
So you have issues only with legal possession of weapons? What about those criminals who obtain it illegaly? Right now, it is impossible to completely eradicate illegal gun possession. As far as I know, no country has ever achieved this. So, it will not be wise to remove the possession of fire-arms, using legal means.
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June 26, 2015, 09:50:00 AM |
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![](https://ip.bitcointalk.org/?u=https%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2Fq6sJpTH.jpg&t=665&c=-o85YJJl4kokIA) Guns are made for one purpose, and that purpose is to kill. I believe that guns are not weapons, they are tools. How they are used is up to the person holding it. Guns are especially dangerous in the hands of people who don't know how to use them (i.e., kids and teenagers) as well as those who are mentally ill and/or have a temper problem. Gun control will not stop violence because a violent person doesn’t need a gun to be violent. After the Sandy Hook Elementary shooting in Newtown, Connecticut, support for gun control increased dramatically. Generally in America, the support for gun control has outweighed the support for gun rights. Are gun control laws constitutional? What would be your ideal set of laws regarding firearms? I dont think we should have large central authority making decisions on gun control. Some cultures are different and should be left to self regulate - does this mean some people are going to get shot who otherwise wouldn't, yeah it does. You cant save everyone though. Living in the UK its very annoying to not be able to own a gun and protect myself, i dont want threats on the street or threat of burglary. Both threats are minimised if people are carrying guns. Bring on decentralization.
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June 26, 2015, 09:51:33 AM |
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The most effective way to achieve many of these goals is to teach gun safety to everyone, including age-appropriate training for children. That way when a gun owner fails to do the right thing, those around him are less likely to hurt themselves, and more likely to recognize the unsafe behavior and correct it.
I think we don't need to involve children in weapon issue. It's not enough to just teach gun safety to people, the main point is why people need the gun in their home, and also you must need a license to using a gun. No, why would you teach a child to respect a firearm and how it should be treated safely when you can let them be curious and give them motivation to go find one to learn for themselves not fully understanding that a firearm is dangerous and not a toy so when they do come across one they play with it, or let other children do so, thinking it is a game because no one explained it to them in the first place. Good plan. Instead of trying to child proof the world, why don't you world proof your child? Seems like a much safer alternative than the utopian dream of making the world perfectly safe via endless legislation.
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June 26, 2015, 10:15:25 AM |
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I think we don't need to involve children in weapon issue. It's not enough to just teach gun safety to people, the main point is why people need the gun in their home, and also you must need a license to using a gun.
im not agree,they needed and That's good if you teach your kids and all about safe for protect their self
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